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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: EColeman24 on January 23, 2010, 10:11:50 pm
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If you are a fan of this series surely you have heard this rumor more than a dozen times.
The much awaited (or most dreaded for some) remake of the installment that has the biggest fan following. However, according to "Tetsuya Nomura speaks and denies the fabled remake for release anytime soon - however, Cloud may appear in other games..." the rest of the new release can be found under the link below.
http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=6707
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So a remake they've constantly denied is still being denied...
Meanwhile Cloud will continue to be a cameo in like every game SE touches..
Hmm.. interesting news, thanks for this.
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So a remake they've constantly denied is still being denied...
lol this.
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Disappointing but not the least bit surprising.
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Exactly what Jester said, but even ignoring this why would it matter at all if the game was remade? If you want to play FF7 then play FF7.
Also Cloud must be the most boring protagonist ever. He has no memory, blindly follows others around, doesn't talk and has no emotions whatsoever. Why do so many people love him as a character?
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Final Fantasy sucks so I don't care. I'd like to understand why people like it.
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Final Fantasy sucks so I don't care. I'd like to understand why people like it.
Nostalgia.
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yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn
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Disappointing but not the least bit surprising.
Yes was disappointed too. I would love to replay that game with a few new plot twists and 360 graphics.
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with a few new plot twists
This isn't something you'd want. All Square would do is shit all over the already bad plot.
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This isn't something you'd want. All Square would do is shit all over the already bad plot.
Mako is actually thetans. Grab your e-readers, gentlemen.
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Exactly what Jester said, but even ignoring this why would it matter at all if the game was remade? If you want to play FF7 then play FF7.
Also Cloud must be the most boring protagonist ever. He has no memory, blindly follows others around, doesn't talk and has no emotions whatsoever. Why do so many people love him as a character?
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/pub/24136/graph.png)
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who cares
not me, I don't care
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Heh, Final Fantasy 7? I hate it. Won't see me dressed up as Cloud at the next anime convention I go to.
Oh yeah, and Tifa's not even hot.
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<------ laughed when Aerith died.
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Thanks for posting a completely insignificant news item from a random website.
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<------ laughed when Aerith died.
you heartless fool...
*unsheaths katana enough for u to see the sun gleaming off of the hanzo steel below the hilt*
watch what you say
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ff7 dont need a remake you wanna do somethin just go an replay. Its bombass shit that no pne needs to miss yu cant even diss
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ff7 dont need a remake you wanna do somethin just go an replay. Its bombass shit that no pne needs to miss yu cant even diss
One.
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Exactly what Jester said, but even ignoring this why would it matter at all if the game was remade? If you want to play FF7 then play FF7.
Also Cloud must be the most boring protagonist ever. He has no memory, blindly follows others around, doesn't talk and has no emotions whatsoever. Why do so many people love him as a character?
duke nukem 3d is unplayable but would be a decent game if the controls and graphics were updated. by the same measure though if you want a story read a book. video game stories suck, people like the character because they create the character.
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i've just realized that nobody ever asks for remakes of books
like, nobody asks for a remake of hamlet so that it's in modern english. actually idk they do try to make hamlet movies in different bizarro settings
but that's different. yes, nobody wants to see books be remade. that was my original point
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Yeah well book technology isn't really improving all the time
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i've just realized that nobody ever asks for remakes of books
like, nobody asks for a remake of hamlet so that it's in modern english. actually idk they do try to make hamlet movies in different bizarro settings
but that's different. yes, nobody wants to see books be remade. that was my original point
Oxford come out with a new remake of the dictionary every year!
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Yeah well book technology isn't really improving all the time
Had to LOL hard at this. You are very right things in the "print" industry aren't exactly making waves with visionary new breakthroughs... :)
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what about popup books, bitch
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duke nukem 3d is unplayable but would be a decent game if the controls and graphics were updated. by the same measure though if you want a story read a book. video game stories suck, people like the character because they create the character.
sure but in terms of jrpgs there's been almost 0 advancement to the genre beyond graphics. the core gameplay is pretty much exactly the same in every single rpg so it would literally just be a graphics update and an inevitable fucking terrible and boring 100 floor dungeon (every square 'remake' seems to contain these, and they all suck)
the original looks dated but other than that it plays alright still.
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also create the character? i don't understand what you mean here. there's no choices or customisations in the game so maybe i am missing something
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I wish they would have just patched a better translation on the PSN release, actually. The game looks pretty primitive now, sure, but the shoddy translation was always what bugged me the most because I actually found the plot pretty intriguing. Just the way a lot of it was worded made things confusing occasionally.
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sure but in terms of jrpgs there's been almost 0 advancement to the genre beyond graphics. the core gameplay is pretty much exactly the same in every single rpg so it would literally just be a graphics update and an inevitable fucking terrible and boring 100 floor dungeon (every square 'remake' seems to contain these, and they all suck)
the original looks dated but other than that it plays alright still.
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also create the character? i don't understand what you mean here. there's no choices or customisations in the game so maybe i am missing something
what if they give it ffxii style battles........
also ffxiii is a basic jrpg, right? does that really play the same ffvii did? note i havent played or even really looked at ffxiii
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Heh, Final Fantasy 7? I hate it. Won't see me dressed up as Cloud at the next anime convention I go to.
Oh yeah, and Tifa's not even hot.
I love you.
On a more serious note, I also thought 7 was pretty shit. It's funny how people say Cloud is the most boring hero, but look at Sephiroth. I'M ANGRY FOR THE SAKE OF BEING ANGRY ARRRRRGHHHH. And now look at how the internet idolizes shitty characters.
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Exactly what Jester said, but even ignoring this why would it matter at all if the game was remade? If you want to play FF7 then play FF7.
Also Cloud must be the most boring protagonist ever. He has no memory, blindly follows others around, doesn't talk and has no emotions whatsoever. Why do so many people love him as a character?
Because when FF7 came out he was considered to be new and interesting. For better or worse, Cloud set the template for characters of that type.
When I had FF7, I absolutely loved it. Not to sound like a fanboy, but I don't think it's fair to judge the game using today's standards, as a hell of lot has changed since 1997. No, it hasn't aged the best, but in my humble opinion, not many RPGs were on the level FF7 was when it debuted. It didn't sell 10 million copies for nothing.
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Cloud was just Shadow recast as the main character. :colb:
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Because when FF7 came out he was considered to be new and interesting. For better or worse, Cloud set the template for characters of that type.
When I had FF7, I absolutely loved it. Not to sound like a fanboy, but I don't think it's fair to judge the game using today's standards, as a hell of lot has changed since 1997. No, it hasn't aged the best, but in my humble opinion, not many RPGs were on the level FF7 was when it debuted. It didn't sell 10 million copies for nothing.
That argument falls apart when you realize that today's standards haven't really even changed. I am perfectly fine with judging a particular game from 1997 by today's standards. But I would only do it with this specific game though, because that game is the primary reason our "standards" haven't changed in over 10 years. You don't even need proof to know this is true, because who here can honestly argue that if they actually did re-make FF7 today it wouldn't sell even more than 10 million copies in pre-release purchases alone?
You can't deny that people like this shit. All the more reason more people should be viewing with a critical eye what so many pass off as simply "something they enjoy playing". They may not need a reason to think that, but that doesn't stop me from viewing it as a sickeningly curious phenomena that simply begs for an explanation beyond "Everything about this game is shitty, which must be why some people still like it more than anything else."
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That argument falls apart when you realize that today's standards haven't really even changed.
I agree, standards haven't changed, but quality of games definitely have. I cannot thing of a post-FFX RPG that I have legitimately enjoyed.
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I want to marry Cloud, Tidus, Zidane and Vaan and have them as my wives.
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You've got quite a torso today, jamie.
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Enough torso for many wives.
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i've just realized that nobody ever asks for remakes of books
like, nobody asks for a remake of hamlet so that it's in modern english. actually idk they do try to make hamlet movies in different bizarro settings
but that's different. yes, nobody wants to see books be remade. that was my original point
loll
also they do this all the time it's just not big right now
and some movies are essentially Hamlet right? they just don't come out and say it, and do it with completely different names and settings
isn't there some reworded version of the bible for stupid people like 'satan was a bad man who wanted to create a bad world full of evil'
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Are you trying to say that movie was not good cuz I would have to say you're wrong.
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I want to marry Cloud, Tidus, Zidane and Vaan and have them as my wives.
RULE 63 BITCH!
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/pub/35005/Wives.jpeg)
on another note, oh well. and your right standards haven't changed much, but that's becuase they keep spewing out the same shit over and over, worse still is that people BUY it (i'm one of theese people... no wait i haven't bought an Jrpg in... a long time).
also Avatar = Dances With Wolves
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I do not get it Swordfish, why are you posting pictures of men from Final Fantasy?
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shakespeare ripped off the lion king when he wrote hamlet
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I want to marry Cloud, Tidus, Zidane and Vaan and have them as my wives.
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With the way S-E is talking about how it would take longer than FFXIII to render everything in FF7 to the same level they would be better off using the Crisis Core engine and making it a PSP game. Or really screwing with people and making it a DS game. :P
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Personally I'd wish Square Enix would make Chrono Break, or a sequel to Chrono Trigger / Cross (actual good games).
However, that will never happen. The vice president of Square Enix was quoted as saying
IF YOU WANT A SEQUEL BUY MORE PORTZ
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I'm sure someone will remake the game entirely in RPG Maker someday.
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also create the character? i don't understand what you mean here. there's no choices or customisations in the game so maybe i am missing something
ahahaha i meant ...imagination
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I'm sure someone will remake the game entirely in RPG Maker someday.
how has this not happened yet
the game's already been remade on the NES for crying out loud
Edit: can GW collectively do some sarcastic/loose remake of FF7. This would be a good project
also don't replay the game before working on it, just bullshit the whole thing from what that person remembers
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ff7 was fucking sweet until around when you left midgar
then it just became an endless chase around the worldmap
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Yeah, at this point, I desperately hope they NEVER remake FF7. It would take so gawdamn long if it was nextgen, and a majority of oldschool RPG crap would be dropped for anime jumping scenes. Leave it alone and move on. :D
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Yea personally after I got the airship and started the Wutai sidequest, I decided to stop playing. But really the "feel" of the game was a bit gone after the Midgar thing.
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I'm sure someone will remake the game entirely in RPG Maker someday.
isn't someone on gw doing this right now
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yeah they got like seven pages of ecstatic praise for building the ff7 menu in rpg maker and then released some actual in-game footage a while ago which was mostly either ignored or mocked because the sprites didn't look good enough. live by the screenshot thread die by the screenshot thread~
can GW collectively do some sarcastic/loose remake of FF7. This would be a good project
also don't replay the game before working on it, just bullshit the whole thing from what that person remembers
ahaha i was actually thinking of this last night, i've never even played the game but i thought it would be funny to remake the entire thing based on recieved knowledge and then release it as FINAL FANTASY VII without comment. i decided not to because all the stuff i've heard is pretty boring anyway which would take the fun out of things.
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man that really is a good idea, rebuilding ff7 based on childhood memory + rumors + whatever the hell you want to fill in the gaps
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man that really is a good idea, rebuilding ff7 based on childhood memory + rumors + whatever the hell you want to fill in the gaps
hahaha.
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I wouldn't mind a 3D FF7 remake, but what I would like is for FF15 to maybe go back to a classic approach, like what Sonic and Mega Man have been doing lately.
Or, how about both?
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ff7 was fucking sweet until around when you left midgar
Everyone always says this. Midgar is the most boring part of the whole game, save for maybe the ice mountain place.
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man that really is a good idea, rebuilding ff7 based on childhood memory + rumors + whatever the hell you want to fill in the gaps
please do this.
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*Edit*To BE honest, I never even finished FFVII- I became too frustrated when I got stuck during the Frog Forest subquest and gave up.
Frisky, if by Imagination" you mean the ability to project oneself onto a character or to see them having further adventures, that definitely happens. In some ways some of the older "Silent Protagonists" were very flexible in that way. I'll admit that FFVI has a special place in my heart, not only because of its (For the time) sophisticated graphics and plot, but because some of the character's struggles mirrored my own, especially Terra's struggle to discover who she was and where she belonged. I also loved the style of graphics and how animated they were- I suppose that's why I prefer games where the characters have lots of personality and body language. The most important thing, however, was that I found I considered the characters people. I felt I knew them and found I cared what happened to them. IMHO, that's one of the most important factors in the success of an RPG- the game's ability to touch the heart of the player and give them the feeling that they too are part of the fantastic journey- that their actions matter.
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Sorry about that- I was quickly dashing it off before going up to dinner. *Goes to edit it*
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FFVII wasn't the masterpiece the fans claim it is but it wasn't underwhelming either; just plain whelming.
MEH
Fuck. Yeah.
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Well, it was a good game. I couldn't stand the Lego-like out of battle models, but it was a good game. Memorable too, but far from perfect. Definitely not the best game / RPG ever made (like I heard people say so many times)
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Well, it was a good game. I couldn't stand the Lego-like out of battle models, but it was a good game. Memorable too, but far from perfect. Definitely not the best game / RPG ever made (like I heard people say so many times)
I agree, I wouldn't call it the best EVER, but it was an incredibly important game that needed to have been made. 90% of RPGs circa 1997 onward owes something to FF7. I'm not a fanboy in the least, but that's just the truth. Those elements have become so conventional now that people don't realize it.
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Yep, yep.
Anyway, if FFVII is ever remade, I want Aerith to die by being stabbed with 3 swords instead of just one, with blood splattering out and covering Cloud's face. Just for more dramatic effect.
Also I would like to see the sequence where Cloud becomes a crossdresser in PS3 / Xbox 360 graphics
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Also I would like to see the sequence where Cloud becomes a crossdresser in PS3 / Xbox 360 graphics
They would just use Lightning's model because she's practically Cloud/Squall after a bazilliontwo estrogen shots
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I wouldn't mind a 3D FF7 remake, but what I would like is for FF15 to maybe go back to a classic approach, like what Sonic and Mega Man have been doing lately.
Or, how about both?
Now that's what I'm talking about! Make FF15 as a 3D FF7 remake with a nostalgia for the classic approach like what other modern gaming businesses have been doing lately.
SquareEnix should hire you right on the spot.
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Now that's what I'm talking about! Make FF15 as a 3D FF7 remake with a nostalgia for the classic approach like what other modern gaming businesses have been doing lately.
SquareEnix should hire you right on the spot.
whether this is a joke post or a serious one, I think square would cream their pants over such an idea. Capitalism, feh.
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I agree, I wouldn't call it the best EVER, but it was an incredibly important game that needed to have been made. 90% of RPGs circa 1997 onward owes something to FF7. I'm not a fanboy in the least, but that's just the truth. Those elements have become so conventional now that people don't realize it.
just because a game has its place in GAMING HISTORY doesn't mean it's still all that enjoyable today. the first car was important too, but i wouldn't want to drive one for very long.
whether this is a joke post or a serious one, I think square would cream their pants over such an idea. Capitalism, feh.
apparently they wouldn't since they've said a million times they're never going to
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apparently they wouldn't since they've said a million times they're never going to
they just teasin' imo
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Yep, yep.
Anyway, if FFVII is ever remade, I want Aerith to die by being stabbed with 3 swords instead of just one, with blood splattering out and covering Cloud's face. Just for more dramatic effect.
They should use KOTR on her
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They should make her play KOTOR
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so about a week ago I was really excited about the whole idea with LOOSE REMAKE of FF7 and all and I made some screens before I lost interest
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8541/ff7.th.png) (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/ff7.png/)
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FFVII remake...not a time too soon.
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so about a week ago I was really excited about the whole idea with LOOSE REMAKE of FF7 and all and I made some screens before I lost interest
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8541/ff7.th.png) (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/ff7.png/)
i don't get it...you just posted real screenshots from ff7
who are you trying to fool???
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apparently they wouldn't since they've said a million times they're never going to
They've also said the first Final Fantasy was going to be the last game they're ever going to make and they'd never make another game again.
If they told the truth about everything they say, then the very question regarding the seventh final fantasy couldn't possibly exist, and this entire topic would be a moot point.
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the word of Square is infallible
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apparently they wouldn't since they've said a million times they're never going to
Never trust a Japanese game dev.
Yoichi Wada: "We’re going to explore the possibility of Final Fantasy VII remake"
http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/yoichi-wada-we’re-going-to-explore-the-possibility-of-final-fantasy-vii-remake.html
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just because a game has its place in GAMING HISTORY doesn't mean it's still all that enjoyable today. the first car was important too, but i wouldn't want to drive one for very long.
Graphics aside, I still happen to find the game enjoyable. FF7 is not my absolute favorite in the series by any means, but I honestly don't feel that any other game in the series can compare to it. It's in a different league.
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FF7 is the reason I got my PlayStation. That said, and this is not going to be a popular response, but FF8 is better. Whew there i said it. *waits for backlash*
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that's actually a pretty popular opinion.
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Also, a remake of FF7 would make FF7 more like Advent Children, and that is not good.
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I want a remake of IX
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Gimme a DS remake of FFVI in the vein of the newest version of IV.
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That would be pretty lame actually IMO because the DS version of IV looks worse than VI
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holy shit a 3d remake of ffvi is such a terrible idea no matter what platform you put it on
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the DS version of IV looks worse than VI
As far as environment goes I agree because IV has always been less imaginative than VI, and the graphical enhancements don't change that.
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I liked that intro that was made for the ps3 with ff7, it was pretty and all
I think if they ever make the game alot of it should be rewritten to less shitify it but thats nearly as out of the question as asking for square to make an rpg that doesn't suck ass
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I'd like to see at least a tech demo that depicts 3d Final Fantasy VI (aside from this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WJBPEF6eQY)
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I would like to see the N64 FF7 remade as it was gonna be quite different to the psx version. Not sure how much was compleated before it's demise though.
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I would like to see the N64 FF7 remade as it was gonna be quite different to the psx version. Not sure how much was compleated before it's demise though.
I think that was just a tech demo, not an actual game.
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and like I said it's supposed to be Locke, Terra and Shadow from FFVI
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Other issues aside, I don't really understand why S-E doesn't do an FF7 remake. I know it would be expensive at all, but it is also a sure-fire hit.
FF7 is the #1 selling PSOne classic on the Playstation Store, with millions of sales, so there is definitely an audience. I don't know what the sell-through would need to be for an FF7 remake to be profitable, but I'm sure they'd sell at least 2 million.
It's just kind of weird. The modern game industry is seriously risk-averse and publishers don't like to take chances. An FF7 remake seems much less risky than all of the other projects S-E has going on, like the various FF13 spinoffs in development.
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Other issues aside, I don't really understand why S-E doesn't do an FF7 remake. I know it would be expensive at all, but it is also a sure-fire hit.
FF7 is the #1 selling PSOne classic on the Playstation Store, with millions of sales, so there is definitely an audience. I don't know what the sell-through would need to be for an FF7 remake to be profitable, but I'm sure they'd sell at least 2 million.
It's just kind of weird. The modern game industry is seriously risk-averse and publishers don't like to take chances. An FF7 remake seems much less risky than all of the other projects S-E has going on, like the various FF13 spinoffs in development.
FF13 took 5 years to make and has no towns, minigames, worldmap, or exploration. It is literally a dungeon crawler.
Imagine how long it would take them to remake FF7 in the same quality. If they could do it, they would!
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FF13 took 5 years to make and has no towns, minigames, worldmap, or exploration. It is literally a dungeon crawler.
Imagine how long it would take them to remake FF7 in the same quality. If they could do it, they would!
They could though.
All they need to do is just take all the stuff they already made for putting in FF13, and re-do the dialog boxes so it sounds more like FF7.
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FF13 took 5 years to make and has no towns, minigames, worldmap, or exploration. It is literally a dungeon crawler.
Imagine how long it would take them to remake FF7 in the same quality. If they could do it, they would!
The reason it took abnormally long was because they started it as a ps2 game, then had to port it and revamp it to ps3 standards.
But yeah, the scope of ff7 would be tough as mess to get down right also
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I'm glad someone else said it, I think games today even though they've got better graphics they're kind of missing some sort of SCOPE earlier games had. Like me games try to depict battles against huge sea monsters and I don't think they come close to capturing the scope of that (maybe Shadow of the Colossus I've never played it ok) but an old snes game is surprisingly good at making a 300-pixel screen seem like an entire world. Also I saw some video on the old graphics they made for HBO in the 80's and it was this scale model of TV TOWN and they were showing how even though the town seems to recede p much forever into the distance it's only about a half a foot until the set ends. The rest of the effect is some kind of fog and just the general low quality of the film I guess but it really has a sense of scope compared to the CG stuff now that probably DOES go on forever and ever in virtual distance but it doesn't have this feeling of incredible distance imo. I think the original FF7 is kind of an example the Midgar 'set' was probably only a couple of props past the main area where the player is walking around but something about the grainy playstation textures and low resolution really made me feel like maybe Midgar goes on forever and ever instead of being... I dunno it could've been only 50 screens long and I wouldn't have known
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If that happen, i'll be a good new, but I remember I read somewhere on net , this just a estimate from square enix... so long for this can became true.
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It seems doubtful that Square Enix will announce a remake at this year's E3 Convention, but I'm still keeping my fingers crossed. Truthfully, I don't think there's any other game in the series, or in Square Enix's entire back catalog of games, that's in more dire need of a remake than Final Fantasy VII. People talking about remakes of Final Fantasy V and Final Fantasy VI need to seriously snap out of it.
I love Final Fantasy VII. It was one of the games that got me into RPGs as a kid (I was too young to experience II and III first-hand) and it blew me away when I first played it. Still does, actually. The sentimental value I have for that game is unparalleled. However, as much as I hate to admit it, it's also a very, very flawed game. For starters, the game mechanics are completely broken. I was playing the game the other month when it dawned on me.
Here's just a list from the top of my head:
- Gravity is completely broken. You can hit enemies that are resistant to the Gravity element for 9,999 damage with the lowest level Gravity spell.
- Enemy Skill materia is way overpowered. With the right Enemy Skills, you don't even need to use any offensive magic materia. Enemy Skills gives you a large spell pool in just one materia slot.
- Too many unbalancing abilities, e.g. Omnislash, Knights of the Round, Highwind, 2x/4x Cut. The Weapons were obviously just added to the game so you had anywhere to use these abilities.
Stuff like that makes an already frustratingly easy game even less challening. Of course, a lot of that is understandable: the game was released way the fuck back in 1997 and Square was just learning how to develop RPGs for the next generation of consoles. They had to make a quantum leap, but didn't exactly know how. As a result, a lot of Final Fantasy VII is the result of developmental trial-and-error, and it shows (and yes, I believe going from 2D to 3D qualifies as a quantum leap). Then there's that painful english translation. Mistranslating the names of main characters should not be acceptable (Aeris who?).
I still think VII has the most compelling story and strongest cast of characters out of any game in the series, and it's obviously on the strength of its story elements it has attained its large fanbase. And that fanbase wants an updated version of the game they love. So just remake the fucking game already. It's not all that complicated: just overhaul the game mechanics, make some acceptably pretty seventh-generation graphics, have Kazushige Nojima write some decent dialog, promote the shit out of it, and there you have it, the best-selling game in Square and Enix's combined history.
I kid you not.
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oh no what a same i wanted to see the gay bath house scene in hd :(
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man that really is a good idea, rebuilding ff7 based on childhood memory + rumors + whatever the hell you want to fill in the gaps
construct a loose outline of what happened in FF7 based on childhood memories half of which didn't actually happen in the game then outsource the artwork to ghanese people who work off these descriptions. And sort of hum the music which one of those chinese pirate game makers converts into Nintendo format because those games always have amazing music
(3:34:46 PM) Ragnar: like yeah here cloud and tifa are in an african field somewhere and tifa looks like some weird old transvestite and cloud is a dog puking and barret's whole arm is just an ak-47 copy pasted where his arm should be and fires exploding hands