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General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: testaccount on January 02, 2011, 08:35:02 am
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hi.
does anyone still maintain any level of contact with her? or really, has anyone spoken to her at all in the last, i don't know, several years? she disappeared after all that bullshit and i don't know, GUILT perhaps makes me wonder from time to time. basically i'd like to know that she's not dead. so uh, yeah, thanks.
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what was all that bullshit? I remember treesock but I don't remember why she disappeared. was it the picture of her?
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I think she left because Hughes died in FMA. True story.
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what was all that bullshit? I remember treesock but I don't remember why she disappeared. was it the picture of her?
no. it doesn't matter; it was dumb. it's not worth knowing. i was just hoping that someone had had some kind of contact with her since then. she stormed off of irc and that was the last i ever heard of her. in hindsight she had some very apparent issues and i don't like the idea of her just kind of gradually drifting further and further out while everyone mostly forgets about her.
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The last time I talked to her was like 3 years ago. She was on some pokechat irc server or something. I felt guilty too. Why were we so bad back then?
I don't remember much about what we said, but I think she finished high school and wasn't doing anything. I don't want to sound like a dick or anything, but I'm not sure she's capable. She's probably got a hard road ahead of her. As far as I know, this was the last contact any of us had with her.
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umm, it's probably a better idea to just leave this person alone and forget about her while moving on with your life
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Out of curiosity, I did a quick google search and found an urban dictionary page: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Treesock
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She's abusing somebody's comfort level, wherever she is.
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Wow, you guys were mean to treesock? What a bunch of total dicks. She was an absolutely lovely person -_-. This has actually upset me quite a bit you know, the thought that she's been bullied out of the community or whatever, especially as she joined this place even before I fucking did.
You guys suck, but at least a couple of you are showing REMORSE.
EDIT: Oh also, what the fuck do people mean by "She's got a hard road ahead of her" and "she isn't capable" jobwise etc. What the hell gives you that impression? She wasn't retarded -_-. She was actually amazingly eloquent for such a young person.
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is this the girl that pooped her pants because she didn't want to leave the computer?
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I also have no idea what you guys are talking about. I mean I don't remember THAT well, but I didn't see her as retarded at all from what I recall. She was just a huge FMA fan and was devastated when Hughes died....... R.I.P Hughes.
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tossing around retarded
I think it was her frisky, but I don't think it's that big of a deal. with everyone posting on the internet we hear of a lot of people purposely pooping in their trousers.
I wasn't around 2004-2006 but some guys still qutoe the epic trolls and they're really bad. we are extremely fortunate dok is still here and posting.
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umm, it's probably a better idea to just leave this person alone and forget about her while moving on with your life
whatever. i don't want to talk to her at all but i also think it's kind of a dick move to do something cruel and then just kind of forget about it. actually i guess i would like to apologize if the opportunity ever arose but mostly i was hoping someone still had any level of contact with her and could say she hadn't just fallen off the face of the earth. the more i thought about it over the years, the more i felt like she was genuinely troubled and that maybe ostracizing her from the community wasn't the best thing to do, considering.
to clarify, she wasn't intellectually stunted or whatever you guys are getting at at all, that i know of. but i did spend a decent amount of time talking to her and she seemed to have a notsogreat home/school life and, you know, there was the whole hyperemotional attachment to otacon/hughes which kind of transcended normal teenage girl fancies of fictional characters and seemed to me, especially when coupled with the subsequent ceaseless sexual component some of us saw, to indicate legitimate psychological issues. i don't want this to sound presumptuous or come off like i am giving some kind of professional diagnosis, because i could of course be full of shit, but in retrospect it seems obvious that there was something seriously wrong. this is what bothered me, aside from the fact that it was a dumb thing to do to begin with.
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Man, mentioning treesock takes me back to simpler times. Oh GW3...
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Man, mentioning treesock takes me back to simpler times. Oh GW3...
also don't wanna pick a fight but can't delete a post either soooooo guass this is an example for everyone who thinks they can just wantonly post and delete however they willst.
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I actually spoke to her every day over a period of nearly three years. I always found her a person with a really good outlook on things, and a person that just needed a little support and understanding.
I'm a little perturbed that you're talking about her being ostrasized from the community (something I didn't know had happened - jeez, you guys turned into total pricks in my time away eh? And I don't mean that jovially - absolute pricks if it went down how I'm imagining it), and the quote below has gotten me a little irate:
the more i thought about it over the years, the more i felt like she was genuinely troubled and that maybe ostracizing her from the community wasn't the best thing to do, considering.
If it's taken you years to figure this out then you aren't the smartest tool in the box, eh?
So she was a little sexual and troubled and was apparently mocked out of this place?
I know EXACTLY what it is to quit this place due to mockery and idiocy, and coupled with the fact that I considered her a friend, this revelation has really fucking pissed me off.
I know I'm not exactly contributing to this "discussion", but fuck, where else am I going to say this shit?
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well, you can think whatever you like. which is to say, this is all just based on my observations and interaction with her, and what she told me about her life. i expect yours are based on the same. i'd rather you were right than wrong, but that alone doesn't assuage my doubts that you're not.
i don't really know what you're expecting as a response, though. sorry bud. it was malicious and adolescent and i regret being involved, but that's about all i've got; i'm not going to argue or exchange retorts with you. note, however, that the quote seems to have been misinterpreted. thinking about something over the years doesn't necessarily mean it took years to come to any realization. in this case specifically, it doesn't. as for the insult itself, well, okay.
what's peculiar about your reaction to this topic is i actually specifically told you about this almost immediately after it happened on irc and you had much the same response. it's strange that you'd forget this, but perhaps stranger still that you'd be surprised. this wasn't an isolated incident - there was pitchwhite, mdn, fatty, sir, etc. i would say this community has spent a majority of its lifetime as "absolute pricks", as you put it. i agree this is bad but am surprised that your reaction seems to be one of shock mixed with outrage. this is not a critique or a barb so don't respond to it as though it is, but i genuinely thought everyone would be familiar with the long series of PRANKS that so defined the community for a very long time.
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yeah I remember working on an MGS fangame with her and it became increasingly more and more about Otacon
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Out of curiosity, I did a quick google search and found an urban dictionary page: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Treesock
"by IceSage Mar 24, 2003"
anyways, would anyone care to fill me in on what's going on here? i remember the name of "Treesock" but i have absolutely no mental associations with that name. i'd like to know what happened, because this is kinda weird and confusing how people are getting worked up over something i don't even remember, and i feel like i SHOULD remember it. i'm piecing together details here but it'd be nice if someone could write a good explanation
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http://www.spokeo.com/username/search?u=Treesock
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I was at GW around this time, I vaguely know who treesock was, but I was never part of the 'official gw cool crew'tm (we sell hats and tshirts at a hot topic near you!), infact i think it was the same time I was getting mocked by silly people.
Mkk, I think you were in diapers or something when this happened so it's ok to not remember
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im glad youre worried about someone because they stopped posting on internet videogame message boards. maybe theyre...dead? its the only logical reason as to not being around online on the same accounts you were in 2003
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yeah I thought it seemed kind of egocentric but then again I dunno how bad she was net bullied
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what's peculiar about your reaction to this topic is i actually specifically told you about this almost immediately after it happened on irc and you had much the same response. it's strange that you'd forget this, but perhaps stranger still that you'd be surprised. this wasn't an isolated incident - there was pitchwhite, mdn, fatty, sir, etc. i would say this community has spent a majority of its lifetime as "absolute pricks", as you put it. i agree this is bad but am surprised that your reaction seems to be one of shock mixed with outrage. this is not a critique or a barb so don't respond to it as though it is, but i genuinely thought everyone would be familiar with the long series of PRANKS that so defined the community for a very long time.
I don't remember Treesock being forced out of the community at ALL. You spoke to me about it after it happened? I have no idea what your name used to be, which is doing no favours in helping my recollection. I'm pissed, angry and surprised because, in my mind at least, this is the first I've heard of a former friend being victimised in some way and leaving the community because of it.
And, like I said, there's a difference between jokey "ho ho, we're all pricks" and actually being pricks. I'm not claiming to be the authority on what is a prank and what isn't, but there's a huge difference between say Alexander tricking people into eating panties and someone being BULLIED OUT OF THE COMMUNITY, especially someone who people have noted "had some problems". Thus, I fail to see how the fact that the community has done douchey "pranks" in the past as being in any way related to the incident you're talking about. Maybe it's because I don't recollect what happened? Maybe because it doesn't relate? Who knows.
If this incident happened in late 2004 or early 2005 and you told me about it then I can understand why I wouldn't remember it. However, if it happened earlier then I have absolutely NO idea why you'd think you told me, being that I'm sure I would remember something like this.
PS: Look, my "insult" of pricks was not directed at you specifically. If something like this happened and you were a PART of it rather than the puppetmaster or whatever behind it, then I'm in no way singling you out as the asshole here. However, being that I don't know WHAT HAPPENED, it's hard to find someone else to apply my feelings of rage and upset to. Even though you're showing remorse for whatever happened, which is indeed admirable and shows a certain level of maturity, as this is effectively a new event to me it hasn't helped to cushion my feelings about it.
I'd say that I didn't mean to offend you or whatever, but last night when I posted I was full of such anger that I didn't give a shit either way. I just had to express my disgust and fury.
I'd really appreciate if you could PM me exactly what happened. Maybe it'll jog my memory? At the moment I'm raging about perceived things that may or may not have happened, and the events in my mind are probably way more heinous than the actuality. If you could enlighten me, I'd be appreciative.
this wasn't an isolated incident - there was pitchwhite, mdn, fatty, sir, etc.
I have no idea who these people are. Like I remember the name of pitchwhite and fatty, and I remember being in MAKING THE CUT with MasterDarkNinja, but other than that I have absolutely no clue. Treesock was someone I actually cared about, hence why this incident has ired me hugely moreso than whatever happened to those guys. It's personal, I'll absolutely admit, but I'm not going to apply cold logic when it comes to someone I cared about.
yeah I thought it seemed kind of egocentric but then again I dunno how bad she was net bullied
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there's a huge difference between say Alexander tricking people into eating panties and someone being BULLIED OUT OF THE COMMUNITY
I dunno they both sound pretty terrible
just for instance the only other troll I remember was where dok (who never had a girlfriend before or something like that) was tricked into having an e-relationship with someone posing as an underage mkkmypet. I felt really bad for him after hearing about that, especially since everyone was still being kind of mean to him and I unknowingly took part in that. dok's a swell guy. it seems like everyone who participated in the epic lulz really regrets it though
and to give another perspective, your insult (you also said he wasn't the sharpest tool in the box) towards someone who is clearly troubled and remorseful over something he took part in 5 or so years ago does seem unjust, even forced. if that's not something you actually thought, you don't need to exaggerate to express how angry you are. these days we've got the critical reading skills to get it
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I dunno they both sound pretty terrible
dude kpg eating panties was hilarious, nothing more and nothing less
do not compare that to how people treated treesock (which i can't speak on, i can really only assume it was related to her numerous obsessions with anime characters)
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don't know this girl, don't really care. did some googling to help you guys, most recent thing I can find is from 2006
http://treesock.livejournal.com/ (http://treesock.livejournal.com/)
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Whoa, fuck you earlchip. How dare you insinuate my feelings are exaggerated. Troubled and remorseful? Wasn't your "yeah I thought it seemed kind of egocentric but then again I dunno how bad she was net bullied" aimed at his "remorse"? Or was it aimed at my "exaggeration"? You really have some nerve commenting in your sarcastic little shitass way about me expressing myself. Who the fuck are you to accused me of it being forced?
I was pointing out that he wasn't the "sharpest tool in the box" for taking ages to work out that what he did was wrong. It was meant to imply that it was obviously wrong FROM THE START. Forced? Someone who is clearly troubled and remorseful? What an absolute crock of shit.
I love how your comment was totally reasonable until your absolute snarky bullshit in the final paragraph. And I or he is egocentric? You're the one who is using this argument (which we're actually sorting out ourselves thanks) to involve yourself for who the fuck knows what reason. If you'd cut off your post at the end of "unjust" I would have nodded my head and maybe agreed in some way. However, the shit you posted after that was clearly (ONCE AGAIN) aimed at provoking me or riling me. You're the egocentric guy in this scenario. I cannot believe the audacity of you daring to question my fucking feelings on this matter, which has absolutely nothing to do with you, just so you're involved in some way in the argument.
So yeah, thanks for your "perspective", it's really helped matters. Oh, of course, your aim was just to provoke me though right, rather than assuage anyone's feelings on the matter? Good job.
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man if you were really worried about this chick you wouldn't get so flustered over someone else's criticisms...
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man if you were really worried about this chick you wouldn't get so flustered over someone else's criticisms...
1) I'm not "worried" about her, I'm upset for her. There's a huge difference.
2) I'm not flustered, I'm fucking angry. Some random internet jackass is questioning my legitimate anger about something that's happened to someone I used to care about, that I don't remember happening.
You know what Malad? You're a snarky prick too. So you also think you are qualified to judge the validity of my thoughts eh?
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sorry. you have every right to be angry about what happened to treesock, I tried not to say anything that would eclipse that fact. I wasn't talking about you when I said egocentric. and I didn't want to provoke you, I just find it extremely hard to believe you're really getting this infuriated (malad's a target too now??) for no legitimate reason. it was in the past, he admitted his own errors, he's been feeling bad about it for years, he hopes to apologize, he really doesn't need you to insult his intelligence. I posted this because it seemed in your last post you didn't grasp how out of line your comment was and were on the way to reconciling with yourself the righteousness of your fury. that irritated me. but if we're done discussing him I'm not gonna participate in a personal battle with you in this thread, so pm me or post whatever want for all of sw to see and that will be the end of it
ugh new page
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What is all this drama about?
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Done then, as far as I'm concerned. I'd prefer to discuss this with you on IRC or in PM anyway, as you're right - it's more private and doesn't involve provoking either of us in front of other members. If either of has something else to say, at any rate.
What is all this drama about?
It's about me having sex with [insert ][/insert]. Suck on that.
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No, I mean, this is about something from before I entered GW, who is treesocks? What did she do?
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A girl who used to frequent IRC and the forums. There's obviously a difference of opinion concerning what she was like, but what did she do? What, to cause the "drama"? Who knows. I'm just trying to find out exactly what happened, as no prominent member from the period in IRC can tell me as they have NO CLUE she was bullied out. In fact, this has been news to them also, so my quest for INFORMATION is going nowhere.
Except for solidifying the friendship between myself and other forum users anyway!!!!
EDIT: And I'm actually really intrigued by the identify of the original poster, as they've claimed that I knew about the incident as they specifically came to tell me after it went down. So I'm wondering why I don't remember it at all. The second I hear about it I'm probably going to have floods of recollection, but at this current moment I have no fucking idea whatsoever.
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most people here have been cyber bullied faust
yea you're angry about your friend, but really think about where you are
i mean didnt despain get run out of here not even a month or two ago? this place is notorious for people being cruel to each other
not rationalizing anything, i just dont think you're going to make anybody sorry that isnt already
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i mean didnt despain get run out of here not even a month or two ago? this place is notorious for people being cruel to each other
what? no :|
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yeah calling bullshit on that. this has been the nicest community i know
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i mean yeah it used to be really bad for that but uh not recently and definitely not the PAST TWO MONTHS i mean fuck nothing has happened in the past few months really
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This place used to be a complete internet trollfest in the past, but has calmed down a lot since then. I remember reading some of the old prank chatlogs, and thinking about how messed up a couple were, but I think that level of immaturity has gone away. I doubt her leaving has to do with any of the attitudes or practices currently in place here.
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something happened with despain in like 2008, and then it got brought up again several months ago and people could remember that something happened but no one could remember what. he definitely didn't get run out recently, at least not in the forums I read
and anyway these days we've got a lot of people who'd step in if something like that started to happen and not a whole lot of people (maybe none) who'd participate
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jesus. no, not egocentric - just half-serious and a little hyperbolic. more than thinking "oh god she's dead" i was hoping anyone knew if she was okay or happy at all.
with that said, ryan's predictably sarcastic post is still on the dumb side. also, fairly reductive; this community was never primarily about game making, or even video games in general. there were a lot of people for whom gw was a place they came, and stayed, because it offered something they couldn't find elsewhere. there was no shortage of people around in the past who viewed gw as a bastion of identification, or as a sanctuary of sorts. it shouldn't be all that difficult to understand that for kids who couldn't seem to connect with the people around them, at school or wherever else, and were dealing with the loneliness and alienation this comes with, a place like gw, that was welcoming and full of people like them with the same interests or perspectives or whatever, might have seemed like something of a haven. call it just a videogame forum if you want, but recognize that this is you intentionally diminishing what it was for the sake of your boring one-liner. videogame forum or not, it was a community, home to many people who couldn't seem to find one elsewhere, with all the significance that entails.
so no, not actually nailbiting over whether or not she's dead, but in all honesty i wouldn't have been surprised if she was when i made this topic. to reiterate, this isn't about her leaving gw, per se. when i knew her, she was depressed and clearly extremely lonely. and again, had a notgood home/school life. she told me she multiple times she didn't really have any friends or anyone to talk to at all in her life aside from gw people. this is what bothered me. given our conversations, the strange way in which they unfolded, the way she responded to her own problems, and her disquieting, highly emotional attachment to a series of one-dimensional anime characters, it didn't take much hindsight for me to see that she was struggling, and in need of help, professional or otherwise. thinking about all this, and about what it means gw might have meant to her, yes, it does trouble me what we might have inadvertently taken from her when we drove her out. i wouldn't want to take that from anybody, let alone someone like her. there is a lot of value in that. i think sometimes it is the only line keeping people from drifting off. this is why i worried for her.
"yeah calling bullshit on that. this has been the nicest community i know"
yeah, no, he's right. i spent enough time here and enough time in THOSE CIRCLES to know that it's completely true. past a certain point the most recognizable thing about this place was the level of cruelty and cannibalism present. being abrasive and insulting rather than friendly and welcoming was a point of pride, even. its tendency towards insularity and habit of being highly resistant to new blood with new ideas was in part, i think, what led to its decline.
anyway, this is dumb. i didn't want to start an argument or resurface old worthless drama, i just wanted to know if anyone knew what became of her. so far chef seems to be the only one who's spoken to or heard from her in the past 3 years, and that's sort of promising. thanks, i guess.
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I think treesock is a cool name
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yeah, no, he's right. i spent enough time here and enough time in THOSE CIRCLES to know that it's completely true. past a certain point the most recognizable thing about this place was the level of cruelty and cannibalism present. being abrasive and insulting rather than friendly and welcoming was a point of pride, even. its tendency towards insularity and habit of being highly resistant to new blood with new ideas was in part, i think, what led to its decline.
this thread isn't the greatest example but I don't think that's true anymore. I think this place has really changed since around the time activity started to plummet. mongoloid (gulp) mistakes the critical thought we like to apply to everything for meanness, you can see that for yourself a few posts down in this thread (http://www.saltw.net/index.php?topic=81589.0) if you want. it's a pretty rough read though
by egocentric I meant overestimating your effect on her, that she hadn't left and never returned because hanging out with malicious idiots isn't worthwhile or because her interests changed. I remember when I returned someone said they thought they drove me out, but in reality I was just hanging out at a teen titans fan forum and later at gaiaonline with esiann. I had no idea what they were talking about. given the back story though I understand your concern pay that comment no mind
you might have more luck on irc (I have no idea if irc people read the forums) or by contacting specific people. I'm not sure any of those guys post here anymore, I'm surprised sludgelord did he never posts
editand does anyone remember that kind of slowed-down rap from a few years ago? was it called like robitussin rap or something? it might have been sort of similar to salem
edit also I don't think this meanness was at all isolated to gw, loads of internet communities are filled with assholes hence epic lulz, the premise of something awful etc
edit didn't all this start as an emulation of sa anyway
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maybe. i honestly wouldn't know what it was like anymore, but from about the time i joined to about the time i left, it was like that. it was a good chunk of its history. even if it is a somewhat hospitable place now, i know rockman, for example, was around for a good bit of callous nerd-scoffing elevated to an artform. maybe it's a case of selective memory.
note that i don't think this is in any way unique to gw, either. what made it notable, i think, was that there was always this pretense in the community of being idk, a little bit above that sort of thing. as in, better than 4chan, better than sa, having a concept of ethics with respects to interaction with people over the internet. this, however, i don't think was actually the case as members would frequently engage in questionable behavior all the while maintaining some smug yet baseless sense of superiority to other communities. whatever the line was that people were very careful to draw between their own chatlogs and 4chan epic lulz shit, i don't think it actually existed. it was tolerable in other communities because it was expected of them. there was always the perception that gw had a higher standard, yet i don't think we ever actually held ourselves to it for the most part. in hindsight it was disingenuous to feign social awareness or compassion or whatever and still treat people like shit. maybe this has changed; i don't really think it matters anymore.
p.s. teen titans and gaiaonline huh. i see. not judging, just surprised. how is esiann? do you still talk to her? i always liked her a lot.
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there was always the perception that gw had a higher standard, yet i don't think we ever actually held ourselves to it for the most part
yeah, I'd agree with this. I've been trying to dismantle the 'gw golden age' notion for a long time now. for everything good we ever did there was tons of terrible garbage in between. had a lot of cool people though
esiann liked teen titans too. I think it had something to appreciate. and no, I haven't talked to her in a long time, not even online. she went to india for a while, which probably means she decided upon an archeology or anthropology major. not sure if she's back yet. I kinda dislike keeping track of real people online these days so that's all I know. it seems like she's doing really well
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last march esiann said that she is studying abroad in india for a semester. from what she described, i could tell that she was learning a lot. independent, doing fine.
maybe she checks the forums from time to time, maybe she doesn't.
And... i agree with Hundley and earl. Idk this doesn't feel like ENOUGH but that was well-said about this forum, Hundley.
oh and... happy new year guys. happy new year hundley. i forgot to say this.
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that's good. i'm glad she's doing well! i'm glad she's NOT HERE. if you ever talk to her again tell her i said hello and that i think she had a very affable online persona.
also, did hundley post? i'm not hundley, if that's where you were going.
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I found out who TESTACCOUNT was. I thought Hundley first, but it turns out the truth is much darker.
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you mean he's black?
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you mean he's black?
I thought it was headphonics so uh yeah. I hope you stick around and post a little about games and salt headphones. I can understand if you don't want to though.
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Actually "much darker" wasn't meant to be a race reference. That would have been in bad taste.
edit didn't all this start as an emulation of sa anyway
All what, the pranks? GW has always been strongly influenced by SA, going back to the days when Kazeuri was first a staff member. And I've seen us accused of "wanting to be SA" on a number of other community sites in the past heh. I think it was a prevalent form of humour on the internet at the time. Some people can't see the difference between banter, pranks, and "pranks" - the latter being vindictive attacks.
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was going to say something but I forgot
I thought her Otacon obsession was stronger but like I said that's because we were working on game for a while and slowly it turned into some weird Otacon thing
shit completely unrelated but I found an old floppy disk and it has the MIDIs I made for the game. Going to post them somewhere maybe
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http://www.saltw.net/index.php?topic=82118.0
treesock game
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I think it used to be hundley on a shared account or something
All what, the pranks? GW has always been strongly influenced by SA, going back to the days when Kazeuri was first a staff member. And I've seen us accused of "wanting to be SA" on a number of other community sites in the past heh. I think it was a prevalent form of humour on the internet at the time. Some people can't see the difference between banter, pranks, and "pranks" - the latter being vindictive attacks.
like helldump and fashion swat
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i barely remember treesock at all. i think I was eleven years old the last time I saw her on IRC. I don't remember. if she was chased out of the community, then that's really awful. we did do some stupid things in the past.
but also: i like teen titans too and I was on gaia online for a little while. i haven't actually watched the show in a couple years.
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Teen Titans is absurd as it kinda flirted with being a really good comic but then sank into pure tedium. Kinda Like the JLA which was excellent and is now currently one of the worst comics ever published in human history.