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Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on July 28, 2010, 10:56:59 pm
Heya folks, so I haven't had a desktop computer for about half a decade now, opting to go with a laptop for my college years and such, but now that I've finally graduated, and am making good money at a stable job, I've come to the realization that I need to get a desktop.

With more time on my hands now, I want to explore the world of PC gaming (which I can't do on this laptop's integrated graphics card), and be able to have a good higher-end PC that will last me a couple of years. (I've had my current laptop for a little over 2 years now, but it's always overheating which seems to cause it to slow down so heavily.) Game-wise, I mainly play Heroes of Newerth (runs on this laptop but the overheating causes the game to lag which makes it nearly unplayable) and I have recently purchased StarCraft II which I hope I can enjoy on this new rig on somewhat decent settings.

Anyway, so yeah, I'm looking to buy a computer online since I live in rural New Brunswick, Canada where there are hardly any electronic stores in the first place.

I'm looking to spend at max $2000 CAD.

Here's what I've initially picked out. Tell me if you think it's bad, alright, what not, etc. I appreciate it!


Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on July 29, 2010, 12:11:26 am
 (only talking about the computer)Well all in all not too bad deal. good side is it comes with the new windows 7, the Motherboard seems fairly decent and it can play games of the now at high with no sweat . But looking at the Processor Speed I'm guessing it's a low end I7 and a blind guess.... the ram is not high performance.

BTW you only payed 200 dollars more then my build but that because I don't have a legal version of windows 7.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Vanit on July 29, 2010, 12:22:57 am
Yeah it is a low end i7, but it'll be able to max out anything you can throw at it anyway. Hell, my laptop isn't even near highend and it can max quiet a few recent games out, or close to it.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on July 29, 2010, 12:28:17 am
I only use AMD for many personal reasons. but mine is a high end 4 core.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: everyclear on July 29, 2010, 03:22:25 am
i am pretty sure intel is the one that is sort of the upend of the processor market right now... could be wrong though. I think on that front though is a good reason to go with intel unless AMD happens to be significantly cheaper or something.  Anyways, I dunno shit about desktops anymore.  The last time I used a desktop we had single core processors, and whatever didn't matter to me because I was pretty much stuck in the dark ages until I got my laptop anyways.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Barack Obama on July 29, 2010, 06:36:45 am
You'd probably save money building it on your own. That case is lame as hell too, do you need the inside illuminated with blue LEDs and a window to look in and say hi? I wouldn't want that thing in my apartment. Go for something a little less "gamer-chic"(gaudy as hell) like a windowless Lian-li case. You should probably stay away from liquid cooling if you don't plan on regularly overclocking your CPU really high because it's really not necessary at all and just another thing that can break. I'd also stay away from cheap no-name monitors; spend an extra 50-100 bucks for a Samsung or NEC, also check out Dell's monitors because they consistently get pretty good reviews.

If you're using it primarily for gaming stick with intel i7, a good upper-mid range gigabyte or asus motherboard, name-brand RAM like OCZ or Corsair, and a WD or Hitachi hard drive. The video card really depends on what you want to spend but I don't think you'll notice any difference between a high end Nvidia and ATI card.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on July 29, 2010, 10:07:34 am
Quote from: DietCoke on July 29, 2010, 06:36:45 am
You'd probably save money building it on your own. That case is lame as hell too, do you need the inside illuminated with blue LEDs and a window to look in and say hi? I wouldn't want that thing in my apartment. Go for something a little less "gamer-chic"(gaudy as hell) like a windowless Lian-li case. You should probably stay away from liquid cooling if you don't plan on regularly overclocking your CPU really high because it's really not necessary at all and just another thing that can break. I'd also stay away from cheap no-name monitors; spend an extra 50-100 bucks for a Samsung or NEC, also check out Dell's monitors because they consistently get pretty good reviews.

If you're using it primarily for gaming stick with intel i7, a good upper-mid range gigabyte or asus motherboard, name-brand RAM like OCZ or Corsair, and a WD or Hitachi hard drive. The video card really depends on what you want to spend but I don't think you'll notice any difference between a high end Nvidia and ATI card.

I heard about 3 or 4 months ago Nvidia had some problems with there new stuff (I know they probably fixed it also I can't really recall what it was) and right now his ATI card isn't really high end as there is now about 16 Ati card PCI X16 with 2 GB of Memory storage rangeing to 450 -580 dollars and 1  PCI X16 card with 4 GB for about 1000 dollars.   ​ (They may have more but this is what Newegg has up.) Maybe for last gen technology it was high end but now not so much.

Also found a computer with almost the same specification at newegg for about 200 dollars cheaper other then the PSU 600W and a lot mixed reviews about it too.

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i am pretty sure intel is the one that is sort of the upend of the processor market right now... could be wrong though. I think on that front though is a good reason to go with intel unless AMD happens to be significantly cheaper or something.  Anyways, I dunno shit about desktops anymore.  The last time I used a desktop we had single core processors, and whatever didn't matter to me because I was pretty much stuck in the dark ages until I got my laptop anyways.
   
This is true when we are talking about a high end intel 4 core but I can get a high end AMD 4 core witch beats it's speed matches L2 catch with only 1 draw back and that's the L3 catch by 2 MB all for 140$ cheaper. I don't know about you other me... but AMD sounds like a better replacement for a low end intel 4 core.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on July 29, 2010, 11:24:25 am
Quote from: DietCoke on July 29, 2010, 06:36:45 am
You'd probably save money building it on your own. That case is lame as hell too, do you need the inside illuminated with blue LEDs and a window to look in and say hi? I wouldn't want that thing in my apartment. Go for something a little less "gamer-chic"(gaudy as hell) like a windowless Lian-li case. You should probably stay away from liquid cooling if you don't plan on regularly overclocking your CPU really high because it's really not necessary at all and just another thing that can break. I'd also stay away from cheap no-name monitors; spend an extra 50-100 bucks for a Samsung or NEC, also check out Dell's monitors because they consistently get pretty good reviews.

If you're using it primarily for gaming stick with intel i7, a good upper-mid range gigabyte or asus motherboard, name-brand RAM like OCZ or Corsair, and a WD or Hitachi hard drive. The video card really depends on what you want to spend but I don't think you'll notice any difference between a high end Nvidia and ATI card.
I've never built a pc before, but I am willing to give it a try if its not too hard to do. Of course, if I go that route I'd need help picking out the individual components (so if anyone wants to guide me in the right direction I'd really appreciate it).
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: everyclear on July 29, 2010, 02:05:14 pm
okay fair enough

also I am not really one to be helpful right now just because i don't really have that much time on my hands but the other thing I can say is that having a light or whatever in your case is as annoying as hell if you leave your computer on overnight and happen to sleep in the same room as it (my brother learned this lesson the hard way when he went to college).  Alternatively just turn it off or something?  Regardless though cases with lights in them are generally a waste of money and end up being more of a hassle in the long run anyways.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Barack Obama on July 29, 2010, 05:59:18 pm
Quote from: Mateui on July 29, 2010, 11:24:25 am
I've never built a pc before, but I am willing to give it a try if its not too hard to do. Of course, if I go that route I'd need help picking out the individual components (so if anyone wants to guide me in the right direction I'd really appreciate it).
If you can go through pharmacy school, you can build a PC Mateui :) there's lots of step-by-step tutorials online with pictures and stuff.
Everything basically plugs in to where it's supposed to go, the biggest issue is on the software end(drivers and whatnot). In the end it's a bit more rewarding because you end up knowing a bit more about exactly what's inside the computer and how to troubleshoot it. You also end up with a completely clean install of windows without all the unnecessary crap that builders load on to computers so things generally run a whole heck of a lot smoother.

stick to the basics with reputable brands and parts that you can find a lot of feedback/reviews for. No need for water cooling, lights, and windows.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on July 29, 2010, 08:08:29 pm
Ok, so I'm going to seriously consider just buying all the components and building my first PC. Sounds like fun actually. (And yeah, I hate the random preloaded programs on new commercial pcs.. so having control over that is very appealing). I'm going to go through the TigerDirect website and pick some components out and then post them here for your review to make sure they're all suitable/compatible, etc.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on July 29, 2010, 10:39:06 pm
I really think the wiring part is a pain in the ass. to make things easier on you I would recommended a full case because it got a lot of room for errors.

Putting in the motherbored  is easy it's just take some diligence since you do not want to touch the board too much in fact try not to touch it at all or to a bare minimum. from there mostly everything snaps in or slides in to place. Also when putting in ram don't push to hard I heard some stories of people snapping there bored lol. Also don't skimp out on the Power supply. I heard cheep no name brands frying the system. 

When picking a processor witch is the first thing you should do when doing a build. is look at the socket number.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on July 29, 2010, 10:41:06 pm
What do you think of me purchasing a barebone kit like the following:
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6370888&Sku=B69-1221

and then adding in the rest of the components?

I tried going all custom components but it ended up going above $2000 pretty fast.. and I thought building it myself would save me money!
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on July 29, 2010, 10:48:31 pm
Quote from: Mateui on July 29, 2010, 10:41:06 pm
What do you think of me purchasing a barebone kit like the following:
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6370888&Sku=B69-1221

and then adding in the rest of the components?

I tried going all custom components but it ended up going above $2000 pretty fast.. and I thought building it myself would save me money!

Not bad but the ram is a rip I could get 3 at new egg for 159.99$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227424&cm_re=OCZ-_-20-227-424-_-Product

Edit: Also it doesn't have GFX card. I would like to say New Egg has better deals on products.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on July 29, 2010, 10:59:59 pm
Ok, so I took some time at work right now ( :shh: its a slow night) to put together a list of components. How does this look? (excuse the images.. only have paint on this computer.)

(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/9185/computer1.png)

(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/1607/computer2.png)

Ends up being slightly cheaper than $2000 which is what I want. Am I missing any crucial components? Should I switch certain items?
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on July 29, 2010, 11:06:25 pm
Without looking anything up to see if anything is compatible. Most Motherboards come with some decent on board sound cards so it can be 87.99 bucks less but to each there own.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on July 29, 2010, 11:10:27 pm
Quote from: DDay on July 29, 2010, 11:06:25 pm
Without looking anything up to see if anything is compatible. Most Motherboards come with some decent on board sound cards so it can be 87.99 bucks less but to each there own.
Oh, ok. Well yeah, then there's no need to get another soundcard then. I'm all for cutting corners. Is there any site where I can check compatibility between all these parts?
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on July 29, 2010, 11:19:31 pm
Quote from: Mateui on July 29, 2010, 11:10:27 pm
Oh, ok. Well yeah, then there's no need to get another soundcard then. I'm all for cutting corners. Is there any site where I can check compatibility between all these parts?

Really I need to look up your ram (ram because I'm not sure that's the right port type I think yours takes DDR 3 and that's it) and power supply for the right connectors. Most motherboards of the now use 24 pin and then GFX card can use a few different pins

I just need to make sure everything works.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on July 29, 2010, 11:27:54 pm
Yeah, looks like it supports DDR3 only.. and the memory I picked out looks to be DDR2. Gonna have to change that. Oops.

EDIT: So, I'll switch to something like this:
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4837614&sku=C13-8220

That should work. I think.

Here's the direct link to the power supply for info about its connections:
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3276573&sku=ULT-LSP650

This has made me realize that I hardly know anything about computers. And here I thought DDR was just a dance game. lol. Anyway, hopefully this whole process will teach me more about computers. Thanks for the help everyone so far, and especially you DDay. <3
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on July 29, 2010, 11:41:01 pm
Everthing should work if you got your wattage usage right. I checked your GFX with power supply 6 pin it had and luckily it was 6 pin.

Mine GFX card was an 12 pin lol witch would look like this 2 x 6 Pin Techbicly it's just 2-6 pins


Edit:Warning Just thought about the case you have 5-4 pin's 3 will go to on board fans and 1 to the CPU fan but I see you have 2 CD drives so can you deal without the other CD drive
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: everyclear on July 30, 2010, 12:40:10 am
Quote from: DDay on July 29, 2010, 10:48:31 pm
Not bad but the ram is a rip I could get 3 at new egg for 159.99$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227424&cm_re=OCZ-_-20-227-424-_-Product

Edit: Also it doesn't have GFX card. I would like to say New Egg has better deals on products.
new egg doesn't ship to canada though
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on July 30, 2010, 12:41:45 am
Quote from: everyclear on July 30, 2010, 12:40:10 am
new egg doesn't ship to canada though

http://www.newegg.ca/  :fogetcool:
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on July 30, 2010, 03:27:44 am
Ok, I keep looking through various components and I'm so undecided about everything. I have no idea what's good and what's trash, but I really would like to place an order soon so I can build it next week. Are there any component lists out there that I can just copy and go with? It would be so easy if someone else did the hard working of picking out the right parts. I'd just buy them and then figure out how to build the darn thing.. choosing them as well is making my head spin.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on July 30, 2010, 06:04:10 pm
I could give you my build but it has a AMD 4 core and I used a mid tower but if I could go back I would get a Full Tower Because going back in there is going to be a bitch when it comes around for me to pull my investment that you would call it a Power supply or what I call it medusa (do too all the pins and connectors that it has.)
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on July 30, 2010, 09:29:45 pm
Fine I will make you one.

I included some of my thought process.(Also this is the order of how I determined your build.)
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Case: Full it's on sale and it's cheep (the PSU that comes with it is junk but makes a nice paper weight.)

Reason: Cheep

Research:I looked at comments and the only thing they have for it is too big. but that's good it's more forgiving and easy to work inside.  

Here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811103033)
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CPU: Intel (to make you happy)

Reason: You seem to like intel so I'll bite

What I was looking for: CPU Socket Type (this determines the compatibility with the motherboard ) Here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115213)

Alternative (cost more pretty much the same but unlocked): Here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116368&cm_re=Intel_Core_i7-_-19-116-368-_-Product)

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 Motherboard: PCI 16X2 (So latter on in your Computers life you can cross fire also has 3.0 USB and SATA 6.0 GB)

What I was looking for: Compatibility by Socket.

Determining Factors: I look at price and Upgrade-ability then use smi-new technology to make the deal.   

Here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131648)
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Ram: If Your running windows 7 6 GB ram is the way to go.

What I was looking for: DRR 3

Determining Factors: Window 7 can take 1 two 2 GB of ram Easily making the first stick useless, then games can take a few then factor in programs running in back ground 6 GB should do and also it's cheep for high performance RAM (Also I trust CORSAIR)

Made a mistake  lol fixed in later post with 2 GB OCZ Gold High Performance.
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Hard drives: But you can pick I don't care
...
Thought Processes: Nothing much Really It all deepens what you want out of a drive speed/high transfer rates, size and... Ect.

Here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145287)
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GFX CARD: cheep and too my understanding should run all games of the now on full settings after you update the Drivers.

What I Used: looked at costumers reviews and Also I trust Gigabyte.

Here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125327)

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PSU: 2X6 so you can crossfire. (I hope it reaches all components)

Thought Processes: Has good amount of pins and can cover all your components needs.

What I Do not know: In a perfected world everything would be spelled out for you but unfortunately not all components tell me the watts so it's more of a guess but 750W is a safe bet... Not sure it can take 2 GFX cards but only one way to tell. 

Good news: most PSU can go higher then there rated amount but not by much.

Here  (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817159094)
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CD drive: Have one myself can't beat it.

Thought Processes:I own it and it works fine thank you.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106334

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In USD it would come too 1047.93 USD with newegg price(also windows 7, tax and shipping not included in the price but for windows just add 100$)


and a lot cheaper but also you would need Thermal Compound for your CPU helps keep it cool on heat transfer rates to heat sink

I recommend:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103059

So tell me what you think Also I included some of the factors that made me pick that componet so you know how to pick your stuff out on your own next time.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on July 30, 2010, 11:52:52 pm
Awesome. Thanks a million DDay. I assume for the memory you picked out that I should get 2 of those (since each is 3x1gb of memory).

Dumb question, since it's my first time buying from Newegg. Is there a reason why the Harddrive seems to be shipping separetely?

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9254/huhr.png)

Looks to me like the site is calculating shipping/handling twice - once for just the harddrive and then again for everything else. Seems kind of dumb.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on July 30, 2010, 11:58:46 pm
good call the ram was an error I Had a few windows up  ... Don't tell me you paid yet?

Here is the quick fix http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227365&Tpk=20-227-365

I have them myself.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on July 31, 2010, 12:02:38 am
Quote from: DDay on July 30, 2010, 11:58:46 pm
good call the ram was an erroe i'll ... Don't tell me you paid yet?
Nope, just putting them into the shopping cart right now.

Oh, the shipping twice issue.. might that be because the harddrive happens to be from a different warehouse?
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on July 31, 2010, 12:08:28 am
I put in the fixed link on my last post and just gave you something I used only con is DOA are supposedly high but that's covered with a life time warranty.

Also I don't know what that means or why it happened maybe do more investigating?  Also make sure your using .Ca NewEgg.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on July 31, 2010, 12:12:35 am
Yeah, I just changed the .com's into .ca's in your links and it worked like a charm. Glad that Newegg keeps their products pretty much identical on both sites. As to picking up Windows 7, is OEM what I want to go with? (And 64-bit or 32-bit??)
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: everyclear on July 31, 2010, 12:15:10 am
def  64 bit.  no reason not to really since everything 32 will run on it.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on July 31, 2010, 12:16:47 am
Quote from: everyclear on July 31, 2010, 12:15:10 am
def  64 bit.  no reason not to really since everything 32 will run on it.

I agree with him it takes up little more ram but it's better in all aspects.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: everyclear on July 31, 2010, 12:27:22 am
well running a 64 bit operating system will allow you to recognize more than 3 gigs of ram on your computer, so that might be something to consider as well.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Vanit on July 31, 2010, 02:21:49 am
Maybe its too late now, but I'd recommend the HAF 932 tower (the one you originally picked, and the one I happen to own) over the XCLIO one in your last screenshot. The HAF has AWESOME airflow, and comes fullly outfitted with all the fans out of the box. In the course of my researching cases I also came across the airturbine designed ones, such as whats in your basket, and remember hearing they weren't so great.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on July 31, 2010, 03:54:02 am
No, it's not too late yet. Since its a long weekend, I won't be placing the order until monday anyway, so I still have a few days. But yeah, I like the look of the HAF tower a lot better and if it has better airflow that just makes it even more attractive. I think I'm going to go with it.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on July 31, 2010, 07:03:27 am
Quote from: Mateui on July 31, 2010, 03:54:02 am
No, it's not too late yet. Since its a long weekend, I won't be placing the order until monday anyway, so I still have a few days. But yeah, I like the look of the HAF tower a lot better and if it has better airflow that just makes it even more attractive. I think I'm going to go with it.

I have a HAF Mid Tower  And I recommend it to.... Cool masters makes a might fine case. But if there was an area you could skimp out on the most is the case unless your over clocking Then everything matters.. (So I did but feel Free to change what you like)
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on July 31, 2010, 10:14:40 pm
Dumb question - do I need to purchase a network card so that the computer will be able to detect a wireless signal and connect to it?
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Barack Obama on July 31, 2010, 10:17:57 pm
Quote from: Vanit on July 31, 2010, 02:21:49 am
Maybe its too late now, but I'd recommend the HAF 932 tower (the one you originally picked, and the one I happen to own) over the XCLIO one in your last screenshot. The HAF has AWESOME airflow, and comes fullly outfitted with all the fans out of the box. In the course of my researching cases I also came across the airturbine designed ones, such as whats in your basket, and remember hearing they weren't so great.
yeah that Xclio case looks atrocious too. Aesthetics mean quite a bit to me so I really dig Lian-Li cases, they're really well made mostly out of aluminum & steel and rather inconspicuous. It looks like a clean no-frills PC like you'd see in an office or something but has excellent airflow and there's a lot of attention to detail on the insides(cable management and whatnot) this one right here is excellent (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112244). Those gaming cases seriously look like they hired 13 year olds for the design team.

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Dumb question - do I need to purchase a network card so that the computer will be able to detect a wireless signal and connect to it?
you'll most likely need a card if your motherboard doesn't specifically list wifi compatibility. I use this one (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16839121008). never had a problem with it and it's really cheap.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: dada on July 31, 2010, 10:54:23 pm
Quote from: DietCoke on July 31, 2010, 10:17:57 pm
yeah that Xclio case looks atrocious too. Aesthetics mean quite a bit to me so I really dig Lian-Li cases, they're really well made mostly out of aluminum & steel and rather inconspicuous. It looks like a clean no-frills PC like you'd see in an office or something but has excellent airflow and there's a lot of attention to detail on the insides(cable management and whatnot) this one right here is excellent (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112244). Those gaming cases seriously look like they hired 13 year olds for the design team.
I agree on the gaming cases. They look like they're marketed at people who drink this (http://www.japannewbie.com/images/journal/ff_drink/final_fantasy_potion1.jpg).

By the way, where's the love for beige?

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Powermac9500.jpeg)

I miss beige.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on July 31, 2010, 11:09:25 pm
Quote from: Mateui on July 31, 2010, 10:14:40 pm
Dumb question - do I need to purchase a network card so that the computer will be able to detect a wireless signal and connect to it?

If you got the mother board I gave you no Edit : Wait you said Wireless yes. Yes you do... For a min. there all I read up to was network card so LOL .

Also I would recommend a build video for you But I got disclaimers I don't recommend Magnet ScrewDriver, (but to each there own) Don't man handle your Motherboard (try to not touch it much same for CPU), Instructions are not garbage and keep all CD to the side. He also Doesn't have a video card installed on it. he using on board video Witch your mother board doesn't have. Also there is different types of CPU Fans & Fan Mounts so take some info with a grain of salt and there is sockets that don't have the second step. ( witch I'll call it a door but lucky for you yours dose. Also note AMD are a bit different when it comes to finding the right way to mount to socket.)

What I like about this video is it shows the Importance of air flow and wire management and he also makes a mistake but It also shows you what one may look like so that's a plus. But he doesn't show the internal Speaker/CPU Speaker AKA The beeping sound witch is impotent since it beep out error codes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdTTlcdPqTg

for video cards also disclaimers most 16X 2.0 slots are now closer together so you can crossfire but not all.

http://vimeo.com/8065900
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: everyclear on July 31, 2010, 11:48:09 pm
omeg i think that you underestimate the power of the biege case
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: big ass skelly on July 31, 2010, 11:54:37 pm
Biege was pure genius because when freshly bought it looked ok but after a few years it went all yellowy like a coffee drinking smoker's teeth. Clever method of inbuilt obsolescence
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mince Wobley on August 01, 2010, 12:51:42 am
Black is the new beige

And beige is the new silver

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/web.wda-fr.org/photos/Ordis/HD-IBM_APTIVA_2144/IBM_APTIVA_2144_PERSPECTIVE_HD.jpeg)

It's an IBM aptiva, it's junk by now. But imagine a decent computer by today standards, inside that case. Doesn't the contrast make it look more powerful?

Beige should make a come back.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 01, 2010, 01:18:02 am
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yeah that Xclio case looks atrocious too. Aesthetics mean quite a bit to me so I really dig Lian-Li cases, they're really well made mostly out of aluminum & steel and rather inconspicuous. It looks like a clean no-frills PC like you'd see in an office or something but has excellent airflow and there's a lot of attention to detail on the insides(cable management and whatnot) this one right here is excellent. Those gaming cases seriously look like they hired 13 year olds for the design team.

I still recommended the HAF Full case if you wish to spend more money. Air flow was token in to consideration when this was conceived since CoolMasters built there Empire with Fans. One thing I can say about the fans that come stander on the HAF are ok but not the best on airflow but the best are noisy as shit.

I'm planing on my next build to get the noisy high airflow fans but I'm also thinking about going for a Water Cooling System because I never did it before and learning is Half the battle. But some times a bit intimidate on the unknown factor.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Vellfire on August 01, 2010, 04:26:08 pm
Quote from: DDay on August 01, 2010, 01:18:02 am
I still recommended the HAF Full case if you wish to spend more money. Air flow was token in to consideration when this was conceived since CoolMasters built there Empire with Fans. One thing I can say about the fans that come stander on the HAF are ok but not the best on airflow but the best are noisy as shit.

this reminds me of the man stroke woman sketch where this guy is looking at the newspaper and he's talking about how there's a special offer for some couch and they've got all these payment plans and it's such a good deal and w/e and it ends with "can we get it?" "no" "why???" "because it's fucking hideous."  "oh, yeah..."

seriously lian li cases are the fuckin best they are sexy as hell.  don't get some terrible gamer case with windows and lights and shit everywhere, i built a pc in high school and this is what i did and not only did it end up annoying me with so many lights but it also ended up warping and wouldn't close properly.  if you are going to buy a case that's not dirt cheap, then get a lian li and be an adult.

the next computer i build i think i'm gonna set aside some cash for a lian li case i have always wanted one :(​  right now my case is some really bland office depot case that i got just because my gamer one ended up having awful airflow (gotta make room for LIGHTS AND WINDOWS)
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 01, 2010, 05:07:54 pm
Quote from: Vellfire on August 01, 2010, 04:26:08 pm
this reminds me of the man stroke woman sketch where this guy is looking at the newspaper and he's talking about how there's a special offer for some couch and they've got all these payment plans and it's such a good deal and w/e and it ends with "can we get it?" "no" "why???" "because it's fucking hideous."  "oh, yeah..."

seriously lian li cases are the fuckin best they are sexy as hell.  don't get some terrible gamer case with windows and lights and shit everywhere, i built a pc in high school and this is what i did and not only did it end up annoying me with so many lights but it also ended up warping and wouldn't close properly.  if you are going to buy a case that's not dirt cheap, then get a lian li and be an adult.

The next computer i build i think I'm gonna set aside some cash for a lian li case i have always wanted one :(​  right now my case is some really bland office depot case that i got just because my gamer one ended up having awful airflow (gotta make room for LIGHTS AND WINDOWS)

The Coolmasters High Air Flow AKA HAF series of cases are really good I have one and it doesn't have windows and as for LED yes it dose the front Fan has one you don't need to hook up the light hell there is a on and off button with it :woop: it's a bit cheaper But as a man that owns a HAF series I think I may stay with them. Unless I'm feeling frisky and oblivious mood. But defiantly my next case is a HAF full case. After that I may start to pick some other ones.

But I will agree LIAN LI PC-X2000F Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case looks sexy but I'm not feeling the price tag anyway the case doesn't need to be set in stone he can just remove the components at a letter date and go to the next bigger better case when he has more money to drop on it....It's just to get him started with out breaking his bank.

Hell If I was to tell him the best he would go over his budget. like why a 4 core instead of a 6 why a 1GB GFX card then a 4GB one (but since it's new I wouldn't tell him to get it even if he asked for the best since there may be some kinks and there's no review to help me draw a picture of heat and power draw,, how many pins and ect. Yes one can assume not much heat from the 3 fans on this monster but would it's heat that it's throwing off... heat up other components Also power draw dose look like allot the 3 fans tell me so ...they also said HI!.)
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Vellfire on August 01, 2010, 06:32:46 pm
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But I will agree LIAN LI PC-X2000F Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case looks sexy but I'm not feeling the price tag anyway the case doesn't need to be set in stone he can just remove the components at a letter date and go to the next bigger better case when he has more money to drop on it....It's just to get him started with out breaking is bank.

yeah but if this is the case (heh, CASE, geddit???) then why even get an $80+ dollar case?  just get some cheap functional case until you have the free cash to get something real nice.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 01, 2010, 06:47:11 pm
Quote from: Vellfire on August 01, 2010, 06:32:46 pm
yeah but if this is the case (heh, CASE, geddit???) then why even get an $80+ dollar case?  just get some cheap functional case until you have the free cash to get something real nice.

On my list I made for him that's what I did I used NewEgg's great search filter and put in full case and set it to the lowest price case and bam it had good reviews for the most part so I suggested it. yes there is 49.99 ones but it had low reviews (I mean they where High but only 4 or 5 reviews.) so I wanted something that had more user base so I can make a more accurate decision.

But then someone chimed in and said get the HAL that he originally had witch I Wouldn't say it's a bad choose and if he had to go pennies up I too can recommend it.

BTW Mateui If you want to take a look at my own old build here it is. Witch isn't too old about 4-5 months.

Just take a look at them by copy and pasting the number in new egg's search bar. I will also tell you the reason why I picked them.
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Case/ item Number 11-119-197    

Reason: I need something cheep with good air flow because my GFX is one hot son of bitch when it peeks
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MotherBroad/ item Number  13-128-438

Reason:  it had the newest features at the time USB 3.0 and STAT 6.0GB even can support 6 core But there was a bad trade off upgrade-abilty was nerfed GFX card crossfire wise (Only 1 16x PCI) but all in all it was a solid broad
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GFX Card/ Item Number 14-150-438

Reason:To my understanding the best 1 GB card you can get when I got it I knew it couldn't support DX11 (but I still haven't seen a game it could not play on Full) and it's a power hog using 2x6 pin's and it also runs hot (but never over specs) when it handles games.
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CPU/ Item Number 19-103-692

Reason:I like ADM and it was the best 4 core money could buy. Yes I could of gotten 6 core just came out about 5 days before getting this but I need to put money else where.
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Ram/ Item Number 20-227-365

Reason:Cheep High Performance Ram that has lifetime Warranty and a sort of respectable brand. Can't beat it. But I did had concerns about DOA (Dead On Arrival) but It has lifetime warranty and I never got any that where dead it could of been miss handling by user or shipping.
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PSU/Item Number 17-171-029

Reason:This was my investment I put top dollar on a power Supply. Why you may ask. Is because I Plan on taking this bad boy out for all my builds to use over and over again in the long run saving money. It can upgrade any power hungry build and can power 7 PCI slots there is a catch the excess wires demands allot wire management and space. This is my little medusa. (I Hope it brakes on the 4th Year :fogetshh: maybe that year I will try to feed the pikmin.)
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Hard Drive/ Item Number 22-145-276

Reason: For me Size dose matter.(what a bad joke but Semi-true)
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Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Barack Obama on August 01, 2010, 11:39:48 pm
Quote from: Dada on July 31, 2010, 10:54:23 pm
I agree on the gaming cases. They look like they're marketed at people who drink this (http://www.japannewbie.com/images/journal/ff_drink/final_fantasy_potion1.jpg).

By the way, where's the love for beige?

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Powermac9500.jpeg)

I miss beige.
too much plastic IMO and you kinda have to get the whole beige monitor+keyboard+mouse thing in order for that look to work otherwise your work area/office will look like the electronics section at goodwill

The specific Lian li case I posted was a little outrageously priced, but they also make good middle of the road ones that look just as good(this one looks great (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112218)). I would dedicate more of my budget on a nice looking enclosure because it's going to become a fixture in my living space and if I get a really nice one then chances are it'll outlive most/all of the components it houses. PCs aren't tiny things and I just wouldn't want to look at something really large and gaudy sitting under my desk all the time.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 02, 2010, 12:21:33 am
Quote from: DietCoke on August 01, 2010, 11:39:48 pm
too much plastic IMO and you kinda have to get the whole beige monitor+keyboard+mouse thing in order for that look to work otherwise your work area/office will look like the electronics section at goodwill

The specific Lian li case I posted was a little outrageously priced, but they also make good middle of the road ones that look just as good(this one looks great (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112218)). I would dedicate more of my budget on a nice looking enclosure because it's going to become a fixture in my living space and if I get a really nice one then chances are it'll outlive most/all of the components it houses. PCs aren't tiny things and I just wouldn't want to look at something really large and gaudy sitting under my desk all the time.

but it's a mid tower. We are looking at full.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Barack Obama on August 02, 2010, 12:52:59 am
Quote from: DDay on August 02, 2010, 12:21:33 am
but it's a mid tower. We are looking at full.
:welp: I don't remember that being a requirement, but I guess that's all up him. All I'm sayin' is that i like things in my home to look nice and it's something everyone buying a computer should consider. some of those cases may seem "alright" or tolerable just by looking at the image on your screen, but believe me no  picture can really do justice to just how extraordinarily tacky those 'gamer-cases' look.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mince Wobley on August 02, 2010, 01:04:23 am
Computers today can't look nice because they're either all black (not a color) or silver (looks pseudo-futuristic) or like a barbie toy (vaios)

We need more pastel tones

--

Seriously now, do modern motherboards even fit inside those old cases they used for pentium II pcs? I don't want to make a black pc
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Barack Obama on August 02, 2010, 01:17:37 am
Quote from: Mince Wobley on August 02, 2010, 01:04:23 am
Computers today can't look nice because they're either all black (not a color) or silver (looks pseudo-futuristic) or like a barbie toy (vaios)

We need more pastel tones

--

Seriously now, do modern motherboards even fit inside those old cases they used for pentium II pcs? I don't want to make a black pc
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/www.baber.com/baber/gifs/penguin_ivory.jpeg)

... hope u like linux  :sport:
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: jamie on August 02, 2010, 11:30:38 am
i didn't figure old dietcoke for being a decorator when it came to electronics. i mean, i get it. i have only lately started to get it. i get older and i realise all that crap i always made sure i totally un-cared about, starts to play on my mind more and more. but even so, screw that. i want a bright puke green computer set up and a putrid yellow light bulb to make the room pulse. on the wall i want a giant photo of george costanza and there should be a constant 'brown' wave sound playing in place. i don't wanna be comfortable. i definitely don't wanna be sleek. all i wanna do is puke.

i do get it, though, but as far as computer goes the whole design of all of them, if i choose to think about it (which i just don't, mostly), is something i don't like. i don't like all the it reflects your lifestyle stuff it puts me off. i still run windows on the windows 98 graphic theme. i've got it in my head it saves processing power but it probably doesn't. i just like to keep the exterior simple and dank and get busy on making a mess.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 02, 2010, 02:44:00 pm
I'm going to place the order today. I looked through all the components you picked out DDay, and the reviews for the PSU kind of bothered me, so I opted to go for something a little more expensive that had more favorable reviews.

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006

I take it this one should be adequate for my needs as it seems to have everything the COOLMAX one had, but more.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 02, 2010, 02:54:58 pm
My bad... the PSU that thing dose look scary.... crap I think that was another mistake It was suppose to be from cool master not cool max (coolmax is know for making garbage​ well I'm glade you check in to it when I was looking every thing up .I had allot of windows/tabs open. comparing and what not.(Well on the bright side I guess it made you feel more apart of the build then too lol.) Also yes The PSU looks fine and CORSAIR makes some good stuff but more know for there RAM.

So what case did you pick?
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 02, 2010, 03:07:07 pm
I actually just decided to jump the gun and place the order. It is done.

Here is what I ended up going with:

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754

ASUS VW225TL Black 22" 5ms Height/Swivel/Tilt adjustable Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 8000 :1 (ASCR) Built-in Speakers
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236085

HITACHI Deskstar HD31000 IDK/7K (0S00163) 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145287

GIGABYTE GV-R577SO-1GD Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125327

LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Writer
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125327
(Ended up choosing this since there was a $3.00 off promo code on it right now).

ASUS P7F7-E WS SuperComputer LGA 1156 Intel 3450 w/ NVIDIA NF200 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131648

OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV6GK
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227365

COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160

Logitech K120 Black USB Wired Standard Keyboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126096
(I'm not a huge fan of wireless things since in my experience the batteries die at the worse possible times and I just don't want to have to deal with that).

Intel Core i7-870 Lynnfield 2.93GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor BX80605I7870
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115213

COOLER MASTER RG-TF4-TGU1-GP ThermalFusion 400 Thermal Compound
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103059


And that's it! It ended up being slightly above $2000 (but that's because I went with faster shipping), so I didn't really end up saving anything in the end - let's hope the experience of building this thing will go smoothly without hiccups. I'll definetely keep everyone posted on how it goes. Perhaps I'll blog about it in this topic.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 02, 2010, 03:49:37 pm
Well I'll post more how to videos make sure you know everything.

This one video is explains how to apply Thermal Compound  but one thing you don't need is a plastic bag it gives you a applicator, your not reusing so the first part is useless and go with his number 3.


Also just in case you where wounding other Reasons why I remanded a full case watch 2:57 to 3:48 on newegg and other site the images you see can't really help you grasp how big theses graphic cards are and there only getting bigger. Also if you watch the video in full there is a reason for Installing windows on a solid state drive Or SSD because there fast at accessing information with in the drive so window's should boot and respond faster.



molex connectors are 4 pin's and there a bitch and they bend easily.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: everyclear on August 02, 2010, 05:29:23 pm
this topic needs more bling
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 02, 2010, 09:27:24 pm
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/DDayDark/bling.webp)

Happy other me.. Are you!

I still can't believe Crysis (a game made in 2007) is the benchmark for todays cards. Even a 1000$ card couldn't get an average above 21 FPS with AA off... My god

Wonder what PCI 3.0 will bring
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: everyclear on August 02, 2010, 09:38:08 pm
thanks other me
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Biggles on August 03, 2010, 12:32:07 am
I bought my computer secondhand but it was originally put together by someone who's really good at that sort of thing (plugging things into other things.) It came with these locking rubber/plastic plates that replace the screws that hold the hard drives etc in place. I would highly recommend using them if you've got the extra cash because they made my life a lot easier when I was changing hard drives around and reorganising other stuff on the inside to get around reinstalling my OS. I don't know what they're called though! If I find out I'll edit my post.

there were also these: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811989004 which are also pretty awesome. overall, i am a big fan of not having to find my screwdriver / angle it correctly inside the case.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 03, 2010, 12:37:17 am
Yeah, I think with the HAF Tower I purchased, it was listed as having tool-less design (which I assume means you don't need a screwdriver to secure the components).
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 03, 2010, 12:59:33 am
Quote from: Mateui on August 03, 2010, 12:37:17 am
Yeah, I think with the HAF Tower I purchased, it was listed as having tool-less design (which I assume means you don't need a screwdriver to secure the components).

That's about right.

This guy is going to show you what your case looks like and what it comes with.

Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Biggles on August 03, 2010, 01:02:41 am
oh, so they typically come with the cases nowdays? neat.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: c0nfu53d on August 03, 2010, 11:41:02 am
On a related note, if your laptop is old and over heating it's likely dust has built up in the fans and buying a can of compressed air an de dustifiying you laptop will sort it. Still buy a desktop for gaming though.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 03, 2010, 08:44:17 pm
Anyway how fast is it coming over night or what?
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 03, 2010, 09:01:58 pm
One of my orders has shipped (the one containing the PSU, Windows 7, monitor, and harddrive), but the other one which has the rest of the components is still processing (40% - whatever that means) on Newegg's end, which is kind of annoying. I also received 2 tracking numbers for my first shipment, but they don't work at all. I'll be frustrated if I don't get anything by friday. Will let you know as soon as something arrives.

On a positive note I just got a letter from Montreal that had a $45 cheque in it since I did this online survey about my diabetes patients one day at work. I love it when those surveys work out.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 03, 2010, 09:15:04 pm
it take up to 24 hours sometimes before the tacking number work also I'f they gave you 2 shipping numbers that means they sent out the other one too. when I order from New Egg I get my shit fast.but then again there is a newegg warehouse in NJ so lol.I think New egg shipping practices are top notch.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Vellfire on August 03, 2010, 09:30:42 pm
Yeah tracking numbers take a bit to update.  Normally they'll at least update overnight.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 04, 2010, 03:02:16 am
Quote from: DDay on August 03, 2010, 09:15:04 pm
it take up to 24 hours sometimes before the tacking number work also I'f they gave you 2 shipping numbers that means they sent out the other one too. when I order from New Egg I get my shit fast.but then again there is a newegg warehouse in NJ so lol.I think New egg shipping practices are top notch.
No, I think they actually split up my 2 orders into 4 different orders... since I have a tracking number for just the monitor, and another tracking number for those other 3 things I listed. Those 4 components shipped faster since they were located in Canada already. Looks like everything else is in California or New Jersey at the moment so it'll probably be a couple of days before I get them.

EDIT: I just checked my tracking numbers again. They seem to work now. The monitor and the other 3 items are listed as being in transit in Toronto. I don't know whether Purolator Express goes by truck or by air, but with NB being 20 hours away by car I can't see the shipment taking longer than 2 days to get to me. Luckily I don't work this weekend so hopefully I'll be able to start building by then (fingers crossed that the American shipment will get here by friday).
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 04, 2010, 01:04:17 pm
Alright, looks like my first shipment is arriving today. Sadly, the other one is still processing. How long could it possibly take to find the 10 components I ordered and put them in a box? Over 2 days I guess. Seriously. :(
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: everyclear on August 04, 2010, 04:03:50 pm
i guess they don't teach patience in canada
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 04, 2010, 05:44:05 pm
I would of did the longest shipping plan because I'm a cheep bastard and pay more to get something faster is bullshit. But new egg sends out shit fast and as said before I live in NJ and they have a warehouse in NJ.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 04, 2010, 09:05:19 pm
Ok, NewEgg is retarded. I'm so frustrated right now. So anyway, the Canadian shipment I actually received today. That was quick. Am pleased with that. NOW, this American shipment is stuck in limbo. Apparently the processing holdup is occurring because my shipping address and billing address are different (I just moved to New Brunswick). I called Scotiabank to add a shipping address but guess what? They don't do that anymore. SO, I had to switch my billing address to my new shipping address BUT this will take 24 hours to go into effect.

Ok, ok.. NewEgg does this verification process to protect its customers from fraud. Fine. But I have two gripes:

1) Why did they take over 2 days to tell me this is causing the holdup?!
2) Why was the first order not verified? Protecting customers my ass. (OMG.. did Mateui just use profanity? Yes, it's a GW first!)

So, who knows how long this will take now? Probably another 2 days of processing and then express shipping - which now no longer matters since it'll surely hit the weekend wall - I'm thinking sometime mid next week, which is ridiculous. I'm seriously put off by NewEgg as a retailer right now. It's going to take a miracle for me to order from them again.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 04, 2010, 09:20:39 pm
LOL I think you are over reacting. Did you bitch at newegg Maybe you can get something out of this. (probably small but lol.)
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 04, 2010, 09:41:07 pm
Quote from: DDay on August 04, 2010, 09:20:39 pm
LOL I think you are over reacting. Did you bitch at newegg Maybe you can get something out of this. (probably small but lol.)
Yes, I have. Their chat is like talking to a bot, utterly useless, and even by phone they pretty much say the same thing. I've never had problems ordering online until NewEgg. I definetely do not want to repeat this experience. My weekend plans of building this beast have been ruined. :blarg:
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 04, 2010, 09:44:38 pm
It might be able to happen still. I like new egg I had a good experience with them. There normally fast.

What type of shipping did you set it at. if they ship tommrow you can get it on maybe Saturday if it's like overnight or something.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 04, 2010, 11:29:52 pm
Quote from: DDay on August 04, 2010, 09:44:38 pm
It might be able to happen still. I like new egg I had a good experience with them. There normally fast.

What type of shipping did you set it at. if they ship tommrow you can get it on maybe Saturday if it's like overnight or something.
Apparently they don't have overnight shipping available in Canada. I spoke to someone at Newegg because I asked if I could upgrade to a faster shipping method, but none exists. The fastest available lists itself at 2-5 business days, which I chose. Given that the Canadian package took 3 days, I'm thinking one from the complete opposite of the continent will take 5.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 04, 2010, 11:32:47 pm
Quote from: Mateui on August 04, 2010, 11:29:52 pm
Apparently they don't have overnight shipping available in Canada. I spoke to someone at Newegg because I asked if I could upgrade to a faster shipping method, but none exists. The fastest available lists itself at 2-5 business days, which I chose. Given that the Canadian package took 3 days, I'm thinking one from the complete opposite of the continent will take 5.

Well did you ask if they are able to get it out tomorrow so it will be in transit.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 04, 2010, 11:39:33 pm
They won't ship it until they get verification from Scotiabank, which will have to be tomorrow. They said they would do it in the morning, so I've got my fingers crossed that it will actually get on some form of transportation and out of the warehouse.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 04, 2010, 11:45:59 pm
Quote from: Mateui on August 04, 2010, 11:39:33 pm
They won't ship it until they get verification from Scotiabank, which will have to be tomorrow. They said they would do it in the morning, so I've got my fingers crossed that it will actually get on some form of transportation and out of the warehouse.

so wait was it the bank that rejected the payment? not really New Egg. How did you find out did the bank call you or something?
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 05, 2010, 01:06:52 am
Quote from: DDay on August 04, 2010, 11:45:59 pm
so wait was it the bank that rejected the payment? not really New Egg. How did you find out did the bank call you or something?
No, NewEgg calls your bank to make sure that where you're shipping to is what address the bank has on file. If there is any difference (which happened to me - I live in New Brunswick now temporarily, but I still get my bills sent to my home in Nova Scotia), NewEgg refuses to ship the package. It's pretty dumb though I think. If I wanted to ship to the North Pole, just let me do it, to restrict shipping to where you're billing is too restrictive in this age, especially since the bank doesn't let you have shipping addresses on file anymore anyway, just your billing address.

I'm so fed up right now that I'm now going to put the same/similiar items from this elusive shipment into Tigerdirect.ca and see how much it ends up costing me. If it's cheaper I'm definetely cancelling the NewEgg order and saying adios to them for good.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Vellfire on August 05, 2010, 01:27:36 am
woah really i have never had problems with newegg and i've ordered from them tons of times.  i've also never heard of them CALLING YOUR BANK though they do have this thing where they ask for the phone number on the back of your credit card which is kinda weird (never seen this anywhere else but never had problems from it either)

tigerdirect on the other hand always felt a little off to me.  i still had no problem ordering from them, but i always hated how their low prices were because of rebates that you have to take the time to mail in and hope they go through okay as opposed to newegg's low prices just...being low prices
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 05, 2010, 08:31:37 pm
Ok, looks like my billing address has been updated by my bank because Newegg finally verified it and has now charged me. I just hope that they'll ship today as well.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 05, 2010, 11:24:09 pm
Update - looks like my final two packages from the States have shipped! Also, I've already opened up my monitor and set it up in its position, and I've looked at the power supply and harddrive. Not much I can do now but wait.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 07, 2010, 04:29:45 pm
it could come today or tomorrow (if they delver on Sunday and if they do then it's not like the US. ) it dose say 2 to 5
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 08, 2010, 05:34:18 pm
The tracking info shows the packages were in Montreal on Saturday, so I hope they'll be here by monday morning. Sucks how I'm working this weekend though. I do have thursday off so maybe I'll try building it all then. I've watched a few videos and have read some stuff here and there - the only thing that isn't that clear to me right now is how to install the OS onto the computer. Do I just turn the computer on and pop in the windows 7 CD and go from there?
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 08, 2010, 05:55:53 pm
Quote from: Mateui on August 08, 2010, 05:34:18 pm
The tracking info shows the packages were in Montreal on Saturday, so I hope they'll be here by monday morning. Sucks how I'm working this weekend though. I do have thursday off so maybe I'll try building it all then. I've watched a few videos and have read some stuff here and there - the only thing that isn't that clear to me right now is how to install the OS onto the computer. Do I just turn the computer on and pop in the windows 7 CD and go from there?

yep well you need to set the Bios some times you get lucky and could just put in the CD but each motherboard is it's own also read the manual about the bios that came with your motherboard to know what Fnumber key to hit. After installing window and setting up the net it would be ideal for you to update your GFX Card. Also you could do your bios but it's not necessary unless you got issues reading your hardware.


Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 09, 2010, 07:02:50 pm
Today two more packages arrived. Just waiting on one more that has the graphics card. It shipped on thursday from LA but the tracking hasn't been updated since, so I have no idea where it is right now and when I'm going to get it. So much for express shipping. Argh!

EDIT: Tracking updated and looks like it only got to Seattle in 4 days. REALLY?! At this rate its going to be another week before I get the graphics card, which is dumb because I already started building the computer but obviously can't use it without a graphics card, now can I?
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 10, 2010, 12:21:04 am
Quote from: Mateui on August 09, 2010, 07:02:50 pm
Today two more packages arrived. Just waiting on one more that has the graphics card. It shipped on thursday from LA but the tracking hasn't been updated since, so I have no idea where it is right now and when I'm going to get it. So much for express shipping. Argh!

EDIT: Tracking updated and looks like it only got to Seattle in 4 days. REALLY?! At this rate its going to be another week before I get the graphics card, which is dumb because I already started building the computer but obviously can't use it without a graphics card, now can I?

True you can't because the motherboard doesn't have an on-board Video card but normal on-board Video cards suck anyways and aren't made for gaming. So normally manufacturer oped-out on punting a on-board video and they give you more useful stuff.   But they do make on-board video with some motherboards for like office desktops.... it's vary basic.

Just too make sure. You do know how to find the right way to set the processor right? Not sure how Intel dose it but AMD has an arrow on the corner that matches you with the socket. When in doubt normally refer to the motherboard manual it covers a lot of issues. Also when you first start your computer best to leave your case open just in case you missed something.

If none of the manuals/instructions don't cover it I will try to help you too. Also a word of warning it's not a good idea to overclock using a stocked CPU fan.

I'm off on Thursday so I will petrol this thread so I can assist you if need be. 
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Barack Obama on August 10, 2010, 01:25:37 am
I looked at the MB he bought and I think it does have an onboard video chip. There's a DVI video out in between the USB/ethernet ports and right above the TOSlink audio out.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131648 take a look
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 10, 2010, 01:28:30 am
Quote from: DietCoke on August 10, 2010, 01:25:37 am
I looked at the MB he bought and I think it does have an onboard video chip. There's a DVI video out in between the USB/ethernet ports and right above the TOSlink audio out.
If so the specs are not right. It say none in the onboard video specs.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Barack Obama on August 10, 2010, 01:29:29 am
ah nevermind the specs say that there's no video. What's the DVI for in the picture???
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 10, 2010, 01:33:21 am
Quote from: DietCoke on August 10, 2010, 01:29:29 am
ah nevermind the specs say that there's no video. What's the DVI for in the picture???

IDK it might be able to throw out video I real don't know...It's worth a try.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Barack Obama on August 10, 2010, 01:35:34 am
Hey Matui, try putting it together and plugging your monitor into the DVI port. Maybe you'll get some video :welp:
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 10, 2010, 01:50:19 am
Quote from: DietCoke on August 10, 2010, 01:35:34 am
Hey Matui, try putting it together and plugging your monitor into the DVI port. Maybe you'll get some video :welp:

Also I would like to say good call on the DVI port. If that doesn't work your just one step away to getting it done.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 10, 2010, 01:56:45 am
Hey guys,

So it's 4 hours since I've started putting this beast together and I'm close to being finished minus installing the video card which I don't have yet. I'll quickly go through my thoughts during this experience:

- My biggest initial hurdle was applying the thermal paste. I removed the preapplied paste from the stock cpu fan using isopropanol 99% dabbed q-tips. I'm such a perfectionist that it must have taken upwards of 10 minutes to get a thin uniform coat onto the cpu. After that was done, attaching the fan was a snap (pardon the pun).
- I had some trouble putting in the DDR3 memory, then I realized I was supposed to lift up one side of the slot (in all the videos I've watched the memory went in effortlessly and the side would then snap in place). I just needed to lift up that snapping part, put the memory in, and then it snapped on its own. Success!
- I next put in the stand-offs in the correct ATX position. Luckily the case came with a template telling me where to install the standoffs. The hardest part came with the I/O plate. I had a difficult time getting the motherboard to snap into it (those annoying metal prongs sticking out made it hard to attach, but eventually I ended up bending a few of them into different positions and it worked.)
- I then attached the powersupply to the bottom of the case. I ended up putting it the wrong way (fan was directed to the inside) but I quickly realized the error and fixed it.
- I then started attaching some cables to the motherboard. First up was the 24-pin cable from the powersupply. That was easy. Despite there being probably 2 dozen cables, I quickly figured out where they went. There are a few still that I haven't attached because I don't know where to plug them in. The 1394 firewire cable for one, but it's no big deal if I don't attach it since I've never used firewire before anyway. Also, the LED lights from the case I haven't figured out yet. Since they're just aesthetic I'm not going to worry too much.
- Putting in the DVD drive was pretty easy. I was impressed by the tool-less nature of the dock in the case (there's a button you press that snaps down and secures the drive). However, that alone I found not stable enough, so I did use screws to further secure the drive.
- Next up I installed the hard-drive.
- Then I attached the 3 case fans.
- Now I'm working on applying cable ties to the cables. One thing I quickly learned was to stay neat with the cables since there are so many of them. Luckily this case has some cable room below where the motherboard lies, so I've been feeding all of them under and around it. I'm liking it so far. Whenever I've opened up a computer in the past there's just been a mess of cables everywhere - now I know where they all are, and it's totally clear. A little organizational effort goes a long way.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 10, 2010, 02:04:58 am
lol I never removed my CPU Fan thermal compound... to much work for something that makes no big deal (since I'm not overclocking) I just applied it to the CPU and it runs fine. Also bending prongs :fogetshifty: how did you like those fan/molex connector don't they bend easily
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Barack Obama on August 10, 2010, 02:13:39 am
You're usually not supposed to put a thin uniform coat of thermal paste on the CPU, IIRC you're supposed to draw a little line with the paste on the CPU, push the heatsink down over it and give it a little twist because due to the fact that a lot of times the little heat spreader on the chips as well as the contact surface of the heatsink are not perfectly flat(most are pretty concave/convex actually) which means there could be small pockets of air in between the two surfaces if you were to spread it on evenly.

http://www.arcticsilver.com/intel_application_method.html
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 10, 2010, 02:19:58 am
Quote from: DietCoke on August 10, 2010, 02:13:39 am
You're usually not supposed to put a thin uniform coat of thermal paste on the CPU, IIRC you're supposed to draw a little line with the paste on the CPU, push the heatsink down over it and give it a little twist because due to the fact that a lot of times the little heat spreader on the chips as well as the contact surface of the heatsink are not perfectly flat(most are pretty concave/convex actually) which means there could be small pockets of air in between the two surfaces.

http://www.arcticsilver.com/intel_application_method.html

it should be fine .... in worst case scenario it would reach a high temp and it will force a shut down. barely (if any) doing any harm since it shuts off before it get that bad unless your overclocking then it might be too late then. :fogetlaugh: if the compound works why have him redo it and I would recommend it the way he did it. but to be fair I would make it thin but not too thin.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 10, 2010, 02:20:23 am
Quote from: DietCoke on August 10, 2010, 01:35:34 am
Hey Matui, try putting it together and plugging your monitor into the DVI port. Maybe you'll get some video :welp:
Yeah, its strange. On the specs it says no video.. however, it does like like a DVI port was included. The manual says it must be purchased separately but it came in the box. The manual calls it a serial port connector (which means nothing to me...) and I plugged it into the COM1 slot of the motherboard as directed. I'll try plugging the monitor into that port and see what happens.

I'm pretty much done installing everything now.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Barack Obama on August 10, 2010, 02:24:38 am
Quote from: Mateui on August 10, 2010, 02:20:23 am
Yeah, its strange. On the specs it says no video.. however, it does like like a DVI port was included. The manual says it must be purchased separately but it came in the box. The manual calls it a serial port connector (which means nothing to me...) and I plugged it into the COM1 slot of the motherboard as directed. I'll try plugging the monitor into that port and see what happens.

I'm pretty much done installing everything now.
No that's not what I was talking about, that's a serial port(it's for older I/O devices). The DVI that I'm talking about is right there mounted on the board in between the two sets of USB ports and right above the optical audio-out It's a big white rectangular plug
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 10, 2010, 02:39:57 am
Quote from: DietCoke on August 10, 2010, 02:24:38 am
No that's not what I was talking about, that's a serial port(it's for older I/O devices). The DVI that I'm talking about is right there mounted on the board in between the two sets of USB ports and right above the optical audio-out It's a big white rectangular plug
Alright, gotcha. I understand. Ok, going to turn on this sucker. Hopefully it'll at least turn on.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 10, 2010, 02:49:00 am
Ok, it didn't turn on at all. Monitor is showing no signal, and the CPU shows no activity other than one green LED light located above the USB8 port that is now light up. No fans are whirling, etc.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 10, 2010, 02:50:07 am
Let me get this right you found how to hook up your power button but not you LED also did you hook up your CPU speaker (I think this is the only thing you need to get ground and positive right or you will burn out CPU speaker)


Quote from: Mateui on August 10, 2010, 02:49:00 am
Ok, it didn't turn on at all. Monitor is showing no signal, and the CPU shows no activity other than one green LED light located above the USB8 port that is now light up. No fans are whirling, etc.
So your power button wiring might be on wrong because something should of happened.

BTW going to bed got work in about 4 hours so if you run in to a brick wall sorry.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 10, 2010, 02:52:50 am
I'm dumb. Turns out I didn't attach the power and reset button cables to the motherboard, so duh, my power button isn't doing anything. :P And the LED light is showing up on the motherboard because the power supply is on.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 10, 2010, 03:02:44 am
Ok, so I attached the power/reset/led cables, and turned on the comp. The fans are now going, but I'm not seeing anything on my monitor unfortunately.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 10, 2010, 03:05:46 am
Quote from: Mateui on August 10, 2010, 03:02:44 am
Ok, so I attached the power/reset/led cables, and turned on the comp. The fans are now going, but I'm not seeing anything on my monitor unfortunately.
Well it was worth a shot gusse you need to wait for that one thing also since it was on dose everything seem to be running at least fan wise.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 10, 2010, 03:11:24 am
Yeah, all the 3 built in fans in the cases are spinning, the red lights are working, the CPU heatsink fan is going, and the powersupply is working. I'm surprised by how quiet it is. My laptop is so much louder (and much hotter.) I was admiring the inside of the computer case and it just as good as a fan blowing cold air on a blistery hot summer night. Very impressed so far.

Obviously I can't tell whether the memory was detected, and the harddrive or DVD drive are responsive, but hopefully once I get that graphics card I'll be able to go through the BIOS setting and find out. At least I think I'm over 90% done at this point.

 :woop:

Thanks for the help everyone! I'll probably still need it going through the setup of the BIOS since I've never done that but we'll cross that bridge when the time comes.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 11, 2010, 05:46:34 pm
Ok, graphics card just arrived today. I installed it and then turned on the comp, but still the monitor is showing no signal. What could the problem be? I've got the monitor connected to a connector on the graphics card, and the card itself is connected to a power cable from the PSU...
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Carrion Crow on August 11, 2010, 06:08:57 pm
This is the kinda thing where a photo would be handy.

Make sure your graphics card is properly seated in the slot. Sometimes they just need pushing down a little, gently until there's a click where a little clip locks it into place.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 11, 2010, 06:12:30 pm
check your ram also see if it's the monitor do you got an old one laying around.

Also put in the CPU speaker (witch came with the case.) and make sure + and -(ground) right so it will work. it shoots out error codes (by beeps) then refer too your motherboard book for help.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 11, 2010, 06:30:14 pm
Here's a quick snapshot I took (sorry about the quality).

(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6482/image1xg.jpg)

The manual mentions that the motherboard should give out some beeps to clue you in as to what is the problem, but I'm not hearing a single beep.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 11, 2010, 06:41:34 pm
Quote from: Mateui on August 11, 2010, 06:30:14 pm
Here's a quick snapshot I took (sorry about the quality).

(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6482/image1xg.jpg)

The manual mentions that the motherboard should give out some beeps to clue you in as to what is the problem, but I'm not hearing a single beep.

So you did hook up the CPU speaker are you sure you hooked it up right. also take a picture with the hardware in.


Just in case you don't know what I'm talking about 6:18 to 6:22 he calls it a buzzer but it's really a mother board speaker so it can make those Beeps.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Carrion Crow on August 11, 2010, 06:56:35 pm
Is your GPU actually in a PCI-E x16 slot? Check the manual. It probably is but you never know...
 Checked with this, it is http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=13-131-648-Z05&SpinSet=13-131-648-RS&ISList=13-131-648-Z01%2c13-131-648-Z02%2c13-131-648-Z03%2c13-131-648-Z04%2c13-131-648-Z05&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16813131648&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=ASUS%20P7F7-E%20WS%20SuperComputer%20LGA%201156%20Intel%203450%20w%2f%20NVIDIA%20NF200%20SATA%206Gb%2fs%20USB%203.0%20ATX%20Intel%20Motherboard

Make sure all cables are super pushed in.

Can't see anything wrong with that pic atm, may need more inspection.

Check your ram is in the right slots as according to the manual.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 11, 2010, 07:00:23 pm
Quote from: ed on August 11, 2010, 06:56:35 pm
Is your GPU actually in a PCI-E x16 slot? Check the manual. It probably is but you never know...
 Checked with this, it is http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=13-131-648-Z05&SpinSet=13-131-648-RS&ISList=13-131-648-Z01%2c13-131-648-Z02%2c13-131-648-Z03%2c13-131-648-Z04%2c13-131-648-Z05&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16813131648&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=ASUS%20P7F7-E%20WS%20SuperComputer%20LGA%201156%20Intel%203450%20w%2f%20NVIDIA%20NF200%20SATA%206Gb%2fs%20USB%203.0%20ATX%20Intel%20Motherboard

Make sure all cables are super pushed in.

Can't see anything wrong with that pic atm, may need more inspection.

Check your ram is in the right slots as according to the manual.

That too If I had to guess (but still check the manual) the first ram should be in the blue one Also I would still like to see the hardware on the mother board so I can see if something is off.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 11, 2010, 07:11:51 pm
The manual is kind of confusing in regards to the DDR3 slots for the memory. It says that there are 2 channels, A and B, and memory can go into either channel A or B, with the "system mapping the total size of the lower-sized channel for the dual-channel configuration". Right now it looks like I put all three sticks of memory into channel A.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 11, 2010, 07:14:46 pm
Tell you what, I'm going to take that photo of the motherboard and photoshop in what cables I have plugged in where to make it easier for everyone.

EDIT: There:
(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/560/motherboard.png)

Now, I do seem to have some random cables that came with the motherboard that I haven't used.. maybe that's the problem? I'll take a photo of them.

EDIT:
(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2546/unusedcables.png)

And I realized I didn't plug in the built in speaker - it's this little contraption:
(http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/2521/speaker.png)

So I just plugged it in, yet the computer still makes no beeps whatsoever through it.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 11, 2010, 07:49:24 pm
Oh, apparently my mobo came with a GP Diagnostics card, so I plugged that in and turned on the computer. It shows me three numbers and then ER, which I'm assuming means error:

01 68 04 ER

So maybe if I figure out what these numbers mean I'll know what's wrong. Unfortunately the manual for the motherboard doesn't include a legend for them.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Carrion Crow on August 11, 2010, 08:07:02 pm
Things you could try could be swapping the ram over to different slots, try putting the GPU in another slot.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 11, 2010, 08:12:25 pm
Quote from: ed on August 11, 2010, 08:07:02 pm
Things you could try could be swapping the ram over to different slots, try putting the GPU in another slot.

I just hoping the board isn't DOA. call ASUS tech support  maybe they can help but be prepared to get mad.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Carrion Crow on August 11, 2010, 08:14:44 pm
I've had a DOA Asus before haha. Would not buy again.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 11, 2010, 08:17:07 pm
Ok, some progress. I took out two of the DDR3 sticks and left one in the blue slot in channel A. The computer now actually beeps on startup, however it beeps 3 times which according to this manual means the VGA was not detected. I'm going to try moving the graphics card into another slot.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 11, 2010, 08:23:00 pm
Quote from: ed on August 11, 2010, 08:14:44 pm
I've had a DOA Asus before haha. Would not buy again.

Well sadly you can get DOA on any computer Products. Hell the Asus you had could of got messed up in handling there is many factors. 

Quote from: Mateui on August 11, 2010, 08:17:07 pm
Ok, some progress. I took out two of the DDR3 sticks and left one in the blue slot in channel A. The computer now actually beeps on startup, however it beeps 3 times which according to this manual means the VGA was not detected. I'm going to try moving the graphics card into another slot.


Also good are you sure your putting it in all the way in and correctly.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 11, 2010, 08:30:13 pm
Ok, so the computer is Doing one long beep, followed by 3 quick beeps, then a one second pause followed by a single beep. I can't figure out what this means. A long beep followed by 3 quick ones means that the VGA was not detected, but a single beep means it was... so that last beep is not making sense to me.

Ugh, why do I feel like I just bought a whole bunch of expensive but useless components? :(
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 11, 2010, 08:32:55 pm
Quote from: Mateui on August 11, 2010, 08:30:13 pm
Ok, so the computer is Doing one long beep, followed by 3 quick beeps, then a one second pause followed by a single beep. I can't figure out what this means. A long beep followed by 3 quick ones means that the VGA was not detected, but a single beep means it was... so that last beep is not making sense to me.

Ugh, why do I feel like I just bought a whole bunch of expensive but useless components? :(

Still say call your motherboard company and see what's up.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Carrion Crow on August 11, 2010, 08:37:40 pm
When my ASUS mobo longbeeped at me it was the GPU not seated correctly in the PCI-E slot, it booted fine after that was resolved.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 11, 2010, 08:46:18 pm
I've tried all the PCI-E slots and made sure the card was pressed into the slot firmly and evenly, but the mobo never detects it it seems. I tested out my monitor on this laptop and it's working perfectly, so I know the problem isn't there. I'm thinking it must be the graphics card. When I opened it from the box I was shocked to see that the fan's screws had actually come off, so I had to rescrew the fan back on. When I turn on the computer the graphics card fan is spinning, so maybe it is a motherboard issue...
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Carrion Crow on August 11, 2010, 08:48:52 pm
I'd RMA the GFX in that case. If you can find an old GPU to test in your PC that'd confirm it all.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 11, 2010, 09:09:35 pm
Yeah, its definetely the GPU that is messing everything up. I've noticed that upon booting, the motherboard has these blue led lights that light up in sequence next to each component (CPU fan, RAM, PCI-E slot, and SATA drives), they light on and turn off if that component is working a-ok. Guess what? The PCI-E slot remains lit up the whole time. :(

I'm going to see if I can go to some local store and buy a cheap GPU to test it out. If that works I'll know my grahics card is the problem. If that fails I'll know it's the mobo.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Carrion Crow on August 11, 2010, 09:24:39 pm
I've done 5 computer builds in my life (i.e. ordered entire new sets of components for myself or for another person) and two out of those 5 times I've had 1 component that needs RMA-ing. I wouldn't lose heart in the built-it-yourself strategy. You'll still be getting a better deal in the end. It's just a pain having to wait!
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 11, 2010, 09:34:44 pm
Ok, so I've never gone through a RMA before (but I guess this is all part of this learning experience... Can I just get a refund for the GPU or is it strictly a replacement policy?) 
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 11, 2010, 09:46:31 pm
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from NewEgg on VGA.

Also your invoice should tell you also I would like to clarify that I never need to RMA.


Here's wild shot in the dark Mateui pull out that lithium battery on your motherboard for about 20 sec then place it back in. (what this dose is reset the bios) Never know it might just work.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 11, 2010, 10:43:45 pm
Quote from: DDay on August 11, 2010, 09:46:31 pm
from NewEgg on VGA.

Also your invoice should tell you also I would like to clarify that I never need to RMA.


Here's wild shot in the dark Mateui pull out that lithium battery on your motherboard for about 20 sec then place it back in. (what this dose is reset the bios) Never know it might just work.
Tried that, didn't work. :(

On a good note I figured out the memory problem. Apparently the mobo doesn't like it when you have 3 sticks in channel A and 0 in channel B, but it seems to like having 2 sticks in channel A and 1 stick in channel B (with both blue DDR3 slots occupied).

I don't have time to purchase a GPU from a local store tonight, but hopefully tomorrow I'll be able to just to test it out.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Alec on August 11, 2010, 11:04:29 pm
yeah it's a good idea to do it that way anyway. Using both channels speeds up the system.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 12, 2010, 06:54:23 pm
Good news. I just purchased a really cheap PCI-E card, plugged it in, turned on the computer, and success! I get a picture on my monitor and am currently configuring the BIOS settings. Going to send back my faulty HD5770 back to Newegg for replacement, since I now know for sure that it was causing the problem and not the mobo (thank God!).

Everything else on the computer seems to have been installed right since the bios setup utility is showing me that everything has been detected.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 12, 2010, 07:11:55 pm
Well that's good. RMA a mobo would be a bitch undoing everything.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 12, 2010, 07:29:46 pm
Ok, I now have windows 7 up and running. One thing though, I can't seem to connect to a wireless signal since it appears I don't have a wireless adapter? I thought it was built into the mobo, or was I mistaken?
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 12, 2010, 07:31:32 pm
Wireless no. but you can get internet by viva Ethernet Wires.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 12, 2010, 07:33:07 pm
Ok well no worries. I'll just move the router to my room and plug in an ethernet cable.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Vellfire on August 12, 2010, 07:42:21 pm
Are there any motherboards nowadays that have built in wifi adapters?  Because I'm going to be building a new computer towards the end of this year (hopefully) and that'd be pretty rad.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Carrion Crow on August 12, 2010, 08:05:40 pm
Cost of a motherboard compared to cost of a Wifi adapter....
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 12, 2010, 08:12:48 pm
Quote from: Vellfire on August 12, 2010, 07:42:21 pm
Are there any motherboards nowadays that have built in wifi adapters?  Because I'm going to be building a new computer towards the end of this year (hopefully) and that'd be pretty rad.

I found a board but there not selling them anymore I goggled it and Asus did make a wireless edition back in the day Here to give it a look see  (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131011)
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 12, 2010, 10:03:29 pm
So I didn't have an ethernet cable handy and I was too lazy to move the router, so I decided to go to Staples and just buy a wireless card there. Unfortunately they don't sell any PCI-e wireless cards (which I found out after buying a PCI one from there.. Oops. Had to go back to return it.) So I picked up one of those wireless USB adapters (Dlink Xtreme N with Dual Band). Installing the drivers now. Lets hope it works!

EDIT: Works like a charm (and doesn't take up space in the mobo so that's an upside).
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Barack Obama on August 13, 2010, 09:33:46 am
you can use a PCI card in a PCI-e slot just FYI
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 13, 2010, 01:37:34 pm
Quote from: DietCoke on August 13, 2010, 09:33:46 am
you can use a PCI card in a PCI-e slot just FYI
Really? I tried to fit it in but there was no way it was gonna fit in the PCI-e slot.  :welp:
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Barack Obama on August 13, 2010, 01:50:02 pm
Quote from: Mateui on August 13, 2010, 01:37:34 pm
Really? I tried to fit it in but there was no way it was gonna fit in the PCI-e slot.  :welp:
oh nvm, I was wrong and was thinking of something else(a PCI-e bus is still technically compatible with PCI, but the physical slots aren't), you can but you'd need an adapter...

that's weird that your board doesn't have any. Is regular ol' PCI being phased out?
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Carrion Crow on August 13, 2010, 02:08:47 pm
I think his board is a pro-gamer board so they've deliberately left them out to allow QUAD-SLI etc.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Vellfire on August 13, 2010, 06:29:32 pm
Quote from: ed on August 12, 2010, 08:05:40 pm
Cost of a motherboard compared to cost of a Wifi adapter....

If you're already buying a motherboard though, why not avoid having to deal with an adapter?

But if this is gonna apparently be some obscure thing nobody's selling regularly then I wouldn't bother.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Carrion Crow on August 13, 2010, 06:37:14 pm
You can get a USB wifi adapter for < £5 and the choice of motherboard should be more based on the chipset you want to support your CPU and GPU,the PCI bus bandwidth support (i.e. how many slots are x8 or x16). It'd be daft for the choice to be overridden by WiFi when there are a lot more important features to consider!

What a petty post. I'm sorry. This was a dumb argument. Go make me a sandwich.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Vellfire on August 13, 2010, 06:45:54 pm
Quote from: ed on August 13, 2010, 06:37:14 pm
You can get a USB wifi adapter for < £5 and the choice of motherboard should be more based on the chipset you want to support your CPU and GPU,the PCI bus bandwidth support (i.e. how many slots are x8 or x16). It'd be daft for the choice to be overridden by WiFi when there are a lot more important features to consider!

What a petty post. I'm sorry. This was a dumb argument. Go make me a sandwich.

Yeah but who said anything about picking a motherboard JUST for having wifi?  I was thinking that maybe this was a standard thing in motherboards nowadays (because I haven't looked at computer hardware since I built my desktop in like 2005), in which case it would just be a nice added feature.  You were making it out to be something it wasn't, bub!

Also I've never bought a USB wifi adapter for under £5.  Ever.  Maybe I'm just buying pricey ones but yeah they've never been THAT cheap.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Carrion Crow on August 13, 2010, 07:35:28 pm
Admitedly my USB adapter is duct taped to my desk with a USB extension lead to get better signal ;D

It was £3 on ebay.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 13, 2010, 09:31:11 pm
I Found this funny ad

 
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: the bloddy ghost on August 14, 2010, 08:30:44 pm
My favorite time calling technical support was when I called them up about some probably with my video card, and this lady kept on saying "You need to calm down, sir" over and over again. It was amazing. I wasn't even angry or yelling, I was just trying to ask them a question about it.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Barack Obama on August 14, 2010, 09:02:15 pm
Quote from: DDay on August 13, 2010, 09:31:11 pm
I Found this funny ad

 
idgi
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 14, 2010, 09:15:17 pm
Quote from: DietCoke on August 14, 2010, 09:02:15 pm
idgi

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2977/nvidia-s-geforce-gtx-480-and-gtx-470-6-months-late-was-it-worth-the-wait-/19

and this play the video on top.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/fermi_architecture.html

and then you will get it.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Barack Obama on August 16, 2010, 06:03:55 am
Quote from: DDay on August 14, 2010, 09:15:17 pm
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2977/nvidia-s-geforce-gtx-480-and-gtx-470-6-months-late-was-it-worth-the-wait-/19

and this play the video on top.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/fermi_architecture.html

and then you will get it.
huh, makes sense now I guess.

why the hell would nVidia sell something like that on the consumer market right now? Pretty much every significant aspect of "fermi" is pretty pointless for gamers and it strikes me as something that belongs in some design studio rendering cluster.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 16, 2010, 01:25:44 pm
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 24, 2010, 06:25:06 pm
So Mateui did you get your replacement card?
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 25, 2010, 09:18:34 pm
Quote from: DDay on August 24, 2010, 06:25:06 pm
So Mateui did you get your replacement card?
I was just going to post an update about that! I RMA'd the card and sent it off - Newegg got it 7 days ago (my RMA status changed to received) but nothing new ever since, so looks like they haven't even opened up the package or taken a look at it. Yet again, my experience with Newegg is starting off with frustration. How long do these things typically take? I would have thought that 2-3 business days for them to look at something once it's there is reasonable - 5 business days is not. If they eventually ship it via anything but the fastest possible means I'm going to be even more disappointed with them. This ordeal has taken long enough. I'll laugh if the RMA expires before they even finish completing it (since it'll be expired 3 days from now).
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Barack Obama on August 26, 2010, 01:31:25 am
Quote from: Mateui on August 25, 2010, 09:18:34 pm
I was just going to post an update about that! I RMA'd the card and sent it off - Newegg got it 7 days ago (my RMA status changed to received) but nothing new ever since, so looks like they haven't even opened up the package or taken a look at it. Yet again, my experience with Newegg is starting off with frustration. How long do these things typically take? I would have thought that 2-3 business days for them to look at something once it's there is reasonable - 5 business days is not. If they eventually ship it via anything but the fastest possible means I'm going to be even more disappointed with them. This ordeal has taken long enough. I'll laugh if the RMA expires before they even finish completing it (since it'll be expired 3 days from now).
naw, I've sent back something with an expired RMA and still got my money back
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on August 29, 2010, 01:51:44 am
So I emailed Newegg about my RMA taking so long and this is the email I got back:

Quote
Dear Customer,

Thank you for contacting Newegg.

I do apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. I show your package has been received by our RMA department on 08/19. However, it has been sent to our inspection department to check as the power cable is missing. We have sent an email to you about this issue. I show our agent has made a one time exception to process the RMA for you as courtesy. We will process the RMA as soon as possible and update you via email. Thank you in advance for your understanding.

If you have any further questions or concerns, please visit our FAQs page. If you still need assistance, please feel free to email me directly and I will be happy to assist you.

I'm pretty sure I included every component in the box and there wasn't even a power cable there (only a cable to connect 2 graphics cards to each other), but that's besides the point. I never got an e-mail from them telling me that I was missing something.  :welp: The rest of the email makes it seem like they're going to ignore that and process the RMA anyway, but I don't even know at this point... So weird.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: DDay on August 29, 2010, 07:26:38 pm
Quote from: Mateui on August 29, 2010, 01:51:44 am
So I emailed Newegg about my RMA taking so long and this is the email I got back:

I'm pretty sure I included every component in the box and there wasn't even a power cable there (only a cable to connect 2 graphics cards to each other), but that's besides the point. I never got an e-mail from them telling me that I was missing something.  :welp: The rest of the email makes it seem like they're going to ignore that and process the RMA anyway, but I don't even know at this point... So weird.

Well still you got lucky but why would it come with power cable only the cross fire bridge funny shit lol.

Btw i was looking at the pic and see this split wire thing never seen it before maybe that was it.
Title: Building a new Gaming Desktop Computer
Post by: Mateui on September 04, 2010, 10:45:32 am
Update - finally got the new graphics card yesterday. Installed it and it works like a charm. I turned on Starcraft II and was surprised to see that the settings had jumped up to Ultra. The game looks 1000x times better than before and plays without a hiccup. Definetely impressed so far.