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Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Pulits on July 31, 2009, 03:05:47 am
I've been supporting organic food since the trend started. Mainly because I think it is a healthier alternative from modern farming, where pesticides and growth hormones are common place.

The thing is, recently there's evidence of 161 studies claiming that organic food has no real advantage in nutritional value in comparison of traditional farming.
Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8174482.stm

Basically, yes, organic food has a slight advantage over traditional food, but it has no real effects in health at least in therms of nutrient density.

I would still advocate in favor of organic food. Even if there's no real difference in therms of nutrients, there is when talking about hormones, pesticides and genetically modified crops. But that's just me.

Discuss.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Doktormartini on July 31, 2009, 03:09:00 am
key word: nutritional value.

This means I could eat an organic apple and a conventional apple and get the same vitamin C content.  But with the conventional apple my risk of getting cancer is increased.

Quote
they report in their analysis that there are higher levels of beneficial nutrients in organic compared to non-organic foods.

Also not to mention the environmental effects of conventionally grown food to organically grown foods.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: xanque on July 31, 2009, 03:42:57 am
I remember reading something a while back that said if all farms and food supplies in the world were converted to organic, it could sustain a population of 4 billion people.

Sounds great, until you realize Earth has 6.8 billion people.

Doktormartini, could you show me a peer-reviewed study that shows cancer is in any way caused by non-organic apples?
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: ase on July 31, 2009, 03:48:26 am
Quote from: Doktormartini on July 31, 2009, 03:09:00 am
But with the conventional apple my risk of getting cancer is increased.
lol here we go again

yes, eating a normal apple exposes you to a higher risk of mutagens and can eventually lead to uncontrolled growth of cells
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Mince Wobley on July 31, 2009, 03:51:27 am
Quote from: Xanqui on July 31, 2009, 03:42:57 am
I remember reading something a while back that said if all farms and food supplies in the world were converted to organic, it could sustain a population of 4 billion people.

Sounds great, until you realize Earth has 6.8 billion people.

Doktormartini, could you show me a peer-reviewed study that shows cancer is in any way caused by non-organic apples?

The solution to that problem is stacking farms like this (http://www.verticalfarm.com/) or just eating less
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Doktormartini on July 31, 2009, 04:12:01 am
Quote from: Xanqui on July 31, 2009, 03:42:57 am
I remember reading something a while back that said if all farms and food supplies in the world were converted to organic, it could sustain a population of 4 billion people.

Sounds great, until you realize Earth has 6.8 billion people.

Doktormartini, could you show me a peer-reviewed study that shows cancer is in any way caused by non-organic apples?
I never said caused I said it increases your chance
http://www.cancer.gov/newscenter/pressreleases/AgricultureHealthStudy
http://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/news/20090715/pesticides-may-raise-alzheimers-risk
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9498903
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2006-releases/press06262006.html
http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/about/index.htm#balance
http://pesticides.montana.edu/PcideProfiles/carcinogens.htm

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/parathio.html
Better example because Lindane is banned but Parathion isn't.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: something bizarre and impractical on July 31, 2009, 04:16:56 am
ehhh iirc in In Defense of Food, Michael Pollan references a couple studies that demonstrate the nutritional quality of non-organic food has declined over the years, and in some cases greatly. Now, he could just BE WRONG, but I'll keep an open mind to both perspectives right now as this does interest me and is in conflict with a lot of what I've previously read.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Zatham on July 31, 2009, 04:17:14 am
Quote from: Pulits on July 31, 2009, 03:05:47 am
Even if there's no real difference in therms of nutrients, there is when talking about hormones, pesticides and genetically modified crops. But that's just me.Discuss.
Yes this is the shining beacon of higher thinking lacking in the article.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Doktormartini on July 31, 2009, 04:20:58 am
In Defense of Food (and The Omnivore's Dilemma for that matter) are both great books :)
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: crone_lover720 on July 31, 2009, 04:32:47 am
no shit

NON-organic?? I'm better than that shit man, I'm a level 2 consumer
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Rajew on July 31, 2009, 05:24:22 am
Okay so we pay half as much for our apparently carcinogen filled apples. At least we will be able to afford cancer treatment!

Say dok, wouldn't all those artificial nutritional supplements vegans take cause all kinds of problems? I mean they're pills full of artificial man-made stuff. That shit's carcinogenic to the max, ain't it?

Just curious.

EDIT: Also, what about the fact that the USDA will still allow a lot of crap to be labelled as organic, despite still being sprayed with pesticides, etc.?
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Doktormartini on July 31, 2009, 05:30:13 am
Quote from: Rajew on July 31, 2009, 05:24:22 am
Okay so we pay half as much for our apparently carcinogen filled apples. At least we will be able to afford cancer treatment!

Say dok, wouldn't all those artificial nutritional supplements vegans take cause all kinds of problems? I mean they're pills full of artificial man-made stuff. That shit's carcinogenic to the max, ain't it?

Just curious.

EDIT: Also, what about the fact that the USDA will still allow a lot of crap to be labelled as organic, despite still being sprayed with pesticides, etc.?
Not really depends what you take.  I take spirulina and chlorella which are just two types of algaes...they are all natural and everything in them is.  You can take supplements that have ingredients derived from all natural substances such as green superfood powders which are a bunch of vegetables, grains, grasses...etc ground up in a powder.  Or you can take multivitamins with ingredients that may have for example Calcium Carbonate as it's calcium source which calcium carbonate is a natural ingredient found in many things like rocks, animal shells, eggs shells...etc.

What artificial stuff are you talking about?  Multivitamins (or at least the one I used before) was only 'artificial' in that it was a bunch of vitamins/minerals from various sources compacted into a pill.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: WarV on July 31, 2009, 05:32:48 am
Wait I remember a while ago there was a study that showed organic food could cause more health problems, because most organic farmers didn't treat there fertilizer right due to the larger farms required to grow organic.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on July 31, 2009, 05:42:57 am
guys there's been a study published that nikes made by african slave children last just as long as those made by american adults
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Rajew on July 31, 2009, 05:45:01 am
Quote from: Doktormartini on July 31, 2009, 05:30:13 am
Not really depends what you take.  I take spirulina and chlorella which are just two types of algaes...they are all natural and everything in them is.  You can take supplements that have ingredients derived from all natural substances such as green superfood powders which are a bunch of vegetables, grains, grasses...etc ground up in a powder.  Or you can take multivitamins with ingredients that may have for example Calcium Carbonate as it's calcium source which calcium carbonate is a natural ingredient found in many things like rocks, animal shells, eggs shells...etc.

What artificial stuff are you talking about?  Multivitamins (or at least the one I used before) was only 'artificial' in that it was a bunch of vitamins/minerals from various sources compacted into a pill.
Oh, I guess I figured the pills were artificially created vitamins and stuff (what with them being pills! I don't trust them pills.). Perhaps I was wrong...
But what about the USDA? You're being tricked by agricultural businesses into buying an 'organic' apple for 40 dollars when really they're growing them just like the non organic stuff!
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Mince Wobley on July 31, 2009, 05:54:35 am
Quote from: climbtree on July 31, 2009, 05:42:57 am
guys there's been a study published that nikes made by african slave children last just as long as those made by american adults

This probably doesn't happen in the developed world but a lot of people get cancer due to exposure to pesticides (because they're farmers not because they ate an apple) elsewhere in the world
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Doktormartini on July 31, 2009, 05:57:20 am
Quote from: Rajew on July 31, 2009, 05:45:01 am
Oh, I guess I figured the pills were artificially created vitamins and stuff (what with them being pills! I don't trust them pills.). Perhaps I was wrong...
But what about the USDA? You're being tricked by agricultural businesses into buying an 'organic' apple for 40 dollars when really they're growing them just like the non organic stuff!
Sadly this is true, which sucks.  All the more reason to buy locally because you can actually go to the farms and see how they raise the food. 
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Barack Obama on July 31, 2009, 09:00:01 am
Quote from: Mince Wobley on July 31, 2009, 05:54:35 am
This probably doesn't happen in the developed world but a lot of people get cancer due to exposure to pesticides (because they're farmers not because they ate an apple) elsewhere in the world
it does
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Marge on July 31, 2009, 09:03:13 am
Quote from: Doktormartini on July 31, 2009, 05:57:20 am
All the more reason to buy locally because you can actually go to the farms and see how they raise the food. 

Does someone really do that? They buy an apple at the local market or one in the supermarket labeled with "Support local production!". Then they ask the lady selling it where it was raised, take their bike (using a car would ruin the whole thing now wouldn't it?) and cycle 50km to the farm. Now they have to decide if they can trust the farmers word or if they have to keep coming back every saturday for a few weeks to check if they can spot some pesticide or pests. And what about when they get hungry from all the cycling and, already fed up with apples, buy a few carrots. Then to their great horror they hear the carrots were raised on another farm, 50km to the other direction. I don't know about you Dok, but Tour de France is enough for me.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on July 31, 2009, 09:21:51 am
a lot of people go to local farms and orchards because it's really really cheap that way, while you're there you can probably see if they're fertilising their plants with WD40.
new zealand soil has no iodine or a few other important elements so i'm not sure relying entirely on local produce is the best idea for me. i don't get why you dorks are getting worked up over organic food though, this isn't MEAT IS MURDER stuff but no i like my cheese 40% plastic
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Hundley on July 31, 2009, 09:45:30 am
(http://www.yenilikleronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/bk-chicken-fries.jpg)
DO_IT
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Marge on July 31, 2009, 10:25:44 am
I've got absolutely nothing against organic food and if I got more than 500e/month I would probably buy some myself because of the taste. I'm just amused if people actually do shit like frequently go to local farms to inspect how they grow their apples.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Vellfire on July 31, 2009, 12:59:23 pm
Whatever dudes.  Buy from local farmers, that shit's the best regardless.  Don't even know if it's organic or not, doesn't matter, it's still better and doesn't cost retarded whole foods prices.  I give no fucks about the health benefits, the food marketed as organic tend to be HEALTHY FOODS anyway so just eat 'em and stop worrying so much.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Dale Gobbler on July 31, 2009, 02:33:49 pm
If you have a local Amish community just buy your organic foods from there. I went to one and they had multiple 20 pound boxes of tomatoes for $5 each box. cheap
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Vellfire on July 31, 2009, 02:40:41 pm
They are definitely one of the best places to get good fruits and vegetables.  However our closest one is one town over so we normally go to a place about 15 minutes from my house that sells tons of local stuff.  It's an especially good place to get tomatoes, eggs, and peaches.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: crone_lover720 on July 31, 2009, 03:33:19 pm
Quote from: aztec on July 31, 2009, 02:33:49 pm
If you have a local Amish community just buy your organic foods from there. I went to one and they had multiple 20 pound boxes of tomatoes for $5 each box. cheap
my mom always did this until she found out they didn't even grow the food at the place she went to, it's all from farms in new york and new jersey. also they were gm, no one can grow tomatoes that big but people think it's just because they're amish they know how to grow big tomatoes

this is a funny thread
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: big ass skelly on July 31, 2009, 06:24:09 pm
Quote from: Velfarre on July 31, 2009, 12:59:23 pm
Whatever dudes.  Buy from local farmers, that shit's the best regardless.  Don't even know if it's organic or not, doesn't matter, it's still better and doesn't cost retarded whole foods prices.  I give no fucks about the health benefits, the food marketed as organic tend to be HEALTHY FOODS anyway so just eat 'em and stop worrying so much.
Yeah local farmers are the way to go. Once you've had eggs dropped that morning from the chicken's C-word, you'll never be able to eat supermarket eggs without tasting how much shittier they are. Even the SUPER ORGANIC FREE RANGE supermarket eggs taste like papier mache by comparison
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on July 31, 2009, 08:51:01 pm
i don't think you need to censor cloaca
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Barack Obama on August 01, 2009, 12:12:41 am
Quote from: Marge on July 31, 2009, 10:25:44 am
I've got absolutely nothing against organic food and if I got more than 500e/month I would probably buy some myself because of the taste. I'm just amused if people actually do shit like frequently go to local farms to inspect how they grow their apples.
if you ask nicely at some orchards and berry farms they'll let you pick a lot for a modest price. Why is visiting where your food comes from strange? My local co-op regularly has information sheets about the farms/orchards the foods come from and I'm pretty glad they go through all that for the membership.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Beasley on August 01, 2009, 02:31:28 am
dietcoke do you get your foodstuffs at a co-op? if so id like to hear about it! my closest contact with one was this king of the hill episode i watched last week soooo

are they all smelly marxist nutters or what basically
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: crone_lover720 on August 01, 2009, 02:33:51 am
that ep should have turned you away. buy stuff from real farmers it'll actually have a flavor

edit that's a lil harsh on the ol co-ops but I'm serious buy stuff from real farmers if you have any good ones around.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Boulvae on August 01, 2009, 03:36:12 am
Or you could look around for a farmer's market if you live in the city.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: esiann on August 01, 2009, 03:47:34 am
i got 4 pounds of zucchini for a dollar today. there is no way on earth it was organic. i went to a really nice farmer's market in portland that had the world's most beautiful zucchinis and really cheap herbs and flowers as well, and it was pretty lowkey, while the harvard farmer's market has little chef demonstrations which have all been cold vegetable soups so far and really expensive ice cream and chocolate made in somerville from real live raw cacao beans and other wondrous treats that you too can have for slightly more than you are willing to spend.

cacao flowers/pods grow straight off the tree trunk by the way it's very weird and unlikely looking
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Doktormartini on August 01, 2009, 05:02:42 am
http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Organic-nutrition-review-a-call-for-stronger-science
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Vellfire on August 01, 2009, 11:33:24 am
Quote from: Mark on July 31, 2009, 06:24:09 pm
Yeah local farmers are the way to go. Once you've had eggs dropped that morning from the chicken's C-word, you'll never be able to eat supermarket eggs without tasting how much shittier they are. Even the SUPER ORGANIC FREE RANGE supermarket eggs taste like papier mache by comparison

Hells yes.  We just got some eggs from someone the other day.  The nice thing about my dad being a doctor in a rural community is that his patients are always bringing him food, meaning tons of fresh farm stuff in the summer and tons of cakes and baked goods in the winter.  Everyone's always got more produce than they can eat by themselves and so everyone's always giving it away.  It's one of the few great perks of living in this town.

edit: also I know my semi-local amish community grows their own stuff because they live right down the road from their stands and we've driven past their gardens before  :welp:
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: big ass skelly on August 01, 2009, 01:49:22 pm
Everything I know about amish people I learned from a weird al song
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Evangel on August 01, 2009, 02:02:37 pm
Quote from: Velfarre on July 31, 2009, 02:40:41 pm
The nice thing about my dad being a doctor in a rural community is that his patients are always bringing him food,

do you live in depression-era monroeville?

this op is not surprising to me.  anything labelled "organic" today in the U.S. only means it's been held to some arbitrary standards by a company trying to appeal to the smug population.  while i can understand the merits of free range and what-have-you, you might as well just eat your goddamn chicken fry.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: dragonx on August 01, 2009, 04:49:49 pm
Quote from: Doktormartini on August 01, 2009, 05:02:42 am
http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Organic-nutrition-review-a-call-for-stronger-science

when you do this its really infuriating stop posting links to shit if you are arguing for your v..views, do it yourself im not reading some article

post a citation or something, ugh

giving dok a reason to post -_-;
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: crone_lover720 on August 01, 2009, 05:42:27 pm
what are you going to make with the zucchini? you could whip up a batch zucchini alfredo, it will impress your friends by being exotic and tasty and they'll think you're very compassionate and worldly for cooking a vegan dish. you could also slice them into discs and cook them in a soup pan with tomato sauce.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Mama Luigi on August 01, 2009, 07:36:34 pm
I don't understand what the appeal is of inferior organic food. So they don't do any genetic engineering to it either? Is that correct?

So if I want a fruit more insects, and has not been selectively bred to be the best of the best of the crop, AND I want to pay more for it, I should buy organic. Sounds... great! (heh!)
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: jamie on August 01, 2009, 07:51:31 pm
I don't know why but whenever I hear about organic food, I always think of manure. I always think it has been grown in manure, even if the food can't grow like that. Like if they just sprinkle seeds into the magic organic manure, the power of life will take it from there.

I never really cared about organic and non-organic. I shovel whatever shit into my body, anyway. I'm vegetarian, but apart from that I don't care. I don't know about the environmental differences. That is something I should maybe look into, because it if is worth doing then sure I'd switch over to organic only why not.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Doktormartini on August 02, 2009, 01:20:32 am
Quote from: dragonx on August 01, 2009, 04:49:49 pm
when you do this its really infuriating stop posting links to shit if you are arguing for your v..views, do it yourself im not reading some article

post a citation or something, ugh

giving dok a reason to post -_-;
Why?   I would have said almost the same thing in that article anyways.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: crone_lover720 on August 02, 2009, 02:05:28 am
Quote from: Mama Luigi on August 01, 2009, 07:36:34 pm
I don't understand what the appeal is of inferior organic food. So they don't do any genetic engineering to it either? Is that correct?

So if I want a fruit more insects, and has not been selectively bred to be the best of the best of the crop, AND I want to pay more for it, I should buy organic. Sounds... great! (heh!)
I've been making fun of Organic Products so far but I hope you enjoy your pesticides and allergies just cuz you don't wanna understand what genetic engineering is and the tractor that's dressed up like a choo choo only offers rides around the walmart parking lot to paying customers
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Boulvae on August 02, 2009, 02:37:24 am
I don't understand what people's beef with GMOs are, I mean atleast a third of what we consider natural are actually GMOs be definition, like Corn, those things were not naturally that big until our great (as great as can be after discovering agriculture) selectively bred (Selective Breeding is a form of genetic modification) the Corn until it is as we know it today. Natural Corn is actually very, very small and inedible.

I geuss it's because I actually know the history of some foods that we eat that I have absolutely nothing against GMOs, but seriously whats wrong with it? GMOs are feeding the third and second world for crying out loud, Canadian wheat is genetically modified to better withstand the cold even. So what is the problem with GMOs?
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on August 02, 2009, 03:24:55 am
genes from other organisms are inserted so that the plant makes toad juice protein which protects it from lava. selective breeding uses genes from the species and... selects for them.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on August 02, 2009, 04:03:28 am
all I learn about in school is how to gm a food/organism but never any side-effects, hmm. Other than some broad generalizations with pesticides and shit, I actually don't know why genetically modifying a food horrifies so many people. you'd be surprised how much food you eat everyday is and most of it makes sense.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: dragonx on August 02, 2009, 04:40:50 am
Quote from: Doktormartini on August 02, 2009, 01:20:32 am
Why?   I would have said almost the same thing in that article anyways.

because


lol my arguement is just as good as urs


edit: so i dont get warned cuz im scared now :(​:

I've never really enjoyed organic food myself, it tastes not as good to me, especially organic salads, they are so gross and ughhhhh, GENETIC ENGINEERING ALL THE WAY
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Mince Wobley on August 02, 2009, 04:46:56 am
I bet you can't even tell the difference
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Brad on August 02, 2009, 04:56:54 am
Only vegetables I eat to begin with is when they're in soup.

But sweet jesus do I ever love soup... like, to the point where I eat it every day.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on August 02, 2009, 05:09:58 am
people who can't eat vegetables are babies
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: dragonx on August 02, 2009, 05:17:59 am
Quote from: Mince Wobley on August 02, 2009, 04:46:56 am
I bet you can't even tell the difference

tbh i wouldnt know about the fruits but organic salad, i can tell the difference thank you!
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Brad on August 02, 2009, 05:23:01 am
Quote from: FlowerPower on August 02, 2009, 05:09:58 am
people who can't eat vegetables are babies

Or perhaps we are the men
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Mince Wobley on August 02, 2009, 05:25:34 am
Quote from: Brad on August 02, 2009, 05:23:01 am
Or perhaps we are the men

No, literally, babies can't eat vegetables

Dragonx: prove that in a double blind test
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: dragonx on August 02, 2009, 05:28:40 am
Quote from: Mince Wobley on August 02, 2009, 05:25:34 am
No, literally, babies can't eat vegetables

Dragonx: prove that in a double blind test

sure set one up for me
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Brad on August 02, 2009, 05:33:12 am
babies that can't eat people are vegetables
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on August 02, 2009, 08:53:33 am
i discovered recently the wonder of blenders to transform disgusting vegetables into delicious vegetable mash. mashed beens, mashed cauliflower leaves, mashed cauliflower.
i'm really keen to try roast potatoes with mashed beef though.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: fatty on August 02, 2009, 11:48:41 am
Fuck organic food, I eat rocks.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Marge on August 02, 2009, 11:53:49 am
Quote from: DietCoke on August 01, 2009, 12:12:41 am
if you ask nicely at some orchards and berry farms they'll let you pick a lot for a modest price. Why is visiting where your food comes from strange?

I get going to some local orchard twice a summer to pick litres of berries for the winter, but being aware of the origins of every egg, potato, apple, carrot and onion you buy and having actually seen first hand how they're raised sounds like an ridiculous amount of effort.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Vellfire on August 02, 2009, 12:45:15 pm
Quote from: Evangel on August 01, 2009, 02:02:37 pm
do you live in depression-era monroeville?

no but most of his patients are elderly so THAT'S THEIR LIFESTYLE i guess

he has one patient that's allergic to eggs and has been her whole life but she really likes baking and so she makes cakes for everybody even though she's never tasted one

Quote
I get going to some local orchard twice a summer to pick litres of berries for the winter, but being aware of the origins of every egg, potato, apple, carrot and onion you buy and having actually seen first hand how they're raised sounds like an ridiculous amount of effort.

I agree with this, you can't really track down ALL OF YOUR FOOD (at least not and have time to eat!), but it is nice knowing where some of it comes from.  I like knowing that the produce I'm eating came from so-and-so's yard down the street.  But, if it's not the right season and I have to just go get it from the supermarket, then whatever, that's life.  Sometimes you just gotta eat what you have.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: ATARI on August 02, 2009, 03:47:02 pm
i pretty much don't give a shit where the fruits/veggies i'm eating came from but maybe that is just me
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Boulvae on August 02, 2009, 04:18:20 pm
I don't care either, I just want to be assured that what I am reading on the label is true (nutrition label) and the ingredients used too.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: The One on August 02, 2009, 07:15:21 pm
this is why i only eat junkfood
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: dark_crystalis on August 02, 2009, 08:51:09 pm
Quote from: The One on August 02, 2009, 07:15:21 pm
this is why i only eat junkfood
Can you please make good posts for once?

I personally don't really check if its organic or not, I check mostly for freshness and nutritional facts. But I'll generally try to buy veggies from around here to support local farmers etc.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Rye Bread on August 02, 2009, 09:33:58 pm
I eat nothing but potatoes anyway and I'm far too poor to buy organic foods.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Barack Obama on August 02, 2009, 11:12:36 pm
Quote from: FlowerPower on August 02, 2009, 05:09:58 am
people who can't eat vegetables are babies
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Barack Obama on August 02, 2009, 11:21:00 pm
Quote from: Beasley on August 01, 2009, 02:31:28 am
dietcoke do you get your foodstuffs at a co-op? if so id like to hear about it! my closest contact with one was this king of the hill episode i watched last week soooo

are they all smelly marxist nutters or what basically
co-op or farmers markets. I'll hit some of the chains if I'm lazy though.

the facilities and foods at the co-op are actually cleaner than anywhere else I've shopped for food at. The snow/snap peas are never mushy, no wax on the cucumbers, never seen a rotten piece of fruit, etc. Plus they pay the people working there enough to care.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: jamie on August 02, 2009, 11:23:41 pm
What is the deal with a co-op in America? In the UK co-op is just another supermarket chain, best I can tell. It's got more vegetarian and organic stuff, but it's still just a chain.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Barack Obama on August 02, 2009, 11:26:01 pm
http://www.olympiafood.coop/mission.html here's the site of the one in my ol' hometown
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: jamie on August 02, 2009, 11:29:37 pm
sounds like an all right place to work
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: The One on August 02, 2009, 11:31:53 pm
Quote from: jamie on August 02, 2009, 11:23:41 pm
What is the deal with a co-op in America? In the UK co-op is just another supermarket chain, best I can tell. It's got more vegetarian and organic stuff, but it's still just a chain.

i think what you mean is this http://www.supermarktdrenth.nl/coop_noordbroek.jpg

it's a chain in holland and belgium too, and, i guess, in the rest of europe. actually my sister works there
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Doktormartini on August 03, 2009, 01:41:52 am
Quote from: Mince Wobley on August 02, 2009, 04:46:56 am
I bet you can't even tell the difference
I can.  I can taste the wax on conventional cucumbers vs. organic ones.

Quote from: Velfarre on August 02, 2009, 12:45:15 pm
he has one patient that's allergic to eggs and has been her whole life but she really likes baking and so she makes cakes for everybody even though she's never tasted one
You can make cakes without eggs but I do this too at work I'll make things that I don't eat.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Vellfire on August 03, 2009, 01:59:54 am
Quote from: Doktormartini on August 03, 2009, 01:41:52 am
You can make cakes without eggs

Yeah I know and I'm sure she does too.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: big ass skelly on August 03, 2009, 11:56:03 pm
Cakes without eggs? get outta town
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Vellfire on August 04, 2009, 01:06:06 am
a cake without eggs isn't a cake at all
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Doktormartini on August 04, 2009, 02:53:12 am
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gojVCT1jBhMitQovIkW5fEup2E1Q

not about food but still about pesticides
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Ryan on August 04, 2009, 02:56:25 am
Quote from: DietCoke on August 02, 2009, 11:26:01 pm
http://www.olympiafood.coop/mission.html here's the site of the one in my ol' hometown

washington sounds like a great place to live. i've always wanted to live in seattle or tacoma or somewhere.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Doktormartini on August 04, 2009, 03:12:05 am
I went to visit a friend who lived in Puyallup which is right next to Tacoma and like 30 min. from Seattle.  It was sweet other than it rained pretty much the whole week I was there.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: jamie on August 04, 2009, 03:16:08 am
Quote from: Ryan on August 04, 2009, 02:56:25 am
washington sounds like a great place to live. i've always wanted to live in seattle or tacoma or somewhere.

yeah.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Vellfire on August 04, 2009, 11:37:33 am
Quote from: Doktormartini on August 04, 2009, 02:53:12 am
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gojVCT1jBhMitQovIkW5fEup2E1Q

not about food but still about pesticides

a) "We shouldn't assume that pesticides caused these cancers, but our findings certainly support the need for more robust research in this area"
b) big difference between using pesticides in your home and having them used on farms
c)  why am i even trying
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Doktormartini on August 05, 2009, 01:41:13 am
I know...
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Rajew on August 05, 2009, 02:21:16 am
Also on pesticides:
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/Fall02/Mosquitoes.html
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Mince Wobley on August 05, 2009, 02:47:56 am
Quote from: Rajew on August 05, 2009, 02:21:16 am
Also on pesticides:
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/Fall02/Mosquitoes.html

Bats will cause less cancer than DDT

And there are DDT resistant mosquitoes, DDT will kill the normal ones and the next ones will be invincible to DDT
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Barack Obama on August 05, 2009, 06:58:49 am
Quote from: Ryan on August 04, 2009, 02:56:25 am
washington sounds like a great place to live. i've always wanted to live in seattle or tacoma or somewhere.
tacoma is fucking terrible and smells like shit

downtown is alright if you can get over the smell of the mills but once you venture far from there the place is basically a giant strip mall and halfassed sprawl.


seattle kicks ass and is probably one of the nicest cities to live in the US.......... until the inevitable wave of californians fleeing their sinking ship decide to migrate up here and ruin it.
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: Barack Obama on August 05, 2009, 07:00:41 am
Title: Organic food 'has no health benefits'
Post by: NarutoAngel221 on August 18, 2009, 01:06:12 pm
I though that organic food is healthy because they have no pesticides ?? I have tried some organic foods I think it taste good rather than food contains pesticide