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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: Barack Obama on January 14, 2010, 09:16:19 am
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An fps, on a console, or an mmo?
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solitaire
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seriously though, the only good answer i have to this are the original two fallout games(which aren't even that great)
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Yeah I might replay those but I want something new that I haven't played.
Also strategy games aren't allowed unless they're extremely good(better than civilization)
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Starcraft.
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There are actually a lot if you think about it. What have you played/beat and what specifically would you like to avoid aside from those listed?
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yeah, that's kinda my stumbling point with pc games because i don't really give a shit about most strategy games and that's what a lot of the pc-specific games end up being because a controller is completely unintuitive for a strategy game. they otherwise port fucking everything. the only one i've ever liked was activision's call to power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_to_Power) ripoff of civilization, which i actually liked a lot more than the sid meier civilization games.
if you have any fondness for rpgs at all, anachronox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anachronox) would be a good bet if you haven't played it. it's really the only console-style rpg that doesn't make you feel totally fucking stupid for playing it.
and i know you said NO FPS, and i don't blame you, but play system shock 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_shock_2) if you haven't already played it. i don't think there's ever been a better made videogame.
yeah i don't really know what else to suggest. i might get hell for this, but i don't really think there are a lot of truly outstanding pc-specific games. usually if it was JUST for pc there was something fucking wrong with it in the first place that made it unworthy of a port.
have you tried 78641 (http://members.shaw.ca/gzsoft/78641.html)????
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Freespace 2. It's First person, and you shoot, but I wouldn't really call it an FPS at all.
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I'm currently playing Settlers VI: Rise of an empire, you could give that a wirl...
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Transport Tycoon or Open TTD. This is really addictive.
Machinarium
Braid
AudioSurf
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final fantasy 7/8 pc ports
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mb world of warcraft? half-life 2?
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Open TTD.
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are you only looking for newer games or are you just looking for ANY pc games because if you wanna play old shit i'd just go to abandonia and start looking around, you'll definitely find something that sounds interesting to you
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AudioSurf
yeah, audiosurf is pretty neat.
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Dink Smallwood
http://www.rtsoft.com/dink/
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The Ur-Quan Masters.
http://sc2.sourceforge.net/
It's like space age Spore, only interesting, fun, good, 20 years old, hard, vast, and not pointless
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Septerra Core
(http://pub.gamingw.net/38990/score1.jpg)
Marc Eckos Getting Up
(http://pub.gamingw.net/38990/getting004.jpg)
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thief (not an fps), morrowind (not an fps)
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Heroes of Might And Magic III and V?!?
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Heroes of Might And Magic III and V?!?
Definitely Heroes of Might and Magic 3!
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thief (not an fps), morrowind (not an fps)
these are both console games
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Some rpgs?
Mass Effect and Witcher are probably the best in a few years, Jade Empire is good as well. If you haven't played Baldur's Gates there's a nice compilation of them available. Arx Fatalis is also good and seriously underrated, it's a 3d first person one from something like 2003. Not a massive open world type neither streamlined console style. Nice, compact and has a great casting system (seriously, play a mage).
Adventure games? Get ScummVM and play the LucasArts classics, get Grim Fandango. Telltale's new Sam & Max games are good, at least the first season, haven't played the second.
Then there's of course tons and tons of indie games, I can confirm that Braid is absolutely fabulous, World of Goo is nice fun and Crayon Physics is great provided you're not the achiever type.
Also seconding System Shock 2 and Thief (the second one is best). Freelancer is pretty great, an arcade space dogfight game (does not need a joystick) with a great story driven single player. Deus Ex if you haven't yet, I guess it's technically an fps but seriously.
I don't know, this is pretty much listing all the great games that come to my mind except fps and strategy. Any more pointers? Have you already played all the classics suggested here?
Alec only Thief III was released on consoles. Get Thief II.
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fuck yeah @ septerra core.
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The exile series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blades_of_exile) were baller old school 2d dungeon crawlers
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these are both console games
thief 1 and 2 aren't console games. thief deadly shadows was the only console game and is also considered the worst of the series by a long way (it's to thief what invisible war was to deus ex).
you can probably skip thief 1, but thief 2 is absolutely incredible
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Does turn-based tactical squad leading count as strategy? Like Jagged Alliance. If not, Silent Storm and especially the sequel/standalone add-on Silent Storm Sentinels.
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I tried playing jagged alliance DS and i couldn't even work out what the fuck was going on
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thief 1 and 2 aren't console games.
and morrowind was shit on console
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and morrowind was shit
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you're a dumb
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Go to metacritic, pc games section. Then sort by score and find the first game on the list that
a. You haven't played before
b. Isn't an fps
c. Isn't an mmo
Then play it.
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Civilizations 4.
Then when you get sick of playing that one, get mods for it and play it some more. (Fall from Heaven is the best if you can actually get it working)
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Go to metacritic, pc games section. Then sort by score and find the first game on the list that
a. You haven't played before
b. Isn't an fps
c. Isn't an mmo
Then play it.
I'm guessing he wants personal recommendations not lmgtfy.com
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dwarf fortress
depends on your definition of good though
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DRAGON AGE: ORIGINS. Shit, this game is AMAZING, it's a single-player gigantic RPG that every living thing needs to experience
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DRAGON AGE: ORIGINS. Shit, this game is AMAZING, it's a single-player gigantic RPG that every living thing needs to experience
It's a console game.
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Dragon Age: Origins is also on the PC.
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but also doesn't fit the requirements in the op
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Civilizations 4.
just stopped playing a game of it right now (at 3 in the morning) and we're continuing it another night. multiplayer is fecking awesome (singleplayer is too, but not as much imo)
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Arcanum is right up your alley dude. Actually I'd say it's right up Hundley's alley too. It was made by the same people that made Fallout and does the whole social issue thing as well or maybe even better than Fallout. It's really good because unlike Fallout where you'd go from town to town and each one would have a different social theme, the whole game is about them. I think the biggest are racism, the emergence of capitalism, and class stratification through labor exploitation. It's got a sort of Victorian industrial revolution steampunk setting, which is kind of awful but it does it well and uses the setting for more than just stupid magical guns or whatever.
It's got three of the best quests I've ever seen in any game and I think it's worth playing just to see these three. I don't want to give too much away so I guess I'll just tell a little about them. The first is this quest about the skulls of these Siamese twins, which leads you to discovering how a cabal of Gnomish (Jewish???) oligarchs did some terrible things to engineer a behind-the-scenes capitalist revolution. I don't want to go on because this quest is so wrenching and well done and I don't want to ruin it. It easily could have been its own game. Another is a quest where you negotiate the terms of a treaty between two kingdoms, which is a really neat thing to do in a game, and the last is one where you deal with an orc civil rights and union activist.
So if you can tolerate the dumb setting and sometimes excessive fantasy garbage, you'll find a really neat game that expands on ideas that only Fallout has ever touched on.
ps stupid people will tell you that the game is about the struggle between magic and technology or whatever, but these are clearly metaphors for tradition vs innovation, the past vs the future, and even feudalism vs democracy. it's an okay game with great ideas and probably the best writing and intentions pf any game other than fallout!!
pps if you play the game, you have to play as a half orc.
ppps or a retard, i've heard it's really funny.
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http://terra-arcanum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=16199
ahahahahahahaha
in arcanum when you're making your character, you have the option of selecting a character's background that acts sort of like traits when you're making your guy in fallout. this guy made up a bunch of backgrounds that aren't actually in the game about asperger's syndrome.
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DRAGON AGE: ORIGINS. Shit, this game is AMAZING, it's a single-player gigantic RPG that every living thing needs to experience
but also doesn't fit the requirements in the op
Yeah Nemesis, don't you pay attention to the topic? Dragon Age: Origins is also on the console, so don't mention it.
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Yeah Nemesis, don't you pay attention to the topic? Dragon Age: Origins is also on the console, so don't mention it.
Why does it make a difference if the game also has a console version? I though he meant no console games, not no games that may have been ported to console. Dragon Age is definately a very pc oriented game. It's the same with morrrowind, it had an xbox port but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be mentioned, right?
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Maybe he has every console game.
Why does why even matter? It's just a condition he set. There must be a reason for it.
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probably because if it has a console version he'd rather play it on a console, and he's just asking for pc-exclusive games
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uh whatchamacallit Little Big Adventure
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are there any good pc games like Civ that aren't part of the europa or aoe series
arcanum
this sounds neat
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Arcanum is right up your alley dude. Actually I'd say it's right up Hundley's alley too.
i did kinda like arcanum, but i found the way the game was physically put together really jarring and unintuitive. i remember finding it really tough actually progressing through the game because of the sheer amount of stuff they throw at you. it felt very messy, like it was tough to play in a way where you weren't doing lots of mundane item-based tasks and grinding. it was a shame too, because i really enjoyed the style of it and the way a lot of the game worked.
i think i might give it another try, if only because i've actually forgotten the full extent of why i found it so tough to get into. i may have been approaching it wrong. do you have any suggestions for a good playthrough?
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Red Alert 3.
I never thought I'd say that. I was certain EA games had ruined a good franchise when they ate westwood studios all those years ago but I have given it a go and it's really really good.
Nothing will ever be on par with RA2 as that was the perfect RTS (imo) but I think RA3 is miles better than most RTS games out there.
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Red Alert 3.
I never thought I'd say that. I was certain EA games had ruined a good franchise when they ate westwood studios all those years ago but I have given it a go and it's really really good.
Nothing will ever be on par with RA2 as that was the perfect RTS (imo) but I think RA3 is miles better than most RTS games out there.
srry, the bar for strategy games was set with civilization anything below that is complete shit IMO
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arcanum quests
these sound very familiar to runescape quests
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i do kinda like the fact that seemingly everyone in the arcanum world is a liar
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DRAGON AGE: ORIGINS. Shit, this game is AMAZING, it's a single-player gigantic RPG that every living thing needs to experience
that game looks like an offline version of WOW
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its like WoW but I don't have to actually interact with anyone.
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this is the kind of life that i like to live
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its like WoW but I don't have to actually interact with anyone.
You're not interacting with anyone on GW because nobody reads your posts.
i think i might give it another try, if only because i've actually forgotten the full extent of why i found it so tough to get into. i may have been approaching it wrong. do you have any suggestions for a good playthrough?
The big problem with the game is that the combat and mechanics are just awful. It's like Fallout Tactics in that you can switch from real-time combat to turn-based, but both are just awful. I sort of want to suggest cheating so you can zoom through all the combat portions and skip to everything else. It's really frustrating because the worst part of the game is in the very beginning, right after you finish Tarant. You have to go to this abandoned dwarf clan that is this massive dungeon that takes forever and is really hard. It's awful. If you can get through this, the rest of the game (until about the last 1/4th, which is bad again) is pretty interesting. If you're not going to cheat, you should probably be a wizard and put your points into necromantic white and black. Harm is easily the best spell in the game and you should abuse it. You should also put all of your points into charisma and persuasion. This lets you have more party members and if you've got a lot, you can just stand there and let them fight for you. This is what I always do. Also like I said before, you should play as a half-orc. You won't get the full impact of the game unless every single person in it hates you.
Also the Shrouded Hills part is pretty boring and is a lot like Arroyo in Fallout but longer. If you can make it through that and get to Tarant, you've made it to the best part in the game. Tarant is pretty much the whole point of Arcanum. It's New York City in the middle of the Industrial Revolution and it's supposed to be huge and disorienting and sort of intimidating. Other places like Dernholm and Caladon are interesting, but Tarant is What The Game Is About, so I guess if you get there and you don't like it, you might as well stop playing because it's the most important part.
So I guess that's it. Cheat if you feel like it, be a half orc, put points into charisma and magic, and be tolerant of a really bad combat system.
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i liked arcanum a lot haha. but i was like 13. and am tolerant of bad gameplay in favor of an interesting atmosphere.
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i wanna say silver because it awesome, but getting it to run on anything after win 98 is a nightmare
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i wanna say silver because it awesome, but getting it to run on anything after win 98 is a nightmare
Agreed, damn I loved that game!
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Plants vs Zombies.
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The big problem with the game is that the combat and mechanics are just awful. It's like Fallout Tactics in that you can switch from real-time combat to turn-based, but both are just awful. I sort of want to suggest cheating so you can zoom through all the combat portions and skip to everything else. It's really frustrating because the worst part of the game is in the very beginning, right after you finish Tarant. You have to go to this abandoned dwarf clan that is this massive dungeon that takes forever and is really hard. It's awful. If you can get through this, the rest of the game (until about the last 1/4th, which is bad again) is pretty interesting. If you're not going to cheat, you should probably be a wizard and put your points into necromantic white and black. Harm is easily the best spell in the game and you should abuse it. You should also put all of your points into charisma and persuasion. This lets you have more party members and if you've got a lot, you can just stand there and let them fight for you. This is what I always do. Also like I said before, you should play as a half-orc. You won't get the full impact of the game unless every single person in it hates you.
Also the Shrouded Hills part is pretty boring and is a lot like Arroyo in Fallout but longer. If you can make it through that and get to Tarant, you've made it to the best part in the game. Tarant is pretty much the whole point of Arcanum. It's New York City in the middle of the Industrial Revolution and it's supposed to be huge and disorienting and sort of intimidating. Other places like Dernholm and Caladon are interesting, but Tarant is What The Game Is About, so I guess if you get there and you don't like it, you might as well stop playing because it's the most important part.
So I guess that's it. Cheat if you feel like it, be a half orc, put points into charisma and magic, and be tolerant of a really bad combat system.
i'll take your advice here. i actually had already started playing the game as a human bandit, and got through shrouded hills entirely, but i'm finding this playthrough a little rough(even on easy) and i think i'll need to start again.
i still think it's a strong general idea for a game, but its design is really clunky. the item system is overwhelming until you figure out what is useful and what isn't, and the map design is bland and expansive to the point where you'll get lost very easily without constantly hitting the map. it's fairly difficult to play without the aid of a walkthrough, if only because there's so much space and impertinent npcs/items that you never really have a clear idea of what the important things are in each area of the game. i can appreciate a game that endeavors to have lots of shit for your characters to do, but i don't think this is really the best way to go about it.
despite this, the game does have definite charm and is surprisingly well-written. the music is at times truly outstanding. i wouldn't even think about laboring through this game if i didn't find the positive merits rewarding. i guess it's kinda like square's saga games in a sense, because there's something distinctly likable about the game, but you can sometimes miss it due to how utterly confused you are about most of the time.
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What part are you at? I think Tarant is really well done and that it's overwhelming and confusing is sort of the point. I think what they were trying to do with Tarant was make it an 1880s New York in the eyes of an immigrant who just came in from Ellis Island. You're this outsider who doesn't know anything in the epicenter of everything and you're just supposed to wander around taking it all in for a few days.
But yeah, playing a tech character is like playing on hard mode. Apparently they get better later in the game but I've never had the patience to see if it pays off. I always play as a mage because they start out really strong and stay that way throughout the whole game. There are people who swear by tech characters but I think the idea is that ultimately you'll be able to do anything with either field. It's still a lot easier using magic though.
I think my favorite thing about the game is that none of it is throw away fantasy garbage, it's all a reflection on something in real life. Some of it is simplified and stupid, like the Boil, but it's all something that anyone playing the game could in some way relate to. I guess the Fallout games were like that too. I can't really remember because I haven't played them in a long time. But yeah, the fact that the game is saying something about our world is what makes it good and interesting, regardless of its terrible mechanics and that it is sometimes disorienting.
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I'm trying to run Arcanum on my laptop with Vista. A lot of people have had the problem I'm having: the game installs but nothing happens when I attempt to play it. I've tried compatability modes and running as administrator to no avail. Some people found success in a NO-CD patch, but I can't seem to find one.
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update to 1.0.7.4 (http://dlh.net/cgi-bin/dlp.cgi?lang=eng&sys=pc&file=arcanum1074e.zip&ref=ps) and then install the unofficial fix patch (http://dlh.net/cgi-bin/dlp.cgi?lang=eng&sys=pc&file=uap081229.zip&ref=ps).
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Shit forgot about that not released consoles part. That shrinks my list down to a big pile of classics, couple of indies, Freelancer, Witcher and Arx Fatalis. The last three in order of apperance are an intensive, immersive singe-player space shooter/dogfighter, an old fashioned rpg focusing more on good quests and an interesting world than epic gear and grinding and a small, original and sympathetic first-person rpg that was originally planned to be Ultima Underworld III. Any of those turn you on?
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you were right about arcanum chef. it is a pretty neat game if you can get anywhere in it. it's one of the few semi-recent fantasy[ish] games that doesn't make me ill. the writers of the game are pretty intelligent and manage to do a lot with the story despite being somewhat hindered by the fairly stale fallout-style dialogue.
the key is really just NOT touching the technology route your first time through the game, since that whole development track is a huge convoluted mess that requires a fairly close understanding of the game. i made myself a swordsman magician and i just go around disintegrating everybody.
although i don't like how easily shit in the game can get fucked up. some drunk picked a fight with me in a bar and i had to kinda avoid that town the rest of the game because random citizens and guards would attack me whenever i came back. you need to save really often, and probably use a walkthrough since it is exceptionally easy to get lost or miss important things entirely just by exploring on your own. i don't think it works terribly well for a lengthy rpg to be so unforgiving and vague as to all the extra stuff to do in the game, but it's possible to look past all that if you approach the game right.
also i found the fairly well-known infinite money glitch on my own without having read it anywhere!! i break dem gammes
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are there any good pc games like Civ that aren't part of the europa or aoe series
early total war games maybe? (pre-SEGA)
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An fps, on a console, or an mmo?
My suggestions kind of depend on how far back you want to go.
Someone suggested Freespace 2 which is in my opinion the best space fighter/simulator ever. You pilot a small craft in it, and occasionally you get caught in the middle of a fight between two huge spaceships that fire beams at one another 10 times thicker than your entire ship, which is a pretty astonishing effect. A lot of missions also take place inside nebulae which mess with your sensors and make it very difficult to tell what's going on.
But I don't know how much you care about how recent the games are, as most of the stuff I like ranges from early 90s to early 00s. I've barely played anything more recent than that.