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General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: Mince Wobley on February 14, 2011, 03:24:41 pm
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How come there are so many people alone when there are like 7 billion people in this planet?
Are some people just too terrible that they're just incompatible with everyone else? Are they born terrible or do they just become it?
Explain this to me GW
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happy valentines day
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Most of those people are unreachable to the rest of the world - and even if they could, we're all so en cultured and socialized differently that we wouldn't get along anyways.
The main reason is simple: the people generally desired are taken, the ones undesired by those around them aren't.
Seriously, would you wanna date most women? Most are unattractive, dumb and piss you off with their retard conversations that could make you want to put an icepick in your brain. Vice versa goes for most men to women. It makes the selection difficult knowing that unless you yourself have some grand skills or qualities (looks, talent, cash, ideologies, etc.) that there is little reason for somebody to take interest in you - unless they're lonely/unattractive/poor/boring themselves and want somebody to relate to/can't get anybody else.
Happy Valentines Day!
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p.s. i am single and lonely/unattractive/poor/boring myself - so i can relate to this.
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Valentines day on GW: let's talk about being sad and lonely.
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I didn't know it was valentines day.
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i love to be alone because i hate all humans
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I typically prefer being alone for the majority of the week, and find prolonged social interaction (like two nights in a row spent at clubs or with large group of friends) to be mentally taxing. Given that, I have been making distinct efforts to improve my sociability when I am in social situations. There is a lot of good literature out there on improving your interactions and confidence; this is useful whether you're a schmuck or social butterfly.
Sometimes I wonder if isolation is a selfish thing or something everyone is entitled to if they so choose. I feel like 95% of face-to-face banter with friends is largely inconsequential and that one must be alone once in a while to develop strong thoughts. When you're among friends and strangers, there's this complex ego filter on everything you think and say. That's what I'm trying to improve on, to diminish that shield that gets put on in front of other people.
Regardless, I'm moving out of these barracks next month and made the deliberate decision to do so alone. I think it will be a significant and empowering experience to go it alone for once, be sole decision-maker, and engage in projects and activities without wondering what roommates have to say. Ahh, privacy!
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my life is great. sucks to be you guys.
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yeah this is really easy to understand? consider the percentage of people that you really like out of all the people, then the chance that you're in the percentage of people they like. you could probably work this out. go through your facebook friends list, find all the people you would want to talk to/spend more time with, then work out how often they've communicated with you. should give you a rough estimate of where you're at
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roughly 100% loneliness
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lets all overdose on lamactal and sodomise goats. it'll remove the lonlyness
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all the lonely people, where do they all come from? where do they all belong? -Sgt. Pepper
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Guys, you're missing out the joys and excitement of courting.
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i have no problem not being lonely
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i have self-worth out the ass but no self-confidence to assert it, and i also have a big mental block when i know somebody is being overtly insincere, so i'm just a shut-in asshole with a big handful of close friends. i don't try hard to socialize with people who i know aren't being real, so in a social situation i'll tell a good joke and get good, genuine laughs, and then act weird to get a mind fuck. it doesn't prevent me from enjoying myself except for sometimes, but i'm perfectly content sitting in front of a screen for hours on end. neurotypical people are weird anyway
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We are all truly alone.
Especially when we die.
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everybody loves me what are you even talking about...
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youguys to depressing.
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I honest to god try and I don't seem like it at all but when I'm talking to a girl or trying to talk to one. I'll give her the fucking world, pay for everything, show the upmost respect to her as a woman but I won't censor what the fuck is on my mind or what I got to say. And apparently from personal experience most women I've been through don't like that, want me to sugar coat shit and lie to them and make up feelings that I don't fuckin have.
I don't try to talk to girls unless I know that they're interested in me or think that they are but lately I've stopped caring. I stop caring alot because everytime I try to care I get spit in my fucking face by some stupid cunt that apparently wants me to be an asshole and I'm not an asshole I can't be one. I can care about you but if I don't love you then I fucking don't, that shit takes time. And I'm not gonna tell you what to do or try to act to assertive you're a grown fucking woman act like it.
Girls are fucking shallow as a mud puddle and I don't want to fuck with some insecure whore that'll let just about anyone do just about anything they want to them and show no restraint when their in a relationship and fuck around or whatever. I hate that shit. I'm not jealous at all but god damnit if I'm gonna go a thousand miles away to work and your slutty ass can't go a couple weeks without dick.
fuck
also they always want to do shit when they want to. and thats bullshit you don't always call the fucking shots and then when I get the time to take you out you want to shoot me down then later on tell me you wanna hangout fuck off.
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I'm just gonna go to singapore and buy pussy
I know its wrong but fuck if I'm gonna meet anyone at home all those bitches are either married to losers or already dating losers or strungout whores. I might as well pay outright for a strungout whore do my business and get it over with and be aight for awhile.
Nah I shouldn't do that I should just sit at a bar every other night and hope I can fish one fine, slutty, self-conscious, pill-headed, piece of shit in whose probably five times more likely to have a vanarial disease than the working girl in singapore...
Edit: I don't call all women sluts don't get misunderstood either just the miserable fucking excuses for women that I've been in a relationship with or have tried to. I don't call all women bitches either but fuck a guy that acts like an asshole and uses other people is an asshole, the same goes for a women in my book except the word isn't asshole its bitch.
I know some more feminist people are gonna cringe at that but thats the way I feel there is no double standard about it.
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who needs friends when you have a beard. i read poetry to the microbes living in mine so they evolve big and strong. you're all gonna be fucked when my beard defeats gary kasporov at nuclear war.
but for real i used to think valentines day was cute until someone went along with me on a pity date on it. now it makes me feel embarrassed i didn't realise. and bitter i guess. didn't even really think about it this year until this topic. anxiety shit has only gotten worse since then, but i'm still working on making it better. won't be writing any letters with flipbook hearts an shit until that's sorted out though!
edit: wow i fucked up that one sentence the first time i wrote it.
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my ONE AND ONLY is out of town for the month so I've been alone for a bit. I make up for it by going out a lot but it's been getting in the way of my studies and I should really stop. Problem is that I've made a lot of really cool friends really fast over the last few months so my social life is actually becoming a bit of a burden.
Farren maybe you should just move somewhere that's not filled with whitetrash, go to like Portland, OR or something the whole workin' class dude thing goes over pretty well there.
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rampant misogynism itt
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I'm 100% loner.
Maybe its the flaws I have with in myself that hold me back the most. I had my shots but my self worth wasn't there. I put myself down and they take it the wrong way like they think I thought I was better then them but it's just the opposite. It the feeling that I could not make her happy that drives me away it's my own mind set that destroys me.
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well only a couple people belross, not like going to any class on any day at any college with males present
Farren maybe you should just move somewhere that's not filled with whitetrash, go to like Portland, OR or something the whole workin' class dude thing goes over pretty well there.
portland has a lot of things going for it but I feel like it'd have to be full of the fartsniffer crowd, people there probably wear sustainability models on tshirts
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I'm really thinking about it.
I talked with some older guys I work with yesterday and they told me the exact same thing, that I should get away if I can if even for short time. I think I'm going to do it. I really don't want to leave my family because I think they need me right now, my moms alone because her and my dad got a divorce recently and I just moved back in to help her pay the mortgage and to put more money down on my car. My little brother is in the middle of highschool and he needs an older role model to help him out because my dad sure as fuck isn't doing it and my middle brother though he tries doesn't have the time for it. I'm paying him right now 20$ a week to take care of my ride when I'm gone so he can afford to put gas in his truck which eats it up like a motherfucker. I promised both of my brothers if they couldn't afford to go to school I'll get them a job with me and show them everything I know so they can make a living out of it and I think after that I'm going to move around for a bit.
Until then I'm going to keep traveling, I want to go to seattle again soon. I already leave and fly out to seattle and stuff to visit my buds over there and I go to louisianna to visit guys I work with and my uncle over there. I really like the new orleans area. I'll be getting more time off with the kind of rotation we have now and I'll be making more money so I'll be more than capable of doing it. Me and my bud planned on going to seattle and then driving up to canada from there and maybe going to toronto I think. After that we're gonna do the same thing down south and visit some work friends I got in Mexico if I can get their fucking numbers I lost them but I still wanna go to mexico regardless. Bunch of the same peeps are gonna all get together and go to vegas in march or april and I'm gonna try to make that if I can.
After that I think I'll just pick a country I want to see and stay a few days there as soon as I get off and just lay low when I'm in town. I'm tired of this place, I fucking hate this place. The sherrif's dept hate my goddamn family for some reason. Both my rentacar I had when my car got hit (fault on the other driver she ran into me at a road construction stop) and my actual car are hot over some bullshit in both cases. And I swear on my own fucking life that both of those incidents were fucked up. They marked my car as hot the day I got it when I let my cousin drive it without a license (I technically didn't know but owned up to it like an idiot) and now everytime I get pulled over (very seldomly thank god) it comes up as drug related or something so the deputies immediately think I'm a drug dealer. That one is a long story but after my cousin got pulled over he ran and they searched his house for him even though they knew damn well he wasn't there. He lived with my brother and they were both growing some hydroponic plant which the cops found because they tore the fucking house apart when my grandpa let them in to search for my cousin (he's a miserable piece of shit and wouldn't turn himself in knowing this) and my brother unwillingly took the fall for all of it at 19 years old.
And after I got locked up just a few weeks ago which happened because I was smoking out of a pipe inside of a closed house (my bros gfs place). There were some neighbors fighting next door arguing and some crazy bitch was trying to hit her husband with her car in the yard right next door and we were standing on the porch watching. SUPPOSEDLY some dumb motherfucker called the sherrif's dept and told them that it was our house and us. I think that was a flat out lie on the deputies part because all of the surrounding neighbors know that couple by name and address and call the cops on them all the time I'm pretty sure. I know for a fact the same deputies are called there repeatedly because they knew the woman by name and admitted that. They beat on my bros gfs door and saw me smoking through the window I guess. I didn't even know it was the cops and walked in the back to get my brother because I don't live there and I'm not answering the door to a place I don't live in but they claimed that I made eye contact with them, another lie. We weren't gonna open the door when we figured out it was the cops because we knew exactly what was gonna happen next but my brother went and opened it because he knew they knew he lived there and he didn't want them to violate him on his probation. They said they didn't originally care about the weed they only arrested me for the fact that we hesitated in opening the door (another fucking lie). Didn't want them to search the house and violate my brother because he had clothes there so I handed them the weed and told them I was soley responsible and went to jail.
I swear to fucking god though I will never open my door for another police officer for the rest of my life I don't care if they're getting fucking stabbed to death those bastards will get no sympathy and everytime I read in the paper that one of them is getting shot by some disgruntled crazy motherfucker I'm gonna pump my fist and do a little dance I don't care if anyone thinks thats wrong or not. Oh and my rentacar got hot because one of those dickheads went out in the yard and wrote down the license number and everything and did the deed right there out of spite. My fucking car was parked... Bit of interesting information the couple didn't get shit and never spoke to a single officer because it made their fucking night when they got me, my sixteen year old brother, and my 21 year old brother in handcuffs and took my ass in over a fucking misunderstanding and a violation of my right to fucking privacy.
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damn I didn't realize that post was that long.
well if anyone actually feels like reading it, its pretty interesting. Never underestimate what could happen in the span of a few seconds, shit can all come down on you and escalate from pretty much nothing or innocent generocity to complete shit so fucking fast. you can lose your freedom on a dime over nothing or even your life I guess if worse came to worse. I learned that lesson while sitting in my cell for a couple hours freezing my ass off and hating the place I was born in and the people that are supposed to protect me.
rampant misogynism itt
If this is a shot at what I was sayingm I'm trying to make it clear that this is only an observation on the kind of people I have dated or tried to date or know personally. Not a broad generalization. I don't ever call a woman a bitch or a cunt or whatever unless she's shown me she's a terrible fucking person with no regard for anyone else but herself. When that happens all bets are off and you're damn right I'm gonna call that kind of person a cunt just like I'd call that kind of man a fucking dick. Its a word, I'm not going to censor the female counterpart of it because it makes some people uncomfortable. I'm a grown man and I use cusswords, if I was going to stop using those particular words I would censor everything I said because it would not be right and that would make me a fucking hypocrite.
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I feel bad reading topics like these. If I lived in the US I would meet all you lonely dudes and be your friend. :-(
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAyKJAtDNCw
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Was the purpose of this topic to be romantic loneliness or just being alone in general?
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More a) than b) but that's ok too
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I wish I had somebody to talk to.
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I'm basically only nice to little old ladies everyone else is fair game
but yeah I get worried x person is like christian/republican/ron paul supporter and just live in constant fear of blowing someone's mind. I had random encounter (screen pixelates) with some old people who were watching deer or something (we have some woods nature area nearby that can't get developed because it has landmines or something probably not this but this is the legend and too lazy to research it) and I had on some ragnarmusics on headphones and it accidentally unmuted and I don't know what they thought. Really you guys are the coolest people in my life I am worried if I ever met you guys it would expose some horrible flaw like you like to set fire to cats or something. Also I'm starting to think autistic people had it right let's just choose a neutral thing to be obsessed about like ELEVATORS because all the other topics politics religion sports music etc. are such loaded subjects although we'd probably find a way to get all worked up about it like 'what do you mean you don't like Otis elevators *starts a soccer riot*' also I'm thinking of online dating just to put up the most pisstaking profile of all time and will try to dismantle the entire dating system from the inside/at least alienate everyone I wouldn't like anyway
Edit: is there a name for like not worried about people reading your thoughts but worried you'll just make random people shrivel up if you act halfway natural. Like maybe it's just where I live but I get worried old people's perception of young people is at some critical mass. I'd hate to be old during this particular time period like if you haven't read up on any subject like sensationalism in the news you'd basically be fucked/think crime is increasing 7x every year/2012
Edit: there was this specific lady who I gave directions to and it was pretty intense like she made some remark about nobody stops to help anyone anymore and I'm pretty sure she NEEDED that moment just then or whatever she would've gone home and microwaved her dog
Edit: I said this already but I think internet will cause some major paradigm shift over time like nobody will watch the same shows anymore hey did you catch King of the Hill last night it will be like 'hey did you see funny dog video on youtube' and nobody else saw it and nobody will have anything to talk about riots etc. everywhere. Mostly joking but I hope it has a positive effect, I've probably just accepted a bunch of trash movies a few years ago because they were the most exciting/interesting thing to come down the conveyor belt in a while. Like SIN CITY by Frank Miller DDay makes it big as a comic-book artist. I am interested in this do you guys think tastes mean more/less now that we have internet and can find out about like everything that has ever existed ever
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Yeah Ragnar I know what you mean about old people. My friend and I were at mcdonalds...a year ago maybe??? Anyway there was an older couple going in behind us so we held the doors open for them (it was a double set of doors so I got one and my friend got the other) and the older couple was just SO TAKEN ABACK BY THIS that they thanked us a few too many times and the man even gave us his business cards (which turned out to be for his church) just because they were so amazed that we were being so polite.
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Yeah Ragnar I know what you mean about old people. My friend and I were at mcdonalds...a year ago maybe??? Anyway there was an older couple going in behind us so we held the doors open for them (it was a double set of doors so I got one and my friend got the other) and the older couple was just SO TAKEN ABACK BY THIS that they thanked us a few too many times and the man even gave us his business cards (which turned out to be for his church) just because they were so amazed that we were being so polite.
was it like such a mindfuck though they thought it was the opposite (they're going to set our butts on fire look out)
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Maybe that's why they gave us the church cards because they knew we were secretly hoodlums.
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I always do that chivalrous stuff for old people, and it's appalling when they act so damned surprised. Appalling, as in, no one else out there is doing this on a regular basis. I'm not extremely traditional by any means, but extending kindness to old people has always been an easy and logical thing, but I imagine most kids today are walking around either completely oblivious or perpetually texting.
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I have lots of nutso experiences with the elderly I need to tell you guys sometime
sorry if it seems like I'm making a point of writing 'the elderly' it's just an awful professor at my school maliciously made fun of me by insinuating I was age-insensitive so now I always say it properly (I didn't say old people btw I just said my design would be giving the elderly population an outdoor activity which was correct because they didn't have anything to do in the area but it could sound bad out of context which is how it was construed))
If this is a shot at what I was sayingm I'm trying to make it clear that this is only an observation on the kind of people I have dated or tried to date or know personally. Not a broad generalization. I don't ever call a black fella a nigger or a spook or whatever unless he's shown me he's a terrible fucking person with no regard for anyone else but himself. When that happens all bets are off and you're damn right I'm gonna call that kind of person a nigger just like they'd call me a fucking cracker. Its a word, I'm not going to censor the "ethnic" counterpart of it because it makes some people uncomfortable. I'm a grown man and I use cusswords, if I was going to stop using those particular words I would censor everything I said because it would not be right and that would make me a fucking hypocrite.
I'm not gonna argue about it but yeah, that excuse is pretty old and it doesn't hold up. it's not really an "adult" thing to say either btw
edit: the misogyny wasn't just in the words you chose
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suggests making some awesome RPG by simply dramatizing the mindmap/worldview of old/elderly people that they construe from TV. Like Dr. Phil/Dr. Oz alone would be at least a trilogy's worth of material
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suggests making some awesome RPG by simply dramatizing the mindmap of old/elderly people that they construe from TV
All I gotta say is read the Mary Worth comic strips from a week or two ago to today, she is embarking on a journey to learn what twitter is.
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All I gotta say is read the Mary Worth comic strips from a week or two ago to today, she is embarking on a journey to learn what twitter is.
I'm pretty sure I know what it is it's just so unremarkable to me that I assume there is something incredible about it I'm missing because TV makes it sound like the second coming of The Beatles/Christ. I am starting to be like magical internet though I think I mentioned I'm waiting for someone to unearth a youtube/deviantart/etc. account that is just full of this incredible movies/music/art that is so heartrendingly devastatingly bizarre and beautiful and the author is completely unaware of it THE SADDEST MUSIC IN THE WORLD http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0366996/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0366996/) I'm pretty sure this is the 21st century version of something like noble savage whatever
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(http://secxtanx.com/dump/MaryWorthTwitter.gif)
she is overwhelmed just imagining it...
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this would be the best genre ever we should invent an OLD PEOPLE FUTURISM or something that mysterious Twitter/Facebooks
is the guy in the green shirt like locking the door behind her hehehe
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He's had that creepy look on his face in every panel since he closed that door.
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like jack chick comics except twitter, facebook and the internet replace D&D, catholicism and hell
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could somebody direct me to internet forum topic on this (asking real old people what their imagination has made out Twitter Myspace Facebook to be and their perceptions of it are amazing/terrifying/revelatory in some way)
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i have self-worth out the ass but no self-confidence to assert it, and i also have a big mental block when i know somebody is being overtly insincere, so i'm just a shut-in asshole with a big handful of close friends. i don't try hard to socialize with people who i know aren't being real, so in a social situation i'll tell a good joke and get good, genuine laughs, and then act weird to get a mind fuck. it doesn't prevent me from enjoying myself except for sometimes, but i'm perfectly content sitting in front of a screen for hours on end. neurotypical people are weird anyway
did you just say you act like you're weird because you hate it when people are fake?
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nobody likes me and I smell funny
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being alone is A+++ because you can finally blow your fucking brains out without having to worry about if it's inconvenient to anybody you are attached to
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I'd rather quietly contemplate the philosophical and metaphysical ramifications of just what being "alone" actually means, far more than talking to someone I've just met in a room full of people. The thing is, I'm only truly comfortable in social situations where it is established that everyone around me is okay with the idea of me choosing not to say anything at all for the entire time. I may utilize that choice for an entire night, or discard it entirely at whim, but it has to be entirely certain that nobody would call me out on my discretion as to whether not I have anything to say.
In short, it's not that I don't like being around people. I just don't like talking in general. Asking for idle chat out of me will always be asking too much. I can understand why it's always awkward trying to get that point across, but I'm 100% solid with anyone once they know enough about me to understand that much.
It makes being alone more comfortable and intuitive state for me for sure, but I personally believe that any true loner can become alone in any situation, even when surrounded by other people. If anyone attempts to deny me that much personal freedom, I can't help but automatically think of them as a bit of an asshole for doing it.
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Tl:dr
People might encourage you to socialize and mingle, and some might question your judgment, but no true man will force you to cling to others against your will, unless it's a matter of life and death. . . in the end, the choice is yours to make. Anyone who doesn't recognize that is beneath contempt.
Everyone has their time to be by themselves and with others, and different levels of interaction.
As for relationships, I'm starting to understand what they mean when they say you've got to believe in yourself first before you entangle yourself with someone else. Feeling more sure of myself now, I can understand the warning to those who think that a relationship alone can fill the emptiness they feel inside or replace the love they must show themselves.
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im just sayin, farren, dude, i know plenty of awesome girls who are the total antithesis of the ones you described. you just live somewhere shitty or run in shitty social circles.
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when i made my post in this topic i didn't realize this was going to turn into a depressing woe is me sort of deal
i should clarify i am very happy! i was just pointing out why people are in fact single a lot of the time
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being alone is A+++ because you can finally blow your fucking brains out without having to worry about if it's inconvenient to anybody you are attached to
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THE WORLD DOESN'T EXIST
YOU'RE ALWAYS ALONE
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Yeah dude I know there are for a fact because I know quite a few I just haven't gotten the fortune of ringing me one. I didn't mean for that post to look like a mad generalization because I hate that shit myself.
I'm just bitter as fuck because I've fallen into one vagina rigged beartrap after another. Just a good thing I'm light footed and dance through them for' they can take my fucking legs.
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did you just say you act like you're weird because you hate it when people are fake?
act, no, i am a weirdo creep fucker, no acting necessary. i can't help it much of the time because of the way my parents raised me, but that's a whole other bucket o laffs. it's always necessary to lie sometimes, but when it's painfully obvious (and simply easier to tell the truth), i can't help but express my elitist, dick distaste
also I'm thinking of online dating just to put up the most pisstaking profile of all time and will try to dismantle the entire dating system from the inside/at least alienate everyone I wouldn't like anyway
y'know, i did exactly this and i recommend it
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act, no, i am a weirdo creep fucker, no acting necessary. i can't help it much of the time because of the way my parents raised me, but that's a whole other bucket o laffs. it's always necessary to lie sometimes, but when it's painfully obvious (and simply easier to tell the truth), i can't help but express my elitist, dick distaste
i dont get it, if you're so self-aware then why don't you just consciously make an effort to change your behavior? If you can identify yourself as a weirdo creeper, think of ways to act that would change that.
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i dont get it, if you're so self-aware then why don't you just consciously make an effort to change your behavior? If you can identify yourself as a weirdo creeper, think of ways to act that would change that.
Man, changing people's natures can be a really complicated thing. Plus I think you can get addicted to your own personality. This is pretty sound advice though, you should always make an attempt to change shit about yourself that you don't like.
I'm just bitter as fuck because I've fallen into one vagina rigged beartrap after another. Just a good thing I'm light footed and dance through them for' they can take my fucking legs.
Man, with poetic eloquence like that I'm really amazed that you have lady troubles! Especially with the beautiful metaphor for women!
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Yeah because I really think all women are tools and I really go around tearing them down as artistically as I can. I'm actually very respectful, I'd never use a derogatory term for a girl I respect. But like I said when someone treats me like I'm a thing or like I'm incredibly stupid I get kind of pissed off about it.
My vocabulary is different than most peoples and my intention in using words like "bitch" or "cunt" isn't directed as a generic slur for all of the ladies but the ones that don't show me the same respect I gave them. That might be wrong, some people prolly consider it to be wrong right off of the bat and I realize and respect that opinion. Its really not that hard to grasp man, I did not grow up in the same environment and do not think the same way you do. I'm not using that as an excuse for my actions but to explain my own reasoning, which I admit is probably different than your own.
Sometimes I don't like that I do this because other people don't understand or misinterperet my intentions and I should probably refrain from doing it. But like I said earlier if I were to change the way I use those words toward terrible women then I'd have to change the way I speak about terrible men. Or should I just skip the femenine term and call women that I consider to be weak or bad people assholes too? I can only tell you that I try very carefully to not be a mysogonist but if you think I'm one then fuck it I'll wear that title because I'm flattered you think so highly of me.
Also I'm actually not as bitter as I seem, I'm in a pretty good way right now. I get my bouts of anger or depression like everyone else though. And the lifestyle I live is pretty hard to meet or get into a real relationship. It just pisses me off when I meet someone I respect and like and they treat me like I'm nothing and shit on me. I'm over it though, don't wanna think about it anymore. I don't know why I even bother explaining myself. People are gonna make the assumptions they want and I know I can't change this. Someone told me I do that too much and it makes alot of sense. I guess I do it because I feel if I don't explain my intentions and whats going through my head then people will make assumptions about me which might be off. Its not like I care what anyone thinks about me I just don't want them to be wrong.
Like, if you think I'm an asshole then fine. But think I'm an asshole for the things I'm consciously being an asshole for. Not because of a miscommunication or misunderstanding of my reasoning. Man I so shouldn't care, if I was at home and was smokin' my bud I just would not give a fuck at all and I'd move on but I CANT TURN MY GODDAMN BRAIN OFF OUT HERE....
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I think faust probably knows about the misogynistic subculture here that talks like that and freely uses those terms, but being brought up in that kind of situation doesn't excuse anything. you're a thinking guy, you should eventually realize you've got some pretty shitty thoughts about women (ya do) and that the language you're using isn't anything worth holding on to
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I guess so dude, I speak plainly. I curse alot. I like that about myself.
I feel like you can determine how easy going and judgemental someone is based on whether or not they can look past that and still speak to you like an equal. I could speak more eloquently and intelligently if I wanted to but if I did that I feel like I'd alienate alot of people and I don't like that. I can be the smartest son of a bitch in a room and come off like a complete idiot to everyone else in it except for the people worth talking to and really respecting for their own understanding and character.
I don't use racial slurs and I don't use slurs against homosexuals, I feel thats out of their control and wrong. But I also feel like people are based on two genders and though thats also out of their control its not necessarily something they can be singled out for in this day and age. So I feel like, to be fair. I'll use the feminine and masculine insults for both genders if I don't like them. That might be backassed, wrong, or odd but thats how I feel about it. I might decide to change that at some point in the future but right now I don't see any reason to.
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I feel like you can determine how easy going and judgemental someone is based on whether or not they can look past that and still speak to you like an equal.
no one's talking about swearing in general, stop throwing in red herrings. and by that reasoning do you also "look past it" when people constantly use faggot or nigger or whatever? oh apparently not:
I don't use racial slurs and I don't use slurs against homosexuals, I feel thats out of their control and wrong.
ahaha what. come on man, you've got to realize how damn stupid this sounds. you're a good person if race and sexual preference are off-limits, but gender is always fair game! the only thing this goes to show is how ingrained misogyny is into your society, that a woman is the only kind of person it's okay to view as your a lesser and insult for being born. btw it's great that you don't think women are SINGLED OUT anymore (even though all you've been doing all thread is single them out with "insights" into their behavior (much like Ron Pual's observations on the fleet-footed nature of the American negro)). that's not the case at all, though I'm not gonna sit here and explain to you each and every way women are degraded and marginalized in society and I shouldn't even have to because even if women and men were always equals it wouldn't make anything you're saying any better
and again it's not just how you're speaking/the language you're using even though you keep insisting that's where the argument is
ugh I hate to use the RACE comparison but I feel like it's the only way you're gonna get it:
I'm not racist, I'm actually very respectful to blacks or "African-Americans" as you P.C. fucks insist in calling them. My vocabulary is different than most peoples and my intention in using words like "nigger" or "spook" isn't directed as a generic slur for blacks, but the ones that don't show me the same respect I gave them. That might be wrong, some people prolly consider it to be wrong right off of the bat and I realize and respect that opinion. Its really not that hard to grasp man, I did not grow up in the same environment and do not think the same way you do. I'm not using that as an excuse for my actions but to explain my own reasoning, which I admit is probably different than your own.
Like I said, I'd never use a derogatory term for black man I respect. I don't ever call blacks niggers or spooks or whatever unless they've shown me they're terrible fucking people with no regard for anyone else but themselves. When that happens all bets are off and you're damn right I'm gonna call that kind of person a nigger. Its a word, I'm not going to censor the "ethnic" counterpart of it because it makes some people uncomfortable. I'm a grown man and I use cusswords, if I was going to stop using those particular words I would censor everything I said because it would not be right and that would make me a fucking hypocrite.
now there's no way this man is a racist
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I am not uptight about language really at all but in this:
I don't ever call a black fella a nigger or a spook or whatever unless he's shown me he's a terrible fucking person with no regard for anyone else but himself. When that happens all bets are off and you're damn right I'm gonna call that kind of person a nigger just like they'd call me a fucking cracker.
You basically said "I don't call EVERY black a nigger, just the niggers" and that's p. indefensible.
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oh sorry that was a quote I edited to prove a point, but just switch it to gender slurs and you got the original
so many awful comedians actually do use that line tho
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It's pretty amazing that it took just one relatively benign comment from Faust to set Farren off on a lengthy rant defending his right to use gender slurs. Something tells me this isn't the first time this issue has come up.
I really don't think you're a bad guy. On the contrary. But you have to recognize what's being said here. It's not about using swear words, it's about specifically choosing those that have an unfair implication. By using words that very specifically target women, you're implying that this biological attribute that no one has any control over is somehow, at least in part, responsible. Even if you don't really think or mean it. I'm pretty sure you don't think women are inferior beings, but this isn't really about what you think so much as it is about the impact of your words.
You can't just cancel that out by also using swear words that specifically target men.
I don't use racial slurs and I don't use slurs against homosexuals, I feel thats out of their control and wrong.
So is gender. You can apply this logic directly to everything that people don't control. All those things should be off-limits because they simply aren't relevant, no matter in what way people wrong you.
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that's some pretty retarded William's syndrome thinking there Dada
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you just wanted to drop that syndrome's name didn't you. at least i hope so
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i'm a growed man
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that's some pretty retarded William's syndrome thinking there Dada
No it's only funny when done in a playful, meta ironic sense.
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btw it's great that you don't think women are SINGLED OUT anymore (even though all you've been doing all thread is single them out with "insights" into their behavior (much like Ron Pual's observations on the fleet-footed nature of the American negro)). that's not the case at all, though I'm not gonna sit here and explain to you each and every way women are degraded and marginalized in society and I shouldn't even have to because even if women and men were always equals it wouldn't make anything you're saying any better
hrmmm
I get what you're saying but the reason I even started talking about women in this thread is because of what the topic is about. I'm talking about why I don't have good relationships with women, why I'm usually alone. so I'd be specifically talking about the women I've had relationships with and why they didn't work. Like I said four fucking times already I don't necessarily think that of every woman or women in general.
I know society degrades women and I've read and been in discussions on here many many times where people talk about that and I believe its true. But thats not going to stop me from using a word? I don't think the word is singularly degrading to all women like a racial slur or slur for sexual preference. I believe it is just a femanine alternative.
But I also feel like people are based on two genders and though thats also out of their control its not necessarily something they can be singled out for in this day and age. So I feel like, to be fair. I'll use the feminine and masculine insults for both genders if I don't like them.
this does sound flimsy but its kind of what I personally believe. Maybe you're right about me being surrounded by misogyny. Like I said I know women are treated unequally in the workplace or in some societal circles but I won't treat a woman unequally. I was raised to treat a girl just like a boy. I say to a girl everything I'd say to a boy. Same respect, same feelings, same speech. But I dunno it just doesn't sound right to call a woman a prick or asshole. I don't judge a woman because she's a woman, I don't think lesser of a person because shes a woman. I make all of my decisions based on action. But if you think that I'm misogynist then I can't really change that.
I understand what dada is saying though
So is gender. You can apply this logic directly to everything that people don't control. All those things should be off-limits because they simply aren't relevant, no matter in what way people wrong you.
I understand this, I honestly do. I just feel its unfair to insult a woman with a word that is more masculine. I don't know why I do this it just does not sound right. The word "bitch" fits. I honestly just really like the sound of that word and I call men bitches all the time I'm not trying to compare them to a woman or a female dog even but just insult or tease them. I don't even care if the word means anything at all I've just grown a liking to the way it sounds and its a word I can't let go of...
To me words are words and its all about your intent in using them even if when you're using them it might not be grammatically correct. I'm not concerned about what other people think when I say what I say. I don't care, now if I came to change the way I personally feel about it then fine, thats my choice. But fuck what another person thinks about what I'm saying if they're too stuck up to ask or too ignorant to think about it, its their problem not mine.
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no. Effective communication is when you and the people you are talking to has the exact or at least nearly the same connotation of the wors used, so I think what people think matters if you are talking to them, if your reasoning behind the use of words is the same as the girl/guy you are talking to then fine, but you have to be extra sensitive if you don't know the person that much especially when using strong words.
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Maybe you should just stick to bitch, SOB, and bastard for now, Farren.
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Dietcoke once made a post about subjective vs objective racism which you should read lemme find it.
edit http://www.saltw.net/index.php?topic=79422.msg1599540#msg1599540 read the quoted part too
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That's a great thread dada, plus if you read down a couple of points you see that Farren draws a distinction between white people and 'spaniards'! Not even like Central American Latinos, but like hardcore European Spaniards.
Good times.
(PS: Farren I'm not like calling you dumb at all, just pointing out the humour in your defence of white people doing heinous shit by saying like the SPANIARDS did it first, discounting that they were white also! It's humorous hermano!)
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I try and make it a point to never use the word "gay" in a context that is offensive to actual homosexuals. But if I do I notice a homosexual in the room that really is a terrible person that only thinks about himself, I will make it a point to loudly call things "gay" in front of him when I actually mean "dumb" or "retarded" because it's like no holds barred then. I actually want him to notice it and call me out on it, so I can use that chance to call him a fag to his face. I don't hate gays, but fuck that guy. (not literally of course)
So yeah, I don't really like where the discussion is headed. I'm rather proud of being a loner myself, but anyone casually reading this topic is going to assume that most people are alone because they are racist, generally insensitive assholes. Hell, if I have to put a reason behind it, it'd be because I'm too sensitive if anything.
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So yeah, I don't really like where the discussion is headed. I'm rather proud of being a loner myself, but anyone casually reading this topic is going to assume that most people are alone because they are racist, generally insensitive assholes. Hell, if I have to put a reason behind it, it'd be because I'm too sensitive if anything.
why are you proud of this (discuss)
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I don't get why you'd provoke him based on his minority status rather than about him being a prick or whatever. If it's about him being annoyingly camp then that annoys me also, but it's no reason to act really prejudicially towards him. Your posts are sometimes pretty spot on EDC, but the idea of you wanting to be able to call him a fag is a little offensive, especially as there's any number of other words for asshole you could use that don't reference insulting him for something he can't help.
Also why are you baiting like a HONEY TRAP instead of just out and out calling him a fag to his face? I mean if you're provoking him in the first place everyone is going to think you're the asshole in the situation anyway, so why the set up to ensnare him?
I like the word "prick" personally. I've had a few students call me it in the past, man does that word get the point across.
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Yeah, I was trying to be ironic, but I reckon the discussion didn't carry over.
I'm glad you saw the point I was trying to make though. I mean if there was someone I felt deserved it, then I couldn't help but want to offend him if only to prove that I knew how. I would think he'd feel more normal for being made fun of things he can't help. I thought people did that to each other all the time, even to people who aren't gay because people in general are real assholes.
I'm not saying I actually would. I'm much more meek in real life situations than I am in hypothetical ones.
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You can't help human reflexes sometimes. When I was really drunk and 19 years old I actually did use the N-word to refer to a black guy. A friend and I had been called over by this couple who had another friend with them (this black dude). They were like in their late thirties or early forties, and the conversation turned to the fact that we were gay. The couple shook our hands and said some pretty nice things, but the black guy got pretty aggressive about it, told us to fuck off and that he didn't shake hands with queers.
The couple apologised and said not to worry, their friend was a Neanderthal, so my friend and I walked off. When we left, I said "That fucking N-word, how dare he", really incensed by the idea that, as a minority myself I was open to other minorities, yet he'd been prejudiced about me. I also kind of felt at the time that being a white gay guy was somehow higher up in society than being a black dude, so he had no call to be prejudiced towards me if I was being friendly towards him. The friend I was with chose to argue with me as we walked back, explaining why, even though I was insanely insulted and filled with rage, it was still not ok to sink to his level and call the black guy that word. Otherwise where was I getting off with my moral high ground? Why was I suddenly deciding to act like an ignorant racist based on one interaction with a black dude who was a prick himself?
I actually reflected a lot on that after it happened, and even though I was pretty drunk and had all the excuses in the world, my friend will always have a memory of me flipping out and saying the N-word to refer to black guys, so they'll effectively always have a memory of me being an ignorant racist. Pretty sucky situation overall.
It would have been far better to just call him a prick or asshole rather than bringing his specific minority-type into the equation, because the way it worked out we BOTH ended up as total pricks.
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That's a great thread dada, plus if you read down a couple of points you see that Farren draws a distinction between white people and 'spaniards'! Not even like Central American Latinos, but like hardcore European Spaniards.
Good times.
(PS: Farren I'm not like calling you dumb at all, just pointing out the humour in your defence of white people doing heinous shit by saying like the SPANIARDS did it first, discounting that they were white also! It's humorous hermano!)
yeah I remember that. I think the reason I tried to make that connotation is because I assumed that because the spaniards conquored alot of south america (I'm pretty sure, maybe wrong?) that modern south americans being their descendants meant they weren't white. I've never been to spain and don't know a whole lot of spanish history so I just assumed that spaniards weren't considered white. I think I had this idea that spaniards looked like darker italians or something and I thought that a full blooded spanish person wasn't considered to be white.
I wasn't trying to really defend white people. Just trying to make a point that white people do terrible shit they do because they've got the power to do so. If another race held a majority in the world and alot of power over the total populace they'd do terrible shit just the same. I need to take more world history if I ever go to college because I'm pretty ignorant to alot of it and only know bits and pieces here and there.
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yeah I remember that. I think the reason I tried to make that connotation is because I assumed that because the spaniards conquored alot of south america (I'm pretty sure, maybe wrong?) that modern south americans being their descendants meant they weren't white. I've never been to spain and don't know a whole lot of spanish history so I just assumed that spaniards weren't considered white. I think I had this idea that spainiards looked like darker italians or something and I thought that a full blooded spanish person wasn't considered to be white.
Haha I once asked Paolo which of these groups has never successfully invaded the area of Britain: A) Romans, B) Saxons, C) Spanish, D) Vikings, and he said C hahaha. I rib him about that even now.
"WHAT YOU THINK THE SPANISH SUCCESSFULLY INVADED HAHAHAHAHA".
It's weird that a lot of otherwise intelligent people totally overlook the need for historical study. Like it's so important even if you want to discuss issues and shit. I blame schools for not FORCING kids to do history constantly, damn it. Full stops, rounders, and History - wait until I'm education secretary...
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I FEEL AS A STRAIGHT WHITE BLONDE HAIRED BLUE EYED MALE I MUST FIND A WAY TO HANDICAP MYSELF SO I DONT HAVE TO HEAR ANYONES BULLSHIT WHEN I SAY SOMETHING OFFENSIVE
YEah well, you're gay and you don't like when I say the word gay? Well I got one ball bud! HOW DOES IT FEEL!?!?! HOW DOES IT FEEL TO HAVE A FULL PAIR!?!?! YOU INCENSITIVE MOTHERFUCKER
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JOIN THE CLUB MOTHER FUCKER
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That's a great thread dada, plus if you read down a couple of points you see that Farren draws a distinction between white people and 'spaniards'! Not even like Central American Latinos, but like hardcore European Spaniards.
Good times.
(PS: Farren I'm not like calling you dumb at all, just pointing out the humour in your defence of white people doing heinous shit by saying like the SPANIARDS did it first, discounting that they were white also! It's humorous hermano!)
spaniards, like the italians, are not white faust. don't dirty the great white race's pristine, fair-skinned, waters with those subhuman mud-people.
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