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General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: Bled on February 18, 2010, 08:19:40 pm
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...where suburban upper middle class Americans also fly planes into buildings in the name of their shiny golden god (money)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_plane_crash_texas
AUSTIN, Texas – A software engineer furious with the Internal Revenue Service plowed his small plane into an office building housing nearly 200 federal tax employees on Thursday, officials said, setting off a raging fire that sent workers fleeing as thick plumes of black smoke poured into the air.
A U.S. law official identified the pilot as Joseph Stack and said investigators were looking at an anti-government message on the Web linked to him. The Web site outlines problems with the IRS and says violence "is the only answer."
Federal law enforcement officials have said they were investigating whether the pilot, who is presumed to have died in the crash, slammed into the Austin building on purpose in an effort to blow up IRS offices. All the officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was ongoing.
"Violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer," the long note on Stack's Web site reads, citing past problems with the tax-collecting agency.
"I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let's try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well," the note, dated Thursday, reads.
At least one person who worked in the building was unaccounted for and two people were hospitalized, said Austin Fire Department Division Chief Dawn Clopton. She did not have any information about the pilot. About 190 IRS employees work in the building, and IRS spokesman Richard C. Sanford the agency is trying to account for all of its workers.
After the low-flying plane crashed into the building, flames shot out, windows exploded and workers scrambled to safety. Thick smoke billowed out of the second and third stories hours later as fire crews battled the blaze.
"It felt like a bomb blew off," said Peggy Walker, an IRS revenue officer who was sitting at her desk in the building when the plane crashed. "The ceiling caved in and windows blew in. We got up and ran."
Funny/Ironic stuff from the article:
A) Before hopping into the plane for his fiery death flight, this guy sets fire to his home. Minutes later two people who apparently cannot tell their house from every other house on the street drive back from wherever it is rich white folk go during the day only to be convinced that their own house is on fire.
B) A flight instructor having a meal across the street from the building is one of the first to see the angry plume of explosm emit from the building as the plane struck.
C) Death and taxes.
D) The guy could have probably exacted far more efficient revenge had he did simply stuck with tradition and shot up the building. It's the American way.
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what the hell, he could've sold the place and hired an accountant
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His entire suicide essay is posted at thesmokinggun if you want to bother reading it: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0218102stack1.html
7 page essay summary (SPOILERS):
ARGHHH IM A LIBERTARIAN $40,000 IN DEBT FUCK TAXES
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idk he seemed more angry about stuff like bailing out corrupt executives and the government pandering to rich people. there's a lot of stuff about "the wealthy fuck up, the poor get to die for their mistakes" and the last bit unfavorably compares the "capitalist creed" to the communist one so that doesnt sound hugely libertarian to me. maybe im misreading it though because he could apparantly afford his own plane. in any case it sounds like it started when he got busted for trying some tax scam under the guise of making a statement about reform or something so.
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who knows what he was talking about
we need a mass extinction level event
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I heard about this earlier today!
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oh man he even did it in Alex Jones' hometown, I'm gonna have me some good readin' and listenin' for a week of that fuck's screaming about it being the government who did it.
check this out: http://www.infowars.com/source-fbi-knew-austin-attack-was-coming-2/
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PatriotAct Reply:
February 18th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
You people this guy is a martyr. I’m tired of hearing how we are peaceful movement, this is BS. This country was founded on violence. You wouldn’t be here right now chattering your fat useless jaws if our traiterous forefathers didn’t pick up a gun and fight the oppressors. We won our freedom by fighting with violence. And all you patsies can talk about is more conspiracies and sitting on your asses acting better than a real patriot. By far I might have too much to lose yet to fight like a real patriot. But I can see that this man was a patriot. He was backed into a corner, and he came out with fist a swinging. Between flight and fight he chose the later, crazy or not our government got its first lesson of equilibrium (that a force will eventually be checked). Rest in peace brother, amen.
And for the rest all you can do is talk talk talk, disown disown. Maybe all you people are the government operatives, acting like wusses. This guy is Joe American, not some government operative. He stated what we all feel about the IRS and took action. The IRS violated his fifth amendment right this is something he was willing to give his life for to show them he could punish them. Also I’ve had to hear (other websites) about how there are nice people working at the IRS, give me a break they are enforcing a tyrants will violating our Bill of Rights. They are like German soldiers who have immunity to kill someone because a superior told them. Justice wasn’t nearly served in my opinion. But I suppose Alex is going to save you by making all American’s aware of the conspiracy. What a joke! You all might be smart on the fact of conflict coming and an abusive government, but you have no balls to stand up against it. The first by using your right to free speech. And sometimes your lack of trust makes you too conspiratorial that you can’t even see liberty at the doorstep. This guy is a hero, live free or die? He just watered the tree of liberty while you drones act like nerd dopes, talking about black helicopters and whine, whine, whine. Geez I hope you all either shut up or grow some gonads. You know what i think, I think you’re afraid that the government is going to find out who you are behind your alias and brand you a terrorist if you come out and support this guy. You’re all pathetic. PATHETIC! You know what I’m going to go take a s---, and I’m not going to worry about some government operative either from the IRS or otherwise because they really are termites. Once you realize that the more you can tell them to their face “serves you right termites”, the more they will respect you. EOS! Want to be free, start acting like it.
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Between flight and fight he chose the later
Nope, he actually chose the first. :fogetcool:
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Martyr? What a bunch of shit.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
what a jackass, I hope that missing person is ok so it turns out this dipshit failed and did more damage to himself than anyone else.
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Rand died of heart failure on March 6, 1982 at her home in New York City, and was interred in the Kensico Cemetery, Valhalla, New York. Rand's funeral was attended by some of her prominent followers, including Alan Greenspan. A six-foot floral arrangement in the shape of a dollar sign was placed near her casket.
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i actually think this is awesome, i am glad that he did this.
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maybe i'm missing something, but his suicide note didn't exactly sound batshit insane. not on the scale you might expect from something like this, anyway. i mean obviously runnin' round killing people isn't the best thing ever, but the guy seems more like a symptom of the mysterious power of corporatism to kick dissenters in the teeth.
either way, i guess this adds a lot more political weight to cass sunstein's idea about infiltrating conspiracy theorists and trying to undermine their theories from the inside to prevent them from acting out violently.
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i actually think this is awesome, i am glad that he did this.
fuck you, innocent people are dead.
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i actually think this is awesome, i am glad that he did this.
Why? People are dead, public property has been destroyed which will have to be rebuilt using public money, and he has damaged his cause in the eyes of everyone. It seems to me like its really tragic and antisocial act by a confused and isolated individual
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Nope, he actually chose the first. :fogetcool:
:sport:
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fuck you, innocent people are dead.
Relax, guy. It doesn't count when they work for THE MAN.
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we need a mass extinction level event
From what I can tell, this has become a more and more common sentiment lately. As long as it's big enough to kill the economy, then I reckon the portion of us still left would be much better off for it. (even if it's 0.0000000%)
You know what would be ironic as hell? If it actually did happen, but the only portion of the population that dies out is the one exclusive to people who think society would be better off with a mass extinction type event.
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fuck you, innocent people are dead.
It's okay if you have some serious problem with the casual sentiment being provided in such dire circumstances.
But you really think the most appropriate manner to express those feelings is by setting yourself up in the most obvious way possible? (You really chose the word "innocent"? Really?)
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But you really think the most appropriate manner to express those feelings is by setting yourself up in the most obvious way possible? (You really chose the word "innocent"? Really?)
yeah i'm sure those office workers were guilty as fuck
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Do you think it would be better if they were guilty before dying?
"He was guilty of littering. I'm glad he died"
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Do you think it would be funny if an airplane crashed into a maximum security prison and all the inmates died?
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no but if it ran into lets say a DEA office or maybe just the GOP headquarters it would be hilarious.
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did this really happen. why is everyone on facebook still talking about tiger woods
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Why? People are dead, public property has been destroyed which will have to be rebuilt using public money, and he has damaged his cause in the eyes of everyone. It seems to me like its really tragic and antisocial act by a confused and isolated individual
Do you not feel the way he did sometimes? Have you ever? Yeah it's tragic, it's actually really sad that this guy was in such a place. And I am not unsympathetic in my response and I do not devalue his life or the life of the people who died in anyway. I'm just astounded that someone in his position actually did something like this. He was really struggling against the IRS, but reading his essay it seemed like the IRS was just microcosm of the US government. He could have done a lot more damage and killed ALOT more people if he wanted to, like someone said. He wasn't a stupid guy. So I see his action symbolically, as an act of communication to the US government in a way that he could not have without doing this. By using a plane he's making obvious references to 911 and making a very clear anti-Us statement. He said it himself that he spent ten years fruitlessly attempting to communicate with senators and other gov officials. He could have been deferred to different personnel for his entire life and never actually make a change. Not that this action will make a change but I think it has a lot of weight and certainly impact if we're all talking about it.
So to call him a fucking insane dude and write him off is terrible. I wish there was a way to do something with this much impact and not kill people, who individually do not deserve it, but... I guess that's what it takes. Kinda sad huh?
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if you're killing yourself over something like this (gulp politics) then yeah, your mental health isn't in the best condition and your actions while in such a state aren't anything to congratulate
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I wish there was a way to do something with this much impact and not kill people
There is. Fight Club showed a proof of concept.
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Do you not feel the way he did sometimes? Have you ever? Yeah it's tragic, it's actually really sad that this guy was in such a place. And I am not unsympathetic in my response and I do not devalue his life or the life of the people who died in anyway. I'm just astounded that someone in his position actually did something like this. He was really struggling against the IRS, but reading his essay it seemed like the IRS was just microcosm of the US government. He could have done a lot more damage and killed ALOT more people if he wanted to, like someone said. He wasn't a stupid guy. So I see his action symbolically, as an act of communication to the US government in a way that he could not have without doing this. By using a plane he's making obvious references to 911 and making a very clear anti-Us statement. He said it himself that he spent ten years fruitlessly attempting to communicate with senators and other gov officials. He could have been deferred to different personnel for his entire life and never actually make a change. Not that this action will make a change but I think it has a lot of weight and certainly impact if we're all talking about it.
So to call him a fucking insane dude and write him off is terrible. I wish there was a way to do something with this much impact and not kill people, who individually do not deserve it, but... I guess that's what it takes. Kinda sad huh?
the guy tried to create a fake church as a tax shelter, the IRS caught on to his scheme, privileged white guy goes insane at the idea that the US constitution allows someone to take his money, he flies a plane into a building killing innocent people using inflated and vaguely-legitimate-sounding rhetoric that conveniently lines up with mass anti-government sentiment.
you're a fucking idiot and you need to reconsider why you think it is appropriate to kill people to make a largely inane and noncontributive political point that will be largely forgotten in the next three or four days. someone lost a loved one yesterday because this guy couldn't defraud on his taxes.
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I wish there was a way to do something with this much impact and not kill people
hm yes. there is no way this could happen *is a massive fucking idiot*
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sometimes.. sometimes the tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of tyrants *owns a private plane*
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it was a dumb and unpleasant act and he was probably a dumb and unpleasant person but i think it's kind of a bad idea to write off any complaint someone has with the tax system or the bailout as teabagger libertarian ayn rand garbage, especially when most of the stuff he talked about seemed to be not so much TAXES GRR so much as complaining about wall street and insurance companies being handjobbed by the government etc. i mean killing innocent people because you're angry that you were caught trying to defraud the tax system is obviously awful but i think its a little too easy and not too healthy to identify these issues entirely with the right wing!
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it doesn't matter what his politics were, the reason the guy flew a plane into a building is because he was a selfish guy who held a deep seated hatred for the IRS because they wouldn't agree that what he did wasn't fraud. all the two-bit political points surrounding his descent into madness are fundamentally irrelevant window dressing. 'i actually think this is awesome' is almost repugnantly dumb
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Why? People are dead, public property has been destroyed which will have to be rebuilt using public money, and he has damaged his cause in the eyes of everyone. It seems to me like its really tragic and antisocial act by a confused and isolated individual
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the best way to make a political point is to murder people only tangentially related to the issue *huffs glue*
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:welp: it was obviously a repulsive thing to do and i wasn't trying to justify it politically or anything, but i think it's kind of dumb to automatically identify anyone complaining about the tax system as some ron paul rightwinger. i mean
suburban upper middle class Americans also fly planes into buildings in the name of their shiny golden god (money)
ARGHHH IM A LIBERTARIAN $40,000 IN DEBT FUCK TAXES
Rand died of heart failure on March 6, 1982 at her home in New York City, and was interred in the Kensico Cemetery, Valhalla, New York. Rand's funeral was attended by some of her prominent followers, including Alan Greenspan. A six-foot floral arrangement in the shape of a dollar sign was placed near her casket.
privileged white guy goes insane at the idea that the US constitution allows someone to take his money
sometimes.. sometimes the tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of tyrants *owns a private plane*
maybe im missing something but yeah it looks like people saw someone complaining about taxes/bailout and immediately jumped to the conclusion of libertarian etc. it doesnt really matter whether he was or not or what his message(?) was i just think its a little dangerous to identify any criticism of these things exclusively with the right, which is what a bunch of people here seem to be doing.
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the guy tried to create a fake church as a tax shelter, the IRS caught on to his scheme, privileged white guy goes insane at the idea that the US constitution allows someone to take his money, he flies a plane into a building killing innocent people using inflated and vaguely-legitimate-sounding rhetoric that conveniently lines up with mass anti-government sentiment.
you're a fucking idiot and you need to reconsider why you think it is appropriate to kill people to make a largely inane and noncontributive political point that will be largely forgotten in the next three or four days. someone lost a loved one yesterday because this guy couldn't defraud on his taxes.
while i don't appreciate being called a fucking idiot, i'm listening and willing to listen to you. but i think that you're so pissed off it's getting in the way of you hearing what i was saying in my second post. that its astounding that THIS guy is the one who has been driven to such extremity. you know? he's a plane owner! you'd expect him to be a big corporate supporter. so calling me a fucking idiot is warranted i should have done at least some research before saying i was glad he did this, because honestly i just finished reading his essay and agreed with most of his points.
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that in and of itself is an astoundingly dumb statement because you read 'oh i agree with some of this' then concluded it was awesome he murdered people over a stupid political point.
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i don't think it's a stupid political point.
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it's not stupid but it's pretty damn far from being particularly insightful, at least enough to murder people over
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you wouldn't see me complaining if he hit ted steven's house and only killed ted stevens though tbh
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Do you not feel the way he did sometimes? Have you ever? Yeah it's tragic, it's actually really sad that this guy was in such a place. And I am not unsympathetic in my response and I do not devalue his life or the life of the people who died in anyway. I'm just astounded that someone in his position actually did something like this. He was really struggling against the IRS, but reading his essay it seemed like the IRS was just microcosm of the US government. He could have done a lot more damage and killed ALOT more people if he wanted to, like someone said. He wasn't a stupid guy. So I see his action symbolically, as an act of communication to the US government in a way that he could not have without doing this. By using a plane he's making obvious references to 911 and making a very clear anti-Us statement. He said it himself that he spent ten years fruitlessly attempting to communicate with senators and other gov officials. He could have been deferred to different personnel for his entire life and never actually make a change. Not that this action will make a change but I think it has a lot of weight and certainly impact if we're all talking about it.
So to call him a fucking insane dude and write him off is terrible. I wish there was a way to do something with this much impact and not kill people, who individually do not deserve it, but... I guess that's what it takes. Kinda sad huh?
I don't think he's insane, just confused and isolated. Think about it, where did his message get him? He's dead, nothing has changed, and if anything the state is going to become even more intrusive in surveillance and disruption of dissident organizations... You know, people who are actually organized and DOING something constructive in building popular mass movements(a tactic that has a much better track record of initiating social change than tax fraud and suicide bombing).
He's made his statement, killed himself, and he'll go down in history as a frustrated and sad fool who ultimately did more harm than good to his cause. gg bro
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Do you think that Timothy McVeigh or Ted Kaczynski were some kinds of heroic visionaries as well? The unabomber's manifesto was a pretty compelling read after all.
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btw I heard when this guy set his house on fire his family was in it? Is that true? didn't read the link because the net heres too slow for that shit.
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this man was a big child and this little act of his basically amounts to petty bourgeois focoism
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seriously, there are far better places to crash your little airplane
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seriously, there are far better places to crash your little airplane
mcdonalds boardroom. texaco boardroom. any corporate boardroom
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hi can someone link me to a cumulative all-encompassing page of crazy things Ron Paul actually said or did
I mean I know he's a fucktard I just don't have a sense of on what scale he's a fucktard
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Is he that bad or is it just cool to say he has wrong opinions
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Is he that bad or is it just cool to say he has wrong opinions
Ron Paul is pretty much an internet inside joke at this point because of how fervent and annnoying his supporters managed to be, and they generally ranted about how to fix systems that they didn't themselves understand. Also, in my opinion he's pretty insane, but he is insane in an honest way, apparently.
Ron Paul 2008!
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Is he that bad or is it just cool to say he has wrong opinions
he's an oldpeople-racist who mingles with conspiracy theorists(crypto anti-semites) and white nationalists(open anti-semites). He also upholds laissez faire capitalism as the ideal form of social organization and has said a whole lot of ridiculous shit because of these things.
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Idk if I've typed this on GW already, but there's this chick at work who is a jamaican japanese brit, and she's all about Ron Paul and carries around a copy of his uh.. "The Revolution"(?) book.
Idk what to tell her really since I know shit about politics.
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a jamaican japanese brit
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is she hot? That sounds like a hot mix.
I want to meet her jester and make her feel better about herself if she's hot and then alot worse because she has terrible political and probably philosophical views.
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what would it sound like if she said the phrase 'stolen bible'
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also I think you should tell her if she used the book to wipe her ass she would probably get alot more out of it intellectually and that it would also serve as a financial balance of sorts. Even though she prolly spent way more on it then its worth as an asshole cleaner seeing as how the weight of toilet paper would prolly be worth alot less then the book of toilet paper costed her.
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If she did that she'd end up with anal papercuts it's not nice believe me
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i had to look up focoism after reading dietcoke's post and as a result i've been reading monkeysmashesheaven for hours
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Oh man you hit a sweetspot on the net, MSH owns so much:
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Oh man you hit a sweetspot on the net, MSH owns so much:
Makes me think of those kids in Godard's La Chinoise but with them using Youtube, which is all the more ironic.
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Makes me think of those kids in Godard's La Chinoise but with them using Youtube, which is all the more ironic.
naw these guys are a little less serious than the kids in La Chinoise, at least in those days there was some semblance of a communist mass movement.... and they didn't spell America as Amerikkka
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lol i bet everyone who writes for MSH spends their welfare money on PBR and lucky strikes down at the local hipster bar 6 days a week
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i think the author is european. there used to be a pic of him on the site and he was a brown skinned fellah who was DJing some rave or something
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*walks into a hipster bar* ouch myhead lmao
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lol i bet everyone who writes for MSH spends their welfare money on PBR and lucky strikes down at the local hipster bar 6 days a week
i bet everyone who writes for MSH spends their sizeable paychecks on martinis and gauloises down at the local speakeasy just on the weekends
i bet everyone who writes for MSH spends their allowance on mtn. dew game fuel and doritos down at the local 7-11 4 days a week
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its unlikely they do all those things
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Hey guys, know how this shit can get even more depressing? Someone made a game (http://kotaku.com/5477733/irs-plane-crash-flash-game-is-quick-and-tasteless) about it the exact same day it happened.
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that game comes with 2 different but similar endings.