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Title: photos nsfw (56 beware >.<)
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 11, 2009, 08:14:10 am
This place is pretty dead and I have a feeling this topic is going to sink like obama’s approval rating but maybe some of you guys are interested?

does anyone here know anything about photography? i’m actually kinda curious if you guys have fave photographers aside from like ANSEL ADAMS or something

my exposure to photography is mainly based on asian photographers, mostly japan. I don’t know if this is because that’s what most of my friends are inspired by and talk about and buy books about, or because photography basically IS japan nowadays (pretty much every major photo company is japanese (canon Nikon sony mamiya yashica Olympus etc etc) save for a few other well known ones like leica or carl zeiss)

my biggest inspiration is probably nobuyoshi araki, and even though I’m pretty much lightyears away from his photos (mainly because I don’t have naked women posing in ropes) he’s pretty much everything I wish I could be, but I know I won’t.  there’s a picture of him in my avatar.
He’s a pretty fucked up dude. I’d say he probably went a lil crazy after his wife died, where he took pictures of her (dead, see below) and that’s probably when all his photos started being of naked jap women

araki's dead wife
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8599/araki01.jpg)

Heres some photos he did of bjork

(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8247/araki1.jpg)


(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2462/bjorkisharaki24.jpg)

Lady gaga

(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7770/ladygagaarakivhj56.jpg)


(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6447/ladygagaarakivhj261.jpg)

Self portrait

(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2277/arakinobuyoshi.jpg)

Some more photos

(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3368/araki21.jpg)


(http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/3368/araki12hn7.jpg)

(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8481/bradley528084.jpg)


(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5990/nobuyoshiaraki.jpg)


here are a few good images by Manabu Yamanaka. He started off by taking photos of homeless people in 1989 and ever since has been taking photos of people on the margins of society, especially the physically deformed and elderly. these might be a lil disturbing

(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5972/e6567d06ee24091810980.jpg)


(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8236/3aa5c483c524091810749.jpg)


(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/2131/junolee2109701283646.jpg)


(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/570/myhomeless.gif)


Haruto hoshi takes photos in a really captivating style in major cities, I don’t really know much about him but I like his photos. he has a lot of really honest portrayals of urban life and he's pretty amazing at capturing the right moments.

(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6549/96398728.jpg)


(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7471/hoshi3gallery.jpg)


(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6619/hoshi12gallery.jpg)


(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6449/hoshi18gallery.jpg)


Avedon is pretty much just fucking amazing. He revolutionized fashion photography in every way and has taken pictures of everyone you like. Seriously. He’s one of the most original photographers I’ve ever seen. i suggest checking out his website, he's taken pictures of picasso, the beatles, aldous huxley, william burroughs allen ginsberg and pretty much anyone famous ever.

bob dylan
(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/8730/artworkimages1170844543.jpg)


burroughs
(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/8066/williamburroughs.jpg)


(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/8098/avedon1.gif)


(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/818/avedonobama.jpg)


(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5428/richardavedonmarilyn.jpg)


(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5026/richardavedon1188215126.jpg)



These are probably the most powerful images in this topic.  Nhem En was an ordinary guy who was assigned under pol pot to photograph incoming prisoners at prison “s-21” in Cambodia. He had almost no previous training to photography.

Here are a few words he said

"I saw the suffering of prisoners who were arrested and tortured with electricity. This is beyond what I thought of. If they tied me and whipped me to get me to confess that I was a thief, I would say that I am a thief because I could not bear such torturing. As far as I know, out of 1,000 people there were two or three of them [who ][/who]. I say this because some from my village, who arrived here with me, were arrested and charged with being the enemy. As they could not endure the torture, they confessed that they were enemies.
It was difficult to take pictures of the newcomers who were blindfolded and tied up when they were leaving the truck. Sometimes they arrived in chains. Sometimes we got reprimanded; for example, if we took a picture of A and the photo was not good and A was already killed, then we were charged as the enemy. In here, if we did not carefully do our jobs we could not escape from being jailed or stopped from working.
If the photos of the important people, such as the KGB, were not taken well, then the photographer would be in difficulty. They were looking for CIA, KGB and the invaders.”


(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2834/s210121.jpg)


(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8549/s210137.jpg)


(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6205/s210169.jpg)


(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7648/s210194.jpg)


(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2866/s210196.jpg)


(http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9716/s210199.jpg)


(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1433/s210203.jpg)



so uh, discuss and post some photos you guys like. if you like these i could post more photographers i like


Title: photos nsfw (56 beware >.<)
Post by: im_so_tired on December 11, 2009, 08:34:59 am
Hey I appreciate this topic, I'll post somethings in it later. When I am less of a ded man typing
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Post by: Frisky SKeleton on December 11, 2009, 08:49:13 pm
point and click art. motion picture is better by approximately 24 times a second
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Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on December 11, 2009, 08:54:33 pm
That is disgusting.

Why did you have to post a nude photo of Lady Gaga.
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Post by: JMickle on December 11, 2009, 09:04:51 pm
some of these are good. the weird guy at the start is a bit hard to appreciate myself, though. The bjork ones are good, but the rest are a bit hm.

the burroughs twiggy and marilyn monroe ones are very very awesome. i like that guy.
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Post by: Frisky SKeleton on December 11, 2009, 09:15:48 pm
yeah that madonna one is excellent
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Post by: Lyndon on December 11, 2009, 09:20:33 pm
(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/8066/williamburroughs.jpg)

this one is my favourite
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Post by: Beasley on December 11, 2009, 09:42:15 pm
whats up with ansel adams anyway

im not being a dick but for the renown he has amassed i simply do not see the artistic merit
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Post by: im_so_tired on December 11, 2009, 09:50:53 pm
whats up with ansel adams anyway

im not being a dick but for the renown he has amassed i simply do not see the artistic merit

i think he was mocking gaming w's artistic brow-level.
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Post by: Parker on December 11, 2009, 10:48:26 pm
is that a fish going into a vagina?
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Post by: thecatamites on December 12, 2009, 12:05:54 am
I know nothing about photography but I remember seeing some stuff from Albert Renger-Patzsch and liking it a lot for some reason (probably some gross nerdy one to do with austere patterns or something)

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/phomul.canalblog.com/42.jpeg)             (https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/images.artnet.com/artwork_images_115950_424618_albert-renger-patzsch.jpeg) (http://pub.gamingw.net/56304/AlbertRenger-PatzschGlassesc1927.jpg)

also Lewis Hines. apparantly he was a social worker dude so I'm not sure how well he does as a straight up photographer but I like some of them (some others are kinda too worthy for me but I guess this is a consequence of photographing child labour).

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/iconicphotos.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/glimpse-jpg.jpeg)

and August Sander who is apparantly a big guy in photoland although I'm not sure if I really.........'get' him heh or if it's just historical interest or whatever. I like his portraits though.

(http://laboiteaimages.blog.lemonde.fr/files/2009/10/artwork_images_901_386994_august-sander.1255973692.jpg) (https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/smarthistory.org/assets/images/images/Sander_Pastry%20Cook_1928.jpeg)


These are basically the only photographers I know. Also did anyone else see Avedon's name and immediately think of that HK post?
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 12, 2009, 12:09:17 am
 those Araki photos are pretty boring and that whole fish-pussy/dick-mouth/roped up japanese women bullshit is pretty awful.

it's so... bourgeois :sport:
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 12, 2009, 12:11:18 am
*splatters some paint, ties up lady gaga in the nude, and takes some pics*
yup here's my art, this is how i am expressing myself
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 12, 2009, 12:13:25 am
hey bjork could you take your sandals off and stand right here and look over there... OK there we gooooo
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Post by: Carrion Crow on December 12, 2009, 12:16:22 am
I actually like the gaga a lot. I love her music.
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 12, 2009, 12:18:01 am
I actually like the gaga a lot. I love her music.
awesome bro
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Post by: crone_lover720 on December 12, 2009, 01:29:16 am
so why do you like these pictures? what do you think makes any particular one of them good? can you put it to words?

I don't know much about photography besides what little I saw in my most recent art history class, like Andres Serrano (Piss Christ guy http://www.artnet.com/artist/15342/andres-serrano.html). There were some cool early photographs from when they were still developing the trade but I don't remember them off the top of my head. besides that I don't really appreciate much photography. a lot of it's like, arts and crafts, dA fanart level. I bet there are some really good photographs that I haven't seen tho

i think he was mocking gaming w's artistic brow-level.
he has no right, with the level of his artistic brow

this is a good idea for a topic. also reminds me that I still haven't made my architecture thread
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Post by: Frisky SKeleton on December 12, 2009, 01:47:26 am
i love the lady gaga ones. it seems rather serious but it is splatterings emanating from a nude woman
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Post by: Mince Wobley on December 12, 2009, 01:50:21 am
Quote
[/img]http://pub.gamingw.net/56304/AlbertRenger-PatzschGlassesc1927.jpg[/img]

Wow this picture is so interesting how do they come up with those crazy original ideas?
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Post by: Parker on December 12, 2009, 02:02:56 am
PHOTOGRAPHY IS JUST A FORM OF PLAGIARISM
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Post by: ThugTears666 on December 12, 2009, 03:16:20 am
whats the artistic merit of a cock being forced into a mouth
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Post by: Frisky SKeleton on December 12, 2009, 03:37:22 am
i'll show you
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Post by: Carrion Crow on December 12, 2009, 03:51:48 am
depends how far it goes in
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Post by: ThugTears666 on December 12, 2009, 04:02:43 am
i'll show you

obvious joke

-1 respect point
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Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 12, 2009, 04:08:52 am
those Araki photos are pretty boring and that whole fish-pussy/dick-mouth/roped up japanese women bullshit is pretty awful.

it's so... bourgeois :sport:

"art"

Quote
*splatters some paint, ties up lady gaga in the nude, and takes some pics*
yup here's my art, this is how i am expressing myself

my 5 year old nephew could do better
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Post by: crone_lover720 on December 12, 2009, 04:47:29 am
respond to the non-troll posts
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Post by: crone_lover720 on December 12, 2009, 04:51:14 am
"art"

my 5 year old nephew could do better
save phrases like this for real shit like mondrian, basquiat and pollock, not that garbage
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Post by: Frisky SKeleton on December 12, 2009, 10:14:27 am
obvious joke

-1 respect point

what are your lending rates on respect points?
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Post by: Frisky SKeleton on December 12, 2009, 10:20:01 am
A POUND OF FLESH???
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Post by: ThugTears666 on December 12, 2009, 10:46:39 am
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5990/nobuyoshiaraki.jpg)

just want to point this out again
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 12, 2009, 11:41:36 am
"art"

my 5 year old nephew could do better
lol you're completely missing the point.

I'm not saying it's not art, I'm saying that it's completely boring garbage kinda like hirst
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 12, 2009, 11:48:27 am
i am right about everything
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Post by: Lyndon on December 12, 2009, 03:37:58 pm
I don't really like the obviously staged photographs, the fish one, the lady gaga and the asian girls tied up. I'm not really into that. But I like the portrait photographs that caputure something bold in the character. I don't really know much about still photography other than what looks aesthetically interesting compositionally and also having content that I can relate to on some human level.

I'm more interested in cinematography though, Roger Deakins, Jordan Cronenweth and Sacha Vierny are probably my favourites.
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Post by: Carrion Crow on December 12, 2009, 03:43:41 pm
I just like photographs of architecture, machinery and railways. Might have something to do with the part of my brain that managed to talk me into studying engineering.
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Post by: crone_lover720 on December 12, 2009, 05:43:29 pm
lol you're completely missing the point.

I'm not saying it's not art, I'm saying that it's completely boring garbage kinda like hirst
hirst is better than that guy tho and hirst is just awful

magazine photoshoots and uninspired deviant art level pics

granted I don't know the time period he was doing this shit but since it's mixed in with lady gaga I assumed it was pretty recent. he's like a wannabe Robert Mapplethorpe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mapplethorpe
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/www.criticarte.com/Images/Images2004/RobertMapplethorpe.Elliot.jpeg) combined sorta with the superflat idea of representing japanese fetishism except without any self awareness or irony
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Post by: Mince Wobley on December 12, 2009, 05:52:01 pm
If you're talking about damien hirst I disagree I think he's cool
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Post by: crone_lover720 on December 12, 2009, 05:54:43 pm
lol:
Quote
Common subjects [of mapplethorpe's] include flowers, especially orchids and calla lilies; celebrities, including Andy Warhol, Deborah Harry, Richard Gere, Peter Gabriel, Grace Jones, and Patti Smith (a Patti Smith portrait[4] from 1986 recalls Albrecht Dürer's 1500 self-portrait[5])
ya well I got bjork and lady gaga
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Post by: Bobberticus on December 12, 2009, 05:58:04 pm
photography is swell, but pretty much none of the shit in this thread.

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/8066/williamburroughs.jpg
except that one m,aybe
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 12, 2009, 08:16:54 pm
If you're talking about damien hirst I disagree I think he's cool
i don't care
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Post by: Allen Hunter on December 12, 2009, 08:32:29 pm
Quote
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8481/bradley528084.jpg)
mmmmmmmmm.... :)
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Post by: Verne on December 12, 2009, 08:44:40 pm
help my monitor lost all the colour
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Post by: Mince Wobley on December 12, 2009, 08:50:18 pm
i don't care

Well maybe if you were important enough someone would say that they don't care about you in an internet forum too
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Post by: Marmot on December 12, 2009, 09:34:23 pm
hey guys i heard theres a really good photograpghy website its called tnaflix.com waaaarning nsfw toomany spoilers
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Post by: jamie on December 12, 2009, 10:08:41 pm
mmmmmmmmm.... :)

seconded...very appetizing..

daddy like.

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Post by: Barack Obama on December 13, 2009, 03:37:58 am
Well maybe if you were important enough someone would say that they don't care about you in an internet forum too
maybe.... one day
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Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 13, 2009, 03:40:39 am
photography is swell, but pretty much none of the shit in this thread.

lol

i've got something here you might like, it's a little more "modern"

(http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/3968/41728770490ac4cd0136b.jpg)

also Lewis Hines. apparantly he was a social worker dude so I'm not sure how well he does as a straight up photographer but I like some of them (some others are kinda too worthy for me but I guess this is a consequence of photographing child labour).

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/iconicphotos.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/glimpse-jpg.jpeg)

oh i really like this, thanks.

earl: what do you want me to reply to? there's no point responding to someone like dietcoke because he's already got his opinion formed and it's not my job to make him like a photo. if you want i could write up why i like a particular picture but that would also be pretty pointless. seriously if you guys hate these photographs i'd really like to see what you think of the whole yale photography school's banality themes nowadays. i get the feeling that most people here are just into flashy photography, but i honestly didn't expect much more. i was just posting photos i like.
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Post by: Frisky SKeleton on December 13, 2009, 03:50:00 am
i like that steam engine VIVID COLOUR but it looks rendered
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Post by: im_so_tired on December 13, 2009, 05:16:17 am
one of my friends studying photography really like these two photographers stephen shore
(http://passurlalune.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/sshore_landscape490px.png)

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/05/17/arts/shore.450.1.jpeg)

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/photodevoto.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/stefen-shore-michael-and-sa.jpeg)

and william eggleston
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/www.kultureflash.net/archive/104/images/torchcafe.jpeg)

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/whitemencantblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/william-eggleston2.jpeg)

(http://www.artknowledgenews.com/files2007a/WilliamEgglestonUntitled.jpg)

i think both these dudes are pretty old school.

and i saw this photo that i liked by dan torop
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/dantorop.info/project/snowbound/glass.jpeg)
i think both these dudes are pretty old school.
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Post by: Frisky SKeleton on December 13, 2009, 05:31:23 am
i think both those dudes are pretty old school.

i like em. rather sick of photos using black and white and doing nothing with them.

i think both those dudes are pretty old school.
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Post by: crone_lover720 on December 13, 2009, 05:36:07 am
are those faux vintage? if so I hate them but if not then they're Visually Pleasing and more importantly they create an atmosphere

edit: I just saw the date: 1971. this is the real deal guys.


earl: what do you want me to reply to? there's no point responding to someone like dietcoke because he's already got his opinion formed and it's not my job to make him like a photo. if you want i could write up why i like a particular picture but that would also be pretty pointless. seriously if you guys hate these photographs i'd really like to see what you think of the whole yale photography school's banality themes nowadays. i get the feeling that most people here are just into flashy photography, but i honestly didn't expect much more. i was just posting photos i like.
why would it be pointless? it'd be pretty cool if you're a photographer and you love photography and you're making a topic about photography, that you'd be able to say what you think makes a particular photograph good. and part of the reason I'm asking is because I kind of doubt that you can. I realize that people who aren't trained in artistic analysis can't just sit down and write detailed essays about a work of art, but you should still be able to give some sort of reason why you think this araki guy's photos are so good that you call him your idol. maybe you have a really good reason I'm missing? after you didn't answer I was trying to troll you into making a rebuttal, but just because they're "trolls" doesn't make them valid points. I am making valid points why the things you like are bad now respond

specifically the first guy actually, the rest of them are at least pretty alright except maybe the cityshots person
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Post by: Parker on December 13, 2009, 05:47:02 am
my favorite photographer (i'm not gonna pretend i know much about photography) is http://wvs.topleftpixel.com/
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Post by: crone_lover720 on December 13, 2009, 05:52:44 am
here is some really cool stuff that I guess can be considered photography http://home.f01.itscom.net/spiral/research.html

it's only been mentioned on GW twice before and last time esiann made a good joke about child neglect.
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Post by: Ragnar on December 13, 2009, 06:10:27 am
here is some really cool stuff that I guess can be considered photography http://home.f01.itscom.net/spiral/research.html

it's only been mentioned on GW twice before and last time esiann made a good joke about child neglect.

that's kind of cool but is everyone on the internet obsessed with photos of abandoned places or what? Is it because of Silent Hill or something. I've just noticed this and I wonder if it means anything psychologically

I saw these like two days ago I think they're pretty funky

http://www.hemmy.net/2008/03/12/kids-drawing-reenacted-using-professional-photography/

for some reason it reminds me of michel gondry but less fucking hipster as fuck
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Post by: Frisky SKeleton on December 13, 2009, 06:38:33 am
abandoned places rock
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Post by: crone_lover720 on December 13, 2009, 06:50:51 am
those are pretty cool ragnar. and idk I've never payed silent hill. some of them remind me of valve stuff but they're mostly just neat places I wish I could explore myself
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Post by: Ragnar on December 13, 2009, 07:04:13 am
I didn't mean to single you out sometimes it just seems on like everyone on the internet enjoys that particular subject matter like do they parallel internet itself with some weird abandoned place you can explore or what?? Also not just photography I'm pretty sure lots of people are hardcore into going to places like this and exploring for real right?
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Post by: Brown on December 13, 2009, 10:29:49 am
yes ragnar I love going into to places like those and exploring for real.
On a more serious note than my previous note, it is true abandoned places are appealing to those that are depressed and like to escape to the internet. NOT LIKE ME THOUGHH ;_;

Some awesome modern photographs are here. (http://www.stuckincustoms.com/10-principles-of-beautiful-photography/) Apparently the dude talks about HDR which stands for High Dynamic Range. A tutorial can be found >>>> http://www.stuckincustoms.com/hdr-tutorial/
I would try it but im just gonna stick to photoshop
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Post by: Allen Hunter on December 13, 2009, 11:39:05 am
seconded...very appetizing..

daddy like.


you gotta love tit bondage
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 13, 2009, 01:53:15 pm
are those faux vintage? if so I hate them but if not then they're Visually Pleasing and more importantly they create an atmosphere

edit: I just saw the date: 1971. this is the real deal guys.
why would it be pointless? it'd be pretty cool if you're a photographer and you love photography and you're making a topic about photography, that you'd be able to say what you think makes a particular photograph good. and part of the reason I'm asking is because I kind of doubt that you can. I realize that people who aren't trained in artistic analysis can't just sit down and write detailed essays about a work of art, but you should still be able to give some sort of reason why you think this araki guy's photos are so good that you call him your idol. maybe you have a really good reason I'm missing? after you didn't answer I was trying to troll you into making a rebuttal, but just because they're "trolls" doesn't make them valid points. I am making valid points why the things you like are bad now respond

specifically the first guy actually, the rest of them are at least pretty alright except maybe the cityshots person

All trolling aside, I'm pretty much in agreement here. I have a friend who got her parents to buy her an expensive camera her freshmen year of college and since then she's been little miss photographer and is into all this kinda shit, I specifically remember the Araki guy because she had one of his books and we got into a friendly argument about this guy. My biggest issue with him is that I'm not convinced he's entirely sincere about his message and I'm almost positive that he's a sleazy opportunist using the guise of art. And if it is legit, what purpose does it serve? Here's a man who's wife died of cancer and he's spiraled down into taking photos of himself having sex with immigrant prostitutes all tied up. Any social criticism that could have been being made with his art ends right there and they become an openly sexist display of a man profiting from his domination of sex workers in a rigidly patriarchal society. Why should this be tolerated let alone admired? What may appear to be cosmopolitan sexual decadence flying in the face of the morals of the older generation, becomes a pretty ugly display of exploitation and complacent participation once you scratch the surface.

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Post by: im_so_tired on December 13, 2009, 06:32:25 pm
well said

didn't know that about araki. that's really fucked up. why is he popular? why is this cool?
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Post by: Marge on December 13, 2009, 10:07:35 pm
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/phomul.canalblog.com/42.jpeg)

This photograph is good.
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 13, 2009, 10:10:38 pm
didn't know that about araki. that's really fucked up. why is he popular? why is this cool?
Well I was referring to only one particular set of photos he did, and the vast majority of his work does not involve his participation in sex acts with tied up young immigrant prostitutes.

I've been told that his work should be considered as a whole, but even if you do I don't think it's anything to be celebrated considering that it pretty much amounts to an uncritical slideshow of fetishes, sex workers, and a general glossing over of a lot of the ugly realities involved in a lot of the subject matter covered by him.

it's a celebration of the status quo, and I can see why that would appeal to a lot of people.
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Post by: Mince Wobley on December 13, 2009, 10:27:04 pm
This photograph is good.

The beauty of i beams....


Can anyone explain photography theory so maybe I and other people can understand what you guys think is so amazing about those boring mostly gray pictures
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Post by: Ragnar on December 13, 2009, 10:27:49 pm
lol sorry two things internet people really like abandoned places and HIGH DYNAMIC RANGE

actually that one page is pretty cool but some of it ends up incredibly cheap and bad they make Angkor Wat look like a stage from Snake Eater. I'd like to know some examples from magazine ads and stuff though because it seems like something that could be put to great effect when people are actually /subtle/ with it. Like the Christmas tree picture would make a perfect ad in a magazine but then the church (mosque?) two pictures down is totally fucking Zelda 64

or actually someone commented it looks like 300, that one picture of Angkor Wat. Either that or metal gears

not that it's not an interesting technology it just totally seems like the visual equivalent of auto-tune. And a lot of the photos that are nice seem like they'd be really nice untreated and I'd really have to see side-by-side
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Post by: Marge on December 13, 2009, 10:30:07 pm
This photograph is good.

I suddenly realized that all the time I just spent reading the "how long is your dick" topic I could've spent watching this awesome photo. One of Afura's percussion videos was okay but that really doesn't help.

Mince, all you need some sense of visual aesthetics, basics of art interpretation and some intellect (you know, little abstract thinking, that sort of stuff). And an interest and openness of course. But you should be okay with that. Not that knowing the specific field (like photography), art history and that sort of stuff wouldn't help and enhance your ability to enjoy it, but those basics should be enough.
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Post by: Mince Wobley on December 13, 2009, 10:48:21 pm
Well can you write a short paragraph about why you like that picture?
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Post by: Ragnar on December 13, 2009, 11:06:59 pm
hi I like this picture lol

http://www.planet-mu.com/image/discography/ZIQ200.jpg
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Post by: Marge on December 13, 2009, 11:26:13 pm
The first and most important thing is that it keeps puzzling me. I keep looking at it and it takes my eyes from one point to another and never ends up anywhere. Most pictures, bad ones and good ones, have a focal point, this one looks like it should have (it's not just random noise) but I just can't find it. Then there's the levelled feeling of the photo. It could be just five 2D layers on top of each other, there's no continuous sense of perspective there. I also like the bluntness of it. It just hits you with a bunch of metal, no real contrast, the whole area of the photo is filled with it's substance, there's no surrounding niceties to make you feel welcome. You can of course take a shitty photo that is similarly blunt, but when you manage to get the photo to work, be somehow interesting, and still plain and hard like that it enhances it, makes the point hit harder.


Someone mentioned Robert Mapplethorpe, I googled him and found lots of penises and this:
(http://www.artphotogallery.org/artphotogallery/database/mapplethorpe07.jpg)
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Post by: Mince Wobley on December 13, 2009, 11:47:36 pm
Well I think photos are only good if they're interesting but maybe that's because I don't understand a lot of art theory
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Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 14, 2009, 12:23:10 am
Well I think photos are only good if they're interesting but maybe that's because I don't understand a lot of art theory

that is probably why.

what do you think of this photo?

(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3884/c9a160e5615ebb75026fe99.jpg)

it's by Andreas Gursky, photographer of the most expensive print ever sold (3+ million).

yes ragnar I love going into to places like those and exploring for real.
On a more serious note than my previous note, it is true abandoned places are appealing to those that are depressed and like to escape to the internet. NOT LIKE ME THOUGHH ;_;

Some awesome modern photographs are here. (http://www.stuckincustoms.com/10-principles-of-beautiful-photography/) Apparently the dude talks about HDR which stands for High Dynamic Range. A tutorial can be found >>>> http://www.stuckincustoms.com/hdr-tutorial/
I would try it but im just gonna stick to photoshop


HDR is fucking terrible 99.9% of the time it's used. Including in pretty much every photo of that link. HDR is the metal of the photography world. Actually that's a pretty bad comparison but it's usually used by amateurs who think it looks SICK but really it's employed really awfully almost all the time. the image i posted before was an HDR image and i posted that mockingly. I used to think HDR was cool too when I didn't know anything about photography though.

here's another hdr photo picked at random from flickr to show you why it's terrible ESPECIALLY when it's done tastelessly

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/farm5.static.flickr.com/4009/4182330551_a6e63698f9.jpeg)


Well I was referring to only one particular set of photos he did, and the vast majority of his work does not involve his participation in sex acts with tied up young immigrant prostitutes.

I've been told that his work should be considered as a whole, but even if you do I don't think it's anything to be celebrated considering that it pretty much amounts to an uncritical slideshow of fetishes, sex workers, and a general glossing over of a lot of the ugly realities involved in a lot of the subject matter covered by him.

it's a celebration of the status quo, and I can see why that would appeal to a lot of people.

Earl: This pretty much summarizes what I do love about araki. fyi I have never seen/heard of the set where he was actually sexually involved with his subjects, and i do find that to be pretty disgusting, but what i was referring to was his photos where he uh, doesn't sexually abuse (I don't even know what to call it in this case) his subjects.  the only thing I knew was where in one interview he said that if his model is naked he is always naked, too.

on the subject of naked subjects/bondage etc in general: if you look at japan's history, most of the artwork dealt heavily with sexuality (called "shunga") where woodblocks were painted with scenes of old tokyo's pleasure/entertainment district, and they would be considered pretty explicit by the standards of western art of the same era. and even if you can trace back the art back to days of shunga, what is impressive is that he could get international recognition and how thematically universal it is.

what i like about araki is that he likes sex (yes, like all of us), but he isn't afraid to admit it. he uses his choice of medium to express what is natural to almost all of us, yet what we all try and keep repressed in society. especially with his rope/bondage themes - there is basically no trace of fetish in today's society save for the underground circles, and he has the courage to bring it out and publicize it. Even though i'm not into that, I am really appreciative of the work he does. 

it's also pretty refreshing to see a photographer who goes against the tide and is completely indifferent to all the negative criticism associated with him. As a photographer it's interesting because he pretty much breaks all the rules of photography in terms of the subjective aesthetic view of composition. although it's done a lot more now with more contemporary photographers he's pretty much one of the first to do so.
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Post by: Mince Wobley on December 14, 2009, 12:40:14 am
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what do you think of this photo?

A million times better than a picture of an i-beam or a bunch of glasses or a picture of gray
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Post by: Marge on December 14, 2009, 05:07:52 pm
what i like about araki is that he likes sex (yes, like all of us), but he isn't afraid to admit it. he uses his choice of medium to express what is natural to almost all of us, yet what we all try and keep repressed in society. especially with his rope/bondage themes - there is basically no trace of fetish in today's society save for the underground circles, and he has the courage to bring it out and publicize it. Even though i'm not into that, I am really appreciative of the work he does.

In this you, and apparently this Araki guy too, are a few dozen years behind your time. In case you haven't noticed, sex, and even the fetishish side of sex, is leaking through pretty much everywhere from ads to entertainment to science to art.
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Post by: Parker on December 14, 2009, 08:11:17 pm
In this you, and apparently this Araki guy too, are a few dozen years behind your time. In case you haven't noticed, sex, and even the fetishish side of sex, is leaking through pretty much everywhere from ads to entertainment to science to art.
I believe I saw a Pistachio commercial yesterday involving a dominatrix. During an NFL game.
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Post by: Parker on December 14, 2009, 08:12:52 pm
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3884/c9a160e5615ebb75026fe99.jpg)
also, i believe i took this same picture when i was 3 at my great grandma's house in California.
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Post by: Frisky SKeleton on December 14, 2009, 08:32:00 pm
yeah i think the only stuff still underground is illegal.

that HDR stuff looks really cheesy
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Post by: crone_lover720 on December 14, 2009, 09:50:19 pm
that's true. why isn't he photographing diapers and poop? think about it. (it's not illegal)

and also like I said before, mapplethorpe did bondage (homosexual bondage even) etc when it was still actually UNDERGROUND and shocking to the public. now we have suicide girls. I caught a few seconds of an old desperate housewives bdsm scene set to the show's quirky score. I don't think bondage or prostitution have been taboo ever in my lifetime. you could possibly say he's just representing his reality and not trying to be innovative in individual pictures tho, that could possibly be true
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Post by: crone_lover720 on December 14, 2009, 09:55:36 pm
I'd really like to see a totally serious, grungy mapplethorpe-style scene except with an old guy in a diaper. hanging in a gallery
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Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 15, 2009, 07:08:13 am
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/12/2009_in_photos_part_1_of_3.html


http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/

that site in general is really really good for photojournalistic images
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Post by: Parker on December 15, 2009, 07:58:57 am
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/12/2009_in_photos_part_1_of_3.html
that site in general is really really good for photojournalistic images
Some really nice pictures there.
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Post by: Marge on December 15, 2009, 07:12:31 pm
Yeah, great link.
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Post by: Mama Luigi on December 15, 2009, 08:11:37 pm
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HDR is fucking terrible 99.9% of the time it's used. Including in pretty much every photo of that link.
And who the fuck are you?

HDR imaging is as valid of a photographic style as - say - black and white, but it needs to be done tastefully... which I agree most of the time it is not. Also many amateurs make the mistake of taking otherwise boring scenes or poorly composed shots and trying to make them look cool via tonal compression. They're missing the point.

David Hill does some of the most brilliant HDR imaging work I've ever seen... though I think he also composites some of his images as well. Here's a taste:

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/farm3.static.flickr.com/2456/3771939437_ae96b43507_o.png)

(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3022/davehill1.jpg)

(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9210/davehill2.jpg)

Love love love his work. David Hill's website. (http://www.davehillphoto.com)

A friend showed me these photos (http://ziza.es/2007/07/23/La_vida_de_vagabundos_americanos_42_fotos.html/) a while back... what fascinating people... what great captures.
Here are a few to entice you to click link (NSFW ads).

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/dl.ziza.ru/other/072007/23/polaroidkidd/08_polaroidkidd_91883.jpeg)

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/dl.ziza.ru/other/072007/23/polaroidkidd/05_polaroidkidd_67522.jpeg)

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/dl.ziza.ru/other/072007/23/polaroidkidd/38_polaroidkidd_130021.jpeg)

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/dl.ziza.ru/other/072007/23/polaroidkidd/03_polaroidkidd_89893.jpeg)

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/dl.ziza.ru/other/072007/23/polaroidkidd/15_polaroidkidd_99385.jpeg)

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/dl.ziza.ru/other/072007/23/polaroidkidd/23_polaroidkidd_127725.jpeg)

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/dl.ziza.ru/other/072007/23/polaroidkidd/31_polaroidkidd_133537.jpeg)

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/dl.ziza.ru/other/072007/23/polaroidkidd/34_polaroidkidd_93711.jpeg)
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Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 15, 2009, 08:45:13 pm
And who the fuck are you?

lol, pretty much any real photographer knows that HDR is shit 99% of the time. notice how i say 99%, because there is the 1% chance that it IS done tastefully. it's pretty much a technique that gets amateurs/people who aren't really versed with photography to go "wow~~" because it's so different and go ahead and push all the knobs to the extreme. I don't know why you're asking me that when you yourself just agreed with everything i said.

yeah, i'm a fan of some david hill. I don't think he really uses too much HDR, but he does edit his photos VERY heavily. I saw some tutorials on how to get the effect he does, most of his photos are composites of a bunch of different images.

on the note of heavily edited photographs...

http://www.joeyl.com/

this guy is really good, too. it's kind of mind-blowing that he's only 19 years old and already working with companies like warner bros to take images for twilight. his older stuff in his portfolio isn't that good, but his photos have been getting exponentially better as he posts more things.
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Post by: Ragnar on December 15, 2009, 09:14:02 pm
David Hill

yeah I wasn't saying HDR doesn't have a use, those pictures definitely use it the right way but like I said it reminds me of auto-tune, when it is used properly in advertisements and stuff you probably wouldn't be able to pick it out, and when the technology is obvious enough to recognize it it's fucking annoying, and makes you kind of wish the technology wasn't available
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Post by: crone_lover720 on December 15, 2009, 09:17:34 pm
And who the fuck are you?

HDR imaging is as valid of a photographic style as - say - black and white, but it needs to be done tastefully... which I agree most of the time it is not. Also many amateurs make the mistake of taking otherwise boring scenes or poorly composed shots and trying to make them look cool via tonal compression. They're missing the point.

David Hill does some of the most brilliant HDR imaging work I've ever seen... though I think he also composites some of his images as well. Here's a taste:

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/farm3.static.flickr.com/2456/3771939437_ae96b43507_o.png)

(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3022/davehill1.jpg)

(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9210/davehill2.jpg)
if some of the earlier photos in this thread were garbage then these are dung. *strolls in thread* "yeah, well who who the fuck are you to say HDR photos suck most of the time, you worthless subhuman fecal stillborn baby? HDR is fucking magnificent when done tastefully... check these babes out :fogetcool:​" *posts hollywood movie poster shit*
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gSUnvB1aFR0/SvJRVWy5hwI/AAAAAAAAELI/Xgb4O2WQrgs/s400/spagettPoster.jpg
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Post by: Frisky SKeleton on December 15, 2009, 09:30:23 pm
yeah all his stuff is cheesy as hell. is the point of HDR to make everything look airbrushed and fake??
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Post by: Cray on December 15, 2009, 09:38:26 pm
HDR looks like mostly every expensive company advertisement I've seen around here.
I like how it looks, so vibrant, but I guess most of its use is for commercial purposes...
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Post by: Parker on December 15, 2009, 09:39:56 pm
it looks like 300.
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 15, 2009, 09:47:46 pm
those HDR photos are some of the worst shit ever. lol ragnar is pretty spot on in comparing it to auto-tune, except it's more like lil wayne, kanye, or someone else obnoxious using autotune as opposed to someone fun like T-Pain.
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Post by: Lyndon on December 15, 2009, 09:50:22 pm
man I really really really dislike that HDR style. It's like if Michael Bay was an photographer. Absolutely no class, I would prefer to look at a well rendered painting.
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Post by: Ragnar on December 15, 2009, 10:05:25 pm
http://www.joeyl.com/

this guy is really good, too. it's kind of mind-blowing that he's only 19 years old and already working with companies like warner bros to take images for twilight. his older stuff in his portfolio isn't that good, but his photos have been getting exponentially better as he posts more things.

lol I thought the Twilight posters were even worse than the movie. It's so 'ooo look I can use light and shadow for dramatic effect'. I mean I don't hate it but I consider it the most middle-of-the-road thing ever. Reminds me of every CSI-type show where they have an ad with the whole cast standing dramatically in super-sleek crime lab. I did like the ATV picture though, it has a sense of adventure without feeling like a huge cliche like how many car ads have there been over the years I do think it's an accomplishment to feel even slightly original with things like that

uh a lot of this is realistic paintings but some of it is composites of photos and stuff

http://www.as1projects.com/

some of it is just stupid/gross (otto von shirach) but I like how others have that URBAN feel (I mean the style that's popular now, I don't know what else to call it, more specifically think like Scion commercials) but doesn't feel cheesy at all and is pretty striking, would probably catch your eye even if it's just generic hip-hop album or something

I really don't know what to call that style at all, like urban scenes mixed with pop art/surreal feel but it's in every commercial at the moment/or at least recently. Also I see it on a lot of clothing

Edit: I'm really confused how much of it is realistic art vs. heavily altered photographs. Also most the photography is in flyers/albums
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Post by: dada on December 15, 2009, 10:10:15 pm
David Hill does some of the most brilliant HDR imaging work I've ever seen... though I think he also composites some of his images as well. Here's a taste:
I never quite got HDR. Photographers have been doing this kind of stuff for a long time, taking photos and then massively editing them in Photoshop. I can see why they'd want to use it, but the problem is that it often ends up completely ruining the light contrast. The point of HDR, after all, is to differentiate between areas with different luminosity and then reconcile them.

A well known Dutch photographer has done this sort of thing for a while now, well before HDR became a fad: http://www.ruudbaan.com/
You can love or hate this kind of stuff, but I gotta say that his work is pretty top of the bill as far as commercial/marketing photography goes. He's more than just the retouching gimmick alone, for what it's worth these days.

lol those HDR photos are some of the worst shit ever. lol ragnar is pretty spot on in comparing it to auto-tune, except it's more like lil wayne, kanye, or someone else obnoxious using autotune as opposed to someone fun like T-Pain.
Yes. This is it. The autotune of photography.
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Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 15, 2009, 10:26:39 pm
lol those HDR photos are some of the worst shit ever. lol ragnar is pretty spot on in comparing it to auto-tune, except it's more like lil wayne, kanye, or someone else obnoxious using autotune as opposed to someone fun like T-Pain.

i was trying to find a good comparison like metal music but this is perfect.

@ragnar: the only reason i like joey L is because i've been trying to get into studio lighting recently and it's pretty hard. it's impressive he's only 19 and so successful. i have no desire to take photos like him, though.
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Post by: Brown on December 15, 2009, 10:44:32 pm
yeah all his stuff is cheesy as hell. is the point of HDR to make everything look airbrushed and fake??

if you're talking about david hill i have to disagree with you. Mama Luigi posted some pieces from the advertising section of david hills website. check out his other stuff Im pretty sure you wont like it but at least you wont find everything cheesy
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Post by: Ragnar on December 15, 2009, 11:01:09 pm
i was trying to find a good comparison like metal music but this is perfect.

@ragnar: the only reason i like joey L is because i've been trying to get into studio lighting recently and it's pretty hard. it's impressive he's only 19 and so successful. i have no desire to take photos like him, though.

I was checking out the personal photos but I still don't like it. Some of them seemed like they could be in National Geographic/etc. but nothing really seemed very good other than people who'd be interesting people anyway. He manages to make real life look like a Tomb Raider movie or something

not that all photos have to be STARK but like every person on this page is so idealized you get the impression they think about movies/etc. constantly
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 15, 2009, 11:27:38 pm
if you're talking about david hill i have to disagree with you. Mama Luigi posted some pieces from the advertising section of david hills website. check out his other stuff Im pretty sure you wont like it but at least you wont find everything cheesy
it's all cheesy. When he's not doing ridiculous HDR advertisement photos, he's doing boring B&W portraits and landscapes. Artistically, it's the equivalent of a painting of a mountain or snowy forest you'd see hanging above a bed in a hotel room or in some kind of lobby.
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Post by: Ragnar on December 15, 2009, 11:34:29 pm
anybody else like the as1projects stuff or am I being blinded by my love of weird techno

Edit: I don't think David Hill is exactly like 300. I think it's more like Lost/CSI-vision

Edit: The word Lost looks so weird when you see it by itself/in big letters

Edit: lol this is pretty great though

http://mapsandlegends.dreamhosters.com/images/csi-nighthawks.jpg
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Post by: Sludgelord on December 16, 2009, 04:23:49 am
(http://a1.img.v4.skyrock.net/a10/ffm713/pics/1865113585_small_1.jpg)

If you hate HDR, then you hate these rapper dogs smoking pre-embargo Cubans and shuffling huge stacks of money and gold dubloons around a table. The line is drawn. It's time to choose your side.
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Post by: Carrion Crow on December 16, 2009, 04:35:42 am
(http://pub.gamingw.net/52348/garden.jpg)

(http://pub.gamingw.net/52348/hope_street.jpg)
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Post by: Mama Luigi on December 16, 2009, 09:23:46 pm
Whoa I leave for a day and this place turns into a shitstorm about HDR, haha. Okay, let's have a serious discussion about it then.

What is it that people don't like about HDR imaging? Is it only when it is fake looking/overcontrasty? I could easily understand distaste in that; but then I would argue coming from that perspective any photo modified to be an inaccurate representation of what really was should be equally scoffed at (ergo: black and white, sepia tone, etc). But I do not share this view: historically, we've always created artistic interpretations of our reality that include our emotions and feelings towards the subject matter.

The point of HDR in it's purest form is - yes - to reconcile the enormous range of light that our eye can see but the camera cannot capture in one shot. To capture the large range of light in a scene which contains bright brights and dark darks, it may be necessary to take 3 photos in succession which capture a different exposure. These photos are then merged to create the raw HDR image. A raw HDR photo should look no different than a LDR photo other than a better representation of light... closer to what our eyes can see (ergo less blown highlights and more detailed shadows). The problem? HDR displays are expensive... I think even a 37 inch HDR display is like $40,000... so we can't even currently look at these photos in their purest form in any meaningful way. HDR images contain far more detail that can't be seen on our screens!
The fanciful and unrealistic images we short-handedly call HDR are actually not HDR images. They are the result of an HDR photo being compressed to display properly on our LDR screens - and this compression process is where the creative liberty comes in regarding how the artist wants their photo to look. Some choose to make unrealistic representations of what they saw... some chose to make very accurate representations of what they saw in their viewfinder.


I accept that people have different tastes, but it disturbs me how some people act downright elitist and in my opinion it's rather deplorable.


It's aesthetically pleasing and dream-like - the colors are vivid and beautiful, and it reminds me of Legend of Zelda or something (I think someone pointed it out earlier). This photo isn't created by snapping a picture and auto-tuning it. I assure you a bit of work went into the creation of this light-art, having done some successful (and unsuccessful) HDR work myself. Is it a realistic representation of wherever that is? Of course not! Is this guy the next Leonardo Da Vinci? Hell no. I guess it just goes to show how wide availability of the tools have allowed your average person to create beautiful art.
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Post by: Lyndon on December 16, 2009, 09:44:01 pm
I think that colour correction and tweaking in photoshop or whatever is fine, I just don't like the style that makes the photograph look like a painting.
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Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 16, 2009, 10:01:23 pm
Whoa I leave for a day and this place turns into a shitstorm about HDR, haha. Okay, let's have a serious discussion about it then.

What is it that people don't like about HDR imaging? Is it only when it is fake looking/overcontrasty? I could easily understand distaste in that; but then I would argue coming from that perspective any photo modified to be an inaccurate representation of what really was should be equally scoffed at (ergo: black and white, sepia tone, etc). But I do not share this view: historically, we've always created artistic interpretations of our reality that include our emotions and feelings towards the subject matter.

The point of HDR in it's purest form is - yes - to reconcile the enormous range of light that our eye can see but the camera cannot capture in one shot. To capture the large range of light in a scene which contains bright brights and dark darks, it may be necessary to take 3 photos in succession which capture a different exposure. These photos are then merged to create the raw HDR image. A raw HDR photo should look no different than a LDR photo other than a better representation of light... closer to what our eyes can see (ergo less blown highlights and more detailed shadows). The problem? HDR displays are expensive... I think even a 37 inch HDR display is like $40,000... so we can't even currently look at these photos in their purest form in any meaningful way. HDR images contain far more detail that can't be seen on our screens!
The fanciful and unrealistic images we short-handedly call HDR are actually not HDR images. They are the result of an HDR photo being compressed to display properly on our LDR screens - and this compression process is where the creative liberty comes in regarding how the artist wants their photo to look. Some choose to make unrealistic representations of what they saw... some chose to make very accurate representations of what they saw in their viewfinder.


I accept that people have different tastes, but it disturbs me how some people act downright elitist and in my opinion it's rather deplorable.


It's aesthetically pleasing and dream-like - the colors are vivid and beautiful, and it reminds me of Legend of Zelda or something (I think someone pointed it out earlier). This photo isn't created by snapping a picture and auto-tuning it. I assure you a bit of work went into the creation of this light-art, having done some successful (and unsuccessful) HDR work myself. Is it a realistic representation of wherever that is? Of course not! Is this guy the next Leonardo Da Vinci? Hell no. I guess it just goes to show how wide availability of the tools have allowed your average person to create beautiful art.

tl;dr but you can tell they're HDR because there's haloing around the mountains, which is typical of badly done HDR

edit: they're completely harmless pictures though. i was just being a smartass, you can point out HDR images if they're not done correctly.
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Post by: crone_lover720 on December 16, 2009, 10:02:23 pm
that is a really funny post. since it's Mama Luigi posting it probably isn't meant to be a joke but it's still really good.

anyway I don't think anyone cares about hdr images like those 3 mountains you posted. hdr, a technology, isn't good or bad. it's the garish movie poster style images, like ones you posted at first, that we think are horrible. what you don't seem to get is that trying to achieve something, and putting a lot of time and effort into it, doesn't necessarily give it any artistic value. this is why someone said HDR is the Michael Bay version of photography. lots of money goes into his movies, and he's trying to achieve something, but his shit only ever has a really low-brow appeal. it's the same thing with the garbage you posted at the top of the page.
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Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 16, 2009, 10:05:39 pm
the point is that there is a difference between doing it tastefully (ie only aiming to correctly balance exposures in say, the background and foreground) rather than turning the knobs all the way and creating a terrible mess. and from what it looks like that you posted, you seem to prefer the latter.
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Post by: crone_lover720 on December 16, 2009, 10:25:36 pm
Here is an excellent photograph (sublime film, too):
(http://pub.gamingw.net/23836/tom_braider.jpg)
Not particularly my favourite photograph, per-se; nonetheless it is well within my top 10. Is it up there with the work of Jeff Koons? Heck no. Regardless, it's still very visually pleasing to me.
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Post by: Brown on December 16, 2009, 10:31:38 pm
thats a cheap shot haha. adding bloom effects to an already shitty poster.
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Post by: the bloddy ghost on December 17, 2009, 04:10:16 am

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/dl.ziza.ru/other/072007/23/polaroidkidd/31_polaroidkidd_133537.jpeg)


i like the sign he is holding.
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 17, 2009, 04:45:22 am
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I accept that people have different tastes, but it disturbs me how some people act downright elitist and in my opinion it's rather deplorable.
I think it all boils down to what you appreciate in art. I mean if you look at art as some sort of means to convey a message or self expression, some high-tech digitally enhanced boring photos are of little interest especially if they require some crazy expensive screen to fully appreciate.

If landscapes and shit is your jam because it reminds you of Zelda or whatever, then go for it. But if you think that shit's boring, enhancing the lighting ain't gonna make it anymore interesting.

applejacks: we eat what we like
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Post by: Ragnar on December 17, 2009, 06:34:10 am
yeah when I said it looked like Zelda I meant it in the worst possible way if only life could look like a videogam all the time

Edit: Also Tomb Raider movie came out in 2001 damn I feel fucking old
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Post by: Mama Luigi on December 17, 2009, 07:12:56 am
Different strokes for different folks I guess. It shocks me the hostility to HDR imaging though... when done realistically it basically overcomes the limits of our cameras and monitors by creating a more truer-to-life image. When done impressionistically yeah it's going to look unrealistic but then black and white isn't exactly realistic either. I understand that there used to be no choice in the matter but b&w is still popularly used as basically a post-processing filter today.

Also that Lara Croft photo is not HDR.
gw... no concept of studio lighting magic  :fogetnah:

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Post by: Marge on December 17, 2009, 02:49:58 pm
I guess it just goes to show how wide availability of the tools have allowed your average person to create beautiful art.

Art? It helps the average person create cool looking shiny pictures, which distracts him from learning to create art.

Also your comparison to b&w doesn't work. Our problem with HDR is not that it's unrealistic. Our problem with HDR is that I haven't seen it used to add to the artistic value of the photo or even to create aesthetically pleasing photos on any other level than "wow cool, stunning contrast, look at the details!"
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Post by: Cray on December 17, 2009, 04:00:18 pm
You guys are still arguing over this?
HDR is just a TOOL, and like any TOOL we use photogaphy or painting or music, it can be used to HELP people get the message we want them to see (or hear) or it can be used just to "enhance" the looks of it for no reason, or even be used to ruin a before good work.