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General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: Drule on May 26, 2010, 05:34:02 pm
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Hey pals!
When we launched this version of GW our intention was to sort of shut the whining down because there was way too much inane discussion about GW that lead absolutely nowhere. Meanwhile the plan was to kind of semi-develop new add-on services that we were going to add to the mainsite (see the top bar on the mainpage) but hey, look where we are now. Still the same place. Last November I temporarily lost my job over a contract disagreement and ASE got busy(ier) with school, so everything pretty much came to a halt when we had to sort out our real lives.
ANYWAY.
I still love GW and Bart still loves GW and everyone else still claim they love GW, so while we've all been happy and apathetic about GW's future for a good while now I have SECRETLY BEEN WORKING on a site that we are hoping to replace GW in the near future. We've made a few topics and statements about it here and there but nothing concrete, so here comes an official "new GW"-topic that you've only seen a handful of times before. I'll give you all a brief explanation of what it's going to be, and then you can all give input and come up with your cool suggestions. No need to mention an RPG arena-system, because we're already hard at work on that...
SO.
First things first, it's not going to be called GW. Or maybe it will, we haven't decided on a name yet. Could be GW. Could be Astrojone. Could be RPG Cove. We don't know! The plan however is to launch the site on a completely new server under a completely different name so we can put an end to the current state of GW once and for all, because quite frankly, the community is hella old. Like right now we're the internet equivalent of a crumbling old soviet building that could fall apart at any moment. In fact, it partly has already!
Second, you're obviously wondering what the site is going to look like and how it's going to function. Well too bad! Top secret information. Actually, I haven't finished the layout yet, but I'm working on it as I code. The concepts are looking really sweet, and I'm going to post some piccies as soon as I have something presentable. As for the functionality, it's basically going to carry on the concept consensus from way back when Mateui was still admin and we had a two-year development process that never got us anywhere. The site is going to be organized like this:
News
- This issue
- Last issue
- Archive
- Reader picks
- Podcast
Games
- Catalog
- Competition winners
Development
- Tutorials
- Devlogs
Community
- Forums
- IRC
- Webradio/TV?
- Wiki? (in the case that someone would like to chronicle old GW characters and productions)
Info
- Mission statement, advertising info etc.
I am guessing your first question will be WHAT THE FRICK IS UP WITH THE NEWS SECTION? And well, the answer is that the news on GW have always been boring as heck. Whoever read UPDATE FRIDAYS or whatever they were called back on GW3 except for the staff? Nobody. So, what we're going to do instead is kind of a semi-meta-updated newspaper or magazine-like section that displays all the latest news, games, development resources and most importantly FORUM TOPICS on a weekly basis, meaning that the front page will start next to completely blank on Mondays and gradually build up over the course of the week, and "Last issue" is going to show the complete issue from last week. Archive is self-explanatory, and so are the rest of the sections I guess!
For the Podcast I am hoping that a kind and funny soul will be able to frequently make inane selectbutton (http://www.selectbutton.net/)-esque podcast entries to be added on the mainsite. As it looks now, Jamie/jamicus is up for hosting some kind of frequent collaboration podcast, so I'm hoping this will work out. Otherwise we'll have to have some boring-ass Rm2k guy read tutorials out loud which has been 99% of GW's content since Bart first put it together back in 2001 which in turn makes you wonder how the heck GW managed to survive this long in the first place!
Anyway, so what's the point of this topic? Well, I'd like to hear your questions and ideas so far. If you want to rant and rave then go ahead I guess, but I don't want to turn this into another WHAT GW NEEDS topic. Do feel free to say whatever the heck you want though, because in the end it's only going to help us develop the best possible site we can!
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Yeah I am still doing the podcast. I am sorry for being slow, but it's gonna happen real soon. I've been distracted...but that's no excuse for slacking off. After this first one, I think it will be possible to do things more frequently. Let me have a think about that though...I think I just had an idea.
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It's cool that you took the time to post that Ryan.
GW still has about 10-50 active users (logged in) at any given time. Guess we should just let it die instead of turning it into something productive. :rolleyes:
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definitely a vote from me for astrojone. among other very important reasons it is definitely UNIQUE, you know?
and as i said on IRC will help in any way i can. i do fucking love this community and i want to see it become great again, and i do believe this is the best way to go about it.
it's about time, you know? i really don't like the direction this community has gone. we've all (obviously not everyone) become senile and hate newcomers. and it shouldn't be like that! i think GW in a way has always been against change, and noone has been able to agree on anything, which is self-destructive, and this is exactly what is needed. a huge big ol' foot in the door and someone to take charge.
i, for one, welcome our new overlords...
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do you know your proposal almost sounds like a rehash of previous gws--the ones that failed, and were part of an entirely different community? I know you have all these ideas you'd like to try out, but just going by the information in your post it seems like you haven't put much thought into how they're going to work with the community or bring in new members, or if bringing in members should even be a goal. that the focus is apparently still games, TUTORIALS and maybe even chipsets rather than user-created content in general is kind of disappointing, because while we still have a lot of really great game makers here we also have tons of talent in other areas and it'd be nice to see the New GW reflect that. on the other hand, if it's your intention to recreate the community based upon your own interests and your own vision for the website, that's not a very good idea and the site will probably fail just like your previous effort. you can't force the community to take part in your new website if they don't want to, and there are plenty of other game development websites for prospective members to join.
it's good that you guys are working on it now, I hope something good comes out of it. also btw I don't know how astrojone sounds in Sweden or if that was a serious suggestion but here in english-speaking countries it sounds a little like turds rolling around in a diaper. that's ok if that's what you want I just thought you should know
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it's good that you guys are working on it now, I hope something good comes out of it. also btw I don't know how astrojone sounds in Sweden or if that was a serious suggestion but here in english-speaking countries it sounds a little like turds rolling around in a diaper. that's ok if that's what you want I just thought you should know
what, i have no idea how you associate ASTRO with diapers.
maybe you just got diapers on the brain?
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also can we rename it to pungworld - world of pungs
i'm gonna stop shitting in this topic now. will post suggestions when i come up with some.
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well i don't think this is a good idea because i don't think GW has anything productive to add to the internet that people would be interested in.
but good luck anyways. it's gonna be a sad day when these forums disappear, but i guess there's no other way.
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I don't associate it with diapers I'm saying astrojone sounds like turds rolling around in diapers. I don`t know how to say it anyway else..
it's about time, you know? i really don't like the direction this community has gone. we've all (obviously not everyone) become senile and hate newcomers. and it shouldn't be like that! i think GW in a way has always been against change, and noone has been able to agree on anything, which is self-destructive, and this is exactly what is needed. a huge big ol' foot in the door and someone to take charge.
i, for one, welcome our new overlords...
I don't think what you said about hating newcomers is true at all. if it was ever true in the past, it doesn't really seem to happen anymore. eg everyone loves buttkiller, and guys like everyclear fit in just fine tho he might still be an oldbie in disguise or a bot. I'm not really sure anyone is against change either. I mean we all voted for Obama right :)
also I guess you missed when drule and the rest of the staff took charge, made decisions and made big changes to the mainsite last time. I'm grateful for that effort and all, but it obviously didn't work. just doing something isn't enough, and it's best not to waste what little time and effort we've got to spend on something that's not gonna work
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Well, the incentive behind the creation of this new version is that there is a popular game engine in production that so far only has an application development side to its community, and as it is gaining a lot of ground and has been for a good while it is going to need a game design-oriented side as well, and this is the spot we are hoping to fill - kind of like how GW was one of the few Rm2k outlets back in the day.
I've been chatting with the developers and userbase, and while the response has been half positive half indifferent, I've seen a lot of interest from them in this idea, and we're hoping that they'll be even more persuaded once we see through this website. In addition to that we're going to support a line of next generation platform independent game development engines and toolkits that I guess you could consider standard for the current indie developers, which will hopefully land us more development-oriented members.
Also, we're going to work with a few popular game development sites that will hopefully advertise us once we're up and running, and I'm hoping to see some more of this too.
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oh I see. that sounds pretty good
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Well, the incentive behind the creation of this new version is that there is a popular game engine in production that so far only has an application development side to its community, and as it is gaining a lot of ground and has been for a good while it is going to need a game design-oriented side as well, and this is the spot we are hoping to fill - kind of like how GW was one of the few Rm2k outlets back in the day.
I've been chatting with the developers and userbase, and while the response has been half positive half indifferent, I've seen a lot of interest from them in this idea, and we're hoping that they'll be even more persuaded once we see through this website. In addition to that we're going to support a line of next generation platform independent game development engines and toolkits that I guess you could consider mainstream for the current indie developers, which will hopefully land us more development-oriented members.
Also, we're going to work with a few popular game development sites that will hopefully advertise us once we're up and running, and I'm hoping to see some more of this too.
wait are you talking about rpgmaker ds that's coming out
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yea what game engine is this?
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the only new engine that's remotely piqued my interest is construct is that it??
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Doesn't matter how much of it is up, once something is up I'll be all over content development. I don't care which specific engines the site plans to front in it's new incarnation, as long as it'll continue supporting any method of game development.
Also name suggestion: GamingJone
That way it can take the best from both of the most popular names. As an additional plus, the abbreviation of it is more identifiable aswell (GJ > GW).
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I'm not entirely sure on what would be a good name for the website, but I completely agree with what's going to happen. Especially if we sort of "partner up" with this new game engine you speak of, it'll help bring new members as well as keep the oldies.
Another thing in regards to the name, I believe it shouldn't be a name that focuses directly on the games part of things. Yes, that has been a large part of GamingW (mostly the name, but whatever) for the last decade (It's a decade, isn't it?) but we also have a good deal of musicians and artists from what we've seen with the Troubs, so I think that should possibly be another focus for the mainsite as it's a large focus here in the community.
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Since it is a new community that Drule is planning rather than a GW revival, I can't really say "just like the previous attempts, this one won't work." Instead, I'm really hoping that it succeeds because there's no joy in seeing a new community with lots of promise crash into the ground the moment it takes off into the air.
Is Bart still footing the bill for GW? If so, then GW would still be around when the new site is launched? I'd hate to see GW be engulfed by the new site, or have all of its members members taken away. I'm sure there would be people who would still gladly post at both sites, though.
Food for thought, a lot of us probably don't care much about game making much anymore. I probably would if a really neat tool came along, but overall I really only come to GW because it has cool people and I like reading what they have to say, what they think of things. I like reading the opinions of the members here, that's the big draw for me.
Having the new site focusing on game making and all is a great idea, especially if there is something really cool in store with that, but there will be still room for articles, editorials, whatever?
When I saw "this issue" and "last issue" I immediately thought of The Escapist (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/) and how they have a "weekly online magazine" format that has a different theme every week. Sometimes the themes aren't too interesting, but there's always at least one article that's very well worth reading. I think that they really nailed the online magazine feature nearly to perfection. Will the new site's "issues" incorporate any of the features that The Escapist uses? I'm not saying steal from them or anything, but they have a pretty awesome format that works well.
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No, Bart won't be paying for this server. Basic userdata is going to be ported over to the new site once SMF 3.0 is released, and GW will either be shut down or placed directly under http://www.gamingw.net/ as a forum without a mainsite, depending on what Bart wants.
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SMF 3.0? SMF 2.0 isn't even out yet. :P
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Wow sorry, I made a typo. Please don't break my arm...
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yea what game engine is this?
fury^2
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i like the sound of what you have laid out here. kinda skimmed but, but it sounds like a good idea.
but astrojone is an awful name. i think LUMP UNDER ARMPIT would be a better name
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i'm taking this whole topic with a grain of "salt" :fogetsmile:
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overall I really only come to GW because it has cool people and I like reading what they have to say, what they think of things. I like reading the opinions of the members here, that's the big draw for me.
this man speaks the truth
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Names are hard.
If we can't think of a name that's good, that's what we should name the new site.
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The times, they are a-changing.
It's nice to see something new happening and I'm totally down with the "issues" idea and you can be sure I'd write for it. I won't lie and say I'm totally alright with the idea of shutting GW down, but hey, let's wait and see.
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Wow sorry, I made a typo. Please don't break my arm...
This was really funny. I loled.
On topic: I think this is really great and I'm really excited to see what you [guys?] come up with. I'm hoping there will be more interest in the newer editors like Construct, and game design in general, while still retaining a sort of loose atmosphere. I guess I'd like to see something like a more casual and hilarious Gamasutra, with a focus on community and indie content. I have a lot of free time right now (job plz), so if this gets rolling I'd enjoy writing some articles every now and then.
One of the big draw-ins, and how I originally found GW many years ago (I think my original name was Altamore, then Polygon, then Farmrush idk I was 14), were the resources. Graphics, music, chipsets, etc, and while I feel there is some trend away from toolkits like RM2K and toward more advanced ones, there really needs to be a hook--a reason for people to even join in the first place. This site would obviously be building on the foundations of GW, which I think gives it a real leg-up, I hope it doesn't just topple over.
Does that make sense?
ps saltworld
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all I ask is that you don't put "game" "gaming" or anything to do with that in the name
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why not just call it GW and refuse to decipher the mystery letters. that's pretty much what people do anyway.
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I actually like this proposed site direction. I think it takes the best parts of the two worlds of game development and community and meshes them together into one cohesive unit. An argument against going back to game development is that most of us don't really care for it anymore, and while that may be true, I'm of the opinion that if you build it, they will come. Remember when we had tons of new members coming in daily once before? The majority of these came with the hope of creating some sort of game, but eventually stayed around for the community once they got involved. I think that with this site up and running even those of us who have gotten over that game-making itch may be tempted to give it another go - there will be a platform to present any completed projects and with our increased maturity from our past (ok, most of us), I'm betting that we'll see a lot of great and inspiring games from some of the established names in GW.
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The new official gamemaker for Gaming World is: http://www.explore-rpg.com/.
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grand-theft-dilby.edu
oneliners.net
gamingworld.gov
fallenheros.tv
xangasigs.com
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how about gaming galaxy. instead of just a world we become an entire galaxy!!! the entire galaxy will be completely united in GW!!
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and otherwise you can just name it Gaming Ground *insert number here*
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all I ask is that you don't put "game" "gaming" or anything to do with that in the name
gambling world
My dream is that the next GW will have credit card based identification to force everybody use their real name.
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i hope the engine we're supporting is inform
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i hope the engine we're supporting is inform
(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/1664/jerkcity2818.gif)
also yeah looking forward to the new site!
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SaltJonesGaming [SJG]
http://www.sjgaming.com Is available ??
Also Whats the Stance on Premium Members. Do we get any recognition on this new site? Will a Premium-ship be added after and be a new fee to obtain, or would it be free to existing Premiums of GW?
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oh you premiums think that you are so special.
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I know you ain't said anything yet, but having a Construct sub-community on GW would be pretty exciting. It's probably the best tool available for somebody looking to wean themselves off of rpgmaker, but it really lacks a strong community. It's very hard to learn something new when there are maybe only 20 people on the entire internet even talking about it
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How 'bout you just call the new site Thirty Seven Reasons For
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i hope the engine we're supporting is inform
I hope the engine we're supporting is google
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GAYmign wrold.
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I hope the engine we're supporting is google
Damn straight.
Also, Premium Members should get exclusive voting rights on the status of the new site's name. (since they are the only members who have any real stake in the outcome of that ongoing debate)
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premium members have a stake in the outcome of the new name of this site? you really need to explain that
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All of us Premiums have Paid our $15 and then some, I bought myself my Premium and then I just kinda threw one at some random I liked who was half active at the time cause I wanted to support GW and didnt really care who got the Prem.
But the Prems have helped GW a lot, more so than a non Prem. And considering Zoo's been out and now our only real current +1up is the Golden name (which saddens me that the colors Prem names I helped change and was a part of, are now gone) So at least let us go with one more bang for our bucks of either letting Premiums transfer [And/Or] Letting us vote on the final name from a poll...
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Yeah I think definitely if there's any sort of premium system on the new site, members should still retain their premium. It's been quite a while since it's meant anything.
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I'm sure everyone's got an opinion on the name but it's not that important. We're more interested in hearing if you have any suggestions regarding the site functionality.
Also I am not so sure we are going to save each member's premium status if we implement it on the new site. Partly because the money went to Bart for the server costs, partly because $15 bucks is not much and you've been sitting on your status for like 5 years, but also because admins started handing out premium status to everyone at one point, i.e. demoted mods, competition winners and people they liked which sort of created a situation where everyone had premium but only half had paid for it.
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gonna comment/post a big text about this within a day or two so expect some good comments about this by then.
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but also because admins started handing out premium status to everyone at one point, i.e. demoted mods, competition winners and people they liked which sort of created a situation where everyone had premium but only half had paid for it.
I don't care what you do with premium membership and I think it's a pretty unimportant issue in relation to everything else in this thread, but I don't think what you said here is true at all. I know free premium membership was given to a few people, but there's like 425 premium members total. ex-mods (excluding those who had premium before becoming mods) and competition winners account for like what, 25 of those premium memberships? possibly less, since I know competitions like the one that got me my premium membership still had someone paying the $15. if you are gonna have some sort of stupid premium membership that's comparable to the one we've got now it should probably carry over
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Yeah, I don't think that ex-moderators make up most of the premium membership people on this forum. Also, maybe you should implement something where rather than being a permenant status, where premium membership is something that is only for a certain period of time (6 months, a year, etc.) and those who are currently on the premium membership could have it for the first time being, and then if they want to continue it like anyone else, they pay whatever fee is associated with premium membership. It's not like there is any actual current benefit for being premium anyways at the moment, especially with the pubaccess not working, and the happy zoo not having been functional for like two years now.
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Is there a way to integrate things like IRC into the site more? Like... uhh... an in-browser chat-room? Presumably that would be linked to your forum account. I am just thinking it could be useful for newer members to get more involved, but also I'm wondering how difficult it would be, and possibly how completely unnecessary it might be, but that's what brainstorming is all about, right?
Also it would be nice to have the ability to link to your projects and resources under your name in each of your posts. Here let me explain:
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9056/demopost.png)
And then users could click those links and see what projects I'm currently working on (progress, ideas, etc, maybe even a little comment field where they could leave notes about it), or click on my resources and see what tutorials I've written, graphics I've submitted, etc.
Just some idea, but I don't know how well they fit into the big picture.
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I'm not saying ex-mods make up a large part of the premiums, but there have been a lot of premium-handout topics with joke themes over the years and I am sure that there is a large group of premiums whether old mods or not that never paid for their status.
The main reason however is that this is going to be a new site run by new people. We are going to have a lot of bonus and reward systems, and I'm not even sure that we're going to keep the premium status in the old sense. If we do however, we're probably going to reset everything since the original point of the status was to help pay for server costs, and the site is now going to be in the hands of other people than Bart. We'll try to think of ways to also reward current premium members though.
Also, the IRC thing is possible, and so is the forum user status display idea. We'll definitely look into it.
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Yeah, I very much like the idea of integration of IRC into the site somehow, as it would increase awareness of the fact that we have it. Also, I think for most people, they have had premium membership for a long enough period of time that in a reasonable version of the policy, it would require them to have had to pay for it multiple times. Or in real words, that they have had it for long enough that its effectiveness is no longer viable. I'm totally okay with removing the whole slate for everyone, but the whole system requires a policy revamp for the effectiveness of removing everyone's status to have been worth it in the long run.
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idk why any of that projects/resources stuff would need to be displayed under your name in each of your forum posts. in the profile maybe
also everyclear don't assume that charging on a monthly/yearly basis would bring in more money than a one-time $15 donation
The main reason however is that this is going to be a new site run by new people
I'm not sure what this means. it will be run by new people in what capacity? from everything you've said so far I'm starting to get the impression this is gonna be an entirely new, different website that's got nothing to do with this place or the community here but for some reason we're gonna merge anyway
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also everyclear don't assume that charging on a monthly/yearly basis would bring in more money than a one-time $15 donation
fair enough point. I'm guessing that from the standpoint of a lot of current members they would be okay with giving like 10-15 dollars to the site about once a year or so, so that would be an increase, but on the other hand i could see how going on a yearly basis rather than a permenant basis would be more threatening to newer members who are just finding the site for the first time and would be wary about even staying around in the community in the first place. That of course though, is based on the whole concept of new people actually coming to the site, which is definitely what needs to be focused on the most. The rest can fall into line later I suppose.
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I'm not sure what this means. it will be run by new people in what capacity? from everything you've said so far I'm starting to get the impression this is gonna be an entirely new, different website that's got nothing to do with this place or the community here but for some reason we're gonna merge anyway
Well, that's because it is going to be an entirely different site that succeeds GW in the spiritual sense I guess. It's not exactly a merger either, as we are just copying over the database to retain everyone's user status while either shutting down or leaving GW in Bart's hands.
Also to clarify, we are not in need of funding at this point, so if we do implement premium membership it'll probably be handed out via competitions and rewards rather than through payment.
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Don't shoot me down for saying this but it's been about 4-5 years since rm2k and other game design creators were really popular, shouldn't the site be looking to move on and expand from that area? Obviously that's no easy suggestion and understandably we shouldn't throw that part of the website away, the site has produced some great game making talent and should continue to help push those kind of individuals into the limelight. But GW has been growing quiet over the last few years and the most important thing here is the community (which is why it's last so long), maybe the site should expand into more general gaming or possibly other areas because there's some decent taste in this forum in all areas. I'm saying all of this as an outsider, and don't want to be a hindrance, but with the idea of having a whole new site with a different name and almost a fresh start, would it be an idea to expand from something that the community itself seems to have grown out of?
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HTML5 is the new rpg maker, just wait for it guys
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Don't shoot me down for saying this but it's been about 4-5 years since rm2k and other game design creators were really popular, shouldn't the site be looking to move on and expand from that area? Obviously that's no easy suggestion and understandably we shouldn't throw that part of the website away, the site has produced some great game making talent and should continue to help push those kind of individuals into the limelight. But GW has been growing quiet over the last few years and the most important thing here is the community (which is why it's last so long), maybe the site should expand into more general gaming or possibly other areas because there's some decent taste in this forum in all areas. I'm saying all of this as an outsider, and don't want to be a hindrance, but with the idea of having a whole new site with a different name and almost a fresh start, would it be an idea to expand from something that the community itself seems to have grown out of?
Well this is what we originally intended back when Mateui was still an admin and was also the approach I sort of naively advocated, but when we threw up the current site we kind of realized that we don't have much to offer yet aside from maybe troubs.
It's probably better to let this stage come naturally instead, like for instance when we have a larger number of new active members and perhaps some fun general activities like podcasts and TOTW or something.
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Lots of flash ads. And all articles should be divided into at least 10 pages no matter how long or short they are. Make it happen!
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I never showed any interest in RM2K or any of its counterparts. Making or Playing. I don't even remember why I originally came here. I vaguely remember a period where I just spent time downloading Gamemaker Games from the main site out of boredom. I probably just clicked whatever link on there to this forum but I don't actually remember what possessed me to begin posting.
In any case, this is my only consistently checked forum. IDK if I'm going to have another one ever in the future. If these updates you plan on adding encourage more posting I'm totally for it and whatever you plan on doing. Just saying you got my support.
Unfortunately my mind draws a blank when it comes to suggestions.
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oh you premiums think that you are so special.
That's because we are.
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I think the hardest part in this will be developing a new identity beyond the old gaming/gamemaking community that is our namesake. That community is still here, but so are so many individuals who were drawn solely by their interest in the arts or unique place to converse. I'm not sure what you would consider the name or the focus of such a diverse community.
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Well this is what we originally intended back when Mateui was still an admin and was also the approach I sort of naively advocated, but when we threw up the current site we kind of realized that we don't have much to offer yet aside from maybe troubs.
It's probably better to let this stage come naturally instead, like for instance when we have a larger number of new active members and perhaps some fun general activities like podcasts and TOTW or something.
If we attracted more of this sort of group thought then we would? I dunno I could imagine that troubadours being something that might cause people to be drawn in if they are interested in that sort of thing. I dunno. Regardless, we really need to get rid of the whole games thing
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If we attracted more of this sort of group thought then we would? I dunno I could imagine that troubadours being something that might cause people to be drawn in if they are interested in that sort of thing. I dunno. Regardless, we really need to get rid of the whole games thing
That's exactly what the GW Blog attempted to do, and it didn't really succeed. Take a look at the forum directory right now. The two forums that have the most people currently viewing them are Gaming and Game Design. Granted, the numbers are pretty low compared to when GW was in its prime, but the common interest that brought almost everyone here was gaming. You may have met some really great people and then started some sort of creative collaboration with them in the form of music/art/etc, but can that really draw new people to the site? I don't believe so, because while these creative outlets allow you to draw closer to some people in the community, to an outsider all they are is some inside-thing they don't don't really "get". (Personally, I don't get some of these things either, so if that was the sole draw to GW I probably wouldn't be here. I came for the games, stayed for the community, but I haven't forgotten about gaming completely. Now that I'm out of College I'm ready to delve back into game making. Maybe some other GWers are feeling the same?).
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to be fair a community called "Gaming world" doesn't exactly seem like it would be a natural breeding group of creative types.
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That's because we are.
I Agree.
In any rate, I'm more than Willing to Give a boom to the Graphic Arts Forum!
Maybe a possible Idea would implementing a drawing/painting application to make art similar to those OtakuBoard things, They have attracted members to boards before. Perhaps have the pictures with some Meta tagging system?
Anyway I'm all for it. GW is basically the only Forum I visit now and I cant lose contact with a Forum (especially one with this Unique user niche)
Q: Will Foget continue to be a Mascot or will he be left with GW when its dead? If so Will there be another Mascot for the new site or not?
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That's exactly what the GW Blog attempted to do, and it didn't really succeed. Take a look at the forum directory right now. The two forums that have the most people currently viewing them are Gaming and Game Design. Granted, the numbers are pretty low compared to when GW was in its prime, but the common interest that brought almost everyone here was gaming. You may have met some really great people and then started some sort of creative collaboration with them in the form of music/art/etc, but can that really draw new people to the site? I don't believe so, because while these creative outlets allow you to draw closer to some people in the community, to an outsider all they are is some inside-thing they don't don't really "get". (Personally, I don't get some of these things either, so if that was the sole draw to GW I probably wouldn't be here. I came for the games, stayed for the community, but I haven't forgotten about gaming completely. Now that I'm out of College I'm ready to delve back into game making. Maybe some other GWers are feeling the same?).
As much as I think this is a really great community and I'm glad to have been, or still be, a part of it, I can't really imagine moving to another site just because the community moved. Hmm.. that's not exactly what I want to say. I just can't see a new GW, without the G... I still feel like even though a lot of people have moved on from game making, or even gaming, it's still like the midichlorians of GW's bloodstream.
Or something.
Especially considering Gaming is still the second most popular subform on GW, behind General, for obvious reasons. I guess I just don't feel like the community would survive a transition to a new site that had very little to do with gaming.
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does anyone know if bonzi_buddy made it home safe? he said he'd post later tonight . . . that was two days ago :fogetunsure:
well I was going to wait for ramci's post to see what he's got to say but since he passed away I'll just go ahead
That's exactly what the GW Blog attempted to do, and it didn't really succeed. Take a look at the forum directory right now. The two forums that have the most people currently viewing them are Gaming and Game Design. Granted, the numbers are pretty low compared to when GW was in its prime, but the common interest that brought almost everyone here was gaming. You may have met some really great people and then started some sort of creative collaboration with them in the form of music/art/etc, but can that really draw new people to the site? I don't believe so, because while these creative outlets allow you to draw closer to some people in the community, to an outsider all they are is some inside-thing they don't don't really "get". (Personally, I don't get some of these things either, so if that was the sole draw to GW I probably wouldn't be here. I came for the games, stayed for the community, but I haven't forgotten about gaming completely. Now that I'm out of College I'm ready to delve back into game making. Maybe some other GWers are feeling the same?).
the supposed broad focus of the GW Blog was probably the least of reasons why it failed. and as I said in maybe my first post? I think the best thing we could do in terms of GW would be to reinvigorate the current community by focusing on user-created content in general and providing all the forum memberg we've already got with some sort of main-page outlet with a real user interface, something similar to what resource sites like www.freesound.org have. the user-created content I'm speaking of includes stuff by game and graphic designers, musicians, film makers and comedians.
but it doesn't seem like anything like this will ever happen if drule's proposal comes into effect. from what I've gathered out of his kinda oddly cryptic posts, it sounds like he's almost just tacking our community onto some existing group of people. then apparently after pushing us into this new setup, drule's letting the new guys from the existing game engine community run the show and expecting our community to for some unknown reason feel like integrating ourselves and participating in this new site despite having no predictable incentive and having literally nothing to do with these people or their game engine. like if the new focus of the website is this new engine and future engines, who here knows or cares about any of that stuff? who's gonna be writing the tutorials and the latest/last issue news articles? if you're depending on the userbase participating on a website that has a focus they're only theoretically interested in, you're leaving a pretty big question mark pertaining to how these jobs are gonna get done. if you're depending on these new guys doing this stuff, then what purpose does our community have being there at all? how are we expected to be integrated into or to care about this new site if it's just some guys independently running the show? the GW Blog had the exact same problem, and I believe that is ultimately why it failed. it's not as simple as well they've got something people want, we've got members, why not combine the two?? if this is the case, should we even bother trying to integrate the two projects or should they remain separate?
I dunno, I need someone to either tell me where I'm wrong or to start thinking of some better ways to handle these issues
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Pretty much drule always has an idea to try to reinvigorate the community, but he obviously doesn't know what people come here for. He knows what they used to come here for, but there's no way to recreate that. But what do I care, really? ever since drule took charge I've been less and less active and it's pretty much because he's always trying to push something onto the community that's most of us don't care about. It's hard to let go of a place that's been part of your life for the better part of the past seven years, but trying to make it a big scene for any specific game engine isn't going to fly these days. The internet as a whole is much bigger than it was ten years ago, and GW has long since retired into the corner. It will never be a thriving site full of fresh new faces again, and honestly if you want this community to continue existing you have to accept that.
It's not like there's never any new members, but GW's community is never going to see them flooding in like the old days, and that's okay. People never really stayed here for the resources, even in the days when that's what originally brought people here. If you want GW to survive, you have to realize that it's about the community, not your silly, misguided ideas of what GW should be.
The reason the past few attempts at a mainsite have failed is because they've felt forced, and the community has been disinterested. They'll put up a fuss about it at the beginning because people feel obligated to have a mainsite, but tacking one on doesn't really change anything, unless it was operated by the community, for the community, and at that point, a mainsite for GW should really be built around the forums, not the other way around.
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Been busy this week but I just want to clarify that this is in no way an attempt to revive GW. We're not looking to retain anything that is typical for GW except for maybe the knockdown on dumb internet memes and topics. I don't see what could possibly be at risk of disappearing if we actually bring some new blood into the picture and have them - gasp - intergrate with the members who choose to come along to the new site.
Maybe calling it "New GW" is a bit misleading since it's going to be a spiritual successor at best, but the good news is that those of you who are vehemently opposed to the idea of trying to do somehing viable with the site now that we have two coders despite its history of failure can stick around the old GW forums and draw Muhammed pictures all day until Bart finally decides to pull the plug. :-)
Now if we could come up with ideas or criticism on anything BUT the odds of this site surviving that would be swell.
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If the ones who matter come with Then I'll be a Common Stay at the New place as well, But please Have a Graphic art part somewhere! I'll try my best with thinking some Ideas for Community Ideas and Events! :)
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Been busy this week but I just want to clarify that this is in no way an attempt to revive GW. We're not looking to retain anything that is typical for GW except for maybe the knockdown on dumb internet memes and topics. I don't see what could possibly be at risk of disappearing if we actually bring some new blood into the picture and have them - gasp - intergrate with the members who choose to come along to the new site.
Maybe calling it "New GW" is a bit misleading since it's going to be a spiritual successor at best, but the good news is that those of you who are vehemently opposed to the idea of trying to do somehing viable with the site now that we have two coders despite its history of failure can stick around the old GW forums and draw Muhammed pictures all day until Bart finally decides to pull the plug. :-)
Now if we could come up with ideas or criticism on anything BUT the odds of this site surviving that would be swell.
see, this is what makes you such an awful guy to try and share ideas and criticism with. I post something, and then you get offended and write up a snarky reply, suddenly releasing new information you had for some reason withheld before. I explicitly asked what you meant by "run by new people" and all you gave me was some vague response that apparently led me down the wrong line of thought. and a lot of this is really important information you probably should have included in the first few lines of the topic.
but most of what I said last post still stands. I'm not sure where you got irritated, because I'm talking about some real abstract issues that your current plan has, and not some stubborn unwillingness to cooperate on our part. you're essentially creating a new site and asking us to come over. I'm saying that won't work out as smoothly as you'd hope unless you stop entirely ignoring our community, who we are, and what we like to do. it's really not much to ask, and it would only benefit the site and make the transition so much easier. so uh, why not carry over the essentials and give them some sort of mainsite visibility? doesn't it fit in with your plan?
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let's just go to tomatoland instead
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I'm not irritated pal and didn't intend to come off as snarky - I wrote that up in a hurry on my cellphone. What I'm trying to say though is that I don't see what aspect of GW we'd lose by introducing members from a different community. What exactly do we have now that's so important to preserve? (they took our jorbs...)
I've already stated earlier in the thread that this is going to be a spiritual successor to GW and not really a new installment of the community, so it's not exactly new information.
Also the reason why the blog failed isn't because of the idea in itself, but rather because the progress came to a halt when our coder dropped out and we got busy with real life stuff (come on I said this in the opening post). There's no real way to gauge how the site would've went if we had actually managed to follow through with the idea. This has been the problem with every intended version of GW since like, GW 3 or 4 or whatever. Now we have a coder, myself not included, and we actually have a viable shot at developing a community platform with mainsite features that correspond the functionality of old GW in its complexity.
Sorry if there is stuff I have forgotten to comment, I'll read through the thread more carefully when I get some time tonight.
P.S. Do feel free to go to Tomatoland. I don't see why anyone wouldn't. :-)
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ok I'll let you read through it, but first I should clear up a couple things. I don't think that adding new members will take anything away, the only thing I was worried about was how you said the site was going to be run by new people, in which you apparently meant two coders. is this true, or will it be run by outside people in a further capacity? will you and ase still be in charge? and I don't mind at all if this is more of a spiritual successor to GW as long as it's headed in the right direction. the only thing worth preserving is a lot of the people here, and I'm not sure that's gonna happen. I know you're not going to clone gw, but I think you do need to be sensitive to some of the reasons why people still come here even without a functioning mainsite for how many years. those reasons have already been discussed pretty thoroughly throughout the thread.
and not that it matters but the blog was kind of failure before it stopped being updated. I don't know what you had planned, but as it was it was really detached from the community and kinda useless to read unless you were interested in indie games and game making. I'm afraid this will happen again if the whole thing is run by outside people and we've got no interest in what's going on. that's what all my talk about providing a mainsite outlet for stuff like album releases etc was about
edit also literally everyone here hated the draw mohammed idea but bled and he's an internet guy who no one likes!!
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The site is going to be run by me and ASE in conjunction with our new technical staff. What I meant by new people is that we're going to separate ourselves from GW and develop something brand new. Of course we're going to incorporate a lot of aspects from GW into the new site - it's not like we can stop people from producing albums and podcasts - but it's still going to be different. It probably won't be a site with content for everyone to enjoy, but that's why we're also probably going to keep the old forums/IRC server around; so that people can still stay in touch.
edit also literally everyone here hated the draw mohammed idea but bled and he's an internet guy who no one likes!!
I know. I was jokingly trying to say that GW is pretty horrible right now and that it wouldn't be the end of the world if we gave the new site a new direction.
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Not everyone. I did not hate the idea... I didn't love it but I didn't hate it. I'll admit I was mostly apathetic.
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Hello everyone.
My laptop broke a few weeks ago so I have mostly been browsing GW from my phone here and there. I also just graduated from college a week ago and have been in SAYING BYE TO FRIENDS / PARTYING mode. Drule has definitely been running the show recently but I will hopefully be much more active now that I am home for the summer.
I haven't read the entire topic yet (will do this soon...) but it sounds a few of you are getting a little internet-xenophobic about moving the community over to a different site/name. Honestly, I don't see this as any different than the whole G&D/RPG MAKER VS. GENERAL conflict we had for years... Everyone sits at different lunch tables and socializes with their OWN KIND.
You oldbies that have stuck around GW for years and years are obviously our most FUN and irreplaceable resources and we wouldn't want you to just VANISH one day. The thing is, GW in its current state IS in danger of vanishing once Bart pulls the plug and therefore a move like this is necessary. I think Drule is trying to plan for the future by developing the community around a powerful indie game engine that is currently lacking a central hub. By porting us over, we can take advantage of the fact that a lot of our members still consider game making a fun hobby and let our userbase grow over time instead of dwindle into nothingness like it has been doing for the past couple of years.
If you HATE GAME MAKING or something, you can continue to isolate yourself in General / Media / whatever the subforums will be called and just never visit the new mainsite to read articles or participate in contests or listen to the podcasts.
But we do need you active users to make the jump with us so that we retain the people that have made GW mysteriously FUN TO READ and visit for so long.
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i agree we'll probably all vanish out of each others lives, apart from a few who know each other really well, and i don't want that to happen. for example, earl. he'd never let me talk to him on irc every day or whatever, but i still want to see what he has to say. and ragner, too. another guy who i need to come along for. and there are lots of others.
so i'll be there. i'm your guy, and i'm here. i've got my own stuff i'm doing, but i'll always be right here. and that?
that's my quote.
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also the podcast is getting done. i have the first 5 minutes complete and i have alot more ready to edit in, i'm just waiting on people submitting and letting me know if they are cool with the whole thing.
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Can You possibly elaborate on the RPG battle system you mentioned ?? :)
And roughly when will the Transfer to new place take place??
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When the site is done and SMF 2.0 has been released.
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i agree we'll probably all vanish out of each others lives, apart from a few who know each other really well, and i don't want that to happen. for example, earl. he'd never let me talk to him on irc every day or whatever, but i still want to see what he has to say. and ragner, too. another guy who i need to come along for. and there are lots of others.
so i'll be there. i'm your guy, and i'm here. i've got my own stuff i'm doing, but i'll always be right here. and that?
that's my quote.
i had hoped to see your thoughts dude. i'm certainly not hopeless at all about GW. everybody is busy feeling ashamed of what they are. everybody's talkin. though i think everybody knows that deep down inside despite this desperate ugly manipulation. there are always options.
i mean... what would stop me from just picking as many people's contact information (msn aim facebook) and leave this place? nothing, really, i got most of them already.
but what i realized few days ago is that i would still miss so many of these people. i wouldn't get to see your or anybody's elaborate thoughts and i wouldn't get to see what everybody collectively thinks about posts. or the occasionally beauty this place can make. like the fund raising or the meeting of inspirations like troubadours. or ahhaha get to hear Chef's live feed about playing Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter. how about a music blog chef suggested? or Velfarre's idea of posting photo's of your hometown, i had thought about it before too and it's a great fucking idea.
anything is better than your casual character and condescension Drule. Oh and hooray for your year-long - manipulation, guess you didn't get your will through here so you deciced to get as many members here while you can? i guess we are just means for ends to you.
thanks for making us seem like a hopeless, worthless community Drule and ase but we are adults and more mature now. we know what we want and i think we can think for ourselves now. everyone knows a new game forum feels forced and after the initial rush the gw community would fall finally. since you are busy making this new, hot indie gaming portal... i think we should do what we can and focus on essential. and only you can stop us now. i wonder if you have the heart for that?
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man i'm killing myself with this sleep deprivation jesus yikes. a lot has happened in my life! tinnitus is no more. i can continue with music if i wish so. i got my life back but uh i didn't want a part of it anyways. i have changed too much. Ryan Buttkiller and FuckAssBitch, your hearing is fine you dorks. if your ear docs say your ears fine then they are. go home and sleep well. i think Farmrush is fine too but he should get into TRT-therapy to believe that.
i think i have whole lot more to say and i have been thinking about this since last weekend but things take time to compress yikes. i'm sorry. tomatoland is on hold until GW is figured out or/and that i have something good to say there. GW is a bigger priority.
maybe Drule didn't mean to be malicious but he wanted to realize his own dream too badly. i mean where does he even need us? we are just bunch of people who like to talk about life and arts in general. isn't this how our most serious game makers are anyways? like hundley and chef. that's why i talk about games even though i have played exactly one indie game in the past 6 months.
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Congrats on your ear recovery!
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Yeah good hear ramci. I love your musics so I hope this means that you're putting out a lot more in the future for me to listen to
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man i'm killing myself with this sleep deprivation jesus yikes. a lot has happened in my life! tinnitus is no more. i can continue with music if i wish so. i got my life back but uh i didn't want a part of it anyways. i have changed too much. Ryan Buttkiller and FuckAssBitch, your hearing is fine you dorks. if your ear docs say your ears fine then they are. go home and sleep well. i think Farmrush is fine too but he should get into TRT-therapy to believe that.
that's nice man! glad your doctors managed to do something about it, tinnitus sucks.
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i think Farmrush is fine too but he should get into TRT-therapy to believe that.
I'm not sure how you determined this? My ears have been ringing for years now. I'll look into TRT.
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congratulations ramci.
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tinnitus is no more.
this is really great to hear, man. :)
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Fuck you earl. You may not like me, but roughly a year or so ago I did my part to code a new mainsite with panda and the whole thing fell apart just like anything else anyone has tried in the past. I also volunteered to help with the blog, as I work with Wordpress on an almost daily basis and have done so for over a year now, but somehow or another that got overlooked as well. People like you make me feel like it was more of a waste of time and effort than I ever thought it could be.
Also, speaking from experience, probably the best thing you guys could do is just stop talking about this altogether and just fucking do it. Whatever it is, whatever your plans are, whatever needs to happen in the near future - just fucking do it. Trying to take everyone's thoughtless opinion into consideration is only going to slow the process down, and if any of you haven't noticed already one of the trademarks of failure thus far as far as updating the mainsite goes has been an endless fucking topic where every snide little fuck gets to wiggle out of their crack in the floor and voice their senseless thoughts on the matter.
It's a novel idea to keep everyone informed and get new input, but ultimately pointless. Just get it over with and let us know where to sign our names.
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Just get it over with and let us know where to sign our names.
I don't think anyone can put it better than this.
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wow sorry bled. I'm thankful for the effort you put into the site and all and I don't hold anything meaningful against you, but you've got a really bad attitude which is why that thread turned out so poorly and why drule used it as an example. and although I'm sorry I provoked this sort of response from you, everything you said in the second paragraph on is still really stupid and wrong.
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*stuff*
I'm not sure what your point is, but we're not trying to steal, destroy or ignore anything. GW has been dead for a few years, so we're just trying to find a way to carry on the GW spirit and preserve some content.
if any of you haven't noticed already one of the trademarks of failure thus far as far as updating the mainsite goes has been an endless fucking topic where every snide little fuck gets to wiggle out of their crack in the floor and voice their senseless thoughts on the matter.
Well, there's nothing wrong with having an idea topic alongside the development. We're working on it as we speak and hope to have a very basic version done this weekend.
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we are just bunch of people who to talk about life and arts in general. isn't this how our most serious game makers are anyways? like hundley and chef. that's why i talk about games even though i have played exactly one indie game in the past 6 months.
I can't say I agree with everything you said but I can certainly agree with that.
It seems like Drule ands ase (who sounds like the better PR dude of the two) cleared a few questions, but the one thing I was afraid was that whoever the "new guys" were, they would have been the one running the whole show and risk ignoring the old GW gang and their history. Thankfully, doesn't seem like it's going to be the case.
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Hello everyone.
My laptop broke a few weeks ago so I have mostly been browsing GW from my phone here and there. I also just graduated from college a week ago and have been in SAYING BYE TO FRIENDS / PARTYING mode.
Congratulations ase!
I'm not sure what your point is, but we're not trying to steal, destroy or ignore anything. GW has been dead for a few years, so we're just trying to find a way to carry on the GW spirit and preserve some content.
Bullshit, GW hasn't been dead. If that would be true it would've been dead all the time I've been here, and I've gotten a surprisingly lot of things from a dead site. Actually, now that I've gotten over everybody claiming that GW is dying and seen how things are paced here, I have come to the startling realization that there's nothing wrong with GW. It could be better, it could be more active, it could have a mainsite, but really we're doing fine.
I couldn't care less for your completely uninteresting rpgmaker-style game making or your stubborn attempts to get a community around it. I don't know who the hell is interested in that, but it doesn't hurt me either, so go ahead. What makes me angry is that in the making of this new community you are ripping GW apart, just because you still think GW is what it apparently was years ago. You're ripping GW apart, while claiming that you're saving it, even though in it's present state GW is producing topics, projects and discussion that are both fun and interesting at a better rate than any other internet community I know.
So go ahead and build your new Astrojone, I'm not interested but I wish you well. Just accept the fact that this community is past that and leave GW out of your plans. You're trying to stuff it to a hole that it doesn't fit and I'm afraid that while doing that you might break it. You are, after all, the admin here.
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its not dead its just not as productive as it used to be because no one gives a shit because no one new is viewing/coming to the site so its pretty much the same bullshit all the time
I want a new site but not exclusively about fucking game making that shit is so limited
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I think we should hire some 14 year olds with nothing better to do to create content for GW
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Bullshit, GW hasn't been dead. If that would be true it would've been dead all the time I've been here, and I've gotten a surprisingly lot of things from a dead site. Actually, now that I've gotten over everybody claiming that GW is dying and seen how things are paced here, I have come to the startling realization that there's nothing wrong with GW. It could be better, it could be more active, it could have a mainsite, but really we're doing fine.
I couldn't care less for your completely uninteresting rpgmaker-style game making or your stubborn attempts to get a community around it. I don't know who the hell is interested in that, but it doesn't hurt me either, so go ahead. What makes me angry is that in the making of this new community you are ripping GW apart, just because you still think GW is what it apparently was years ago. You're ripping GW apart, while claiming that you're saving it, even though in it's present state GW is producing topics, projects and discussion that are both fun and interesting at a better rate than any other internet community I know.
So go ahead and build your new Astrojone, I'm not interested but I wish you well. Just accept the fact that this community is past that and leave GW out of your plans. You're trying to stuff it to a hole that it doesn't fit and I'm afraid that while doing that you might break it. You are, after all, the admin here.
Well, GW is dead in the sense that it barely has any activities and that there is not much interest in the members to discuss or create content aside from the few topics that show up in G&D and the occasional Troubadours album. If you don't think this is a bad thing then that is fine. I know a lot of "dead" website that are still active in the same sense (Home of the Underdogs is a good example) but I don't think most people would consider this a good thing. Every community site I know of that has eventually died out has been in a similar lingering oldbie state before everybody stops caring and the site is shut down due to inactivity.
This new website is probably not going to affect your browsing of GW more than in that you'll be able to use your GW account on the new website, and that when GW is put down you'll have somewhere else to go that is at least somewhat similar. :-)
I don't know what's ticking you off about this idea but I hope this post clears things up.
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Well, GW is dead in the sense that it barely has any activities and that there is not much interest in the members to discuss or create content aside from the few topics that show up in G&D and the occasional Troubadours album. If you don't think this is a bad thing then that is fine. I know a lot of "dead" website that are still active in the same sense (Home of the Underdogs is a good example) but I don't think most people would consider this a good thing. Every community site I know of that has eventually died out has been in a similar lingering oldbie state before everybody stops caring and the site is shut down due to inactivity.
This new website is probably not going to affect your browsing of GW more than in that you'll be able to use your GW account on the new website, and that when GW is put down you'll have somewhere else to go that is at least somewhat similar. :-)
I don't know what's ticking you off about this idea.
Gazzwa telling about his trip to South America is content. Mark making joke posts is content. Taft Talk is content. Reading about Velfarre's new dog is content. Ragnar talking about why old games are better is content. Chef & Co's minecraft adventures are a hell of a lot content. And Troubs is content too.
Of course everybody would like to see more of all that, and more of G&D projects too. However, if this site really would be dying like you say, then the only sensible thing to do would be to get all these people that make up this community to get posting and get more active in whatever way fits them. As you can see from my list there, those ways are pretty diverse. If that can't be made to happen then so be it, GW is dead. It's dead because the people how made it are not interested in it anymore, a natural death. Forcing it on some specific path that isn't natural for the people here anymore (rpgmaker stuff) to keep it alive by any means necessary is not going to help. Instead it will alienate people, possibly divide the community and so make sure GW really dies.
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I pretty much agree with marge but I'm not sure anything like this can actually kill gw/newsite even if it fails, as long as we've got a place like these forums. on the other hand if the forums are transformed into this (http://gmc.yoyogames.com/) we're dead meat
also I think we can have lots of game engine stuff as long as it doesn't overshadow the actual creation/final product side of things, and all that stuff Marge mentioned is still an important part of this new community. and by important, I mean not buried under all that game engine stuff. I don't see why we can't have both, and I don't see why we need to identify as singularly an indie game engine game making indie site for that to be a successful part of the future community and a successful tool for creating a new use for the site and providing new content to keep us in the game and on the radar, if that's what you wanna do
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also I think we can have lots of game engine stuff as long as it doesn't overshadow the actual creation/final product side of things, and all that stuff Marge mentioned is still an important part of this new community. and by important, I mean not buried under all that game engine stuff. I don't see why we can't have both, and I don't see why we need to identify as singularly an indie game engine game making indie site for that to be a successful part of the future community and a successful tool for creating a new use for the site and providing new content to keep us in the game and on the radar, if that's what you wanna do
yeah, i agree with this
In response to Marge:
- No one said anything about GW going toward an RPG Maker path... at least, I don't think any of us did
- Probably the biggest reason we are doing this is because Bart is not interested in paying for/hosting the server much longer so, as much as you might like to keep GW the way it is, it is going to DIE in the most literal sense of the word (as applicable to websites) quite soon.
- I can speak for myself, at least, in saying that all of those people and stories you mentioned are awesome and I don't want to lose any of that creativity. I don't really understand what is prompting you to think that by moving GW to another server and trying to get a few more members to join by emphasizing game design/creation is going to make all of that go away.
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It might just be how Drule has been saying things, but to clarify what I meant in that part of my post you quoted, it DOES sound like we're going to be losing that stuff, placing it in the back seat to concentrate on our new primary focus (indie game dev stuff). if we do that, I do think we're going to slowly lose the best thing gw ever had
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This is in no way an attempt to revive GW.
Which is what's wrong with this picture.
If you want to retain the existing structure and items while adding additional content, or even moved it to a new server and add additional people to run the site, do so, but don;t alter the core or throw away the existing stuff just because you think the old makers aren't popular any more. To use an odd metaphor- keep the same skeleton, but add new flesh and a few more limbs. Move it to a new house if you want to , but it should still be the same animal underneath.
Earlchjip, yes,. We can expand our focus to include these other things without losing what's already there.
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sorry this skeleton has rickets
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Then a new body, but with the old mind, and some upgrades. Ase, we're a little afraid that a shift in emphasis is going to change the makeup of things, thereby precipitating a sea change into something unrecognizable. Move things if you must, add more people and topics, but keep the primary focus the same- merely WIDEN it.
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you are making this unnecessarily dramatic with your cunning metaphors
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He is writing in movie trailers.
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THIS YEAR
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I once dreamt that my children and my children's children would have a gaming world where they could post their crappy RPG Maker games! This dream has come to pass.
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you are making this unnecessarily dramatic with your cunning metaphors
You may be right. All I ask is that you try to keep what's good about this site when you move to the next one so the legacy will continue. Please merge the current GW into the new site in a sense.
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I still don't really see what the problem is here. If you could maybe be more specific about what is wrong with creating this new website.
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Creating a new website is inherently wrong!!!
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Then a new body, but with the old mind, and some upgrades. Ase, we're a little afraid that a shift in emphasis is going to change the makeup of things, thereby precipitating a sea change into something unrecognizable. Move things if you must, add more people and topics, but keep the primary focus the same- merely WIDEN it.
We can rebuild him! we have the technology but don't want to waste much money!
Anyway, what kinda frustrates me is people who say GW isnt dead, when they have only been around since 2008 onward.
Yes theres still life breathing in the forum, any forum with such a close community such as ours will keep beating somewhat, But its absolutly nothing compared to what GW was back when it was booming.. We are basically a forum on life support for the last few years, with a few failed surgeries, think of the new site as a restructure of the GW body n mind and help get it off life support! :fogetbackflip:
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GRR NOT LETTING YOU FUCKERS RUIN MY GW!
BRING BACK CRAP SHACK
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wow please don't smoke crack kaworu.
Anyway, what kinda frustrates me is people who say GW isnt dead, when they have only been around since 2008 onward.
Yes theres still life breathing in the forum, any forum with such a close community such as ours will keep beating somewhat, But its absolutly nothing compared to what GW was back when it was booming.. We are basically a forum on life support for the last few years, with a few failed surgeries, think of the new site as a restructure of the GW body n mind and help get it off life support! :fogetbackflip:
besides the absence of some important members and the loss of some activity gw might be the best it's ever been. the good ol days were just hyper garbage. long live cheezepantz
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gw is far from the best it's ever been, don't fool yourself
fact: gw has been dying for years now and even though the community will stay around, one by one all the members will leave and the community will be completely dead in a few years. gw as it is is practically beyond saving.
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thanks for the facts but we've always had way more stupid stuff in the past and I did mention besides losing people as a clause. no roleplay, no comics and anime? where has all this valuable content gone????
Creating a new website is inherently wrong!!!
don't insult marge, what marge said is mostly right.
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remember VB Corel WIP Steel(rip) Jester Waluigi_Soap fuck, i can just keep riddling them off..
Active and known mamebers back in the day, Fuck you n your cheezepants earl, I love thid community as much as the next oldbie, but man gimme a break, activity, interest, and member base have been peeling like onion skin from this place for about a year or so before gw6 we attmpted and failed..
Anyways, Birthday today, peace.
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we gotta bring back the glory days of animes and games
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GW died a long time ago, it's a community for a bunch of friends now.
If you want to make something else, stop trying to piggyback it on the success of a site that was based on something 9/10 people haven't even done here in like half a decade (Trying to make amateur games).
'Cuz no matter WHAT you make, it aint GW, won't have the same spirit GW has or ever had, and won't mean anything to virtually anybody who still comes here.
I don't say no to making a new site, go nuts. If you REALLY insist on making a site as you guys seem to have forever, go for it. Just be honest about it and accept the fact it has nothing to do with this place other than being associated with a staff that came on board years after its relevant run.
Come back with as many "I guess we should just let this place die" comments as you want, but this place died as a content-producing site years ago. We're here now because we like each other or because we came here under the impression we could get help with our amateur games (Sure can't, that would take people actually giving half a shit about making games which I'd think is a fairly SMALL contingent of this place now).
Seriously, who are all you people who insist on "keeping the GW spirit alive" doing it for anymore? A love of amateur gamemaking (The thing that spun this giant wheel in the first place)? The spirit of a great community, or to have a big community of your own? Pretty much everybody here who wanted community found other ones a long time ago, so I really do ask who this is for? The internet is cluttered with communities VERY MUCH like this, they just aren't ours. And I think that's sorta what it comes down to, the fact it's ours. I'm sorry you guys sorta inherited this place in its fairly lifeless time, but you did.
All that said, I don't spend a ton of time here these days so maybe I'm off base on all this, maybe there in fact is strong community support. And if that really IS the case, well then I really am a relic of older ways of thinking at this place, and I apologize for being the type of guy who can't see the fact he's holding this place back. If that turns out to be the case, I'll respect it and back even further away. But I dunno...you watch this shit try to happen like 20 times over 3-4 years and you start losing faith in the idea it even SHOULD happen.
Maybe GW just ran its run? We had a lot of fun didn't we?
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remember VB Corel WIP Steel(rip) Jester Waluigi_Soap fuck, i can just keep riddling them off..
Active and known mamebers back in the day, Fuck you n your cheezepants earl, I love thid community as much as the next oldbie, but man gimme a break, activity, interest, and member base have been peeling like onion skin from this place for about a year or so before gw6 we attmpted and failed..
Anyways, Birthday today, peace.
hey watch your language, I don't appreciate being told F you for no reason. happy birthday.
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Well, at best you'll have a site to visit when GW is gone. At worst you won't like it and will go somewhere else. What is the actual problem? I keep seeing too many long-winded posts that really aren't pointing to a specific problem. This project probably isn't going to affect your day to day browsing of GW.
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If you want to make something else, stop trying to piggyback it on the success of a site that was based on something 9/10 people haven't even done here in like half a decade (Trying to make amateur games).
I completely agree with this.
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HEY Drule I've been on and off for years and you all hate me : ) But I totally get where you're comin' from with the whole "spiritual successor" thing. Don't let the few A-holes get you down, I'd be sad if this place died and there was nothing left of it. GW deserves a proper memorial.
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fuck this shit microsoft should team up with sony and nintendo because i can not keep bying all there differt shit man look make one good peace of shit and never make one agen
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this place needs some new systems. Somebody please program a CBS for us
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Creating a new website is inherently wrong!!!
Yeah, thanks for your input.
Anyway, what kinda frustrates me is people who say GW isnt dead, when they have only been around since 2008 onward.
I suppose this was mostly directed at me. I acknowledge I'm walking on thin ice here, making big bold statements, but I also have a perspective to this most here don't. I've only ever seen GW as it is now, and every time I hear about the old GW and what it was like, it becomes clearer how little it has to do with what GW is now and what I've found so great about this place. For some of you here GW is only the remains of what it used to be and you don't see what's good about it now.
I still don't really see what the problem is here. If you could maybe be more specific about what is wrong with creating this new website.
I thought I made it pretty clear there. To put it short, the problem is you're claiming it's a successor for GW, while it has very little to do with what GW has been for at least as long as I've been here. This means that you will not succeed in recreating what's great about this place today, but because of nostalgia and admin's authority and all that you may succeed in taking members from here and so weakening this place (this is what I referred to by saying you're ripping GW apart). To really compress it into one sentence, it's the fact that your new site will mean less people here, but it won't give me what I like about this place. In addition, it doesn't even make sense creating a gaming oriented site based on today's GW when all the gaming oriented people either have left or aren't gaming oriented any more.
As a side note it annoys me how you constantly belittle GW as it is now, basking in the glory of it's past and dismissing everything else. It's odd that the admins of the place are calling it dead and useless, while a lot of members disagree. I expect that what ever happens with your new site, now that you have that one you will be giving GW to somebody who cares about it and sees it as more than just potential member base for some other community. As this thread proves, those people exist.
Also, you keep repeating that Bart is going to shut GW down any minute now, creating a feeling that we're in a sinking ship and you are the lifeboat. Could Bart himself comment on this? The last I heard from him was in this February, here's the quote:
jesus christ people. I'm not going to shut the site down. It doesn't really kill my server to have it running so I don't mind it too much
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Yeah, thanks for your input.
This wasn't even directed at you, or anyone, in particular.
I suppose this was mostly directed at me. I acknowledge I'm walking on thin ice here, making big bold statements, but I also have a perspective to this most here don't. I've only ever seen GW as it is now, and every time I hear about the old GW and what it was like, it becomes clearer how little it has to do with what GW is now and what I've found so great about this place. For some of you here GW is only the remains of what it used to be and you don't see what's good about it now.
I'm not sure that seeing what's good about it now and clinging with your last bit of strength to GW have in common. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. GW has been in a downward spiral for years. And we've tried to revive it. A lot of the passion in GW has died off. And I'm just not certain there's that much interest in trying to defibrillate something without a heart.
I thought I made it pretty clear there. To put it short, the problem is you're claiming it's a successor for GW, while it has very little to do with what GW has been for at least as long as I've been here. This means that you will not succeed in recreating what's great about this place today, but because of nostalgia and admin's authority and all that you may succeed in taking members from here and so weakening this place (this is what I referred to by saying you're ripping GW apart). To really compress it into one sentence, it's the fact that your new site will mean less people here, but it won't give me what I like about this place. In addition, it doesn't even make sense creating a gaming oriented site based on today's GW when all the gaming oriented people either have left or aren't gaming oriented any more.
My understanding is that it is a spiritual successor to GW (and I believe Drule used these exact words). I'm speaking on my own here, because I don't really have anything to do with the new site, but bear with me. They are interested in creating something akin to what GW used to be, albeit with some pretty significant changes. It's not about recreating this place today, and I don't think it ever has been. If they wanted to recreate the atmosphere of this place today... well they wouldn't... it would just be a matter of keeping GW exactly the same. So this is not the idea! I'm not sure the argument that a new site will mean less people here holds for two reasons:
1) People can visit more than one site.
2) But, more importantly, GW is already dying, and nobody is interested in paying for it. There will be no HERE.
As a side note it annoys me how you constantly belittle GW as it is now, basking in the glory of it's past and dismissing everything else. It's odd that the admins of the place are calling it dead and useless, while a lot of members disagree. I expect that what ever happens with your new site, now that you have that one you will be giving GW to somebody who cares about it and sees it as more than just potential member base for some other community. As this thread proves, those people exist.
This is basically just saying, "I am annoyed that you don't see things from my perspective and agree." While at the same time, you are unable to view things from some of our perspectives because you just weren't around.
Also, you keep repeating that Bart is going to shut GW down any minute now, creating a feeling that we're in a sinking ship and you are the lifeboat. Could Bart himself comment on this? The last I heard from him was in this February, here's the quote:
There are probably a hundred dozen other people closer to Bart than I am, but I highly doubt it is a conspiracy or anything. It is no secret that GW has been a sinking ship, though. That is apparent for most people who have been around. Although you won't hear from them... because they aren't around anymore... because it's a sinking ship. This isn't the whole story, because there are a lot of people who have developed friendships through GW and stuck around, and a bunch who aren't even interested in game making anymore. This is where I get confused. I'm not really sure what the argument is. Drule (and co.) are starting a new site that is based around concepts similar to what GW was. Anyone is welcome to come. It's not some exclusive club as far as I know. And then from that GW is left to its own evolution or demise.
In summary: I'm just not sure what the issue is. What would you have done? Are you trying to say that Drule shouldn't make a site, because you like GW the way it is? Or are you saying that they shouldn't claim it as a 'new GW' when that point has already been clarified?
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GW has been in a downward spiral for years. And we've tried to revive it. A lot of the passion in GW has died off.
Basically this REALLY sums it all up. It's not about reminiscing the GOOD OL' RPGMAKER DAYS and trying to bring that back! This community was so much more active, creative, cooler 3-5 years ago than it is now. You can exclude the whole game making aspect and that still holds true. There was something interesting going on somewhere all the time. There was a constant flow of really good topics and great posts by great posters. Compared to the community we had back then, GW is in such a bad shape right now that I just find it hard to imagine that anyone who was active and cared about GW back then can seriously think the current GW is in any way, form or shape better or nearly as good as it used to be a few years ago. Seriously, look at this community. It has deteriorated so much. So, so much. I don't personally care about indie games at all but whatever will bring new members and some creativity back to this site has got to be a good thing even if some of you see that as some kind of sacrifice. GW still has its moments and there are a lot of cool members here but most of the time both IRC and forums are actually pretty boring.
The way I see it is that Drule doing what he wants with this site and taking it to some direction which will possibly bring some new faces and creativity here is nothing but a positive thing. Listening to all the impossible requests of you people and trying to please everyone isn't going to accomplish anything. The important thing is that the site Drule and co. are working on can have this same community (IF YOU WANT TO) and in that way GW can live on. What you post on forums now, you can do the same exact thing on the new site. Why is that so hard to realize? This new site is not going to take anything away from you, it's just trying to save this slowly dying community. You guys can go on and talk about Drule shouldn't be doing this and how you want this and that but before you realize, half of the current active members will be gone and then it's even harder to do anything about this place. Moriason said that he thinks we should let GW die a natural death but I don't see anything wrong with what Drule is doing, I rather take that than have GW dead in two years. All this complaining you people are doing is just silly. But then again, I suppose that will never change about GW.
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also i am not trying to belittle gw or whatever marge thinks i might be doing, i just think the lot of you need a reality check. this place will be dead sooner, not later. i really honestly think gw is in a bad shape right now. of course i am going to compare it to how it was a few years ago, that's a natural thing to do. i'm behind drule on this because he's one of the few people who will actually get something done. he still has some passion left in him. the rest of you just talk or don't have the technical skills to actually do something for this place. i really don't think gw can afford to wait another year or two to get something done.
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the unidentified numbers are decreasing! surely SOMETHING must be going wrong!
but yeah idk, I think that what Drule is doing is positive but I guess I'm biased because I like making video games! i do not think that an influx of new members or a new front page will all of a sudden drastically transform the gamingworldsnet community into drule's vast corporate game empire for destruction of creativity and creative individual. if the idea to generate more traffic through the site succeeds then things are good. elsewise i do not see how it matters even remotely.
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ill do it ill fix the website
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how to save internet forum one step guide:
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i'm doing my part
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are you doing yours?
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I still don't see where you are coming from with your rants and I think they are very vague. What is the problem here, and what do you want us to do? NOT make a website?
Also, you keep repeating that Bart is going to shut GW down any minute now, creating a feeling that we're in a sinking ship and you are the lifeboat. Could Bart himself comment on this? The last I heard from him was in this February, here's the quote:
Well, what prompted us to start working on this was Bart sending me a message half a year ago asking if he could shut down GW now. I've said several times that I don't think he minds GW being up, but it probably will be shut down at some point along the line. Even if that's not the case, it's probably good to have an alternative that isn't hanging by a thread.
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If this were to happen would our bookmarks still work? or would we need to update them to some new address?
Will we still have a lot of the nifty tags and other features like the warning "that someone posted while you were typing" thing?
How do you plan on moving members? Will we have to re-register?
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haven't read anything besides this quote yet. I'll read marge's posts later and see if I can make a bullet point outline that clearly links cause and effect
Basically this REALLY sums it all up. It's not about reminiscing the GOOD OL' RPGMAKER DAYS and trying to bring that back! This community was so much more active, creative, cooler 3-5 years ago than it is now. You can exclude the whole game making aspect and that still holds true. There was something interesting going on somewhere all the time. There was a constant flow of really good topics and great posts by great posters.
the only thing true about any of this is that the site used to be more active. but cooler and more creative? that's garbage. I think we recently lost a lot of activity for numerous reasons. I don't think I should have to point out these reasons, because they are fairly obvious and have affected virtually everyone in the community. but if we back up like a year, we had loads of stuff going on and unlike 2001-2006 it wasn't all absolute garbage. we've come a long way, and those of us that are still posting and producing content are doing way better than we were in this GOLDEN AGE
that's what I'm talking about when I say gw has been improving over the years, and that our community is still far from dead. we've got loads of great guys making great stuff. I know we're losing members, and I agree that it would be nice to do something about it even though I doubt we'd ever actually lose the community. I don't think anyone's arguing against doing something about it, people are arguing about what we're choosing to do about it
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i'm behind drule on this because he's one of the few people who will actually get something done. he still has some passion left in him. the rest of you just talk or don't have the technical skills to actually do something for this place. i really don't think gw can afford to wait another year or two to get something done.
and there is nothing wrong with any of us making suggestions. drule has said numerous times that we're going to have to wait until several things happen anyway, so we're not wasting anyone's time. and drule did ask us for our input
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i feel this is p. accurate. the focus on amateur games brought in a lot of talent in very different fields. sprite artists, photoshop gurus, musicians, and programmers to name a few. i'm sure that without the thread of game making there would still be talented people coming in, but more than likely they'd stick to posting in a single board, and as a result it may not be as unified as the old GW seemed to be. idk
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Serious question: will all the Foget smilies be on the new forums? Because if not I am going to save all of them and upload them somewhere for my own use.
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I have to say, I was a little surprised upon one of my many returns to find Drule calling the shots here. However, as others have commented, he's actually DOING something rather than just letting the community die and sitting back as KING SHIT. I mean that's what I would have done, for sure. Or sent people threatening PMs if they commented about how they were going to leave the site.
I don't think my opinion carries a huge amount of weight around here nowadays (NOT LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYS EH BOYS?!?!) but I'd just like to state that I'm fully behind the changes that Drule is making. People fear change, but from what I've seen GW hasn't really progressed or advanced at all since I left. Don't get me wrong, I'm not creating a parallel by any means (in actual fact my contribution to the site was mostly threatening people into creating content and personally creating boring administrative features like STAFF HIERARCHIES and SENIOR POSITIONS - pointless busywork to make myself feel important!!!), but this is just how I see it. There has been a lot of great stuff created, but I haven't seen a huge improvement either way with whatever admin team has taken over. I think this is probably because people wanted to just RECREATE GW GOLDEN AGE rather than change and adapt things to suit the new times we live in. People who're commenting negatively about this without offering any advice or how they would do things differently are pretty much douchebags.
By the way - a comment on changing the name: Many years ago, Bart created GW after leaving RPGMaker.net. RPGMaker.net was a site with a huge name - many conflicts happened over rights to the name, such was its importance seen. GW eventually acquired the name and didn't do shit with it - neither did many others. It's now finally a functioning (and quite decent) site I believe. The rambling point I'm trying to get across is that a name is just a name. If Drule is actually creating something that improves the community, see it as just that - not "piggybacking", but improving and advancing. Don't call it astrojone though - that name confuses and excites me, in a fairly erotic way.
So yeah, like I say, I'm sure I don't have the huge weight of popular opinion or ancestral respect on my side any more, but I still thought I'd add my two cents. Keep going Drule - FEEL THE BURN!!!
PS: Build it and they will come. By "they" I mean "me", and by "come" ... I'll let you make up your own mind about any perverted euphemism that I could be implying there!!!
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Faust <3
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Its pretty Rad to know Faust is for the change! :)
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Faust seal of approval.
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I still don't see where you are coming from with your rants and I think they are very vague. What is the problem here, and what do you want us to do? NOT make a website?
Well, what prompted us to start working on this was Bart sending me a message half a year ago asking if he could shut down GW now. I've said several times that I don't think he minds GW being up, but it probably will be shut down at some point along the line. Even if that's not the case, it's probably good to have an alternative that isn't hanging by a thread.
*sigh* Drule, why not just ask Bart to give/sell you GW, take over the server costs yourself or raise them from members, and do the revamp here? It'd be simpler than getting a new web address, surely.
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Not when the name doesn't exactly suit needs anymore, and Because it's to be a Different forum from GW(w/ New staff and connections from other sources than GW, Along with some From here; Drule, Ase, Countless other Followers, and Troll-lings!) , with a lot of GW's Community and Characteristics and some new things to attract more modern day user interest. GW will live onwards until Bart pulls the plug (which is hopefully after the new site and not latter.) So if you don't like the new place, don't stick around and see how long the last thread holding GW up snaps and it plummets like many a (rpg)Gaming Site before.
A new site and name also leaves room for more freedom, less "this isnt like old GW" whine, more Life like it used to be, but a little different.
Also leads to more traffic as a new site with flowing content draws more traffic than a reworked a thousand times site, which is its own thing in itself. This can and will attract new users to boost the community.
DARE to be DIFFERENT!
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That's exactly what the GW Blog attempted to do, and it didn't really succeed. Take a look at the forum directory right now. The two forums that have the most people currently viewing them are Gaming and Game Design. Granted, the numbers are pretty low compared to when GW was in its prime, but the common interest that brought almost everyone here was gaming. You may have met some really great people and then started some sort of creative collaboration with them in the form of music/art/etc, but can that really draw new people to the site? I don't believe so, because while these creative outlets allow you to draw closer to some people in the community, to an outsider all they are is some inside-thing they don't don't really "get". (Personally, I don't get some of these things either, so if that was the sole draw to GW I probably wouldn't be here. I came for the games, stayed for the community, but I haven't forgotten about gaming completely. Now that I'm out of College I'm ready to delve back into game making. Maybe some other GWers are feeling the same?).
I've meant to reply to this for a while now but the laptop broke so it has been difficult. Yeah, sure, the GW Blog didn't succeed but I think that was more down to the way it came about rather than an example of that kind of set-up failing. With GW Blog you have to remember it was a temporary site to bridge the gap between the previous website and the newer version. The community took part (6-10 people?) and wrote little articles about what they wanted. It was less of an attempt to run a site and more to keep it interesting for the people involved? If we're talking about the idea I had suggested, it was more along the lines of 3-4 dedicated staff who would write articles about things related to the website, whether it be games, film, music etc etc in a a more, say, dare I say it, Destructoid way. Having an actual site over a temporary one, and writing articles in an almost professional website format. I don't know if I'm making sense or just waffling around the point. Just with less Jim Sterling's.
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Do it and I will be active. Dont do it and i will lurk
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I don't think anyone's arguing against doing something about it, people are arguing about what we're choosing to do about it
Yes, this.
Would I like to see 10 000 posts a month here? Yes I would. Am I worried about dwindling member numbers? Yes I am. Is a new Astrojone centered on some game engine an answer? No it isn't. I'm puzzled by some of you not getting this, I think it's pretty obvious that that isn't the direction for this community. Maybe you're just so desperate that anything goes. If that's so, I share your concern but not your desperation, and I would like to see the future built on what we are now, not what used to be five years ago.
But Drule obviously isn't willing to defend his view or reply to criticism and most of you seem set on following him, so I'll have to settle with leaving a differing opinion. Now let's see what Drule can deliver.
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Yes, this.
Would I like to see 10 000 posts a month here? Yes I would. Am I worried about dwindling member numbers? Yes I am. Is a new Astrojone centered on some game engine an answer? No it isn't. I'm puzzled by some of you not getting this, I think it's pretty obvious that that isn't the direction for this community. Maybe you're just so desperate that anything goes. If that's so, I share your concern but not your desperation, and I would like to see the future built on what we are now, not what used to be five years ago.
But Drule obviously isn't willing to defend his view or reply to criticism and most of you seem set on following him, so I'll have to settle with leaving a differing opinion. Now let's see what Drule can deliver.
And you're not getting the concept that what we are now and what we were can coalesce. That is the point. The new website is not just going to erase what we are now, it's not going to change all of our personalities or what we talk about. It's just going to add more to the community and attract new members.
The fact of the matter is Gaming World has been on a downward slide in the last few years. We hit our peak years ago. This is a way of bringing us back up to that peak.
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I still don't really see what the problem is here. If you could maybe be more specific about what is wrong with creating this new website.
That was a quote from Drule, responding to feedback. So I guess the idea that he isn't responding is false!!
There's a lot of emotive language being used on this thread. In my younger day, when (for example) Rowain took over the site, I was full of "OH NO IT WILL NOT BE THE SAME", and as far as I'm concerned GW post-2004 wasn't the same as the GW that I knew and loved. That's not blaming Rowain at all - don't misinterpret. It was simply a change, and the community changed also. Not BECAUSE of it, it just happened. Things changed and shit.
So yeah, a future built on what GW is now? Isn't that paradoxical, considering the current idea that the place is just a forum? How about a future built on the best of ideas from GW - which, as far as I can see, Drule is including.
Man, I know I'm rambling, but if I would have voiced this shit back in 2004 a lot of people would have called me a douchebag. How about just making suggestions or some shit. It makes more sense than harking back a few years to a time that not all of us think was HOT SHIT.
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So yeah, a future built on what GW is now? Isn't that paradoxical, considering the current idea that the place is just a forum? How about a future built on the best of ideas from GW - which, as far as I can see, Drule is including.
YES!
What the new site is going to be is a Melting pot consisting some of the great(est) things from all GW eras and put them together with some new ways of thinking and a new crew(alongside our own "current" crew) for a much more widened perspective, and other great ideas and angles to help attract more new people to our current community and family.
But alongside this discussion of What is and isn't GW, and what should and should happen to whichever site. Drule has voiced asking for our suggestions for ideas for the site/forum/community (apps, themes?, features, community events, miscellaneous ideas to attract members or make members stay longer, post more and be more involved in community). So what are your Ideas Guys? Lets get this Site fleshed up great from launch!
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aaaa why do you guys even feel like you have to DEFEND drule's proposal. he asked for our input! it's not like our suggestions will prevent anything from happening! he's not waiting for us to agree!
And you're not getting the concept that what we are now and what we were can coalesce. That is the point. The new website is not just going to erase what we are now, it's not going to change all of our personalities or what we talk about. It's just going to add more to the community and attract new members.
well the point many people have been arguing over the past few pages is that it will change in the wrong ways, and this will lead to a continued decline in activity by old members and lead the website to fail. saying NO IT WON'T is just fine, but you have no way of knowing that. aaaaand the odds do indicate yes, making an entirely new website that is a spiritual successor to gw at best (Drule, "The Official New GW Topic", pages 1-4) will change what we're all about. that's not really a question, and it's not something we've got a problem with either as long as we make sure to keep what matters. our ideas aren't huge, unrealistic goals that could never be realized--they are small, easily-implemented plans that certainly pose no THREAT to the new website
The fact of the matter is Gaming World has been on a downward slide in the last few years. We hit our peak years ago. This is a way of bringing us back up to that peak.
not the right way. the rest of my posts
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these posts are pretty bad. why are you using fallacies and rhetoric to defend drule's proposal? what is to be gained???
People who're commenting negatively about this without offering any advice or how they would do things differently are pretty much douchebags.
please point out these evildoers, I will make an example out of them
That was a quote from Drule, responding to feedback. So I guess the idea that he isn't responding is false!!
it should be pretty clear what marge and ramci suspect drule is doing by constantly making that response. everyone's posts have been entirely clear to me, but of course I agree with them so they might be a little easier for me to understand
There's a lot of emotive language being used on this thread. In my younger day, when (for example) Rowain took over the site, I was full of "OH NO IT WILL NOT BE THE SAME", and as far as I'm concerned GW post-2004 wasn't the same as the GW that I knew and loved. That's not blaming Rowain at all - don't misinterpret. It was simply a change, and the community changed also. Not BECAUSE of it, it just happened. Things changed and shit.
that was an entirely different situation. something you don't realize is that we've all seen administration changes. we've seen tons of changes made to the site and forums, way more than what Rowain et al ever did! headphonics (panda) and crew made a lot of changes. DRULE took over after them, made lots of changes, and replaced the mainsite with an indie games blog that lasted a few months. none of these changes met much serious resistance, besides possibly the last one, but that's partially because drule and the rest of the staff refused to talk to anyone about it or acknowledge any suggestions or criticisms until the transition was already mostly complete. and, of course, that incarnation of a GW mainsite failed too. so you see why people are so keen on providing input now
So yeah, a future built on what GW is now? Isn't that paradoxical, considering the current idea that the place is just a forum? How about a future built on the best of ideas from GW - which, as far as I can see, Drule is including.
this has been addressed pretty thoroughly in various posts throughout the thread. what exactly to you think drule is including out of these "best ideas" you seem to understand even though you haven't been part of the community for a long time? which of these valuable things need to be preserved? if you're stumped, you can look at some of my previous posts throughout the thread.
Man, I know I'm rambling, but if I would have voiced this shit back in 2004 a lot of people would have called me a douchebag. How about just making suggestions or some shit. It makes more sense than harking back a few years to a time that not all of us think was HOT SHIT.
here's the best part: what you're saying we COMPLANERS shouldn't be doing here is exactly what proponents of drule's plan HAVE been doing! we don't want to return to this garbage GOLDEN AGE OF GW, because that's not what we're about anymore. but the people here DO like drule's idea because--and you can read this in numerous posts throughout the thread--it sounds like it's bringing back the golden age of GW, when people came here for RM2K resources and tutorials. you know, drule actually said that's why he's doing this, designing the whole website around this concept. so again, what do you think is wrong with this? what do you think drule should do about it?
making suggestions is exactly what has been going on
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If we're talking about the idea I had suggested, it was more along the lines of 3-4 dedicated staff who would write articles about things related to the website, whether it be games, film, music etc etc in a a more, say, dare I say it, Destructoid way. Having an actual site over a temporary one, and writing articles in an almost professional website format. I don't know if I'm making sense or just waffling around the point. Just with less Jim Sterling's.
Yeah, less Sterling and higher standard. The last thing the internet needs right now is an other website that just reposts the same PR bullshit again and again. Something more along the lines of personal pieces and articles that create intelligent discussions on a subject. Sure, we have to keep the same "GW humour" and have funny articles, but with some moderation I think.
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That was a quote from Drule, responding to feedback. So I guess the idea that he isn't responding is false!!
Like earl said, I have explained it to him three times, each time trying to be more specific than the last, and he has given me that exact same reply three times.
So yeah, a future built on what GW is now? Isn't that paradoxical, considering the current idea that the place is just a forum?
Not at all.
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these posts are pretty bad. why are you using fallacies and rhetoric to defend drule's proposal? what is to be gained???
Nothing. I'm defending his intentions from people who seem to want to complain just for the sake of it. Where are the fallacies? And I think you'll find that, being the internet, rhetoric is used by the vast amount of people. It's a comprehensive art, and a respected one in the field of debate - or maybe you've misunderstood the definition of it?
I've NEVER backed any change to this site since I left, considering that it was just more of the same old bullshit. This is something new and something I genuinely believe will "save" what this boing shit-hole has become, hence my support. There's nothing for me to gain, except for the continuation of the community. As one of the considered founders of this site and community, and currently the ONLY one of us three who even gives a shit about the future of the place, I think that your questioning of my motives is extremely disrespectful.
I mean where is DarkPriest now? Not that I'm blaming him at all. Where is Bart? Is it Bart himself that is causing this site to eventually shut down due to having better things to do with his life nowadays? He still loves the site too , but he doesn't mind it actually shutting down. To see what the community has become also, I totally don't blame him either. So yeah, as the ONLY founder who gives a shit any more, maybe just listen to what I have to say rather than seeing my attacking of the bullshit complaining as something that needs to be dissected to find motive, yeah?
The rest of earlchip's nonsensical "rhetoric" (HO HO HO)
So a hypocritical post countering my own, wherein you break down a lot of what I say without providing answers to anything? If you actually KNOW what Drule is doing, there's not a A DESTRUCTIVE amount being changed except for NEW FEATURES AND A NAME CHANGE.
none of these changes met much serious resistance, besides possibly the last one, but that's partially because drule and the rest of the staff refused to talk to anyone about it or acknowledge any suggestions or criticisms until the transition was already mostly complete. and, of course, that incarnation of a GW mainsite failed too. so you see why people are so keen on providing input now
LOL! Resistance? Dude, this isn't a democracy, and it never has been. Like EVER. You don't get to resist change - you just get to make suggestions and, if they're good enough or not just based on sentimentalism the best you can hope for is that someone who actually DOES have a say will adapt them for their own purposes.
On the blog front, I'm not the only person who was aware that that was a placeholder right? Because I was always told that this was the case, from the get go. And the reason that failed? Drule wanted support and input from the community. DID IT COME? NO! So all these people desperate for a say now - why the hell didn't you write shit for the blogsite? Or is it easier to criticise than actually help out?
this has been addressed pretty thoroughly in various posts throughout the thread. what exactly to you think drule is including out of these "best ideas" you seem to understand even though you haven't been part of the community for a long time? which of these valuable things need to be preserved? if you're stumped, you can look at some of my previous posts throughout the thread.
I haven't "been a part of the community", but I've checked the site at least once a month. Don't assume that because I haven't posted that I have no idea what's been going on. These "best ideas" are detailed by Drule elsewhere here, and yes they ARE the best ideas. Everything else is just chaff.
Not at all.
Well that seems to be the entirety of what you're implying. You're worried about the site changing from what it is now? What the community is now? All I see is a (small) bunch of people clinging to a pile of shit. And, as you say, if you disagree and feel that Drule is resurrecting the "golden age" then ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU CONSTANT COMPLAINERS WANT HIM TO DO? FUCK! Is there any way for him to win here?
Oh yeah, BACK TO EARL: Before you accuse me of shoddy debate tactics (when in fact they are primo examples), let me point out your use of:
Anecdote
Hyperbole
Directed(rhetorical) Questions
Opinions
Emotive Language (BY THE BUCKETLOAD!!)
Rhetoric
You even finish with a question! Way to go! Add a few facts and some statistics and you have a grade A piece of persuasive writing. GOOD JOB COUNTERING MY OWN POST WITH EMPTY RHETORIC BUDDY :D​! I GUESS WE EACH HAVE OUR FLAWS EH!??!
Anyway, so what's the point of this topic? Well, I'd like to hear your questions and ideas so far. If you want to rant and rave then go ahead I guess, but I don't want to turn this into another WHAT GW NEEDS topic. Do feel free to say whatever the heck you want though, because in the end it's only going to help us develop the best possible site we can!
Note Drule's intentions here. Why complain about shit? Why not OFFER SOME SUGGESTIONS? I re-read through your posts as you suggested earlier - I can't find anything of worth or value other than scaremongering and complaining. Where are your actual suggestions for improvement? Or do you just want the place to stagnate as it has now? The idea that it isn't dead at the moment is a total joke - just because the domain name leads here does NOT mean that it's alive and kicking.
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Considering we've got drule's second hand bart's word vs. bart's stated word on the forums whether or not he's going to shut down the website, drule's setting up a 2010 version of the invisionfree gw, only he wants to take a copy of the member database with him. I won't worry unless bart publicly says he's going to shut it down. I'm sure he would pop in and be like hey I need the server space or whatever.
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http://gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=11309.msg1587020
This topic was only a month ago guys.
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Oh yeah, and wonder why Drule isn't responding to certain posts here? Why he's saying the same thing to some of the complaints? Hmm...It should be pretty self evident.
Alec: Drule has Bart's full backing, whatever he decides. That's a lot different than he's given to previous admin teams.
earlchip: As far as I'm concerned, you're lucky that you're being allowed to rant. Why do people constantly seek to see this thing as a democracy? Be thankful that someone even cares about your opinions.
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Wow, I'm just impressed you guys have managed to have a hissy fit about this and managed to turn this into an arguement. Drule asked for input, people are sharing input. It shouldn't be much of a surprise that people around the forum would actually care about the outcome or output of the site. Arguing over all of this isn't really going to get anywhere and just kill off the topic.
Oh and Faust is a dirty miner.
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Fuck you Esh(Gay).
Ok, I have a question concerning the idea of merging communities:
When this was proposed back in the day, first with seriff.net and then with videogamemuseum, why were there no complaints then? Why was it not a case of "TACKING US ON AND RIDING ANOTHER SITE" back then? Was it because they were Bart's suggestions or...?
What about the acquisition of rpgmaker.net? People seemed to support those things previously, but now it's hinted at concerning a new game creation device community, certain individuals are UP IN ARMS!
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The initial proposition was a total merging with serif.net, not just it being a sister community. Anomy was made an executive director (such were the titles of administration here at the time) here and the site was going to be firmly a part of GW's network.
rpgmaker.net was never out to be a sister community either. In fact, the end result was forcing many people to join the community here by causing the domain name to direct to gamingw.net's forums.
EDIT: Erm...this post was directed at Alec's response concerning the concept of "sister communities". It's been deleted, so I guess this won't make much sense now.
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I am even more confused now about some people vehemently opposing the creation of this website than I was before, so I don't really know what to respond to. I guess the only thing I can say is that this new site still probably isn't going to affect GW, and those of you who don't like what the new site is going to bring to the table are welcome to visit tomatoland or some other GW-related community, or stick around until GW eventually disappears.
Considering we've got drule's second hand bart's word vs. bart's stated word on the forums whether or not he's going to shut down the website, drule's setting up a 2010 version of the invisionfree gw, only he wants to take a copy of the member database with him. I won't worry unless bart publicly says he's going to shut it down. I'm sure he would pop in and be like hey I need the server space or whatever.
Well like I said before, what prompted the creation of this site was Bart asking me over IM if he could shut down the server now. I don't think he intends to pull the plug on GW as soon as this new site is up, but I do think he has other priorities in life and will probably archive and close GW at one point or another, in which case it would be neat to have a website that is somewhat similar to GW, which is what we are working on right now.
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Also I think it is kind of ridiculous how worked up some of you are getting about this. When I read some of your posts I sort of think:
(http://junk.drule.net/angry.png)
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Hey, if that latter was addressed at me, I was more worked up about my own motives being questioned rather than the new site creation. Before being confronted directly, I was pretty laid back on the issue.
I AM PASSIONATE WHEN ATTACKED WITH KNIVES AND GUNS.
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Nah I am referring to earlchip, Alec or Marge or whoever it is that is getting mad about this. I mean we are all 20-something year old oldbies on a pretty much dead Rm2k site. I have a hard time seeing how anyone could get mad about a new website that is being created under completely benign intentions. I am not saying DON'T CARE but jesus, if you have any objections, keep them short and concise for the sake of discussion so we can at least understand your arguments. A bunch of inane walls of text aren't going to do anyone any good.
I don't want this topic to sidetrack more than it already has, so what is the problem exactly? Do you want us to develop a new version of GW instead of a separate entity? Do you want us to completely scrap the idea and let GW be the way it is because it is "perfect"? Or do you WANT a new site but you want someone else to make it? Are we lying because we are claiming Bart is going to shut the site down? Or is it that you want us to shut down GW because it is lost anyway? You are throwing so many vague opinions at us that there's no real chance for us to give you a good answer. Plus, chances are that the answers we have given will still apply:
1. It's a completely separate site. It's not going to be a new version of GW in more than that it is a successor in spirit and run by GWers, so it's obviously going to be different in a lot of ways, but probably not different enough to stop GWers from enjoying their stay there.
2. GW is probably still going to be here for some time after the site has been created.
3. If you don't want the site to be focused on game development, you're free to make a site of your own that isn't. Nobody is stopping you. You could also visit Tomatoland and whatever other sites there are that originally spawned from GW. Nobody is stopping you.
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My apologies. THE FIERCE BLOOD OF YOUTH IS BUBBLING BACK!!!
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I honestly don't care. That's why I deleted the last post I made.
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I'm with Marge on this in theory but not practice. I don't think that Drule's plan is the best for GW. However, I think going along with it is our only real option. I'd hate to be flooded with kiddos wanting to make games, but I think we're in danger of losing GW otherwise. So basically I don't think that GW should go in this direction, but it's going to so if we all want to stick together and chat we've either gotta go with it or go somewhere else--and I don't see that second option happening right now.
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earlchip: As far as I'm concerned, you're lucky that you're being allowed to rant. Why do people constantly seek to see this thing as a democracy? Be thankful that someone even cares about your opinions.
Wasn't it Rowain that said at some point that GW was not a democracy but a dictatorship? I guess it still applies. Drule is free to do whatever he wants. At least he lets us know what's up and asks what we think.
I'd hate to be flooded with kiddos wanting to make games, but I think we're in danger of losing GW otherwise.
Well yeah, but it's up to people like us to make sure that the content on site is able both to keep old members there (community related stuff with a "GW flavor" if that means anything) and attract non-kiddos who wants to make games but people who are genuinely interested in game design and gaming in general. The old GW attracted those kiddos because that's what they were offering them with all the rm2k resources and tutorials. The "new GW" will attract whatever we want it to attract if we (oldbies) get involved, and I'm sure Drule isn't aiming at making a new RPGmaker centric website either.
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Wasn't it Rowain that said at some point that GW was not a democracy but a dictatorship? I guess it still applies. Drule is free to do whatever he wants. At least he lets us know what's up and asks what we think.
If he said that then he stole it from me, many moons before.
The "new GW" will attract whatever we want it to attract if we (oldbies) get involved, and I'm sure Drule isn't aiming at making a new RPGmaker centric website either.
Hehe see, this is the right attitude. You can influence shit by helping out, being positive influences, basically directing the community by actions.
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I will flamme every newbie
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jesus christ faust.
I am even more confused now about some people vehemently opposing the creation of this website than I was before, so I don't really know what to respond to.
sorry about this. you don't need to respond to anything written by me that wasn't specifically addressed to you. by the way, no one's vehemently opposed to the website, we just think there needs to be some changes. I think we allowed a lot of stupid people to get us off track, and that probably muddied our posts a lot. like I said earlier I'll ATTEMPT to slim everything down so it's as understandable as possible.
Nah I am referring to earlchip, Alec or Marge or whoever it is that is getting mad about this. I mean we are all 20-something year old oldbies on a pretty much dead Rm2k site. I have a hard time seeing how anyone could get mad about a new website that is being created under completely benign intentions. I am not saying DON'T CARE but jesus, if you have any objections, keep them short and concise for the sake of discussion so we can at least understand your arguments. A bunch of inane walls of text aren't going to do anyone any good.
I'm certainly not mad about the website, but I was getting annoyed by the way some people have been behaving. some people do question your intentions, but that's not something I think needs to be discussed. and it's difficult to reduce the size of our suggestion posts because they kind of require a lot of explanation, but I will try!!
I don't want this topic to sidetrack more than it already has, so what is the problem exactly? Do you want us to develop a new version of GW instead of a separate entity? Do you want us to completely scrap the idea and let GW be the way it is because it is "perfect"? Or do you WANT a new site but you want someone else to make it? Are we lying because we are claiming Bart is going to shut the site down? Or is it that you want us to shut down GW because it is lost anyway? You are throwing so many vague opinions at us that there's no real chance for us to give you a good answer. Plus, chances are that the answers we have given will still apply:
1. It's a completely separate site. It's not going to be a new version of GW in more than that it is a successor in spirit and run by GWers, so it's obviously going to be different in a lot of ways, but probably not different enough to stop GWers from enjoying their stay there.
2. GW is probably still going to be here for some time after the site has been created.
3. If you don't want the site to be focused on game development, you're free to make a site of your own that isn't. Nobody is stopping you. You could also visit Tomatoland and whatever other sites there are that originally spawned from GW. Nobody is stopping you.
this is a good post to see coming from you. I'll try to answer these questions in my next reply
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I'm not really opposed to the changes but I can tell you why I am a little frustrated that it's the direction you are going with it. I always thought the site was gearing itself more towards a general creativity platform. The mainsite would be a place for aspiring film makers, writers, musiscans, game makers, etc to show their shit while the staff's responsibility would be tracking down such content from nonmembers and show casing it (and maybe drawing in these nonmembers in the process). Or maybe they'd just submit tutorials, interviews and resources which can be used in projects, I dunno. But the point is it'd be like gaming world where it had both final products and the tools for making stuff. except it'd be beyond just games. The current direction though, maybe I've misunderstood, sounds like it's just games. I know the news section is supposed to reflect the community/forums but it's like it's a second thought to gaming. And if you're someone who's interest in game making has dwindled or never existed, and you've been sticking around, it really is kinda of a disappointment. Jamie's one of our consistently most creative members, a fucking reason to hang around, does he even do games anymore? The legion and faust types abandoned this place and Jamie types have stuck it out. Yet the site is being made for the former group, while it has always seemed to be the direction of this community to be more humor/creativity oriented rather than tied to some specific medium.
And I still have some interest in game making, I'm not dogging that at all. It just seems so limiting. And sorry if some of this has been addressed, I was keeping up but may have missed something.
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Maybe support some form of indie music Hosting to Prems and get a section on site for track dl's (or if some time into it, a donation per dl system; 1 track or album per 2hr periods unless a donation of $0.01< is given, in which case no album limit (but maybe a ammou8nt at a time limit of say 3 or 5 at a time?
A written agreement clause can write that because the site is hosting and promoting the files, any donations go towards site funding... just a little help out?
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I'm not really opposed to the changes but I can tell you why I am a little frustrated that it's the direction you are going with it. I always thought the site was gearing itself more towards a general creativity platform. The mainsite would be a place for aspiring film makers, writers, musiscans, game makers, etc to show their shit while the staff's responsibility would be tracking down such content from nonmembers and show casing it (and maybe drawing in these nonmembers in the process). Or maybe they'd just submit tutorials, interviews and resources which can be used in projects, I dunno. But the point is it'd be like gaming world where it had both final products and the tools for making stuff. except it'd be beyond just games. The current direction though, maybe I've misunderstood, sounds like it's just games. I know the news section is supposed to reflect the community/forums but it's like it's a second thought to gaming. And if you're someone who's interest in game making has dwindled or never existed, and you've been sticking around, it really is kinda of a disappointment. Jamie's one of our consistently most creative members, a fucking reason to hang around, does he even do games anymore? The legion and faust types abandoned this place and Jamie types have stuck it out. Yet the site is being made for the former group, while it has always seemed to be the direction of this community to be more humor/creativity oriented rather than tied to some specific medium.
And I still have some interest in game making, I'm not dogging that at all. It just seems so limiting. And sorry if some of this has been addressed, I was keeping up but may have missed something.
that's what a lot of us disagreers think would've been the best option for a new GW. it's interesting that numerous people came to this conclusion on their own. I did mention it early on, but I haven't been talking about it much because I feel like that's not gonna happen anymore. instead I'm trying to get drule to implement some of that stuff into his existing plan, because I see no reason why we can't have a little of both
still haven't gotten around to my concise response this has nothing to do with that
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Definitely a little of both. Are you listening, Drule? But I kinda really wish this was a direct revival of GW rather than a separate site. I want GW to be immortal. . .
I've been here for a comparatively short time and already the earth is shifting under my feet. Honestly, it makes me nervous and I suppose I'm trying to "stop time" while I get my bearings here.
And Faust, I for one hope that both GW and "Astrojones" will eventually evolve into democracies- I feel they're superior to dictatorships.
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And Faust, I for one hope that both GW and "Astrojones" will eventually evolve into democracies- I feel they're superior to dictatorships.
think again NEWB
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I feel they're superior to dictatorships.
Look at real politics. Shit hardly gets done in a democracy, it's the same here. Dictatorship is the way to go for websites.
Especially considering we all have very strong opinions.
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completely unrelated to this topic but
Look at real politics. Shit hardly gets done in a democracy, it's the same here. Dictatorship is the way to go for websites.
Especially considering we all have very strong opinions.
jesus christ the current demorcracy's problems lies within formal or false representationism and within corruption (also media partly to blame) rather than in democracy itself! and maybe you are talking about monarchy than...dictatorship.
and besides, everybody has strong opinions in real life!! and in real life it is also a necessity to understand each other's point and/or find a middle ground or a compromise. or make decicions that benefit all in the long run.
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And Faust, I for one hope that both GW and "Astrojones" will eventually evolve into democracies- I feel they're superior to dictatorships.
That is indeed quite the school of thought, even if I wholeheartedly disagree with it. Democracies are impractical and theoretically allow the unskilled (and ignorant) masses a say in issues they have no comprehension of. Plus, isn't the perfect form of democracy a tyranny by majority? I'd rather be ruled by the "elite" than my "fellow man", as I both fear and mistrust him, knowing him through knowing myself: a terrifying and irrational creature.
This is why I wish David Icke was right about THE LIZARDMEN!!!! I'd sleep a lot easier at night knowing decisions were being made by something superior, rather than some guy who the ill-informed public decided looked nice in a suit.
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if you don't trust people like you to act in their own best interests why on earth would you trust ~the elite~ to act in your best interest?
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And Faust, I for one hope that both GW and "Astrojones" will eventually evolve into democracies- I feel they're superior to dictatorships.
A country and a website are two different things. Let's not spend months preparing a poll or something stupid that 95% of the members won't take part in or even be aware of so your thirst for INTERNET DEMOCRACY can be quenched before we can actually, you know, get shit done.
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If GW was a country it would be the U-S-A because it fuckun rules!!!!
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drule's admin isn't like a dictatorship or a democracy. not that it government is an uninteresting subject but does this discussion really belong here
closer to a CEO of a company and shareholders or consumers, or some informal decision-making committee that has one guy primarily in charge whs decisons ffect evion in tgae gorup
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shut up and do this already is this topic going to get to double digits before you fuckin do this shit
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Okay, this thread has gone way off-topic. From now on we only want conrete suggestions of features and aspects that you'd like to see on the new site. We're not going to be able to implement these things afterwards, so if you really want to be able to affect the outcome of the community, post ideas instead of wasting the topic on vague discussions.
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GWiki, personal profiles for members who make music, paint competitions, and a section of the site dedicated to something like SA's Weekend Web (vital)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_It_Die
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still waiting for that constructive earl post. i mean it's only been 4 days. if drule has to wait 4 days for each constructive post to take the site into the direction which will satisfy you more, maybe the site will be done in 3 years with luck. this is what i meant that drule should just make the site and try to not even pay too much attention to everyone here because that gets us absolutely nowhere.
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I don't want this dumb discussion to go on any longer man. Like, I know people have something against this idea but we can't please everyone. This is how we want to do it, and if they want a shot at affecting the outcome they're going to have to do it through suggestions. We have a lot of neat ideas in the GW development forum, but I'd like to see some more user input before we start coding the features.
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yeah np
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I'm not really opposed to the changes but I can tell you why I am a little frustrated that it's the direction you are going with it. I always thought the site was gearing itself more towards a general creativity platform. The mainsite would be a place for aspiring film makers, writers, musiscans, game makers, etc to show their shit while the staff's responsibility would be tracking down such content from nonmembers and show casing it (and maybe drawing in these nonmembers in the process). Or maybe they'd just submit tutorials, interviews and resources which can be used in projects, I dunno. But the point is it'd be like gaming world where it had both final products and the tools for making stuff. except it'd be beyond just games. The current direction though, maybe I've misunderstood, sounds like it's just games. I know the news section is supposed to reflect the community/forums but it's like it's a second thought to gaming. And if you're someone who's interest in game making has dwindled or never existed, and you've been sticking around, it really is kinda of a disappointment. Jamie's one of our consistently most creative members, a fucking reason to hang around, does he even do games anymore? The legion and faust types abandoned this place and Jamie types have stuck it out. Yet the site is being made for the former group, while it has always seemed to be the direction of this community to be more humor/creativity oriented rather than tied to some specific medium.
And I still have some interest in game making, I'm not dogging that at all. It just seems so limiting. And sorry if some of this has been addressed, I was keeping up but may have missed something.
This is a good post and something I can mostly agree with. I could see GW going into a more general direction but I just don't see this happening right now. I don't think GW is able to succesfully make a site like that and attract new members right now. i don't see it putting us back on the map. i don't think we have enough people who can actually make it interesting enough and maybe even more importantly, know how to actually attract new members with that. they won't find this place by themselves at this point i'm afraid. I just can't imagine it being succesful right now, with what GW has to offer. And also, I definitely have lost most of my interest in game development but that doesn't mean new GW can't be interesting to me because i still like games. i still enjoy seeing, reading and playing new indie games. MOST OF US STILL LIKE GAMES HOLY SHIIIIIIIT. While new site can be a bit limiting to some people and you'd rather talk about your music or that stupid novel you read last week there's still gonna be that community side and you can do that!! it just won't be the main focus.
I just wanted to say that SRY DRULE i'll leave it at that and let people give their suggestions! you are right, you can't please everyone and it's just best to do it how you want to and if good suggestions come up then implement 'em!! i am sorry again i will stop now.
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still waiting for that constructive earl post. i mean it's only been 4 days. if drule has to wait 4 days for each constructive post to take the site into the direction which will satisfy you more, maybe the site will be done in 3 years with luck. this is what i meant that drule should just make the site and try to not even pay too much attention to everyone here because that gets us absolutely nowhere.
christ man. he is not waiting for me or marge or any of us. we are not the entire forum. he doesn't need our permission, and if we don't get our point across before they start coding then too bad. and yeah, it's tough getting motivated to go through the effort of making a concrete post out of some abstract ideas when I already know what the response is going to be.
I just wanted to say that SRY DRULE i'll leave it at that and let people give their suggestions! you are right, you can't please everyone and it's just best to do it how you want to and if good suggestions come up then implement 'em!! i am sorry again i will stop now.
please do. since you have no suggestions concerning the site, all you've been doing all thread is posting reactionary clutter.
This is a good post and something I can mostly agree with.
actually this is what we've been saying, just worded differently. how frustrating. if shakespook had only arrived earlier.... by the way, I haven't seen an admin response to Shakespook's post, and I'm wondering if he managed to get through or not
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Again, can we not do this. You've made your points already. If you want to affect the outcome of the site, tell us what features you'd like to see on it.
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REq: custpom rpg fight system
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I'm writing it now but first I will answer these questions to dispel any misconceptions you might have
I don't want this topic to sidetrack more than it already has, so what is the problem exactly? Do you want us to completely scrap the idea and let GW be the way it is because it is "perfect"?
no. no one thinks it's perfect as it is, and we all agree that it's good to see something being done. we disagree about what's being done, which I'll address in my next post shortly.
Or do you WANT a new site but you want someone else to make it?
only if it comes to that, but I think it would be better for all of us if it doesn't.
Or is it that you want us to shut down GW because it is lost anyway?
not me, not marge or ramci or any of us guys who have been trying to make suggestions instead of saying LET IT DIE
1. It's a completely separate site. It's not going to be a new version of GW in more than that it is a successor in spirit and run by GWers, so it's obviously going to be different in a lot of ways, but probably not different enough to stop GWers from enjoying their stay there.
this is exactly what we're trying to make sure this happens. we don't think you've paid enough attention to things like "probably not different enough" and we're trying to provide some insight into how you can get this transition to work out much more smoothly
3. If you don't want the site to be focused on game development, you're free to make a site of your own that isn't. Nobody is stopping you. You could also visit Tomatoland and whatever other sites there are that originally spawned from GW. Nobody is stopping you.
It can be about game development, since that's what you personally want to do with the site because that's what you personally are interested in. but I don't see why it can't be more than that, and I'll address this in my next post when I get back. also, tomatoland was never meant to be a replacement for GW and in its current state I doubt it could.
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It's amazing how much earlchip has thrown his feces all over this topic. I'm sure there were some interesting points at some point before you started arguing with absolutely everyone for little reason. Arguing with everyone on the forum isn't really helping anything bar kill off this topic.
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i got ya back earl. fuck the haters
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AHEM- Practical suggestions, people!.
MY suggestions are:
1. As per GW, have a section for game making, as well as one for music, art, and discussion.
2. Let's have a resource pack too.
3. I'd like to have at least one section of the board be for organizing/running other kinds of roleplay. This should include:
A) a section for players of MMORPGs/other multiplayer to interact-this might include discussion of strategies to kill "that Boss,"out-of-game recruiting, etc.
B) a section for board-based role play, with subsections for "light" (Freeform) and "Heavy" (GM, fixed rules) RPs, either held on there or elsewhere. Possibly also an adult rp section if applicable.
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B) a section for board-based role play, with subsections for "light" (Freeform) and "Heavy" (GM, fixed rules) RPs, either held on there or elsewhere. Possibly also an adult rp section if applicable.
Oh man, let's not revive that horrible rping sub-forums from back in the days. That shit was pretty fucking embarrassing when you look back on it.
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But I love that stuff! :sad:
of RP- Different strokes for different folks, I guess. And I feel it's a more active for m of RP, as opposed to console gaming- though it's stil not the same as face-to face. However, if others are indisposed to the idea, I have other places to do that.
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Woah woah WOAH.
I just woke up and thought I read "Diff'rent Strokes RP".
That's the forum I want. I get to be Dana Plato, I call dibs right now.
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What'choo talkin' 'bout, Vellfare?
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*canned laughter*
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no you're doing it wrong:
The sound of canned laughter echoed across the Diff'rent Strokes set as beautiful and magical actress Dana Plato walks into Mr. Drummond's room.
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Well, I guess I'll lock this before it becomes another circlejerk topic of horrible jokes. If anyone has any site suggestions feel free to PM me. Everything in the topic until this point has been noted.