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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: Ultimaweapon9 on May 24, 2010, 06:53:31 am
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What did everybody think about it?
Personally I really loved it. The last couple of episodes were only 'pretty good', so I kind of prepared myself to be underwhelmed by the super epic 2 and a half hour long TV event. But I ended up really loving it, even the last 5-10 minutes with the whole purgatory bit, which seems to me like it will be the most polarizing part of the episode. And the fight between Jack and MiB was short but badass.
But anyway, I was just curious what all the GW regulars (I remember seeing a LOST topic during S5, but I dunno how devoted everyone is to it) thought about it.
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I'm loving this final season, some amazing episodes with a lot of questions answered.. finallly!
Not seen the final episode yet though... looking forward to it.
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what's lost
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I thought this show was cancelled because it was s tupid
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lost and 24 both finish on successive days; fans of dumb television are devastated
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the flash sideways was clearly the afterlife/ghostville but I'm not so sure about the island being purgatory. are they saying purgatory is the most important time of your life??
but if you are supposed to believe the island was purgatory that feels like a cheap escape. a lot of things don't ADD UP. they expanded too far, included too many characters and side stories outside the oceanic flight people. they also left a lot of loose ends, and neglected a lot of things they promised the viewers they'd tie up eg michael's kid and his POWERS and the lying woman
it does make the role of the man in black and the apparitions of christian shepherd and locke much better in terms of his relationship with Jack
the explanation of Jacob and his brother was pretty stupid
to sum up the series, they just stalled way too much and tried too many stupid things. it could have been a pretty ok series if they had kept on track. if the island is pug a tory just think of all the stupid superfluous side stories they led us through. moving the island, leaving the island and coming back, the temple people, the h bomb, the scientists blearfugh most of the series was just a useless diversion. they either had no idea what they were doing with most of these stories or how they'd fit in to the big picture, or they tried to milk the series as long as they could without regard. either way, it doesn't make a very good television show
a stupid disorganized post is all this deserves!!
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the flash sideways was clearly the afterlife/ghostville but I'm not so sure about the island being purgatory. are they saying purgatory is the most important time of your life??
but if you are supposed to believe the island was purgatory that feels like a cheap escape. a lot of things don't ADD UP. they expanded too far, included too many characters and side stories outside the oceanic flight people. they also left a lot of loose ends, and neglected a lot of things they promised the viewers they'd tie up eg michael's kid and his POWERS and the lying woman
it does make the role of the man in black and the apparitions of christian shepherd and locke much better in terms of his relationship with Jack
the explanation of Jacob and his brother was pretty stupid
to sum up the series, they just stalled way too much and tried too many stupid things. it could have been a pretty ok series if they had kept on track. if the island is pug a tory just think of all the stupid superfluous side stories they led us through. moving the island, leaving the island and coming back, the temple people, the h bomb, the scientists blearfugh most of the series was just a useless diversion. they either had no idea what they were doing with most of these stories or how they'd fit in to the big picture, or they tried to milk the series as long as they could without regard. either way, it doesn't make a very good television show
a stupid disorganized post is all this deserves!!
Oh no no, I meant the flash sideways was purgatory. They spelled that part out pretty clearly at the end. One of the few mysteries they gave a pretty definitive answer for. I agree that it didn't answer a lot, but as I watched the finale I pretty much thought "yeah that other stuff doesn't really matter to me anymore". Admittedly, it's going to cheapen the series as a whole when I watch it all the way through on DVD, but as of now, I couldn't really care less that they didn't answer stuff about Walt, and the mysterious light or anything like that.
lost and 24 both finish on successive days; fans of dumb television are devastated
Basically. Chuck and Supernatural are all I have left.
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I watched it. All. I'm glad it's over. Should have been like 3 series max. Why aren't there any programmes that just tell their story in one series with idk a bit of brevity??? That shit's the soul of wit. I'll tell you why in three words: $, $ and $.
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"this show is so deep...420" best post I've read anywhere about lost.
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yay we're privileged uppermiddleclass kids who have lots of spare time to analyze all the devices/dirty tricks/whatever some tv show uses to make it seem DEEP and shit let's revel in it r.i.p. lousy show good riddance
also big ass skelly if you're british yeah you have some good shows but can they be a little longer than like... 8 episodes long. I mean yeah brevity but why did you even bother to make a show in the first place if it's like... shorter than some commercials? And lots of animes are like this too 13 episodes or even shorter that OVA shit that isn't necessarily a mark of quality I mean it does mean NOT NARUTO but is that really saying much of anything. I will admit though what set anime apart from other stuff when I was like 13 was I did like how the entire series had a story and each episode hopefully had something to do with this main plot and some were even just like a movie (not necessarily a good movie) cut up into half-hour chunks. Outside of anime itself I do like this format where it feels like things are progressing and developing and not just a reset every episode
lol just thought I'd mention it
Edit: I'm still sticking with 24 for some reason it's like the only show my dad is 'into' at that sort of level where you can talk about it as conversation and this year hasn't been that bad it's kind of a parody of itself by now. Like evil blonde mole lady is so obviously evil and that Nixon-looking guy has suddenly become the joker like Jack hops onto his limo to smash the window open or whatever and he points and goes THAT'S JACK BAUER!!! (supermans#1) It's still better than like doctor shows Lost doesn't even look entertaining
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I don't think there's many british shows worth watching, maybe there are I don't watch tv really. Lost really didn't need to be six series but if it wasn't like you say there'd be way more Upper Middle Class kids just roaming the streets because they don't have enough Phallus symbolism to write a lostwiki page. Plus the working class kids wouldn't have anything to aspire to during their hard days in the mines.
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yeah I dunno a couple years ago I got THE LEAGUE OF GENTLEMEN on DVD and that was pretty good but having it in my hands I didn't realize that it was only like 10 episodes long I think. Maybe 18 or something but pretty short and that's only 6 episodes a series/season I don't understand how british tv works
originally I thought 24 would be over after the first season like not that there was PRECEDENT before that they wouldn't milk a popular series but I thought maybe... maybe this time it would be different also the whole CONCEPT of the show is kind of obsolete and ridiculously implausible by the second season. But I think it's sort of shifted to just being ENTERTAINMENT and not ooo super deep shitman like Prison Break got sucky but still never bought into it's ridiculousness so much it felt like some Lost-type thing. I don't even know how Prison Break ended how did it end. If anything Prison Break was like taking a STAND against ridiculous plothole twisting turning-storyline porn shows like Lost and 24. Prison Break is like yeah you guys have played too many rpgs and are conditioned to think like some bald dude with a scar is automatically going to be an IMPORTANT character who will reveal amazings things we will have like 12 weird bald dudes with scars and fucking d.b. cooper and also we will write the real abraham lincoln into our show because we have a dude named Lincoln try and beat that Lost
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The ending of lost wasn't disappointing because I expected it to be a disappointment...
IDK, it just felt like lazy writing. REALLY lazy. The first 3 seasons were good, 4 was awful, 5 was OK, 6 started out OK and then the ending made all 6 seasons seem incredibly pointless.
On the other hand, Fringe's story is finally ceasing to suck. It's actually become, like a story, rather than weird shit of the week.
J.J. Abrams apparently had little to nothing to do with seasons 2-6 of Lost according to a friend of mine. Don't know his source though so I can't confirm that.
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ghostville is a good name I just have to figure out to use it. by the way ragnar you don't have to make me music anymore, the hard drive I had my stuff on died but if you want you can make some music and if I like it I'll design a game around it. this goes for anyone
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I thought the series finale was phenomenal, and worked great for what the story was. My theory is that, right at the beginning for Season 1, all the characters were dead when the plane crashed. In the "sideways universe" (which wasn't a sideways timeline at all but a purgatory-like existence), the characters were living out their lives unaware that they were dead, and actually trapped from moving on to whatever comes next. The reason they couldn't is because they needed redemption and the ability to move on from their past lives - and they accomplished this on the Island. The entire show was about Jack (and the other flawed characters) redemption story - it's why Jacob brought them to the island, and why they needed to go back when some were able to leave.
When you look at it that way, the fact that they never explained the numbers well, or what exactly the nature of the smoke monster was, didn't seem too important for me.
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I've been seeing a lot of people going like "Oh! It's totally okay that they didn't explain [Gaping ][/Gaping] and [y]!"
I think its because everybody has put it behind them because they happened like 3 seasons ago. You've forgotten about them and you've stopped caring about them. It's none of this, oh its not IMPORTANT to have even the slightest understanding of [important ][/important] because I forgot about it. Fuck you lost writers. You let the show drag on and somebody slapped a due-date one you and you just tried to do damage control for a season.
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I dont know what to think...
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I've been seeing a lot of people going like "Oh! It's totally okay that they didn't explain [Gaping plot whole x] and [y]!"
its not IMPORTANT
Yeah pretty much.
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They dead all this time, obviously, they just need to let go, and they watch Christian walk into the light, that's all it was, but the island was real
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it's like a really retarded version of Jacob's Ladder then
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yeah I dunno a couple years ago I got THE LEAGUE OF GENTLEMEN on DVD and that was pretty good but having it in my hands I didn't realize that it was only like 10 episodes long I think. Maybe 18 or something but pretty short and that's only 6 episodes a series/season I don't understand how british tv works
yeah most series in british television get 6 episodes per series unless it is LONG STANDING/EPIC DRAMA/PANEL SHOW but there is a lot of good british tv and big ass skelly doesnt know what hes saying (too busy working in the mines)
i realise i am not contributing anything with this post!! DERAIL OVER
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Yeah pretty much.
so you're totally okay with writers just pulling out bullshit plot devices that are simply only made possible by their "magical" powers of "convenience."
there's quite a difference between the suspension of disbelief, and just plain lazy writing
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so you're totally okay with writers just pulling out bullshit plot devices that are simply only made possible by their "magical" powers of "convenience."
Yeah, actually. I've always liked the characters infinitely more than the mysteries of the islands anyway, and in my opinion, they've never faltered in character development (with perhaps the exception of Locke's death, but in retrospect, I even kind of like how that was done now).
it's like a really retarded version of Jacob's Ladder then
Lots of people got confused over the ending, but that's probably the best way to explain it.
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I don't understand, what were you guys expecting? When Jacob gave Richard his drink in Ab Aeterno, every one of Richard's cellular telomeres stopped shortening per DNA replication, allowing all cells to maintain optimal viability ad infinitum? You really wanted LOST to say THAT to the audience?
Look, the show is not a reality-based drama, it's sci-fi. Asking how the Smoke Monster became, is like asking how Frodo became invisible upon wearing the ring of power. The show is set in an open-ended creative arena, and to want tangible scientific rational explanations for the most irrational things is just foolish.
Yes, it's true that the mysteries were enticing, but you DID get answers to almost everything - but through mythology and not textbook science.
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well uh, providing some sort of scientific justification for fictional things is KINDA a staple of sci-fi. lotr is fantasy, lost is mostly just fiction with some sci-fi mixed in
regardless, you missed the point. I'm not sure anyone in this thread gives a shit about stuff like that, they just were expecting some sort of explanation (scientific, mythical, whatever the writers were in the mood for) for all those seemingly arbitrary things. but apparently they really were just arbitrary
also a lot of the loose ends they said they'd tie up were neglected
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Matthew was actually trying not to cry when he was on Kimmel.
But the "omg they were all dead" was shocking and obvious at the same time.
Flashsidesways was a way for the survivors to meet again, Hurley was the king of the island for a long time, and soon passed on.
Great ending to the show, and it worked, even if they decided to go with the ending anyhow. They denied as much as possible, so we can go onto other theories.
Jack then went to the afterlife/sideways and forget things, then he was the last one to remember and everyone was happy. Except for some.
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wow im pretty surprised anybody at gw what with it's high standards thinks this is anything but terrible. i netflixed all of the seasons right before the 6th season so i've been pretty up to date on the show as per the finale and i am pretty blown away by how terrible a job the writers did.
the purgatory thing was brought up in season 1 by fans and since then the writers have continually denied it so it's a bit of a slap in the face. i think it's common knowledge the writers didn't know how they would end the series ahead of time but the ending they gave negates alot of moments/episodes/scenes that we were led to believe would be pretty important, for instance, MIB putting desmond in a well and telling sayid to kill him. doesn't make much sense since he needed desmond to get off the island
i guess i really loved this show at the beginning which is why i am raging about it but even aside from ruining the rest of the series, the finale was an hour longer than it should have been. people on the island ran back and forth for literallty the first hour without doing anything. not sure if i should be angry because this is what happened on the island throughout the season. in the sideways the same thing happened over and over- person a meets person b, they remember they are in love and the audience gets a cry moment.
to anybody that watched only recent episodes, you really should go back and watch season 1. it's very good!
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wow im pretty surprised anybody at gw what with it's high standards thinks this is anything but terrible
you shouldn't be. just using names of lost fans from this thread, it's like if you made a topic about how good the hellboy movies are, then nemesis1972 agrees with you and ultimaweapon9 says wow I'm pretty surprised anybody at gw what with its high standards thinks this is anything but terrible. the whole gw high standards thing doesn't exist, people just have different opinions and will post them if they feel they can back them up critically or if they want to make a joke. this is not a bad thing
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yea i don't really think gw has higher standards i meant that as a whole gw has a sour attitude towards most of these big deal shows (most shows in general?) and lost seems kind of an easy target
i was just being a smartass im not trying to start an argument
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Yeah, remember how I said I wasn't disappointed because I figured it would be bad, I've thought about it... and over time, I've begun to hate it the more I think about it... because of my incremental realizations of the pretty big things they just never explained.
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the ending they gave negates alot of moments/episodes/scenes that we were led to believe would be pretty important, for instance, MIB putting desmond in a well and telling sayid to kill him. doesn't make much sense since he needed desmond to get off the island
He didn't need Desmond to get off the island. He needed the candidates dead to get off the island. He tried by blowing them up in the submarine, but when that failed, he realized that with Desmond still alive, he could use him to destroy the island, which would inadvertently kill off the Candidates, again giving him the opportunity to leave the island. He can't kill them himself, just like he couldn't kill Jacob himself. He needs to accomplish these things through pawns. The bomb in the sub would not have gone off had Sawyer not pulled the wires, just HIMSELF activating the bomb and killing the others.
I found how amazing and far reaching some of the main themes of the show were. I just realized that Jack started off as the man of science and by the end of the show, became the man of faith. Likewise, WE, the audience, began the show as people of science, and by the end, as the creators intended I believe, to transcend into people of faith. That's why so much of the show was based on the mythology of the island, why so many of the QUESTIONS were indeed ANSWERED, but not in a scientific way that Jack wanted initially, but rather through mythology - and, like Jack, you needed to have faith in it to accept them as the answers.
The show also reflected heavily on, just life itself. Some of our greatest mysteries cannot be answered through Science. And when we try, we get vague theories, that are eternally complex and only justified by equations and beliefs in formulas - not through actual witnessing and believing (Big Bang Theory comes to mind). And what CAN actually be the answers to life's greatest questions? Well, faith again. And you need to believe, to be content with the answers.
The parallels to our lives. The themes that expand and encompass so much. I thought the show was beautifully done.
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I found how amazing and far reaching some of the main themes of the show were. I just realized that Jack started off as the man of science and by the end of the show, became the man of faith. Likewise, WE, the audience, began the show as people of science, and by the end, as the creators intended I believe, to transcend into people of faith. That's why so much of the show was based on the mythology of the island, why so many of the QUESTIONS were indeed ANSWERED, but not in a scientific way that Jack wanted initially, but rather through mythology - and, like Jack, you needed to have faith in it to accept them as the answers.
The show also reflected heavily on, just life itself. Some of our greatest mysteries cannot be answered through Science. And when we try, we get vague theories, that are eternally complex and only justified by equations and beliefs in formulas - not through actual witnessing and believing (Big Bang Theory comes to mind). And what CAN actually be the answers to life's greatest questions? Well, faith again. And you need to believe, to be content with the answers.
The parallels to our lives. The themes that expand and encompass so much. I thought the show was beautifully done.
This. I never really thought about it that way. Nicely done.
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lol
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wat.
No, they weren't even giving acceptable MYTHICAL reasons. Typically, fantasy worlds with magic and shit have some rules and boundaries to the magic that is usually based on something.
Lost just fucking left things... unexplained. Characters with little to no motivation to do the things they did. And characters that essentially served no purpose at all. So many arbitrary things. Now these arbitrary things would normally be OK. Sometimes they are necessary so that things don't become completely predictable but the show displayed these arbitrary things as if they were important to the overarching story.
The show has ended. And I'm happy it's over finally. But that is it. It's ending succeeds no where else.
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Nicely done.
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Ah, just deal with it, many were butthurt by the ending, might not be as original, but it worked.
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why 'butthurt'?
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I would have liked to have seen Hurley and Ben run the island. That would have made better tv than the whole of season 6.
Cant help but wonder if the both of them lived on for a few extra hundred years running the island.
I know its over but I still find the mystery behind the island intriguing.
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^ We are going to extra footage of what happens to Hurley and Ben on DVD. It's a promise.
@Jamie only because the chosen theory of the sideways world of them all dead and having to move on
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I found how amazing and far reaching some of the main themes of the show were. I just realized that Jack started off as the man of science and by the end of the show, became the man of faith. Likewise, WE, the audience, began the show as people of science, and by the end, as the creators intended I believe, to transcend into people of faith. That's why so much of the show was based on the mythology of the island, why so many of the QUESTIONS were indeed ANSWERED, but not in a scientific way that Jack wanted initially, but rather through mythology - and, like Jack, you needed to have faith in it to accept them as the answers.
this is actually pretty solid, but the sad truth is it didn't come into play until "OOPS IT'S FINAL SEASON LET'S WRAP IT UP"
i mean jack didn't swap to the faith side until episodes into the last season, and when the backgammon thing turns out to be GOOD vs EVIL and then is revealed to be the theme of the entire show minutes from the end, it's not beautifully architect or anything!!! they made the shit up at the end; thats what bothers me.
if there had been even a little bit of any of the things they claim this show is about midway through the series and proven that they aren't just revisiting season 1 ideas to make it look like they had a plan, this would be an amazing show. (the adam and eve skeletions are the perfect example of their bs)
it really bores me also when people are impressed with the purgatory bit at the end because all they did was set up couples the way harry potter did at the end of the book series. seriously it was like deviantart-grade writing.
it's also a problem to me that flashes from the last season are made to be a pivotal part of the plot throughout the season because essentially they are saying "we wasted your time with flashbacks in the other seasons"
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I'm not going to spoiler tag since you shouldn't be reading this unless you've seen the finale!
I hated the ending. I wish those final 10 minutes didn't exist because they ruined the show for me. My suspicion is that the whole show was supposed to be purgatory from the start. Elements then start to make sense, like the fact that characters were killed once they found redemption (Shannon, Boone, etc.). But then once people started suspecting the purgatory angle the writers were all "Oh no! They figured it out" so they decided to lie about it and revise their gameplan into an incoherent mess that ultimately makes no sense. How can anyone be astonished at the sideways = purgatory angle when it's something they introduced only in the last season? That's not planning anything. It's clear they started making things up as they went along resulting in what has to be the most unnecessarily convoluted show in history. The season 3 finale provided a high point in the series for me, and it revitalized my faith in the writers at that point, but in the end I feel cheated to have trusted them. They really had no idea what to do with all the loose ends they created, so they ignored them, hoped the audience would ignore them as well (seems to have worked for a lot of people) and then wrote an ending that makes them meaningless.
This whole sentiment of "the show has always been about the characters" is BS. The show's biggest character was the island itself in the earlier seasons, and to see it get neglected and get the short end of the stick is so disappointing. Why does this ending suck? Because you can stick it onto ANY show in existence and it would have the same effect.
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don't you get it Mateui!?
Its the mystique of the island!! don't question lost!
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"If we did such a thing after repeatedly stating otherwise, we'd be tarred and feathered!" ~ Damon Lindelof on purgatory
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Look, it may of been purgatory. It may of not had much answers.
But fuck it was beautiful. Letting go was the main reason these characters were meant for. The monster, the others, etc. All great sagas.
Though, when FLocke was killed, you would think he could of just vanished into thin air all smokey like, instead of just being stuck in Locke's body.
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no, i'm pretty sure whatever removing the cork from down in the cave pretty much made the smoke monster "human." It just so happens to be that the humanity forced him to be stuck in locke's body now.
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Well. MIB's body was thrown into the light by Jacob, so it's safe to assume the light killed MIB, and
stuck him into a state that's not necessarily alive nor dead (some sort of smokey soul state, which
makes somekind of far-fetched sense if you take into account the whispers). Actually, at the very least
he's been seperated from his own physical body. So much is made clear.
Since almost everything in the series revolves around some kind of energy (the light, electromagnetism)
I'm pretty sure that the smokey-powers stopped functioning when the light disappeared (cork). This
would also mean that smokey would've been gone if he hadn't had locke's body, since he has none
of his own.
Anyway, some of you have made sound arguments against the series (people have been doing so for
6 bloody years), but I still love it to death. I've been rewatching the series again, and I can't really
find fault in the storytelling (except for walts' constant reappearing and then being dismissed).
What I really like is that, in the last two to three seasons, they've been building up to a point where
even the finale can be interpreted differently than presented. Personally, I'm not satisfied with the
purgatory explanation, so I watched closer.
I have come to the belief that when they exploded jughead, on an island fueled by the Light energy
(which has to do with electro-magnesism and apparently time-travel), they still made the alternate
time-line. But now, it is also an alternate dimension, (Sounds quite daft, but Faraday's notes allude
to this) where the plane didn't crash. By the end of the series they find out about their 'other lives',
in the same way Desmond did while still on the island. (Christians choice of words - "you died" rather
than "You're dead" - might be some pointer)
I found a rather detailed theory matching mine on Lostpedia. It's quite interesting to read if you're
a fan of the series, and some of them aren't half insane. Lost is quite a philosophic series fueled by
character drama, so it's fitting they good parts open for own interpretation. I kind of would've been
disappointed if they hadn't.