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Creativity => Game Design & Demos => Topic started by: james_the_composer on October 29, 2009, 12:28:04 am
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Will Gamingw ever be getting an RPG Maker Game Database (like it had as it's main theme not just 3 years ago)?
RPG Maker games are alive and well, they just need the right kind of place to promote their stuff. Unless RPGmaker.net has basically taken over as the new Gamingw and Gamingw is now dedicated only to indie games (as in re-makes of bejeweled, pong, and pinball).
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RPG Maker games are alive and well
are they really? :/
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are they really? :/
You have reason they're not? Just look at this board :\
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I do not understand why you would want a database specifically made up of RPG Maker games. Especially after saying that one already exists.
You have reason they're not? Just look at this board :\
I think you kind of tripped yourself up there.
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there used to be a website called rpgmaker database. then it died. it had a pretty small community that's moved on to the alastrian lampoons and nobody really gives a rat's ass about rpgmaker there. maybe it's a symbolic representation of actual rpgmaker game databases???????
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Awww come on, you mean you don't want to hear about the bejeweled clones for the iphone? I think people have made it clear there will be no attempt to make an rm game database. According to the people that don't make rpg maker games anymore, nobody makes rpgmaker games.
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RPG Maker is dead. Move on. Sorry, but I understand the pain.
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www.rpgmaker.net
this is established. There is no reason for GW to attempt this when it is already done.
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indie games (as in re-makes of bejeweled, pong, and pinball).
OH,
FUCK YOU
edited for impact
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fuck i didn't even realize that at first, seriously DO FUCK YOU.
indie games have never been so diverse and interesting, unlike rpgmaker games where the vast majority of them are just LEGEND OF JRPGS CHAPTER 1: REVENGE OF SECRET OF MANA RIPS
do you even read the mainpage? fuck i usually don't but i still know from when i have that the games put up there are really impressive. on the other hand i also read the gamemaking forums and have not seen rpgmaker games posted here that i could say the same about. rpgmaker games are almost always awful and the few good ones do not make up for the number of ones that are so bad. after all, "Just look at this board :\"
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The old gw forums were rpg maker centered and they no longer are, and now the forums have indiegames they feel watered down. Fuck indie games, there are a ton of other gamedev and indie sites. Try acidplay for example, tons of freeware indie games (www.acid-play.com).
GW is half the site it used to be, but thats the way it is, so it's either deal with it or go somewhere else.
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LEGEND OF JRPGS CHAPTER 1: REVENGE OF SECRET OF MANA RIPS
out now on nintendo DS (http://www.graffitientertainment.com/index.php/games/black-sigil)
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rpgmaker games are almost always awful and the few good ones do not make up for the number of ones that are so bad. after all, "Just look at this board :\"
That's the same with indie games and indie movies, but I would say that the good ones completely make up for the bad ones.
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There are a lot of indie games which are just platformer with weird gimmick that tells you how to finish the game, I think james_the_composer mistook them for casual games which are mostly clones of bejeweled and are also indie games because the creators didn't receive any extra funding from a big corporation
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That's the same with indie games and indie movies, but I would say that the good ones completely make up for the bad ones.
difference is i wouldnt' say the same about rpgmaker games
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It's the same thing right now
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Why are there so few speciality shops for bikes with permanent training wheels? I am enraged!
These are the greatest bikes of our times.
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difference is i wouldnt' say the same about rpgmaker games
I still believe that most would agree that there are some solid rpg maker games out there, and they are still in development and being released right now. It's personal creative self-expression. Like writing a story. It's artwork. Rm2k3 was only 6 years ago and can tell some pretty good stories.
Bejeweled remakes I would think are hardly close to creative self-expression.
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I haven't seen bejeweled remakes since like forever but I do know that indie games today are amazing, I mean look at Machinarium or Cube Colossus <_<; You must be just looking at the wrong places, have you tried tigsource or gamejolt? Anyway, Rpgmaker.net has a wide database of rpgmaker games and it's constantly getting updated so your best bet is over there.
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I still believe that most would agree that there are some solid rpg maker games out there, and they are still in development and being released right now. It's personal creative self-expression. Like writing a story. It's artwork. Rm2k3 was only 6 years ago and can tell some pretty good stories.
Bejeweled remakes I would think are hardly close to creative self-expression.
tbh i have NVER seen a bejewelled remake, and you don't know the difference between casual games and indie games. your really treading on shit you dont know anything about so i don't even know why you brought it up.
rpg maker is just getting more and more out of date, if you want to tell a story, write a book. different engines (like game maker and MMF) are the main choices for creating games nowadays and I see no reason why not. every new version of these programs brings new features that keep it (relatively) up to date, without the need to shell out $1500 for Unity Pro or something. Everey new version of RPG maker (if there will ever be another) just updates the resolution. whoopdeedoo.
next time you are about to bash on something you know nothing about, THINK TWICE.
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Gamingw is now dedicated only to indie games (as in re-makes of bejeweled, pong, and pinball).
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tbh i have NVER seen a bejewelled remake
Off the top of my head I can think of Puzzle Quest 1 and also Jungle Jewels.
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Off the top of my head I can think of Puzzle Quest 1 and also Jungle Jewels.
are you real
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lolrpgsaregaytheyallsuck
(as in re-makes of bejeweled, pong, and pinball).
FUUUUUUUUUUUU...
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I still believe that most would agree that there are some solid rpg maker games out there, and they are still in development and being released right now. It's personal creative self-expression. Like writing a story. It's artwork. Rm2k3 was only 6 years ago and can tell some pretty good stories.
Bejeweled remakes I would think are hardly close to creative self-expression.
:fogetgasp: :fogetgasp: :fogetgasp:
rpgmaker is artwork..... rpgmaker is artwork
What the fuck is wrong with you.
Hey look, I made a movie with The Movies, I'm a movie maker :3
Are you seriously implying that fucking games like : Lingering Forsaken, Lucid Awakening, Dhux's Scar , Tales from Zilmurik, (good job on the "imaginative" naming guys) are better than Machinarium, Spelunky, Runman, Time Fcuk (neither being some bejeweled clones).
When people are using a program that are limiting their freedom to create novel gameplay, created a community of leeches that suck up the materials of last decade's games and offer a very limited liberty of programming, I don't call this a tool for expressive artwork. And what the hell is a good story to you ? The ones featured in most jrpgs with androgynous angsty teenage boys waving sword to "save the world" from "an ancient evil" and falling in love with the party's healer.
Jrpgs never had good interactive storytelling, they are a dying genre.
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Hey look, I made a movie with The Movies, I'm a movie maker :3
i really like this comparison, idk if it's even completely fair I REALLY LIKE IT
except my creations in the movies were definitely art, every other scene (literally) was a chase scene between a werewolf and this weird looking monocle/blonde moustache/spotted head dude i made
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Are you seriously implying that fucking games like : Lingering Forsaken, Lucid Awakening, Dhux's Scar , Tales from Zilmurik, (good job on the "imaginative" naming guys) are better than Machinarium, Spelunky, Runman, Time Fcuk (neither being some bejeweled clones).
Let me begin by saying that this is an awful topic asking a profoundly stupid question. Let me continue by simply showing you this.
I mean seriously; you name some rather mediocer games (with the exception of maybe Dhux's Scar, which is a dated effort that's been recently translated) and proceed to compare them to some of the best the other side has to offer. Is that a fair comparison in the least?
When people are using a program that are limiting their freedom to create novel game play, created a community of leeches that suck up the materials of last decade's games and off a very limited liberty (WTF?) of programming, I don't call this a tool for expressive artwork. And what the hell is a good story to you ? The ones featured in most jrpgs with androgynous angsty teenage boys waving sword to "save the world" from "an ancient evil" and falling in love with the party's healer.
How is the irony of this lost on you? Calling all Game Maker games shitty casual / shootemup / clone games is about as idiotic as saying all RPGs are about a sword wielding faceless man-girl.
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Are you seriously implying that fucking games like : Lingering Forsaken, Lucid Awakening, Dhux's Scar , Tales from Zilmurik, (good job on the "imaginative" naming guys) are better than Machinarium, Spelunky, Runman, Time Fcuk (neither being some bejeweled clones).
Half the games you listed were of my own creation, rushed even... What're you trying to say? :hmm:
Though I guess I should be thankful to see those being brought up in conversation, giving them airtime.
And I have to agree with Nightblade, as the comparisons are sort of "Runescape VS World of Warcraft".
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I mean seriously; you name some rather mediocer games (with the exception of maybe Dhux's Scar, which is a dated effort that's been recently translated) and proceed to compare them to some of the best the other side has to offer. Is that a fair comparison in the least?
No, it is not a fair comparison and was never meant to be. Yes horrors were made on Game Maker, Flash and C+ but nothing made with rpgmaker was or will ever be as good as what other tools can produce. But please go ahead and show some games made with rpgmaker that are of the calibre of the many indie games that were featured on the main site. While you do this I'll finish my university, get married, have children and and buy a bungalow.
How is the irony of this lost on you? Calling all Game Maker games shitty casual / shootemup / clone games is about as idiotic as saying all RPGs are about a sword wielding faceless man-girl.
I was making an over-generalization, but sadly I don't think that the OP was when talking about indie game making in general and that is scary. It's scary because he is a product of the (and I feel like repeating myself here for the 10th topic that is in the last few weeks) incestuous game making community that has been growing here in the last 6 years or so. You all are so busy looking at screenshots of the same kind of games over and over again and stroking each others ego ("oh! I love your use of that chipset" or "oh! nice custom CBS") that you start feeding off each others ideas and slowly all of the games started to look like the same. The members of the little circle can tell the difference between each others games ("pfft, that guy never uses the 3 tiles rule") but to the rest of GW, shit, the rest of the world, it's all the same thing. Sure, one or two will break the mold once in a while but if it wasn't one in the morning here I'd go around each topics on this board and look at the games and prove how alike they all are. The only people that are able of truly breaking that mold are the ones that stay on the side of this whole mess, like Hundley and thecatamites with 78641 and Paul Moose. Or maybe because they did not use rpgmaker or make a jrpg.
Rpgmaker is dead and you should stop playing with the corpse so we can bury it. Once it's done, we can get on with serious indie game making business. Trying to break barriers, trying to say something meaningful and not just tell the tale of some hero through CBS, CMS and awkward "cutscenes", but though meaningful gameplay and design.
You can have your fun with it if you like but GW should be about something else.
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No, it is not a fair comparison and was never meant to be.
Then... What was the point of even making it?
Yes horrors were made on Game Maker, Flash and C+ but nothing made with rpgmaker was or will ever be as good as what other tools can produce. But please go ahead and show some games made with rpgmaker that are of the calibre of the many indie games that were featured on the main site.
I don't visit the main site anymore, but I'll do my best to answer this.
There are some well known and noteworthy titles such as Exit Fate, Grave Spirit, Wilfred the Hero, Sunset Over Imdahl, Velsarbor, Ascendence, and a few others that escape me at the moment. There are some games currently featured that are comparable, there are some games that aren't. I wouldn't compare any of the above to say - Machinarium.
While you do this I'll finish my university, get married, have children and and buy a bungalow.
It's funny because you're rightly insulting yourself.
I was making an over-generalization, but sadly I don't think that the OP was when talking about indie game making in general and that is scary. It's scary because he is a product of the (and I feel like repeating myself here for the 10th topic that is in the last few weeks) incestuous game making community that has been growing here in the last 6 years or so. You all are so busy looking at screenshots of the same kind of games over and over again and stroking each others ego ("oh! I love your use of that chipset" or "oh! nice custom CBS") that you start feeding off each others ideas and slowly all of the games started to look like the same. The members of the little circle can tell the difference between each others games ("pfft, that guy never uses the 3 tiles rule") but to the rest of GW, shit, the rest of the world, it's all the same thing. Sure, one or two will break the mold once in a while but if it wasn't one in the morning here I'd go around each topics on this board and look at the games and prove how alike they all are. The only people that are able of truly breaking that mold are the ones that stay on the side of this whole mess, like Hundley and thecatamites with 78641 and Paul Moose. Or maybe because they did not use rpgmaker or make a jrpg.
This wall of insurmountable stupid makes my eyes hurt.
Seriously though; there are plenty of reasons to hate the RPG maker community; many of the things you listed are even things I hate about it (Identical games and circle jerking to name a few) but these things you're talking about are not exclusive to RPGmaker. As for the crop of crappy games, again, not exclusive to RPG maker. You yourself even admitted to this in the very same post.
When anything is made by amateurs be it music, games, or writing there is only one absolute: a lot of it is going to be terrible and derivative.
Rpgmaker is dead and you should stop playing with the corpse so we can bury it. Once it's done, we can get on with serious indie game making business. Trying to break barriers, trying to say something meaningful and not just tell the tale of some hero through CBS, CMS and awkward "cutscenes", but though meaningful gameplay and design.
Ok... We can pretend some of this actually made sense.
You can have your fun with it if you like but GW should be about something else.
Boy, it would be nice if the you who typed this had a talk with the you from seven seconds ago when you typed the quote above this one.
This entire post is funny because you're essentially regurgitating what everyone else here has been saying without any idea as to what any of it actually means.
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Ok, I didn't get all of your post but damn it's 2 in the morning here so I'll make it short.
This entire post is funny because you're essentially regurgitating what everyone else here has been saying without any idea as to what any of it actually means.
A: Fuck you
B: Yes I am regurgitating a lot of what people are saying (and I understand you smartass) but that's because, for God knows what reason, the same damn topic came up like 4 times around the forums for the last week or so and I've been trying to make my point all this time. The GW game design community is terrible, incestuous, and bland.
Exit Fate, Grave Spirit, Wilfred the Hero, Sunset Over Imdahl, Velsarbor, Ascendence
Great, you proved my point. They all are great (more or less) because they all did something different with the tool they had. Maybe I am giving an hard time to rpgmaker but it's because it is associated with those awful games that are populating (or polluting) the forum.
The whole topic kinda spiralled out of control here but my point is, we need to stop orbiting around rpgmaker and the awful "design philosophy" that has built around it and start supporting other stuff. The resource forum should not be a bunch of rips from snes games adapted for rm2k3.
Man, that post will sound horrible once I reread it tomorrow morning.
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Great, you proved my point. They all are great (more or less) because they all did something different with the tool they had. Maybe I am giving an hard time to rpgmaker but it's because it is associated with those awful games that are populating (or polluting) the forum.
Thats great, I dont like the shitty games any more than you do; but don't label it as an exclusive RPG maker problem. It's not even a problem exclusive to game making as a whole.
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Thats great, I dont like the shitty games any more than you do; but don't label it as an exclusive RPG maker problem. It's not even a problem exclusive to game making as a whole.
Right, but shitty rpgmaker games (and the people making them) are a big GW problem.
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Gamingw is now dedicated only to indie games (as in re-makes of bejeweled, pong, and pinball).
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Interesting crap you're all regurgitating, if this goes on long enough, you'll clog the toilet. But then again, if you dont vomit it up, it'll come out of your butt and will end up crap anyways.
Rpg maker sucks because of Lucid Awakening.
the SNES sucks because of Shaq Fu. Essentially, SNES was wayy worse than sega genesis because sega had Sonic the Hedgehog.. and the SNES had Shaq fu. Seriously what a crappy system. probably the worst of all time.. and so outdated.
What's really awesome now is indie games for the iphone. Then we can play them while we're in class or at work so we can become mindless idiots. love indie iphone games.
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DARN YOU COUNCHFIEND ITS NOT TRUE ITS NOT TRUUUUUEEEE :fogetcry:
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Right, but shitty rpgmaker games (and the people making them) are a big GW problem.
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Blade111/ironhide_facepalm.webp)
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"Will Gamingw ever be getting an RPG Maker Game Database?"
No. Because of majority issues. Obviously, most people here in GW doesn;t really car eanymore for RM.
So whether RM is artowrk or should be buried, there won't be a database.
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The next trend for GW should be drinking coffee and making coffee jokes.
Boss: Say, Tara, aren'tcha one heck of a good and fast worker?
Tara: I was just drinking coffee and when MY HEART PUMPED it was like having an orgasm. WHen I get orgasms, I get more work done on time.
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yay this new GW is cool beat that 2002-2004 GW
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:fogetgasp: :fogetgasp: :fogetgasp:
rpgmaker is artwork..... rpgmaker is artwork
What the fuck is wrong with you.
james_the_composer thinks his shitty midis sound like real instruments and that his Takuza thingy is a compelling cartoon. Notice a pattern?
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aw man low blow. that is getting a little personal.
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yay this new GW is cool beat that 2002-2004 GW
yeah man, take that GW from when most of us were 12-14, we've not grown as a community at all!!!
oh wait FUCK TIME PASSED
this is the problem man, you are begging for the return of a site from the past, sure you could say that different people are always coming in but they're kind of not! most of us have been around since then and we grew up, have completely different lives and have completely different interests. rm2k is not one of those interests for most of us anymore. when the main bits of the community stops giving a shit, it is impossible to tailor the rest of the site to people on the outskirts. unless the people who give a fuck or two about the community as a whole care, you can't keep a site going.
also keep in mind dudes, there's no reason that an rm2k game couldn't be featured on the mainsite as it is. after all, it's an indie games site. the problem is that they are universally so awful that nobody would feature them on a site. even the 'good' rm2k games are just good for rm2k games, when you start comparing them to other indie games or even professional games (indie games are to the point now where it's fair to do so to some extent, there are a lot of indie games that give professional ones a run for their money), they don't look so fantastic anymore. there's no rule against the mainsite not having rm2k games, but don't expect it to happen until something legitimately amazing comes along. if you think you've found that game, then perhaps submit an article to the mainsite????? unfortunately i don't see this happening anytime soon.
let's assume that there are a handful of amazing rm2k games that are so damn good you can't believe it. okay, great, put those on the site. there is absolutely no denying however that the huge, HUGE majority of these games are absolute shit. what are you asking for is a database of shit. you want gw to clog up its entire site with any 11 year old's game that is completely awful to play. what is the point of this??? if your game is so damn good send it into the site as a regular indie game! there's got to be some level of quality control, or else we just end up with a site full of shit.
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nightblade you look completely retarded when you answer a post with a fucking image macro
What's really awesome now is indie games for the iphone. Then we can play them while we're in class or at work so we can become mindless idiots. love indie iphone games.
yeah man who would ever want to play legitimately good, well designed indie games on the iphone when we could be playing a generic jrpg made by someone who's not old enough to drive???
seriously man you're saying these games are stupid because they're on the iphone??? monkey island is on the iphone too, does that make it mindless too? i can't even think of an answer to this that's not fuck you sorry
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i am not really sure why you guys even complain about GW not having RM resources / games when it's been shafted for over 5 years. it made sense in the beginning but any effort to move RM to the forefront as it used to be has been largely shot down by the community. the vast majority of people interested in RM visit sites like RMN for development purposes. neophyte said this and no one really took any notice of it.
i also want to clear up this whole thing about RM's bad image and why hardly anyone takes it seriously, no one really seems to understand what is going on. RM games don't actually penetrate into the public in any meaningful way. there's always the top rpg maker games everyone on obscure internet forums talk about but it very rarely, if ever, gets outside of RM communities. on the flipside, you see MMF, game maker, AGS, and pretty much any other more advanced development tool out there having games that win legitimate independent awards, are talked about in the gaming press, and actually get interest outside of insider communities. this almost never happens with RM games.
for instance, take a look at the TIGDB, which features all kinds of games (including RM games http://db.tigsource.com/browse?engine=rpg-maker ). notice how that out of 637 games on the DB, only 11 are from all of the RMs. none of the other RM games people rave about were strong enough to penetrate into a larger audience beyond the games listed there (generally speaking). i've played and enjoyed some RPG maker games, but i understand why they have such a tiny slice of appeal in the public eye, and it's not just because they are typically the standard JRPG fare.
it's because the more successful developers eventually dump RM. they learn it's not a suitable tool for more advanced development and move on. this doesn't mean RM is incapable of making a great game, you absolutely can in the technical sense, but without a developer to make it happen, the amount of great games will be extremely low. in order for a great game to happen in RM, you need someone smart enough to make a good game, but stubborn enough to stick with a tool that is not suited for making such a game. we've all seen neat tech demos, and even emulations of functionality from real games (ie. vanit's ff7 menu) using RM. we know it can DO THINGS. this all has to do with time however. most people who become an advanced RM user and actually pursue their project to the end eventually jump ship because it will take much quicker to make their game in another engine. vanit spent easily 4x as long making a menu system, that is very cumbersome technically (it has initial load time for the menu for christ sake) and is extremely hard to adapt. if you look at the more advanced engines, you can accomplish such a system many times faster and actually be able to adapt and expand the system later if you need to.
i will say that with the newer RM products the chance of better games coming out has increased because they improved many of the flaws that older versions had, but i still don't think the interface and general functionality of the engines are good enough to attract the serious developers. in the end though, you can't keep defending RPG maker for being "up there" with the rest of indie games when it has almost no appeal outside RM communites. good developers abandon it eventually, and it's mostly become a stepping stone. so while you hardcore RM users would like to think the public is shunning RM, it's really the developers turning their back on it. RM has earned it's image as a highly amateur tool because of this.
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sort of adding on to that, one of the reasons that rm games are only seen as so good among the rm developers is because of this feeling of "this person can do better than i can". in the rm community, any game that is more impressive than yours is amazing to you, because you understand the work that went into it. however the problem is that the community is unable to separate this feeling of "wow now i understand how hard it was for you to pull that off" from judging how good or bad a game is. this is what leads to the incestuous nature in the first place, they start praising that awful game, then someone who is worse than you praises your awful game, and nobody judges them as if they were actual games! if you go up to a stranger who likes games but has never heard of rpg maker and had them play even one of the better rm games, they would probably not like it so much. they would actually be judging it based on other games they've played, and not based on other rpgmaker games they've played. it makes no sense to only judge a game based on other games developed in a similar way, because the player is only going to know about the end result. spore had interesting ways of handling things from a programming perspective, but as someone who just buys the game and plays it, none of that matters! i could make a movie with a certain type of camera, but i can't judge that film only by comparing it to other films made with that kind of camera. until people start comparing rm2k games to other indie games (i will be fair enough to leave out professional games here, since they aren't usually one-man jobs), they aren't going to grow and will never become good. but, it's really more like gz said, where once someone who makes rm games does start to grow, they leave rm.
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Yeah, what GZ and Vellfare said is pretty much the point I was trying to get across but I guess I'm not that eloquent at 2 in the morning. I also feel really stupid for staying up so late to have a debate with a 23 years old guy that still uses that and reply with a fucking image macro.
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indie games (as in re-makes of bejeweled, pong, and pinball).
This is a VERY accurate description.
But even if it would be, I would rather play all these remakes of pong than something that has everything from its graphics to the plotline recycled from 10 different old snes games, poorly put together with a toolkit that just cripples whatever little hope there ever was for the game.
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This is a VERY accurate description.
But even if it would be, I would rather play all these remakes of pong than something that has everything from its graphics to the plotline recycled from 10 different old snes games, poorly put together with a toolkit that just cripples whatever little hope there ever was for the game.
man yeah that sentence completely boggled my mind it was so dumb but come to think of it i would rather play any pinball clone than the average rm game, because it's hard to make a bad pinball game, whereas it's hard to make a GOOD rpg
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Look, we can keep arguing that "RPG maker sux" ,"RPG maker should stay","Everyone should go gamemaka cause its uba!"
Or we can look at the facts here...
GW has been (for the short time I've been here) a place for beginners and pros to come together and get into the grand view of Game Design...
Some people may say "Well its changed over the last 6 years" there's still an underline concept... newbies are coming here for help with their games, and veterans are coming here to freshen up and improve their current skills (such as spriting, scripting, map making, etc)
Sure, there are more newbies coming in, but does that me that we should shoot down a means for them to make games without having to master the art of programming?
Not all game designers are gonna be programmers, not all game designers are going to be capable to design and model their own "heroes and villians" with sprites or in 3d, and not all designers are going to know how to write Shakespeare... why should we be forcing them to use the "harder" designing programs when RPG maker is there and is capable of doing what they want to do. (why use a chainsaw when you can use a knife)
Let the programmers move onto harder languages, let the graphics jockeys move onto photoshop and 3d modeling programs (such as blender and the like) and let the script writers start writing their novels... everyone has to start somewhere, and RPG maker has been a good place to start.
Obviously not everyone will look at GW as I do, but I still see it as a place for beginners to improve themselves and Vets to get to see their world with fresh eyes...
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Some people may say "Well its changed over the last 6 years" there's still an underline concept... newbies are coming here for help with their games, and veterans are coming here to freshen up and improve their current skills (such as spriting, scripting, map making, etc)
uh no, a handful of new people are coming here to post their games to get endless amounts of empty praise and veterans have either moved on or are hardly there at all, and i see almost nobody asking for help or doing anything fresh whatsoever
unless you are literally in the past then idk how you can think that gw as it stands today is anything like what you just said
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GW has been (for the short time I've been here) a place for beginners and pros to come together and get into the grand view of Game Design...
Some people may say "Well its changed over the last 6 years" there's still an underline concept... newbies are coming here for help with their games, and veterans are coming here to freshen up and improve their current skills (such as spriting, scripting, map making, etc)
I kinda wish it was like that but it's not.
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just interesting to note that the game in your sig was made with game maker.
just sayin :welp:
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Hey, I never said I had a thing against game maker, just I support the fact that RPG maker should still be used.
And I used to hang out in the resource forum (until the huge update, when I took a break) and my spriting went from completely useless to decent (might not be a great improvement, but Ocean and them really helped me improve.)
I still see some places were people are telling me how to improve (take a look at encryption in the coding section) there are still vets here who are trying to help people out, you just have to learn to filter through the junk.
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Hey, I never said I had a thing against game maker, just I support the fact that RPG maker should still be used.
And I used to hang out in the resource forum (until the huge update, when I took a break) and my spriting went from completely useless to decent (might not be a great improvement, but Ocean and them really helped me improve.)
I still see some places were people are telling me how to improve (take a look at encryption in the coding section) there are still vets here who are trying to help people out, you just have to learn to filter through the junk.
there's a difference between you as an individual finding help when you ask for it and GW being a place where tons of people go out of their way to come for help, this is what you made it sound like
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Hey Vell, isn't that an loophole? Asking for help is going out of your way to get help...
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her point is that you're using youself as an idividual example as if lots of people are doing it
they're not. it's a few
:fogetnah:
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Well, I should probably look at how other people are using GW rather then just assuming that there are people using GW like I do... then my opinion won't be based around my experience with it...
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Just this year I've had epic experiences playing Love and War Act 1, Exit Fate, Hero's Realm and my own WIP Save The World so RM isn't dead to me.
The loudest people aren't always the majority, they just take up the most space on the forums.
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Rpgmaker 95/2k/3 are all dying, XP is still thriving. But I do think we should focus on more genuine Indie games now. Aquaria, Machinarium(???) etc.
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hey GZ, how are you. I'm glad you noticed my post amongst all the other dumb posts here.
FYI the Game design forum here is not going to change ever. I thought this was clear 3 years ago.
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Machinarium has pretty sick graphics, but I don't find it to be fun at all.
Half the games you listed were of my own creation, rushed even... What're you trying to say? :hmm:
Though I guess I should be thankful to see those being brought up in conversation, giving them airtime.
And I have to agree with Nightblade, as the comparisons are sort of "Runescape VS World of Warcraft".
REAL-TIME STRATEGY GAMES ARE AWFUL, JUST LOOK AT WARCRAFT 1
Right, but shitty rpgmaker games (and the people making them) are a big GW problem.
That's because this is GW, it used to be 100% RPGMaker. Where do you think people are gonna post their crappy RM games? NBA.com? Crappy RM games are going to be posted on RPGMaker sites.
yeah man who would ever want to play legitimately good, well designed indie games on the iphone when we could be playing a generic jrpg made by someone who's not old enough to drive???
I'm a little confused why you think that a person has to be young to use RM and can't be young if they're using GM.
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REAL-TIME STRATEGY GAMES ARE AWFUL, JUST LOOK AT WARCRAFT 1
That's because this is GW, it used to be 100% RPGMaker. Where do you think people are gonna post their crappy RM games? NBA.com? Crappy RM games are going to be posted on RPGMaker sites.
I'm a little confused why you think that a person has to be young to use RM and can't be young if they're using GM.
Well if you're 23 and still using RM something is wrong my friend.
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Well if you're 23 and still using RM something is wrong my friend.
Oh, better RPG's can be made in GM given the same effort? Okay, then. Because I like RPG's.
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I'm a little confused why you think that a person has to be young to use RM and can't be young if they're using GM.
i said that because that is the bulk of the community, sorry but that's a fact man
That's because this is GW, it used to be 100% RPGMaker. Where do you think people are gonna post their crappy RM games? NBA.com? Crappy RM games are going to be posted on RPGMaker sites.
yeah, used to be. that's because we've been trying to fix that. gw doesn't want to be any sort of rpgmaker anymore.
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What a stupid topic
I am not excited about a single game here except maybe the Alliance but I am still waiting on that one
Why is it everyone mentions RM2k3 being good everyone else shits a brick? Who cares?
IT SUCKS
NO IT DOESN'T
YES IT DOES
And in the end people who like Rm2k3 will still use it and people who like other things will still use those. Great work having this argument for the nth time everyone.
edit: seriously GW is only related to games in the most peripheral of ways any more that it really doesn't matter what it supports. Everyone else at the site ignores Game Design, but now that it's not DREADED RPGMAKER they can jump in and say "hey this is cool" from time to time. They are supporting games now not some STUPID HOBBY
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Rpgmaker 95/2k/3 are all dying, XP is still thriving. But I do think we should focus on more genuine Indie games now. Aquaria, Machinarium(???) etc.
yeah but vx pretty much was the hammer that nailed RM's coffin
i still love my rm2k/rm2k3, but you gotta admit were not doing so great and RM in general is dying
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this thread seriously sucks and so do the arguments flying around
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Regardless of age or experience GW has the potential to promote games with great stories, rather than mini-games.
Now Gaming World has decided to go in the direction of promoting Game Design in general, rather than it's original idea of promoting the tools to create and tell a story. It's selling out to a more generalized crowd. Not that GW has been the greatest community ever created, but it used to own a decent chunk of internet space dedicated to those tools that allowed people to tell their stories. There are already many websites that promote the creation of indie games.
GW used to make more of a difference.
Yes RPG Maker is dying, but part of why it's dying it seems is because GW left it.
Ok, RPG Maker Games can be sloppy and seem to be a lot less professional than mini-games that focus mainly on gameplay/programming, but it all depends on how the website makes the image of RPG Maker Games out to be.
I will say this much. If GW was to promote RPG Maker games with an image of integrity, people on the forums that don't have faith in RPG Maker or any other tools that allow someone to bring their stories to other artists, would not be expressing the same point of view.
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Regardless of age or experience GW has the potential to promote games with great stories, rather than mini-games.
Now Gaming World has decided to go in the direction of promoting Game Design in general, rather than it's original idea of promoting the tools to create and tell a story. It's selling out to a more generalized crowd. Not that GW has been the greatest community ever created, but it used to own a decent chunk of internet space dedicated to those tools that allowed people to tell their stories. There are already many websites that promote the creation of indie games.
GW used to make more of a difference.
Yes RPG Maker is dying, but part of why it's dying it seems is because GW left it.
Ok, RPG Maker Games can be sloppy and seem to be a lot less professional than mini-games that focus mainly on gameplay/programming, but it all depends on how the website makes the image of RPG Maker Games out to be.
I will say this much. If GW was to promote RPG Maker games with an image of integrity, people on the forums that don't have faith in RPG Maker or any other tools that allow someone to bring their stories to other artists, would not be expressing the same point of view.
Dude, which "indie games" have you even played?
Psychosomnium and paul moose in space world and idk whatever else cause i dont play all of them etc but man, there are a lot with good stories.
man. im sorry i keep trying to poop in your face, but man.
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Regardless of age or experience GW has the potential to promote games with great stories, rather than mini-games.
Now Gaming World has decided to go in the direction of promoting Game Design in general, rather than it's original idea of promoting the tools to create and tell a story. It's selling out to a more generalized crowd. Not that GW has been the greatest community ever created, but it used to own a decent chunk of internet space dedicated to those tools that allowed people to tell their stories. There are already many websites that promote the creation of indie games.
GW used to make more of a difference.
Yes RPG Maker is dying, but part of why it's dying it seems is because GW left it.
Ok, RPG Maker Games can be sloppy and seem to be a lot less professional than mini-games that focus mainly on gameplay/programming, but it all depends on how the website makes the image of RPG Maker Games out to be.
I will say this much. If GW was to promote RPG Maker games with an image of integrity, people on the forums that don't have faith in RPG Maker or any other tools that allow someone to bring their stories to other artists, would not be expressing the same point of view.
Stop, please - stop.
What a stupid topic
What a stupid topic
What a stupid topic
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oh ok you just wanna hear a story. why not head over to the lit forum?
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yeah I don't like it when people say RPG Maker is restrictive, I mean it is, but it's all technical stuff like no 64-bit color etc. Well ok it sucks for people who want to make a space shooter or an FPS, but I think it can make like any rpg you want to do reasonably well. I mean it is a restriction, but not being able to draw or write a story for shit is something people should concentrate on more instead of am I using right engine??? I heard Yume Nikki didn't work as far as gameplay but watching videos of it I do think it's proof you can evoke whatever feelings you want to in an rpg maker game, you just have to put a lot of consideration into what you're drawing/how the game feels etc. Half the time the game isn't even like full rpg maker graphics quality, it's a bunch of MS Paint images but it gets the intended effect because it's made by someone who knows what the hell they're doing
but yeah like I said it sucks if you want to make some sort of crazy real-time irrigation Action-Adventure-Bocce system in your game, those people should move to another engine because they're obviously more interested in the game part and should be able to deal with the extra work of coding etc. I also mentioned Yume Nikki because I don't think behind the scenes there's too much ridiculous custom-coding going on, probably a lot of things are actually very simple commands/events that get overlooked because they're so simple/average person has no idea what context to use them in
I actually think the most restrictive thing about RPG Maker is you can't edit while playing the game in some way. Or at least edit it and very quickly jump to point x/y in the game. I think this is way worse than no side/rear/birds-eye view battle system because it's trying on a person's patience to play through the game and make sure it looks/feels exactly the way they want it. Just thinking about it makes me wish really bad there was a way to jump to random points really fast like editing a movie on the computer, deciding on the fly that this should happen at this speed, this guy should be more to the right. The only thing that is even vaguely like this is BATTLE ANIMATIONS. I mean even seeing if a certain music track works best in a certain area is a fairly large pain in the ass, although that you could pull off with debug events, have one vase play track 1, track 2 etc. and decide which is best
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youre a bad composer and dont understand art
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youre a bad composer and dont understand art
also low :(
GUYS STOP BEIN MEAN.
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Yes RPG Maker is dying, but part of why it's dying it seems is because GW left it.
fffff no no no NO jesus christ
rpg maker isn't dying because GW left it, it's dying because the people who were using it either moved on or lost their interest in gamemaking, this has NOTHING to do with gamingw at all and i have no clue what misfire in your brain would cause you to think this
in fact GW never left it, EVERYONE left it, and i don't mean websites dude i mean people. people stopped caring so it died! i have no idea why you think this has to do with websites. especially GW in particular.
also shut the fuck up nightblade you're MAKING the topic stupid when you do that
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is GW dying?
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Now Gaming World has decided to go in the direction of promoting Game Design in general, rather than it's original idea of promoting the tools to create and tell a story. It's selling out to a more generalized crowd.
Yes, how dare we promote good game design instead of a single program, the nerve of us.
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The problem is no one actually listens. You keep saying RM died but a ton of people have replied that they still use or play the game. You say all RM games are bad but I replied earlier with 4 games that came out within the last year that I loved to play. You say no one cares but obviously people care or there wouldn't be a thread with this many replies in it right?
Having an opinion is fine, but saying that your opinion is fact and everyone else is wrong is bull.
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If this really is a stupid topic that there is no point in discussing, then a moderator should go ahead and lock the topic now.
Is it really less stupid to turn the argument away from:
"RPGMAKER IS STUPID"
"NO IT'S NOT"
"YES IT IS"
Just so that it can turn into:
"THIS TOPIC IS STUPID"
"NO IT'S NOT"
"STOP WASTING YOUR TIME ARGUING THIS"
"NO! THIS IS IMPORTANT"
"NO IT'S NOT!"
"YES IT IS!"
Oh yeah, and we had to ditch RPGMaker because GamingW only promotes good game design now. You can't possibly promote good game design when you already promoting something like RPGMaker. The two terms are mutually exclusive in that respect.
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Promoting a single program seems pretty silly at this point. However, so is bashing a single program. Who cares what people use to make games? I think enough developers here now use a variety of apps (GM, XNA, whatever) that we shouldn't start a shitstorm every time a game made in one of the RMs is posted.
(If I had the patience to learn a new app I would move on from RM, but I hardly have the time)
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I think enough developers here now use a variety of apps (GM, XNA, whatever) that we shouldn't start a shitstorm every time a game made in one of the RMs is posted.
i've not seen any of these shitstorms, unless by shitstorm you mean a bunch of other rm users giving endless empty praise, this is all i have ever seen from rm topics, most of the people who think rm is awful don't post in those (but they do post in topics like these because they address a more general issue that probably should be addressed)
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These topics are the reason I don't bother with RM anymore. Sure my games were all shit, but I did have fun making them, and will be the first to admit I have no programming tact whatsoever; in that light RM was great for me. But now because people whine about RM being left behind or people bitch about how terrible RM is, there's just no point. If you still have interest in RM go to RMN. They're supportive of your program and will look at the screenshots. GW is changed, and change is hard to swallow. But, you will just have to accept it.
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gw... such a sellout... w e sold rm out to get this bigger audience...
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gw... such a sellout... w e sold rm out to get this bigger audience...
so much. we're worse than tinchy strider
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gw sold their souls to rock and roll :(
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I have to agree with Demon... this topic has become useless now...
It used to be a simple question... will GW have a RM database, then it got into an argument over
"RM sux, no one uses it"
"Hey, some of us do!"
"Then you noob"
"No I aren't"
Lets just face the music here... RM is around, some (if not, many) people still use it from time to time (whether they actually make or finish *cough me*cough any games is the point.) Heck, look at the "rare RPG maker\game demos" topic forum... people are interested in RM games still, though GW might not get an RM specific database, it can still have a reference to RM games in like, the other game makers section... right?
Can we just put this topic to rest and get an answer to the damned question... will there be an RPG maker database, or will there be any rpgmaker games?
I'll sit down, shut up, and get on the shortbus now...
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Because the answer is easy: No there will not be an RPG Maker database on GW. And RPG Maker games can be featured on the mainsite if they're worth a shit.
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Because the answer is easy: No there will not be an RPG Maker database on GW. And RPG Maker games can be featured on the mainsite if they're worth a shit.
Sure, bring a RM game that is worth something and I'll review it like I'd review any other games. Till then, I'll review games made with actual programming.
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in all honesty I would like a big FTP where people can just dump games onto, but mostly just because I've lost so many of my own games when PC crashed/the website I was hosting them on went down, I know the names and everything so I wouldn't care about a writeup or anything. To a lesser extent with other people's games, to see if they were really any good or not. But it's not really very important
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Can we just put this topic to rest and get an answer to the damned question... will there be an RPG maker database, or will there be any rpgmaker games?
I'll sit down, shut up, and get on the shortbus now...
alec already repeated the answer but seriously dude the question WAS answered on the first page, followed by another two pages of discussion about the answer which was given (on the first page (it's right there dude!))
sorry that you can't read
tl;dr there's no reason good games can't be submitted to the mainsite but gw isn't going to let everyone start uploading their games because most of them aren't worth it
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These kind of topics keep GW alive
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set me straight. So Gaming World won't make an rpgmaker database because a database can be found at RMN? And Gaming World posts games on the mainsite that are taken from main site posts at other indie gaming sites. So then what is the point of Gaming World?
Seems like people should either go to RMN or go to tigsource or other indie gaming sites that post non-rpg-maker games.
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god I hope not
set me straight. So Gaming World won't make an rpgmaker database because a database can be found at RMN? And Gaming World posts games on the mainsite that are taken from main site posts at other indie gaming sites. So then what is the point of Gaming World?
Seems like people should either go to RMN or go to tigsource or other indie gaming sites that post non-rpg-maker games.
I understand you operate on a subhuman level of intelligence you skeletal ape, but it should still be pretty obvious that the point of the mainsite blog is to keep the GW community updated with/connected to the larger game making community by posting all the big events and cool new indie games. It would be nice if there were more updates about GW, but the members aren't really generating enough content at the moment for that to become a reality.
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i dont have time to argue with you. Clearly you're the smartest man in the world. It would take me years to think on your level.
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and your sig is too long and inaccurate.
ahahaha. thread justified.
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Sure, bring a RM game that is worth something and I'll review it like I'd review any other games. Till then, I'll review games made with actual programming.
It's amazing how every time you open your mouth you prove you're an idiot.
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Hey Nightblade would you like to actually contribute to the topic for a second or are you just coming in here to do absolutely nothing useful at all? Even the other people who have been insulting were at least ALSO contributing.
So then what is the point of Gaming World?
We're an already established community. If GW was just a site about rpgmaker it probably would have completely faded away, but because of the forums and the fact that GWers as a whole just like hanging out and chatting with each other, GW is still here. The only thing keeping GW together is the actual community, and mainsites have nothing to do with that. If anything, the mainsite is the side project and the forums are the real deal. GW's not around to be some big site anymore, it's around because we dudes like each other mostly.
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i dont have time to argue with you. Clearly you're the smartest man in the world. It would take me years to think on your level.
the intelligence part was a joke. actually I'm not sure why I'm telling you this because I don't really want you to respond. I guess I'm wondering why you think there is something to argue when I just made a statement about how things seem to be going
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We're an already established community. If GW was just a site about rpgmaker it probably would have completely faded away, but because of the forums and the fact that GWers as a whole just like hanging out and chatting with each other, GW is still here. The only thing keeping GW together is the actual community, and mainsites have nothing to do with that. If anything, the mainsite is the side project and the forums are the real deal. GW's not around to be some big site anymore, it's around because we dudes like each other mostly.
haha I was waiting for someone to say this. GW is fairly redundant and the majority of people come back just to hang out. These types of controversial topics are what keep this site interesting haha. I love seeing the arguements lol. But yeah, if you're serious about game design, I would probably go elsewhere.
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I'm not afraid to admit that we're just here because we like each others' company, I think that's something that's more important than being about something in particular. You can always find someone on GW to help you with gamemaking or w/e, but you can't always find someone you want to chill out with on a gamemaking forum.
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yeah thats definitely true and is why I never 'hang out' at other communities. It's just all business
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Well I definitely never thought of it that way...I guess it's more of a social board than business.
Also, eatmygore, Taylor Kaz has come out seeming a lot more like a human in that little argument.
I don't know, I think topics like this one aren't such a bad thing. If you read over the entire thing you can rat out some people that really bring this place backwards and make it kind of a horrible community.
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If you think it's so horrible you don't have to stay here anymore so... :/
I quite like the fact that people at GW are sincere, even when it's not very nice. I'd rather them say you're an idiot than pretend they like you when everyone knows they don't.
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Also, eatmygore, Taylor Kaz has come out seeming a lot more like a human in that little argument.
rats!! my continuous attempts to expose Taylor Kaz as an orangutan have backfired on me yet again, toppling my previous efforts and making him seem even MORE similar to a human being than before
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I like the GW for it's community elements the same way that I like any other place that has community elements. Which is almost always through constantly keeping myself distant while eavesdropping on other people's conversations.
It's just something about the way people conduct themselves here that leaves me confident. Of what I can't be certain, maybe I'll find out one day if I keep on eavesdropping.
Oh yeah, and people say stuff everyday. The way I see it, that's a good enough reason to explain why GW isn't dead yet. (It's why I haven't stopped visiting, but that's just me.)
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so much. we're worse than tinchy strider
Star In The Hood, Bitch.
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I'm not afraid to admit that we're just here because we like each others' company, I think that's something that's more important than being about something in particular. You can always find someone on GW to help you with gamemaking or w/e, but you can't always find someone you want to chill out with on a gamemaking forum.
Like I said in another topic, I'm too old to start the same thing somewhere else. I grew up with the dudes here and I can't start hanging out with a bunch of 13 years old on some other gaming forum. GW is great because it's like coming back from school or work to that small bar where I can talk about a bunch of stuff with people I've known for a few years.
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Like I said in another topic, I'm too old to start the same thing somewhere else. I grew up with the dudes here and I can't start hanging out with a bunch of 13 years old on some other gaming forum. GW is great because it's like coming back from school or work to that small bar where I can talk about a bunch of stuff with people I've known for a few years.
This is a good way of explaining it, and this is why I am in IRC so much. The ONLY other community that I've even started to become a part of in recent times is in my FMLive server, and that's because it's a much older crowd than the average forum, as well as something where I am speaking to generally the same people every day instead of other online games where you are usually faced with complete strangers every time you log in. Even at that though, I doubt I'll ever know those dudes as much as GWers.
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*Sigh*It seems like EVERYONE in this topic (Except me) has devolved into an orangutan flinging their verbal poo about.
I for one very much like Alter Aila Genesis and many of the games Kentona makes WHICH ARE MADE WITH RM2K3 I Will point out. If a game;s good, it shouldn't matter what program is used to make it., If it inspires,exhilarates, or makes someone think, or is at least fun, that's all that matters.
I suggest using MEgaupload to storme your own games for now.
I see nothing wrong with GW's hosting an agreed-upon backlog of games and resources we all agree are tops and we all want available, no matter whether they're made in Rm, Gm, Sphere, or some obscure programming language created by the Great Old Ones.
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*Sigh*It seems like EVERYONE in this topic (Except me) has devolved into an orangutan flinging their verbal poo about.
I for one very much like Alter Aila Genesis and many of the games Kentona makes WHICH ARE MADE WITH RM2K3 I Will point out. If a game;s good, it shouldn't matter what program is used to make it., If it inspires,exhilarates, or makes someone think, or is at least fun, that's all that matters.
I suggest using MEgaupload to storme your own games for now.
I see nothing wrong with GW's hosting an agreed-upon backlog of games and resources we all agree are tops and we all want available, no matter whether they're made in Rm, Gm, Sphere, or some obscure programming language created by the Great Old Ones.
You see, that's just the thing. All RPG Maker games are inherently terrible. Unlike Game Maker, we are sort of stuck in an awkward place in the game design community, a place that shows no sign of future benefits. We are going to keep pumping out the same generic RPG, whether that be medieval, steam-punk, futuristic, or post-apocalyptic, with the same old graphics and music, though your storyline is whatever you make of it. Even then, a storyline of any amateur RPG will typically be clichéd and uninspiring, with the exception of few characters, theology, or deep questions of emotional meaning. RPG Maker is fine for a hobby, but in the grand scheme of things will get you absolutely nowhere, unless you plan on selling your horrible XP or VX games. Though, back on the topic of graphics and music, there are those who choose to create their own, though these are far too few to take into account when developing a generalization.
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I'm not certain any maker's completely on its last legs yet- and who says there has to be a grand scheme? I for one am not currently looking to be a big-shot game designer, but just to have fun.
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You see, that's just the thing. All RPG Maker games are inherently terrible.
Did you even play any of the games I listed? Or do you always throw our gross generalizations without any fact behind it?
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Did you even play any of the games I listed? Or do you always throw our gross generalizations without any fact behind it?
I've played near all Rm2k and Rm2k3 games, with the exception of those that were lost pre-2003. And yes, I have also played Exit Fate. I threw out that generalization by what I have experienced. Typically, they're all just the same ol' shit but with a different title and a different combination of overused events that create some form of "storyline". There are those who strive at originality in their games (graphics, music, systems), but they can never cover up the fact that they're using a fairly poor program to portray their message. I'd suggest not getting defensive over any RPG Maker, as I use it myself but have simply realized the truth. I'm not telling anyone to stop using the program, I'm just stating that they're fighting a losing battle.
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tl;dr there's no reason good games can't be submitted to the mainsite but gw isn't going to let everyone start uploading their games because most of them aren't worth it
This is good enough for me. As long as I know I can submit my game to gw and have a non-biased review of it, despite the maker, and that theres a chance it will get to the main page, I'm satisfied. So wheres the problem then? It's not like gw is "no rm allowed gtfo" about it :fogetshrug:
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The problem is one of these two:
1) People want a site where they can all upload their games, which is an awful idea because most of them are awful and would just be taking up space
2) People want to submit their games into the site, but were too lazy to actually try doing it and just assumed they couldn't, and are whining about it (i.e. there is no problem)
Either way things work the way they are.
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*Sigh* why don't we actually look at the games before making judgments, OK? I could understand people wanting to have a general place to stick whatever thier pet project is. It seems like this place may be more selective.. anyway, why don;t we just lock this thing now and put it to rest...
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I think I've stated this before in topics similar to these but I make games as a fun hobby. I'm glad people enjoy playing them though!
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I think I've stated this before in topics similar to these but I make games as a fun hobby. I'm glad people enjoy playing them though!
Same here. I've never really thought my project(s) would be that good enough to land me in some serious game-making career, since I started using RM back in 2001.
I make my games, especially Runic Cipher, just to kill time and feel like I have something *important* to do while working on it at my own pace. It's what I've wanted in my dream RPG game, and I'm glad people liked my demo so far. It makes me (the creator) feel good when people enjoy it, because I want other gamers to see it in my perspective of how good games should be like. Not hellbent on polishing the plot, but focusing on improving features that can make the game very enjoyable and hard to resist!
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I could understand people wanting to have a general place to stick whatever thier pet project is. It seems like this place may be more selective.
There are already tons of places you can go put your rm2k game. GW doesn't need to be that place anymore. Don't say it's selective like it's such a bad thing.
I get that most people are doing this for fun, and that's great. Go for it champs! But if you're doing it just for fun and for yourselves, and don't care what other people think about it, why do you need your game to be featured on a site? The only things that should be put up are things that are finished, polished, and incredibly good. When you find those games, submit them and maybe someone will do an article about them. There's no reason to let people just upload anything they want when we can just put up the good stuff. You guys keep talking about all these good rm2k games, why not either review them yourselves or suggest articles about them? You can't complain about GW not having rm2k games if you don't at least TRY to get some up there.
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imo its not a great idea for a site that is clearly lacking in members and traffic to start being selective about what games are put on the site. Not that I really give a crap about rpg maker, but surely it makes more sense to try and bring in as much members as possible and show that GW is a great place to showcase your game and have it reviewed fairly. I don't think GW really has the stature to be so conservative at the moment
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I'm a big fan of how you guys fight for an rm2k database yet ignore the rpg maker games on (http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=10728.0) this (http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=10705.0) forum (http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=10327.0). All a database will do is make it even harder for a vast majority of games to receive feedback
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imo its not a great idea for a site that is clearly lacking in members and traffic to start being selective about what games are put on the site. Not that I really give a crap about rpg maker, but surely it makes more sense to try and bring in as much members as possible and show that GW is a great place to showcase your game and have it reviewed fairly. I don't think GW really has the stature to be so conservative at the moment
Considering GW isn't TRYING to be an rpgmaker site, I don't see how being selective about the games is a problem. GW is trying to be a place (as far as I can tell) about quality indie games, and that's what it's doing. When you're shooting for quality, you have to be selective.
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If it's trying to be about quality indie games and not about quality indie minus rm2k/3 then why are you so determined to keep them out? That's the question.
I haven't heard one person say GW should be only about rm2k/3 but I've heard a bunch of people say rm2k/3 shouldn't exist on here at all. Why? If you want indie games then include all of the good ones no matter what maker they come from.
I don't understand this bigotry.
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If it's trying to be about quality indie games and not about quality indie minus rm2k/3 then why are you so determined to keep them out? That's the question.
I haven't heard one person say GW should be only about rm2k/3 but I've heard a bunch of people say rm2k/3 shouldn't exist on here at all. Why? If you want indie games then include all of the good ones no matter what maker they come from.
I don't understand this bigotry.
jesus christ read the fifty thousand posts i JUST made where i said IF YOU HAVE A GOOD RM2k GAME SUBMIT IT TO THE SITE THEY WILL ACCEPT IT
nobody is trying to keep rm out this is something you just made up just now, everyone said that GW shouldn't be about rm, not that GW shouldn't have any, stop being so dumb and maybe read a little, GW DOES accept all the good games no matter where they came from but nobody's put forward any rm2k games to the site yet, why are you doing this
stop talking out of your ass dude
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i mean really dude the first post on this page is SUBMIT YOUR GOOD RM GAMES TO THE SITE did you not even try a little???
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looks like Rone Rivendale has yet to learn to READ before opening his mouth. btw, just out of curiosity, who exactly does the reviewing anyway? Drule? I remember there being "staffers" but i think i'm going way back on that.
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drule and shadowkirby post a lot but gw will accept articles from anyone
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I'm a big fan of how you guys fight for an rm2k database yet ignore the rpg maker games on (http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=10728.0) this (http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=10705.0) forum (http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=10327.0). All a database will do is make it even harder for a vast majority of games to receive feedback
I follow them on RMN, actually!
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drule and shadowkirby post a lot but gw will accept articles from anyone
Yeah, I'm not even an official staff member and I I'm trying to get things done. GW won't be going nowhere if the only people posting stuff are Drule, ASE, adeline (or whatever is his nick now) and me.
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OK, OK, truce people! Geez.... :tsk:
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Can we just kill this topic now, its becoming nothing but name calling and insults (from what I'm reading).
Gamingw will not be getting a RPG maker specific database from what we can tell (more then likely not)
Besides, its not like we can't screen a game before it comes out now (I mean, we do have a demo and finished games topic, that should be good enough for the RPGM fans until more good games show up, right?)
And Skelly, can you calm down a bit, I mean, you're throwing out the most insults outta all the people here. I can understand honesty, (I mean, seriously, some people do need to be smacked upside the head and called an idiot) but what you're doing right now is just insulting for the sake of insulting, just answer a question and move on, don't throw in a "How can you be this stupid" or "L2R noob". Not all people pick up the same thing from reading over post as you do. (Also, how am I supposed to know a page ago that we weren't getting a database, we were discussing it.)
Edit: You know what, nevermind... I'm just gonna crawl into a hole and continue my C programming...
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nobody is trying to keep rm out this is something you just made up just now
Okie, then tell me I made up all the quotes I just took from this very thread.
You see, that's just the thing. All RPG Maker games are inherently terrible.
Sure, bring a RM game that is worth something and I'll review it like I'd review any other games. Till then, I'll review games made with actual programming.
Rpgmaker is dead and you should stop playing with the corpse so we can bury it. Once it's done, we can get on with serious indie game making business. Trying to break barriers, trying to say something meaningful and not just tell the tale of some hero through CBS, CMS and awkward "cutscenes", but though meaningful gameplay and design.
rpg maker is just getting more and more out of date, if you want to tell a story, write a book. different engines (like game maker and MMF) are the main choices for creating games nowadays
RPG Maker is dead. Move on. Sorry, but I understand the pain.
YOU read the thread before telling me I don't know what I am talking about. K thx bye.
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I don't like rpgmaker, therefore gamingw won't accept rpgmaker games on the front page.
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Okie, then tell me I made up all the quotes I just took from this very thread.
YOU read the thread before telling me I don't know what I am talking about. K thx bye.
they just said rpgmaker games usually suck, none of those said rpgmaker games wouldn't be accepted on the mainsite (you even quoted one yourself that said YES WE WILL PUT RPGMAKER GAMES ON THE SITE). you said that people were "so determined to keep them out". they're not being kept out, what you quoted were just opinions over whether or not rpgmaker games were any good. i DID read the thread, if you did then you apparently read it all wrong or don't realize that you said something completely different than you're trying to argue against now.
you're making up that there's some evil gw agenda against letting rm games be featured, there's not.
edit: yeah this summed up your faulty logic pretty well
I don't like rpgmaker, therefore gamingw won't accept rpgmaker games on the front page.
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rone just leave it man we have settled the argument. you (or anyone else) make a good rpgmaker game and it will be submitted. simple as. we have done this before already so i dont know what you are complaining about.
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You didn't quote me aswell Ronne Rivendale? That genuinely hurts my ego because if you look I think what I had to say about RPGMaker is one of the offhand remarks in this topic that was most condescending to the medium:
we had to ditch RPGMaker because GamingW only promotes good game design now. You can't possibly promote good game design when you already promoting something like RPGMaker. The two terms are mutually exclusive in that respect.
It would have done well to help prove your point, but you callously cast it aside because the particular post this wonderful anecdote was in wasn't entirely focused on the type of RPGMaker bashing you prefer to put in quotations. Aren't you being a little hypocritical given that your entire argument is based on accepting any sort of method/medium for game development in GamingW? It's just that with an attitude like yours, I would think you'd be more tolerant of alternative posts that just so happen to bash games made in RPGMaker.
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fuck it
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I'm thinking about making a Bejeweled remake, is this the right thread?
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when rone's on your side, it's time to pack your bags
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wait someone say rpgmaker is rubbish i miss this thread
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funny. this thread kept me coming back to GW every day for a while, something I haven't done in months.
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wait someone say rpgmaker is rubbish i miss this thread
country musicrpgmaker is rubbish
fun fact my friend saw a train in our hometown with "COUNTRY MUSIC IS RUBBISH" spraypainted on it in really nice lettering and she could not wait to tell me about it because it was so weird to see a top gear reference anywhere in rural kentucky much less ON A TRAIN
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country musicrpgmaker is rubbish
fun fact my friend saw a train in our hometown with "COUNTRY MUSIC IS RUBBISH" spraypainted on it in really nice lettering and she could not wait to tell me about it because it was so weird to see a top gear reference anywhere in rural kentucky much less ON A TRAIN
i'm 18 today and i got stood up in town by 3 of my friends in the rain i was stood there for an hour. dickheads.
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Sigh...it looks like I will be the one who is going to shed some light around here on the situation. I have been viewing this thread from afar for a couple of weeks now, trying to stay out of this topic's business; however, I feel that I must give my own two cents on the whole deal (even thought I doubt nothing will change because of it).
Gayming World has basically evolved itself from a site that used to be all about RPG MAKER games & resources to a site that is now about Indie Gaming in general, something that TIGSOURCE or even GAMEJOLT does similar to it. I like this type of direction, but in no means does that suggest that this place just does not want to see anything RM related in general anymore --- oh no! I personally think if you have a great RM game and it receives a lot of recognition around here then it will be featured (same with any other type of game making program being used). But that being said, the sad truth is that great RPG MAKER games are becoming a lost relic as of late. In the past three years I have only managed to play about 4 that I can consider "Elite" quality games per-say. That being said, I believe that there are some great ones being made or around the mix today, but we have not seen anything from these people either in a long time or recently (Rei, S4D, Nessiah, Aten, etc.)
Is RM dying? You can be the judge on that. I say "No way Jose! It is still alive and kicking arse!" But for many others they might digress; it is really up to your own judgement at this point.
Henceforth, Gayming World will STILL accept RM games; however, they must be of a certain quality that will stand up to the other game making programs that are FAR superior to any RPG MAKER program around here to even be considered exceptional.
As for the whole concept of a RM Database (or Game Database), I really like it the way things are right now. Let's see...we have a FULL GAME board that takes care of that problem for us, and the front page features indie games once and awhile. Besides, it's too messy having a database around here anyways. If you guys want a RM database, RMN is probably the perfect place to go to these days (RRR isn't that bad of a choice either!).
Hopefully that will put everybody to ease. Now…if you excuse me, I am needed elsewhere. TALLY HO!!!
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Jesus christ is it just me or did S4D become one of the more reasonable people in this thread?
What has happened here?!?!?!
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What ever happened to that new game maker engine which was advertised here some time ago?
For the life of me, I cant remember the name but apparently it allowed you to create any genre of game with more ease as well as sidescrollers. I'm sure a few people were looking forward to it, if only I could remember the damn name. I remember a few people mentioning how they tried the sample games and were somewhat impressed with it, c'mon someones got to know what I'm talking about.
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It was either called: Action Game Maker or Indie Game Maker I do believe.
...Yeah, I am not sure what happened to all the hype and all about that engine, but I think the high memory it took to download the software was gigantic, and a lot of people just did not have the patience to wait hours and hours just to try out the software.
Also, I think the English release patch never saw the light of day. :mellow:
Oh well, at least Enterbrain has been sporting a .500 record as of late. :laugh:
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brent murray can you make a video of you saying that post? i would love to hear you speak those words.
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funny. this thread kept me coming back to GW every day for a while, something I haven't done in months.
congratulations my good friend you are on the road to success
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What ever happened to that new game maker engine which was advertised here some time ago?
For the life of me, I cant remember the name but apparently it allowed you to create any genre of game with more ease as well as sidescrollers. I'm sure a few people were looking forward to it, if only I could remember the damn name. I remember a few people mentioning how they tried the sample games and were somewhat impressed with it, c'mon someones got to know what I'm talking about.
Yeah, I think you mean AGM/IGM. The reason it sunk without a so much as a wimper is probally because the interface was so confusing. It's maybe super easy when you get used to it but I guess most people couldn't get the hang of it.
http://www.indiegamemaker.net/index.php?page=igm
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In the land of RPG Maker, time plays tricks on us. One day we're dreaming, the next day our dream has become your reality. It was the best of times, if only someone had told us. The stakes were made, hearts were broken, harsh lessons learned. The world goes on without us, while we drown in a sea of pointless Bejeweled remakes. I don't know how we got here, but here we are. There are things we need to figure out, for their sake at least. The clock is ticking. The gap is widening. Bejeweled remakes won't always be crappy no matter what.
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Iji - Best Bejewelled remake ever 10/10 ~ gamespot.
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Anyway, that ad on top of the forums, is that contest merely to draw new members? 'Cause it won't help if there's not much to offer. Database wise you may get more members, but they'll only be members that are never actually online and will probably forget they registered in a week or so.
I don't mean to be harsh, but when GW still focussed on RMK, at least it had an area of expertise. I'm not saying that was thanks to RMK, or that you need to focus on RMK, I'm just saying that right now... Everything GW does, other people or other websites do better. Focussing on indie games is nice, but compared to others, GW has nothing. And with established communities such as rpgmaker.net and RMXP.org, it's a little too late to go back to RMK as well.
Anyway, if you want GW to become a prospering community again, you'll have to figure out which direction you truly want to go in, and start delivering. Not like the blog we have now that says "Hey guys indie games blablabla check out this website blabla and this website and heres a Youtube movie to fill up this post bye", but instead, actual resources, or better, games.
Again, focusing on indie games is nice, but keep in mind that with that mentality, you can never really establish a database that's useful to people. To do that, you'd need to focus on one or more engines and provide helpful material for them.
When that happens, perhaps GW will again see some activity.
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It's cool because we haven't gotten any new members anyway!
nice guys you're only an hour late ;) (http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=10811)
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I was just messing around, this forum has no chance of ever becoming an active hub again.
But who cares right, I like the small community :)
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Anyway, if you want GW to become a prospering community again, you'll have to figure out which direction you truly want to go in, and start delivering. Not like the blog we have now that says "Hey guys indie games blablabla check out this website blabla and this website and heres a Youtube movie to fill up this post bye", but instead, actual resources, or better, games.
Again, focusing on indie games is nice, but keep in mind that with that mentality, you can never really establish a database that's useful to people. To do that, you'd need to focus on one or more engines and provide helpful material for them.
no because these niches are already filled
gw could support itself with just articles if it had tons and tons of very unique interesting articles, which i think is what it's working towards, but guess what that takes some time and effort to make it happen, you're asking gw to try to become a clone of what it was before which it doesn't want to be anymore
there was no reason to bump this topic but w/e if it's back i'll post in it
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Iji - Best Bejewelled remake ever 10/10 ~ gamespot.
The ones that make any money are all bejewelled remakes
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how much money did you make out of raimond ex, your bejewelled clone?
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i was playing the bejewelled clone Within a Deep Forest recently. I prefer regular bejewelled, though...
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This is a really ridiculous arguement, either way all of the people here are bantering about if games are better if their made with ___________ or _________.
I mean c'mon, it's not like the 2 people here screaming over Bejeweled remakes will stop anyone from making another.
It's all a matter of opinion. But we all have to learn that our opinion doesn't matter. (or does it?!)
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no because these niches are already filled
gw could support itself with just articles if it had tons and tons of very unique interesting articles, which i think is what it's working towards, but guess what that takes some time and effort to make it happen, you're asking gw to try to become a clone of what it was before which it doesn't want to be anymore
there was no reason to bump this topic but w/e if it's back i'll post in it
*Is lookig for an argument*
On the internet there can never be too much on a certain topic, and each place has its own little gems that are available nowhere else. Vell, you cannot speak for the entire forum. I miss some of the old stuff but I'm not trying to force this place to go backwards. But consider keeping a bit of the past here as we go forward- t I suppose in some ways we are- Nessiah's work for example.
The ONE has a point, too- sometimes you can only get attention by focusing on being the best in a specific field , be it watches (Rolex) Cars (Jaguar?) or motorcycles (Harley). I'm not saying we aren't good- I like this place- but we might lose some "customers" if they can go somewhere else. Just saying- I am nostalgic for the past but I know time moves forward- but we don't have to leave ALL of the past behind.