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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: hobomasterxxx on June 12, 2010, 12:52:58 pm
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http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/e3_2010/
This is his latest teaser type thing. I am completely bewildered.
It seems for brief moments it flashes images in some of the frames or something-
(http://imagefrog.net/out.php/i92109_BOLTAN.jpg)
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http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/e3_2010/
This is his latest teaser type thing. I am completely bewildered.
It seems for brief moments it flashes images in some of the frames or something-
(http://imagefrog.net/show.php/92109_BOLTAN.jpg)
I see a lot of things being cut but sadly no cheese. :( I wanted to know who didn't cut the cheese! :<
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Yes i hear this is to promote the new konami branded knives they look pretty good.
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they can cut through a whole orange!
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this shit reminds me too much of those awful airplane parts in mgs4
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This reminds me of those things where there is so much going on in an image you don't realise how horrible some of the things are that are happening in it because it is all just so busy it just washes over you. This is just alot of food prep, though. I mean, I think. Maybe I missed something.
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well it looks like there is an animated cell and a cell of a boy getting his hair cut.
I like it. Good promo.
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MGS: Cooking Mama
or maybe they'll rename it Metal Solid Gear so it's MSG.
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I think this is just images from Kojima's twitter.
If you don't follow the English version of Kojima's twitter, you should. I have these tweets sent to my phone, and he's the only guy I do this for. There was one day where I was getting a text message every 10 minutes with some photo of some fancy food Kojima was eating and then he ended the whole mess with "TIME TO GO EAT DINNER". I have no clue how this man eats so much. His twitter is 90% food, 5% Metal Gear, and 5% "I am psychic and can tell when trains are going to come".
I don't think Kojima's crazy though, I think he pretends to be crazy but I think he's really just GOOFY.
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I initially hated it but I guess that's just within the context of this guy's insane I'm bewildered, how does he come up with this stuff?
I saw the flashes and they actually stay on screen for a pretty long time. the easiest way to record them all would be to take a video of the flash running and take screen captures of the flashers. looks like it's caligraphy.
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By the way guys is any of this stuff REALLY that hard to come up with? I mean how much effort does it really take to get a bunch of weird stock photos or footage and throw it up on a website with a countdown and say "this is from Kojima" and get tons of attention? It really COULD be just photos of food from his twitter and nobody would know and they'd think he was some sort of marketing madman. I could have done this exact same teaser, I'm not sure why people always act like these things are so brilliant or hard to come up with when it's basically just weird stock footage.
I'm not belittling the fact that it WORKS, but it doesn't take much effort to do. Most of the work is done by the fact that everyone loves Kojima countdowns.
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would be funny if he nonchalantly threw in an image of a dick being cut in half.
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By the way guys is any of this stuff REALLY that hard to come up with? I mean how much effort does it really take to get a bunch of weird stock photos or footage and throw it up on a website with a countdown and say "this is from Kojima" and get tons of attention? It really COULD be just photos of food from his twitter and nobody would know and they'd think he was some sort of marketing madman. I could have done this exact same teaser, I'm not sure why people always act like these things are so brilliant or hard to come up with when it's basically just weird stock footage.
I'm not belittling the fact that it WORKS, but it doesn't take much effort to do. Most of the work is done by the fact that everyone loves Kojima countdowns.
yeah there's nothing amazing about it at all unless your only source of creativity is videogame. but in the context of being an ad for a video game from a guy like Kojima I agree it does work and it doesn't need to be inventive. it's successful in that it clearly presents a MYSTERY to the viewer, and while that mystery doesn't seem like it'd be difficult to solve, it would take time and effort. it's like a shortened, less complex type of viral marketing that only targets existing customers and gets them talking about Kojima and MGS again
where the footage is from doesn't really matter. it seems to come from numerous different sources, like commercials and documentaries. obviously they're all about cutting. idk what the background image says yet
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yeah there's nothing amazing about it at all unless your only source of creativity is videogame. but in the context of being an ad for a video game from a guy like Kojima I agree it does work and it doesn't need to be inventive. it's successful in that it clearly presents a MYSTERY to the viewer, and while that mystery doesn't seem like it'd be difficult to solve, it would take time and effort. it's like a shortened, less complex type of viral marketing that only targets existing customers and gets them talking about Kojima and MGS again
Yeah this is true. I would never ever doubt that this is successful, and he does a REALLY good job at making things people pay attention to. I just never understood the whole "OMG HOW BIZARRE HE IS SOME SORT OF GENIUS AND/OR WHAT KIND OF DRUGS IS HE TAKING????? HEH." reaction to these things.
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plus he's like biggest GAMING guy doing stuff like this, so this is what j-gamesters see
here's a more complete image. sometimes when one of the mini videos changes it just shows interference snow instead of revealing another piece of the background, so this would take much longer than I thought!! some dingbat probably has it completed by now anyway
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3174/totalc.th.jpg) (http://img267.imageshack.us/i/totalc.jpg/)
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That and unless you know japanese it's not likely to do you any good.
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would be funny if he nonchalantly threw in an image of a dick being cut in half.
yes
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this is the kind of shit that's interesting if you still like Radiohead
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if you still find album covers compelling at all
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stuff like this makes me feel like kojima maybe could be in the same general ballpark as suda 51 if he wasn't going so far out of his way to be completely awful. it's kinda like he tries to be EVERYTHING but really succeeds in being NOTHING outside of a guy making awful western action film mosaics out of his games. he appears to be a reasonably creative and unique guy on some level i guess, at least as far as videogame creative people go, but everything he's made(that i'm aware of) is just horrifically derivative of something else that another guy(often himself) has beaten to death.
basically i don't like kojima because he is really one of the very few AUTEURS in the medium but invariably does nothing with it but churn out sequels and take pictures of himself trying to be cool. he's a pretty big waste of time as far as i'm concerned, which is unfortunate because it's not really because he's fundamentally bad at what he does. he just doesn't have any real interest in making anything creatively worthwhile(and has openly admitted as much in interviews at various points). just pumping the mainstream.
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Kojima is like the guy who puts a picture of a cauliflower as his avatar to be zany and innovative
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stuff like this makes me feel like kojima maybe could be in the same general ballpark as suda 51 if he wasn't going so far out of his way to be completely awful. it's kinda like he tries to be EVERYTHING but really succeeds in being NOTHING outside of a guy making awful western action film mosaics out of his games. he appears to be a reasonably creative and unique guy on some level i guess, at least as far as videogame creative people go, but everything he's made(that i'm aware of) is just horrifically derivative of something else that another guy(often himself) has beaten to death.
basically i don't like kojima because he is really one of the very few AUTEURS in the medium but invariably does nothing with it but churn out sequels and take pictures of himself trying to be cool. he's a pretty big waste of time as far as i'm concerned, which is unfortunate because it's not really because he's fundamentally bad at what he does. he just doesn't have any real interest in making anything creatively worthwhile(and has openly admitted as much in interviews at various points). just pumping the mainstream.
I agree with this on every point except that I DO like Kojima. But I do dislike what he does quite a bit. Like you said, he could be a suda 51 type dude, he just...WON'T. He has all sorts of ideas floating around in that head of his but instead he just makes the next typical metal gear game, interviews with him show that he blatantly has IDEAS and he has the actual potential to do way more but those games just are never made. It just sort of makes me siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh.
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I agree with this on every point except that I DO like Kojima. But I do dislike what he does quite a bit. Like you said, he could be a suda 51 type dude, he just...WON'T. He has all sorts of ideas floating around in that head of his but instead he just makes the next typical metal gear game, interviews with him show that he blatantly has IDEAS and he has the actual potential to do way more but those games just are never made. It just sort of makes me siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh.
then what is it you like about him??? i can understand liking someone who has this unrealized potential, but with kojima it's like he is aware of it and consciously avoids it, just trying to make as much money and create as cute a self-image as possible. i can almost forgive all the others in the industry because they just aren't creative people and are totally oblivious to how they could do more with the medium, but kojima isn't and his whole career is really just a byproduct of his adamant decision that video games is money. to me, that's so much worse. i'd honestly put more blame on his shoulders for videogames being complete and total shit than really anybody because he clearly has the faculties and the industry influence necessary to do something about it, but just doesn't.
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then what is it you like about him??? i can understand liking someone who has this unrealized potential, but with kojima it's like he is aware of it and consciously avoids it, just trying to make as much money and create as cute a self-image as possible. i can almost forgive all the others in the industry because they just aren't creative people and are totally oblivious to how they could do more with the medium, but kojima isn't and his whole career is really just a byproduct of his adamant decision that video games is money. to me, that's so much worse. i'd honestly put more blame on his shoulders for videogames being complete and total shit than really anybody because he clearly has the faculties and the industry influence necessary to do something about it, but just doesn't.
Well idk I guess I like HIM but not what he does??? It's hard to explain but I guess I just feel like he's a SHAME moreso than I dislike him. Sort of like Jackie Chan atm, I like what he used to do but like the shit he does now is kinda GROSS and I think it's a shame but I don't dislike him for it. I guess I really don't have a good reason!!!
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he seems sincere enough, but the man is working on projects that cost in the ballpark of 50-75 million dollars that need to appeal to 14 year old american boys(and those with similar mentalities) in order for his company to see a return on their investment. That has to seriously hamper the creative process.
I don't think he's crazy or even that talented/creative though, he's like a japanese tom clancy in an industry filled with R.L. Stines.
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http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3169166
this guy is like the only japanese game developer (person) I think is authentically cool
well I don't know anybody who worked for the company but I would also fund the reopening of Artdink if I had ridiculous amounts of money to waste
Edit: oh wait Artdink is still in business, but they seem to be mostly doing simulation games now and not fucking OUT THERE games that will sell maybe 97 copies worldwide. Only weird playstation 2 title I saw was some fighting game where you play as construction equipment
btw that's why games like Braid piss me off, if you don't really have profit in mind or just enough to maybe get some soda pop and dungarees you can literally distribute a game for nothing now, and tools that simplify the technical parts like coding, I want to see more simple ideas that people just do because you can do random shit if you want like you can just spend a weekend making some random game about being a guy who works at a dry cleaners. I don't know but somebody make more games like this instead of some pretentious shit that throws a bunch of arty ideas they don't understand and is obviously motivated by attention whoring. More games where you only motivation is laughing your ass off at the sheer absurdity of the concept
Edit: I think even RPG Maker games have this severe paranoia about being WELL-ROUNDED or having everything for everyone thrills spills chills I think that one game where you play as the RTP dog sprite is the most genuine honest rpg maker game. Or just the game that tries to piss everybody off (mr big t's) well I'm not saying go piss everybody off because one game did it but I don't think people even get in the mindset like I could just say fuck it at any time and piss everybody off if I wanted to it's my game it's not my livelihood at stake and it's not for THE COMMUNITY or whatever
Edit: Kenji Eno serious seems like the (I dunno name some actor or something that fits into this category) like consciously trying to cause chaos in the game industry from the inside and reveal how grotesque the industry really is. Well TRYING at least I don't know if he was really effective
Edit: Maybe the interview is a little rambling but he made a puzzle game that's like one of those pornographic games where a picture of a naked lady is revealed as you eliminate more tetris blocks or whatever but it's not porn instead by completing puzzles you save a bunch of girls from creepy perverted middle-aged dudes who play those sorts of games
Edit: I wonder if Kojima really has any gay/sexual issues going on or if he was just totally throwing random shit in there in brute force so at least some of the elements will create controversy/get attention (lady gagas) like he isn't a smart enough guy he wouldn't know that HURT ME MORE SOLID SNAKE wouldn't naturally lead to assumptions about the game designer what's going on in his head what floats his boat what cools his pie what feeds his cocker spaniel. Or even that it was just the first time somebody just had GAYNESS in a videogame not in a Cho Aniki cheap laugh sort of way just in there as a part of the game. or was it just to appeal to people who like fanfiction (hey guys remember treesock)
Edit: He's basically the lady gaga of video gaming sorry guys
Edit: it will turn out everybody from Japan ever was just pretending to be daft/borderline autistic just so they could do whatever the fuck they want and be like we do not get your western culture I named this Metal Gear character Rim Job after a dream I had about where I worked in a factory making rims (immediately posts it to kojima blog). RE5 team yeah we just didn't like black people
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ironically i've never played kenji eno's games but i really like his music. he posted his music on some site i frequent. he's really a very talented guy. i have been meaning to take a look at his work.
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Edit: He's basically the lady gaga of video gaming sorry guys
I've never played any of his games but I don't know if this is entirely fair to kojima. still a pretty good comparison, aside from the fact that video game designers rarely even seem to reach a lady gaga level of creativity
by the way every single person in my one design class loves lady gaga and thinks she is the most creative person ever :(
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i like kojima's games
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that kenji ono guy sounds like a pretty cool dude(i actually read that whole article)
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by the way every single person in my one design class loves lady gaga and thinks she is the most creative person ever :(
lady gaga is p. rad she just hides it
when it's just her playin' a piano and singing she's damn good but her songs as they get released.....idk what happens in the process, i guess GOTTA MAKE MONEY WITH THEM POP SONGS
like even fuckin poker face which is terrible came out as a really nice piano song, it's like it's not even the same song
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I bet he loves Twilight because of the Vamp character.
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lady gaga is p. rad she just hides it
when it's just her playin' a piano and singing she's damn good but her songs as they get released.....idk what happens in the process, i guess GOTTA MAKE MONEY WITH THEM POP SONGS
like even fuckin poker face which is terrible came out as a really nice piano song, it's like it's not even the same song
i couldn't agree more. She is like capable of being an actual musician on occasion, and its a shame that people aren't able to appreciate that and would rather give money to hear her dance in a bubble dress to a computer playing beats while she talks about not being able to answer a telephone call
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I think this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laIr_d0hFB8) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP8SrlbpJ5A) are what made me have a big change of heart about Lady Gaga.
edit: also this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIvhs1DLHEI) but just the beginning piano bit.
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so I guess this was for mgs: rising
or did we already know that
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Cooking, baking, yeast, rising. MGS: rising.
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http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-metal-gear/101272
this looks kinda cool i suppose
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There must be a lot of people born on January 1st
also not to be pessimistic or something but I mean the Lady Gaga thing was good but I think if her music was that way she probably wouldn't get noticed over other people who make that sort of music I mean it was nice but just realistically. Maybe Hideo Kojima is like fancies himself an ok director/game designer and just does weird avant-garde shit because he thinks you need a little 'more' to make it big in this day and age
I kind of like the more urban setting I guess
Edit: Probably the girl from The Knife could just SING NORMAL do traditional-sounding music but it's also a ploy to get noticed not that she doesn't think the music is good just making it stand out more. That "You Take My Breath Away" sounds like it would've been the most classic song ever in the 80's or something, if it sounded normal and not like public access television/eastern european borat commercial-fi
Edit: Now I want to hear it as like, an Ace of Base song
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i couldn't agree more. She is like capable of being an actual musician on occasion, and its a shame that people aren't able to appreciate that and would rather give money to hear her dance in a bubble dress to a computer playing beats while she talks about not being able to answer a telephone call
why do you people care? i mean she's a completely mediocre pianist playing showtune quality melodies that get arranged into pop songs(that have beats :fogetangry:) while she does some kind of extreme Madonna act to satisfy her obsession with pop culture spectacle and fashion.
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because it's on the internet right now
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because it's on the internet right now
yeah igues
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i mean how do you people not have enough things to check out on the internet that are more in your interests it really gets to the point where it's like 'eh bored nothing to do I think I'll watch every lady gaga video'
or was it just like morbid curiosity one day because you can't get away from it
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lady gaga is p. rad she just hides it
when it's just her playin' a piano and singing she's damn good but her songs as they get released.....idk what happens in the process, i guess GOTTA MAKE MONEY WITH THEM POP SONGS
like even fuckin poker face which is terrible came out as a really nice piano song, it's like it's not even the same song
that whole pop persona is what they love and think is so creative tho, when it's actually all just arbitrary or derivative and isn't even GOOD for being arbitrary and derivative. and this is a design class, they're supposed ot have this stuff figured out
but as far as super-popular female pop idols go she's probably the best one I know of in terms of attitude and even creativity
Edit: Probably the girl from The Knife could just SING NORMAL do traditional-sounding music but it's also a ploy to get noticed not that she doesn't think the music is good just making it stand out more. That "You Take My Breath Away" sounds like it would've been the most classic song ever in the 80's or something, if it sounded normal and not like public access television/eastern european borat commercial-fi
apparently lady gaga completely copied one of karin theknife's award ceremony things
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http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-metal-gear/101272
this looks kinda cool i suppose
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yeah some of that looks cool but in the context of being a game where you can cut up your enemies in any way you want while in bullet time is gross/dumb. I would play a game where all there was to do is explore an expansive, realistic city and cut up inanimate objects. and maybe cook and deliver food
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that whole pop persona is what they love and think is so creative tho, when it's actually all just arbitrary or derivative and isn't even GOOD for being arbitrary and derivative. and this is a design class, they're supposed ot have this stuff figured out
but as far as super-popular female pop idols go she's probably the best one I know of in terms of attitude and even creativity
oh yeah don't get me wrong those people tend to be pretty awful and yeah they mean her pop shit, i'm just saying she really is a good artist she just sort of keeps it a secret sometimes
also i cannot recommend harvester enough
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actually the game looks stupid nvm
it's like even more into the sort of psuedo version of american that was just japanese people figuring what america was like from a bunch of action movies and would probably be REALLY WEIRD if you played some NES games today. Like all the american city levels in ninja gaiden were designed by mc escher
Edit: That really threw me off around like 2006 or something all videogame locations started suddenly looking like real places like Grand Theft Auto maybe for example but even Dragon Quest 8 when that came out all of a sudden it actually looked sort of genuinely EUROPEY like no longer some preconceived notion of what medieval times looked like (this could apply to americans too). They might've even like, you know, did research and crap. Maybe some church area in the game they looked at lots of pictures of westminster abbey just as an example. Far Cry seems like a pretty good representation of a tropical island like they were really concerned with accuracy for once not just like 'well they have water and palm trees'
Edit: Even sort of industrial settings where you don't have to try very hard seem more made to seem like a real place like I think Resident Evil 5 had a location like an oil field I think and it seemed pretty attention to detail not saying it's the most accurate game in gaming history but just struck me how much games had changed trying to make places look authentic. This new Metal Gear feels like it's taking a hundred steps back maybe on purpose because totally realistic settings don't look very much like a movie and kojima is moviefag
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http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-metal-gear/101272
this looks kinda cool i suppose
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wow. that's actually really revolting. i don't honestly think i'd be able to play a game that had something like that as its chief gameplay dynamic. i can handle really graphic violence in a game, but really only if it's sensible. i was kinda nauseated by the way enemies can just POP in fallout for the first couple hours i was playing it, but after a while i got used to it. really when it was all said and done i thought it was probably a good idea, because it was just rather plainly realistic and kinda ultimately makes you think more about what you're doing. kinda amplifies the consequences of your actions more and shows killing as a real thing rather than something that the developers kinda senselessly glossed over. i would be less inclined to kill good people in fallout because i didn't really like to see them die like that, and i kinda feel like that may have been their intention, as they didn't really glamorize that part of the game.
but this is just disgusting. you're clearly meant to see it as COOL to cut people in half from head to groin. there wouldn't be a bullet-time function for this if that wasn't something they expected the brainless, rabid masses to feel.
i take back anything positive i ever said about kojima. he's just fucking disgusting.
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I thought MGS4 was the last one kojima himself was going to work on, and somebody else is taking over the franchise? He might only be advertising or
nevermind I don't actually know where I even heard this information I'm broken halp
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Yeah the game looks disgusting no thanks.
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I thought MGS4 was the last one kojima himself was going to work on, and somebody else is taking over the franchise? He might only be advertising or
nevermind I don't actually know where I even heard this information I'm broken halp
actually at second glance you may be right. he's listed as executive producer on this new game, which may mean that he's just collecting a paycheck for allowing them to call this game metal gear solid.
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i wish there werent so many goddamn games about killing things. IDK it seems like I'm an OLDMAN complaining about violence on SNES or playstaion software but jesus man shit is getting so fucking ridiculously graphic that they're selling a game on slicing "badguys" in slowmo from neck to groin. What is this supposed to appeal to? why are people applauding this garbage? YEAH ANOTHER 3D WORLD WHERE I CAN KILL PEOPLE AND THEY BLEED ALL OVER THE SCREEN!!!
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It is the first commercial game I've seen use physics like that which is kind of impressive but yeah it's a disgusting thing to have as a central gameplay element. I will probably pirate it to try it. I doubt it'll be very good
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Cut. CUT. ~CuT~ can you make the cut? New hyperslice technology lets you precisely pick what angles to dice a human being like a watermelon. Fucking video games
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well. it's a metal gear solid game not really made by hideo kojima (gets paycheck for this though) that's selling point is ULTRAVIOLENCE POWERED BY BLURAY/HD and it has nothing to do with metal gear solid games (hundley was proven to be right about kojima!). no, i don't think you are growing too old yet dietcoke
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unless i am getting him mixed up with someone else, in an interview kojima talked about how he got into the game industry AS a job, as in just a way to have a career. idk i think the reason he just gets money from these things is because he's in the mindset that yeah this is a job and his job is to make money from it. i don't think he sits around going YEP I'M MAKING ART FOR ARTS SAKE RIGHT NOW WITH THESE VIDCONS he's just there to make money and if he can do goofy weird things he wants in the process then good but the bottom line is that he sees this as a career. he does talk about art or w/e but frankly i think he's just a career man first and should be thought of it that way.
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unless i am getting him mixed up with someone else, in an interview kojima talked about how he got into the game industry AS a job, as in just a way to have a career. idk i think the reason he just gets money from these things is because he's in the mindset that yeah this is a job and his job is to make money from it. i don't think he sits around going YEP I'M MAKING ART FOR ARTS SAKE RIGHT NOW WITH THESE VIDCONS he's just there to make money and if he can do goofy weird things he wants in the process then good but the bottom line is that he sees this as a career. he does talk about art or w/e but frankly i think he's just a career man first and should be thought of it that way.
I'm pretty sure I read before that he originally wanted to be a movie director.