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Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: alexross7 on September 22, 2009, 09:18:22 pm
Honestly , I have played bible adventures for nes , and it completely sucked .

Is there any way I can make a great bible game without it sucking?
an rpg perhaps?
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: JMickle on September 22, 2009, 09:23:09 pm
games dont suck because they are about the bible, dude. games suck because there made badly. if you can make good games, making a good bible game shouldn't be any different.
you may as well be asking ''how do i make a good game'' and people have been asking that for ever.
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Post by: lil_Vivi on September 22, 2009, 09:25:16 pm
Jesus, Moses, and Mary in an rpg... Omg epic...

Jesus could turn monsters into wine!
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: alexross7 on September 22, 2009, 09:33:26 pm
LOL..

I made an ark chipset..

I might fit some bible stories into a single game.
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: Lackeos on September 22, 2009, 10:29:40 pm
Make it like The Last Temptation of Christ + Dogma + Year One, with a little Stigmata thrown in.

Make sure the gameplay, graphics, and soundtrack are freakin' sweet.
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Post by: Craze /!\ on September 22, 2009, 10:32:37 pm
Check out the Xenosaga series.
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: Vellfire on September 23, 2009, 12:38:41 am
oh god yes i knew if i prayed hard enough alexross7 would come back to gw
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Post by: alexross7 on September 23, 2009, 12:44:08 am
Yea well...   Real life sucked hard.

I needed some space from all of these things called "people" , so I came back to GW.

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Post by: Vellfire on September 23, 2009, 12:47:16 am
Don't ever leave us again alexross7.  I want to see you finish your bible game so I can play it.
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: alexross7 on September 23, 2009, 01:01:32 am
Ok.    I am making the ark..  It's awesome.

We will see how it goes from there.
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Post by: Sludgelord on September 23, 2009, 01:54:56 am
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(http://pub.gamingw.net/37686/destroy%20god.png)
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Post by: EvilDemonCreature on September 23, 2009, 02:02:03 am
Step 1: Have an idea for a Biblical game
Step 2: Act on those impulses.
Step 3: ?????????
Step 4: Success!

Because it's a rarely touched field, you are bound to win going forward with nothing more than this plan to guide you.
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: Allen Hunter on September 23, 2009, 03:31:12 am
Will we have talking snakes and donkeys? :)
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Post by: Killer Wolf on September 23, 2009, 04:18:47 am
Be aware that you are selecting a very polarizing source material. What is your target audience, or is this just for your own edification? Most "average" people are "too cool/rational/whatever" for religion which would make a game based on the bible into a passing curiosity, at best. What is the point of the game, just to tell biblical stories? You could tell "biblical" stories without having to have a John, Paul, Luke, or Mathew.

Think about Superman, or really almost any superhero. From Gilgamesh to Heracles, Samson to Superman, you have exceptional people (on more then one occasion the offspring of a god or goddess) who perform impossible feats.

Is there a message behind your game, or is it simply "Bible stories rock!"

Even among people who would be legitimately interested in a Biblical themed game, your audience would invariably narrow. What are you making this game in? An illegally distributed/translated program? Are you going to stick, verbatim, to the source material?

Even if you stick to the material as closely as possible, which version are you sticking too? There are many versions and expunged books.

I remember your topic about "a Bible game for everyone" from a while ago, and honestly I took it for a simple troll when I first saw it.

There may be some small percent out their to whom the idea truly appeals too, and it may even have some relevance as a teaching tool - but I just don't see it.

I'm reminded of protests from the Christian church a few years back about some play that would portray the Christ cycle as applied to modern day. Their version of Christ happened to be a homosexual teenager. The Church was not happy with that, big surprise. I could see the writer's rationale. They were trying to bring the situation of a Jewish slave who was tortured and suffered for all of mankind's sins to the modern day, and the only way they could make him a big enough outcast was the gay angle. (Tangent - the same thing was done with an adaptation of Lovecraft's Shadow Over Insmouth. The main character was written as gay to make the return/arrival at a small -likely close minded- town as dread filled an experience as possible, even before the Cult gets into the picture.)

Good luck with the game, at any rate. If some of the responses you've garnered thus far (counting the other topic as well) are any indication, you're going to need it.
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Post by: Vellfire on September 23, 2009, 12:08:37 pm
The message behind his game is that it is going to be the best game ever and I can't wait.
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Post by: Nessiah on September 23, 2009, 12:14:51 pm
Will it include incest between father and daughter?

I was just kidding but maybe making one from the proverbs will work  :shady:
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: Mince Wobley on September 23, 2009, 01:46:36 pm
Will it include incest between father and daughter?

I was just kidding but maybe making one from the proverbs will work  :shady:

What a weird fetish nessiah.....


I'd check the diary of anne frank shareware to see how you can make a game out of any book
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Post by: alfungo on September 23, 2009, 01:54:10 pm
There is so much potential in this idea.. It would be nice to see a collection of short games based on various old testament stories. David and Goliath, The Exodus, The Ark etc... You could even go for The Passion2k3.. I dunno.
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Post by: Terrorantula on September 23, 2009, 02:55:50 pm
I think NEssiah was referring to Lot and his daughters.  HRm- *tries to think about how one could play the angels that came to Sodom*

Maybe you could do something with nephilim?
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Post by: Vey on September 23, 2009, 04:15:23 pm
How about making it seem like the game has a fundementally christian message, and in the end you do something taboo and those who stuck with it til the end (obviously only true believers) will get really pissed! :D
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: bonzi_buddy on September 23, 2009, 05:33:39 pm
hi5 alexross7. glad to see you're back!  :) don't abandon us again, pal.
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: Allen Hunter on September 23, 2009, 06:37:52 pm
Dear alexross7,

I have never been so offended to see you wanting to make a game about the Holy Bible for the Christian religion. My great Allah sent me here to tell you that if you continue working on this game, he shall amputate your dick and balls, and you will have AIDS all your miserable life. Surely, what disgrace to make a game for those Christians! The Koran is the ONLY Bible out there that speaks the true word of God. Mohammad should be the playable character, as he comes and tells great, indestructable truths to the sinners looking to be saved.

Salaam. (Peace be unto you),
ألين الصياد
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: alexross7 on September 23, 2009, 06:55:06 pm
Allen Hunter , it was a reptile with arms and legs , which was also probably bipedal , so it isn't a snake.

What gameplay mechanics will be involved?
Battle animals to help Noah get animals onto the Ark?
Keep Jesus from being assassinated before his death on the cross?

Has anyone played "Sunset over Imdahl"?
You get through the game by figuring out clues.
And honestly , it was the best rpg game I have ever played.
Perhaps I could do something similar with a great bible story.

And maybe I could add economy , considering that economic issues were a great deal back then.
A time system might be left out , because it would be frustrating to have to do something in a certain matter of days.
Banks are definitely , a must.


Allen Hunter , yes I am making a game about the bible .
Do you have a problem with that?
More than 20 times , Jesus says that he is God.
I am just making a game about what is historically accurate.
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Post by: Hundley on September 23, 2009, 07:05:54 pm
it doesn't matter how you approach it as long as you have this passage (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+23%3A20&version=NIV) in there
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: Allen Hunter on September 23, 2009, 07:09:25 pm
So their cocks were the size of a donkey's?
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Post by: Vellfire on September 23, 2009, 07:56:43 pm
We get it Allen Hunter, you are fascinated by male genitals, now stop discouraging alexross7 from making his masterpiece.
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: goldenratio on September 23, 2009, 08:04:03 pm
jesus has a gunblade
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Post by: Mince Wobley on September 23, 2009, 08:07:23 pm
I think NEssiah was referring to Lot and his daughters. 

That would make a nice dating sim game and because of the incestuous nature it would soon get a wikipedia article and lots of publicity etc
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: SegNin on September 23, 2009, 11:20:51 pm
Somebody else had the same idea (http://www.kolobkreations.com/ThePromisedLand.html)
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: Nessiah on September 23, 2009, 11:25:48 pm
I think NEssiah was referring to Lot and his daughters.  HRm- *tries to think about how one could play the angels that came to Sodom*

Maybe you could do something with nephilim?

*cough* yeah the old testament has a lot of those I believe.
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: Vellfire on September 23, 2009, 11:34:26 pm
Somebody else had the same idea (http://www.kolobkreations.com/ThePromisedLand.html)

you mean basing things off the bible has been done before?
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: alexross7 on September 23, 2009, 11:42:22 pm
It's based off of the book of Mormon  :( .

I'm basing my game on the Hebrew Bible or the Christian new testament.
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: Allen Hunter on September 23, 2009, 11:52:34 pm
Allah is not pleased to see this thread.
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: Hundley on September 24, 2009, 03:33:35 am
i think you should make a game about scientology
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: Hundley on September 24, 2009, 03:33:59 am
correction, i DEMAND you make a game about scientology  :fogetangry:
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Post by: Mikemc on September 24, 2009, 04:37:56 am
Base the story around Genesis and then have Genesis as the soundtrack :rockout:
Yes, that was all I had to say.
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: alexross7 on September 24, 2009, 11:04:29 am
correction, i DEMAND you make a game about scientology  :fogetangry:

Sorry...   I am not a big fan of science fiction games. Aliens and stuff makes me feel sick , because of that damn movie I watched with my brother , and it had an alien playing Tug of war with a guy's intestines.
 :blarg:
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Post by: Corfaisus on September 24, 2009, 03:10:09 pm
Do you still have a youtube account with your system display videos, like the one that you showed off your bank system?
Also, that sounds like one hell of a funny movie.
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: alexross7 on September 24, 2009, 05:36:12 pm
yea.
Then I quit Gaming world because of certain personal problems.
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: tuxedo marx on September 24, 2009, 05:45:05 pm
i want to pick old testament :(

i'm not sure how successful noah's ark would be as a game unless it was puzzle game or something but an rpg about retrieving the ark of the covenant (oh hell there are three biblical arks) from the philistines might be interesting. w/e pick the most interesting bible stories
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Post by: Frisky SKeleton on September 24, 2009, 07:15:44 pm
what's the third one? ark the harold?
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Post by: tuxedo marx on September 24, 2009, 08:29:54 pm
moses's babby basket
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Post by: Mateui on September 24, 2009, 08:32:47 pm
I wouldn't make a biblical game persay, but I would use biblical allusions in a RPG literary setting. It's likely to make a larger impact that way, otherwise the game is going to come off as humour... But maybe that's what you're going for...
Title: How would I go about making a biblical game?
Post by: alexross7 on September 25, 2009, 09:19:03 pm
What do you mean?

Like paralleling Bible stories with real life events?
Or having moments in a game where it makes connections with biblical themes (Little timmy goes to Israel to find God but battles evil Jewish ninjas that have stars of david , instead of normal ninja stars)?
Or maybe something about a church?

I  was  thinking about making a game that inspired , taught , and was fun , yet is also based on the events of the bible.
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Post by: Lackeos on September 26, 2009, 02:35:05 am
Has anyone played "Sunset over Imdahl"?
You get through the game by figuring out clues.
And honestly , it was the best rpg game I have ever played.
Perhaps I could do something similar with a great bible story.

I've played that.  The spelling, grammar, etc. were God awful.  Yeah, that game is roughly what you could be aiming for.
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Post by: im_so_tired on September 26, 2009, 02:47:18 am
hey man this is definitely not the first time you've suggested this. what stopped you from making it several months ago?
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Post by: goldenratio on September 26, 2009, 02:55:31 am
ice burn from lackeos *hi5*
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Post by: oc_gunslinger on September 26, 2009, 03:42:39 am
More than 20 times , Jesus says that he is God.
I am just making a game about what is historically accurate.

I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.I am God.

Let there be light.
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Post by: Corfaisus on September 26, 2009, 04:54:18 am
I could have sworn Jesus never claimed to be God, as that would be blasphemy. And besides, I have a hard time believing that God would just decide to make Himself mortal, do a few miracles and preach to His followers, and then have Himself killed... You can't -kill- a deity.
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Post by: Killer Wolf on September 26, 2009, 07:55:02 am
Jewish ninjas that have stars of david , instead of normal ninja stars)?

That is pretty spot on...according to the internet. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jew-Jitsu)

I think what Mateui was suggesting was something along the lines of using biblical themes, but in a different context, so that the story would be original and might be able to appeal to more people. I don't know if people will, at the end of your game, go "oh, this was a Christian allegory, wow, I learned something new" or not, but if they don't even get past the title screen because it beats them over the head with something they might be averse to,  you might be turning away a significant portion of your audience.


By the way, flaws aside, I also enjoyed Sunset over Imdahl.
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Post by: Allen Hunter on September 26, 2009, 08:31:04 pm
I hope Richard Dawkins slams this awful game.
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Post by: Mr.Nemo on September 27, 2009, 12:00:05 am
Base the story around Genesis and then have Genesis as the soundtrack :rockout:
Yes, that was all I had to say.

selling jesus by the pound oh yeah
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Post by: Doktormartini on September 27, 2009, 03:21:19 am
A time system might be left out , because it would be frustrating to have to do something in a certain matter of days.
40 days and nights to get through a desert.
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Post by: alexross7 on September 28, 2009, 04:08:20 am
hey man this is definitely not the first time you've suggested this. what stopped you from making it several months ago?

Suggesting it is different from asking how to make it.


I could have sworn Jesus never claimed to be God, as that would be blasphemy. And besides, I have a hard time believing that God would just decide to make Himself mortal, do a few miracles and preach to His followers, and then have Himself killed... You can't -kill- a deity.

It's not blasphemy to say that you are God. It's blasphemy if you are lying about it.
He most certainly does say he is God.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Islamic%20Muslim/sonofgod.htm

It's hard to copy and paste everything on the site. Im using a snes controller as a mouse , with smart joy and joy-key , because my mouse broke.

If you raped a 13 year old , would the judge let you go if you said "Judge , I am Sawwy"?
If God is a good judge , he wouldn't let you go for saying "sorry" .
He gave us a lawyer , Jesus Christ , who took our sins into his responsibility.

If God is ALL knowing , All Loving , All powerful , and All righteous , then Jesus makes perfect sense.



I hope Richard Dawkins slams this awful game.

You mean the famous biologist that believes aliens seeded life on Earth, only because someone proved to him that 1/100,000^1,000,000,000,000 is the chance of non-living matter to turn into cells?


When I wrote this thread , I knew religious or anti religious posts will be posted , but I didn't want that.
If you want to debate religion , read the bible.
If you want to debate atheism , read "The God delusion"
But if you want to discuss games or game making , then don't bring those debates here.
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Post by: kcrazy58 on October 01, 2009, 06:50:17 pm
I would explore Cain's journey after the murder of Abel.
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Post by: Vellfire on October 01, 2009, 09:02:23 pm
Quote
If you want to debate religion , read the bible.
If you want to debate atheism , read "The God delusion"
But if you want to discuss games or game making , then don't bring those debates here.

finer words have never been said
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Post by: SegNin on October 02, 2009, 12:41:24 pm
It's based off of the book of Mormon  :( .

I'm basing my game on the Hebrew Bible or the Christian new testament.

Well now I've found one that is based on the Bible, on the book of Galatians to be specific:
http://www.exodus-studio.com/modules/oledrion/product.php?product_id=15

I don't know if you can learn or glean anything from it, but it might be worth checking it out.

I don't think there are any other Bible-based RPG Maker games besides that one.
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Post by: Silhouette on October 13, 2009, 02:50:10 pm
There are pretty awesome war stories in the Old Testament. I would suggest one of those, perhaps. :)
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Post by: Frisky SKeleton on October 16, 2009, 06:05:11 am
40 days and nights to get through a desert.

the exodus was 40 years
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Post by: Terrorantula on October 16, 2009, 06:36:35 am
Why not base your game off the Old AND new Testaments and the Koran, and have a Rashomon Effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashomon_effect) in play- that is, each character's perspective on things is different? Maybe Abraham,. Jesus and Mohammad have to work tougher to stop the Devil, and their disparate religious views and squabble are part of the plot... then you could base the game on the Book of Revelation...
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Post by: Vellfire on October 17, 2009, 12:25:42 am
Can Abraham, Jesus and Mohammad be angsty teens with too many zippers and belts too?

Also spiky hair.
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Post by: im_so_tired on October 19, 2009, 02:14:25 am
alexross...? hello? god????? are you there??????
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Post by: Terrorantula on November 06, 2009, 04:10:44 am
Can Abraham, Jesus and Mohammad be angsty teens with too many zippers and belts too?

Also spiky hair.
:laugh:
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Post by: Kardin on November 06, 2009, 11:41:01 pm
Dude, you're venturing into some dangerous territory making a game about the bible. I don't mean in terms of people getting mad, which of course some fantatics might, but this is the internet. More, you have to make sure that what you're doing is in the spirit of the bible in one way or another. For example, I'd argue that an RPG about Jesus would inherently suck because the RPG genre has absolutely nothing to do with the New Testament. Sure, you could give all the disciples different spells and skills etc etc and make a cool party system - but then there's the problem of Jesus: He doesn't fight. I mean, he gets mad, knocks over a couple money changer carts and what have you, but on the whole a game in which a basic mechanic is battle, Jesus would be completely out of place as a lead role. I mean, he drives away the devil by quoting the Old Testament - not to mention the fact that if you're adapting the bible's story, you've got four gospels all telling you different versions of Jesus and leaving you going fhsdgfhydsfsd WHICH ONE IS REAL?? And I mean, if you're going for John's Jesus, he can do just about anything.
So, unless you've got another genre in mind, the New Testament is out right off the bat.

Now Moses, he'd probably kill a dude or two.
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Post by: Mikemc on November 09, 2009, 06:33:51 am
ACTUALLY... Jesus can win battles by avoiding confrontation! He learns Speachcraft and Merchantile abilities and gains experience through understanding and showing the light path to his objectors. And what is a fireball spell if not mere WORDS spoken from a BOOK eh? As for which story to follow, simply have different endings with choices from those books as player-choosables!

Jesus! This man has been caught steeling bread to feed his family What dos thou commandeth uf us?
A: Let he without sin cast the first stone
B: Do unto others as you would have them do to you
C: (something about feeding your loved ones)
D: Cast thy decrepid soul into the firely depths of Hadies, DEMON!!!

*edit: haha, give Jesus an alignment meter and at the end the player finds out how today's society has ended up with each ending.
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Post by: MISTER BIG T on November 09, 2009, 07:11:35 am
Bible has great material for a rpg actually. There's murder, prosecution, wars, people being lynched and body parts removed, etc. There's tons of detailed tales of sex as well, including incestual rape pregnancies and even underage incest pregnancies when three sisters keep raping their drunken father. It just seems that almost all bible games seem to ignore all this and have it play out like a hippie journey where everyone sits around in all happiness. Those heretics.
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Post by: Allen Hunter on November 09, 2009, 07:17:06 am
not to mention atleast flat rm2k3 earth world maps make more sense to include biblical stories
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Post by: MISTER BIG T on November 09, 2009, 07:23:38 am
Dude, you're venturing into some dangerous territory making a game about the bible. I don't mean in terms of people getting mad, which of course some fantatics might, but this is the internet. More, you have to make sure that what you're doing is in the spirit of the bible in one way or another. For example, I'd argue that an RPG about Jesus would inherently suck because the RPG genre has absolutely nothing to do with the New Testament. Sure, you could give all the disciples different spells and skills etc etc and make a cool party system - but then there's the problem of Jesus: He doesn't fight. I mean, he gets mad, knocks over a couple money changer carts and what have you, but on the whole a game in which a basic mechanic is battle, Jesus would be completely out of place as a lead role. I mean, he drives away the devil by quoting the Old Testament - not to mention the fact that if you're adapting the bible's story, you've got four gospels all telling you different versions of Jesus and leaving you going fhsdgfhydsfsd WHICH ONE IS REAL?? And I mean, if you're going for John's Jesus, he can do just about anything.
So, unless you've got another genre in mind, the New Testament is out right off the bat.

Now Moses, he'd probably kill a dude or two.

But a game about Jesus doesn't have to star Jesus. You could just as well go to before he was a newborn and every infant were ordered to be slaughtered to kill Jesus and see the game through a family that tries to escape this order, much as Josef and Mariah did.
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Post by: Kardin on November 10, 2009, 01:51:44 am
But a game about Jesus doesn't have to star Jesus. You could just as well go to before he was a newborn and every infant were ordered to be slaughtered to kill Jesus and see the game through a family that tries to escape this order, much as Josef and Mariah did.
Actually, that's a really interesting concept.

Well done, sir.
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Post by: Allen Hunter on November 10, 2009, 02:50:32 am
Why are we still posting here? Alex got banned like a month ago or something.
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Post by: Terrorantula on November 10, 2009, 06:03:37 am
Why not?
Actally one of my game ideas suggested that Jesus was only one of the trial balloons sent to the human race and one of the characters here was the next attempt. However he was a warlike  man whose job was to destroy  the source of evil.
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Post by: Vellfire on November 10, 2009, 01:12:59 pm
Why are we still posting here? Alex got banned like a month ago or something.

He lives on forever in our hearts, sir.