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Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Swordfish on March 30, 2011, 04:25:15 pm
I'm a transperson, a transwoman to be exact, i have decided to start a thread where you can ask a question and or any other transperson on the site (if there are any) can answer. I started this thread becuase i thought it might be a good idea to clear up any misconceptions or to answer any questions any curios person might have, it took life from the current (as of the thread start date) topic of the week.

Also so you know what i look like a pic of me taken at a B-day party (not mine) with a friend (i'm on the right of the picture, black hair)
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/rpgjaguar/annasBday1.webp)
i'ts amazing what a litle make up can do right? also, i really need to get that second lip-ring re done.
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Post by: big ass skelly on March 30, 2011, 04:42:55 pm
Which, if any, genitals do you have?

Which, if any, genitals do you like?
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Post by: Swordfish on March 30, 2011, 04:47:12 pm
Male genitals,

both i guess.
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Post by: Farren on March 30, 2011, 05:31:09 pm
is that person on the left trans too?
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Post by: Swordfish on March 30, 2011, 05:34:58 pm
ouch, no.
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Post by: Massy2k6 on March 30, 2011, 05:48:40 pm
When you say transwoman you mean transvestite? or is that the offensive way of saying it?
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Swordfish on March 30, 2011, 05:54:44 pm
transvesite is a man whom enjoy's wearing women's clothing, mostly for sexual reasons, i don't cross dress for sexual reasons, i cross dress becuase the clothes i like happen to be for girls.
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Post by: DDay on March 30, 2011, 06:01:48 pm
I want you to do an experiment and go to a bar. make sure it's a busy bar and count how many men hit on you and report back to us with the results.
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Swordfish on March 30, 2011, 06:05:29 pm
*sigh* if your not going to be serious about this then i'm not going to bother, this was about people asking me questions with this intent of clearing up misconceptions or just asking out of curiosity, if your not going to bother to ask questions to do with that, then don't bother.

and if you must know the most amount of time's I've been hit on, i'ts four in one place.
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Post by: big ass skelly on March 30, 2011, 06:17:36 pm
Right so it's pretty clear with post-op transsexuals or ones really going at it with HRT you treat them how you would women but what's the deal with pre-op ones? if you hit a pre-op transsexual is it punching-a-dude unacceptable or punching-a-girl unacceptable? is it as bad to say cunt in front of a transpeople as it is in front of a lady?
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: DDay on March 30, 2011, 07:28:30 pm
I am serious I was just curious on the statistics of your social life and that experiment would of helped but in way you answered my question without doing the experiment.

So the guys that hit on you what was the worst thing they did when they found out you where a man.
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Swordfish on March 30, 2011, 07:46:58 pm
Ok, i'm sorry but tbh i don't present as female very much, honestly i lack the confidence to do it, mostly i present as andro, still i have been hit on twice when i was like that, both by men and i'm pretty sure they knew i was one to.
Most tend to just look a little shocked and walk away, some don't mind, and so far i've only once have i been threatend with a beating if i so much as told any one that he hit on and i quote "some nasty ass tranny fag" it was quite hurtful and i was a little worried for my saftey luckly i never saw him again so i realised that it was just bluster afterall i don't know him so who would i have to tell.
And i've been hit on by a lesbian once to, that was amusing; her reaction when i told her the truth was funny, she laughed about it and then we talked for a while, never saw her again.
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Post by: dragonx on March 30, 2011, 07:51:55 pm
why do people get lip rings? im sorry if thats not really a transpersonal question but I never actually understood why people get rings around their lip or around that thing in your nose that is splitting the two sides

whats the point
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Swordfish on March 30, 2011, 08:09:08 pm
Becuase i can and i like it, no real reason, not everything has to have a reason.
EDIT: for the record, don't ever goto camden town for peircing, i'ts a total rip off.
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Post by: Barack Obama on March 30, 2011, 08:37:15 pm
how's the whole sex thing go down? can you only fuck people who're "down" with it or have you ever cloaked your shit all the way up to fuckin' and just surprised them with it?
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Post by: Barack Obama on March 30, 2011, 08:37:35 pm
whoops, BTW i got a dick homie
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Post by: Swordfish on March 30, 2011, 09:02:05 pm
I would never do that to a person, i would make sure they knew what they were getting into, besides, it's not easy to show people yourself when you yourself can't stand to look in the mirror.
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Post by: Barack Obama on March 30, 2011, 09:03:49 pm
why can't you stand to look in the mirror?
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Post by: Farren on March 30, 2011, 10:55:50 pm
cus he knows he still ain't a she? is that it? or is it self-conscientiousness?

so you just strictly like womens clothing or do you think you're a woman? which is it? So if you like men and women that must mean you still recognize you are a man to some extent? Like, if you truly thought and wanted to be like a woman wouldn't you not find yourself attracted to other women?
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Post by: crone_lover720 on March 30, 2011, 11:35:52 pm
Um...I don't know, sorry,you'll have to wait until the OP gets back...sorry I can't help you
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Post by: Doktormartini on March 31, 2011, 12:55:33 am
Do people know you're trans?  How do they react when they find out?  Is it a problem or are people generally alright with it?  Hope this question isn't offensive.
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Post by: Massy2k6 on March 31, 2011, 08:13:49 am
Becuase i can and i like it, no real reason, not everything has to have a reason.
EDIT: for the record, don't ever goto camden town for peircing, i'ts a total rip off.

I swear a friend of mind got an infection getting a peircing from camden just the other day, now she has to walk around with this nasty ass plaster on one ear for 6months.
 
6 fuc*ing months... no, that friend isnt me.
 
I have another question for you, do you always dress in girls clothes or only bother with it for special occasions like nights out ect.
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Post by: ThugTears666 on March 31, 2011, 09:07:00 am
Would you consider an operation?

I'm going to be completely honest, and I'm sure I'll get my head bitten off by SW for being anti-pc or whatever, but I find the idea of having an operation to change your gender pretty strange. I think if you need to alter your body through science because mentally you find men attractive and find feminine clothing appealing, then something is I don't know.... wrong? That's not to say I hate transgenders or any of that ridiculousness, I just don't think an operation is necessary.
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Post by: ThugTears666 on March 31, 2011, 09:11:21 am
Also how did your parents react? Grandparents?

Was school life difficult?
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Post by: DoctorEars on March 31, 2011, 09:46:33 am
. I think if you need to alter your body through science because mentally you find men attractive and find feminine clothing appealing, then something is I don't know.... wrong? That's not to say I hate transgenders or any of that ridiculousness, I just don't think an operation is necessary.

I find this interesting more than "anti-pc." I find the concept of an operation to change gender really, really strange. Almost like humanity on a scientific and technological level is starting to get to the point of "playing god."

And as Afura said, I don't have any problem with transgender people and I don't have a problem with them having the operation, I just find the idea of it strange.
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Post by: Faust on March 31, 2011, 11:08:07 am
I was talking about this recently and, yes, it's hard not to find it strange. But wouldn't you also agree that circumcision is strange if it's for non-medical reasons? I'm aware that it's common practice in the US, but in Europe it's really not - an article I read recently stated that one of the reasons Jewish people have been considered "effeminate" in history is due to the perception that we have "mutilated" genitalia. And that's not because we feel trapped in the wrong body or anything, but because of some deal with G-d! Which is more strange from that angle?

It's hard to see from another person's mindset if you're totally comfortable with your own genitalia. It's good that most people don't have a PROBLEM with people having the operation, especially as in the EU it's fully legal for trans people to change their gender in the law. Well, in the UK we had to be forced by the Court of Human Rights to accept the ruling (and we only have done since 2005), but it's the way things are now.

Oh yeah, according to UK law now anyway, you don't actually have to have the full operation to have an official gender change. Gender change legally occurs after a year of living as the preferred gender and with hormone therapy.

How far would people agree that the discomfort associated with trans-people is the thought of losing or something happening to their own genitalia?


BTW: Swordfish, you're really cute, for a chick anyway. Well done for attempting to educate people :D​!
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Swordfish on March 31, 2011, 11:33:55 am
@ DietCoke: honestly? becuase as far as i'm concerined, my body is disgusting becuase i can't stand it's masculine features.

@ Farren: first of all, gender identity is a seprate thing from whom your atracted to, that said i'm bi, why not? more fun, ok that's not entirly true, tbh i'm still not sure who i'm atracted to but so far i seem to swing both ways. I don't strictly wear womens clothing, that said i can't wear mens clothing (well the trousers at least) becuase despite my masculine features i'm rather a feminine physicaly, i can go into that in a moment, but put simply men's trousers tends to just fall off; for the record i don't wear women's clothing to make me feel more fem, i wear them becuase i like them the fact there ladies clothing is an afterthought and yes i think of myself as a women, i just have a birthdefect, having a dick.

@Doktormartini: becuase i tend to present androgynos most of the time most people catch that i'm male, i only tell people i know i can trust i'm trans so i've had no problems so far, but that's also why i haven't told my only remaning parent, i can't tell how'd he react, he thinks trans is a stupid thing but at the same time, i know my dad loves me, we've always had a strong bond.

@Massy2k6: atm i only present fully female on special ocasions, that and when i have the courage to do it, that said i'm always wearing ladies jeans/gothy trousers but i've already mentiond why, i'll speak on that later as already said.

@Afura: that is a very honest question and i don't take offense at all. Yes i do but the reason i need this has nothing to do with whom i find atractive or clothing, i'ts my physical self i can't stand, i need to do this to feel good withmyself, so i can feel normal instead of this horrible presure to conform to somthing that isn't really me. Whilst most people feel bad becuase the think there ugly or becuase of this that and the other they are at least comfortable with there physical selves and the roll they have in society and what's expected of them; for me and people like me, we have the same issues but on top of that we arn't comfortable in our bodies or the roll in society or what's expected of  them.

@ Faust: Thanks, your making me blush. Also you say loose somthing and your right, but, for me it's loosing the last evidence that i was a man and instead gain somthing that will make me feel closer to what i should have always been.

Now, before i leave to go and get lunch (mmm salmon en crute) i said i would talk about my physical self. Whilst i am (at least acourding to the doctors) fully male i do have some rather circumspect atributes which i'm rather glad of since it makes it easier to pass. I don't have wide shoulders (ther in line with my hips) and a waist that goes inwards, i don't have a petruding adams apple, my arms go out at a 45 degree angle instead of straight, my arms are rather slender, and my face is really effeminately featured so in that reguard i'm quite lucky. It doesn't take much at all to pass for female, despite that though it's still not easy to work up the courage to dress up and present as female and still can't stand the masculinty i see on myself.

EDIT: i'm also pretty short, i'm only 5'6, well short for a man, also i have really small hands, most women tend to have bigger hands then i do.
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Faust on March 31, 2011, 06:31:03 pm
Hey screw you, I'm 5'6!!!!

It is a MIGHTY HEIGHT! If we were around a thousand years ago we'd be decently sized people. Another thousand years and we'd have been reasonably tall!
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Swordfish on March 31, 2011, 06:44:02 pm
ha ha, sorry still with my awesome boots (new rock neptunes) which i wear ALL THE TIME
(http://www.shoppers-court.com/new-rock-boots/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/m/p/mp373_neptune-2.jpg)
i'm 5'8 MHAHAHAHAH *cough* *hack* *wheeze*.

so no more questions? not even a serious one?
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Post by: Mince Wobley on March 31, 2011, 08:52:21 pm
Have you ever been told you look like dani filth?

What do you think of Buck Angels?
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Post by: Swordfish on March 31, 2011, 08:55:13 pm
i had to look that up, no never, should i be insulted? i reall don't know;
I think buck angels is just another person, a man who happens to have a vulva.

EDIT:i'm wondering If I've inadvertandly killed the topic of the week...
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Post by: Frisky SKeleton on March 31, 2011, 09:37:05 pm
how would you feel if you looked like brad pitt?
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Post by: big ass skelly on March 31, 2011, 09:41:13 pm
how would you feel if you looked like brad pitt?
Brad pitt with body dismorphia? that don't impressa me much.
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Swordfish on March 31, 2011, 10:22:52 pm
I would still hate myself, honestly though i never thought about it if i was a hot male, kinda provocative to think about...
No, i would still hate myself, maybe even more becasue i was a handsom man and that would be even further of my ideal of being a pretty women (no cracks about walkin down the street).
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Post by: DDay on March 31, 2011, 11:44:51 pm
Hey I would hate myself too if I was brad pitt because I would be that idiot that was into Scientology.
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Farren on April 01, 2011, 01:29:54 am
I think I could live with being that millionaire idiot who is fucking Angelina Jolie and was into scientology 
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Post by: DDay on April 01, 2011, 01:48:31 am
I think I could live with being that millionaire idiot who is fucking Angelina Jolie and was into scientology 
Well I did forget about Angelina Jolie I guess that dose equalizes Scientology and  yes he makes money but think about how much money he wasted on Scientology crap.
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Post by: crone_lover720 on April 01, 2011, 03:06:18 am
they both like ayn rand, so.
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Post by: Farren on April 01, 2011, 05:40:20 am
so I would like to fuck Angelina Jolie but brad pitt did it instead

I don't give a fuck about no ayn rand or scientology
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Post by: Barack Obama on April 01, 2011, 09:43:46 am
@ DietCoke: honestly? becuase as far as i'm concerined, my body is disgusting becuase i can't stand it's masculine features.
Well, I can understand that, I've known a few people who've gone the same route and generally feel the same way.
Are you considering going on Hormone therapy or undergoing gender reassignment surgery?

just to be a little bit obnoxious... Which restroom do you enter when you're out dressed fem? Has it ever just slipped your mind and you rolled up in the men's room and posted up in front of a urinal catching everyone's eyes?
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Post by: Swordfish on April 01, 2011, 09:49:17 am
I use unisex or disabled toilets when i'm out fem.
and Hormone therapy is somthing you have to do before surgury, not either or, but yes i am.
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Post by: dragonx on April 01, 2011, 09:52:53 am
are you going to be a jazz musician on a jupiter moon
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Post by: dragonx on April 01, 2011, 09:53:08 am
after the therapy ...
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Post by: Swordfish on April 01, 2011, 10:11:06 am
I,um, what?
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Faust on April 01, 2011, 04:37:49 pm
Hey, time for an actual question or two!


When did you first know you were in the wrong body? What were your first clues? Is it something you've always been aware of?

You're from the UK right? What are your thoughts on the fact that we only approved the Gender Recognition Act in 2005, and that was mostly due to the influence of the European Court of Human Rights? Do you consider this an acceptable nation for a Transperson to live in, or do you think it could improve significantly? What improvements could be made?

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Post by: ATARI on April 01, 2011, 07:19:52 pm
have you ever considered going saturated?  or unsaturated?
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Swordfish on April 01, 2011, 07:21:56 pm
@Faust:
First question:
i didn't realise untill i was about 16/17 so pretty late but this was because for most of my life i tended to ignore myself. When i hit puberty it got harder to fit in so i was a bit of a social outcast but i still ignored myself, i just regressed further into my shell, my personality didn't have that much depth, i only made friends from similair hobies.
Honestly speaking i didn't act in away that was what i wanted, what i did was becuase i was trying to fit in, act like a what i thought a boy would be, act like i like this and that, etc; the worst thing is that i didn't realise i was doing this, it wasn't till i was 16/17 when my friend asked me what i wanted for my b-day.
We went around the shops and he said buy some jeans (never really war any) so i looked and wanted black ones, it was then i realised i didn't much like bright clothing, or tracksuits and i started changing my wardrobe, my interestes grew but despite the changes i was never really content, there was always somthing and i couldn't work out what it was.  I was happy that i was finnaly coming out of my sheld and discovering myself but i didn't like this fealing of not knowing somthing about myself so i searched despratly.

I don't remember exactly what cuased me to question my gender so it might not be 100% complete/right since my mind was such a jumble I'ts any wonder i remeber anything at all.

What caused me to change though, to really want to change was after i saw a video of myself, i saw it and i just couldn't help but feel disgust well up, i had really let myself go, i was ugly and really overwight(not obese but enough to be very noticable) so i decided i had to change, but that wasn't all iwas disgusted at but i couldn't work out what it was.
I rember at one point become completly obsessed with anime/manga/webcomics (anything really) that were gender benders, i don't remeber what peaked my interest in them  but somthing about it made me loose myself in it.
I think what happend was that it appealed to me becuase of my GID but i wasn't awear of it conciously at the time and somewhere along the line i think i questioned my gender. I looked into the mirror and i saw what it was that i could stand looking at, my masculinity, it was horrifying, this realisation and i wished i never realised it after i did.
I spent months agonising over whether i was transgender or not, going around in circles, over and over and over, afraid of what i would mean if i were. Eventually i realised i was never going to get my answer becuase i was asking myself the wrong question, I't's not "am i transgender?" but rather "am I what transgender means?" there is a big differance to that. It meant looking at myself, asking if i liked myself and why i didn't and in the end i got my answer, yes i am transgender becuase i am what it means, a person who hates there masculinty, physically and mentally, i grew horribly deprresed by this point, i still am.

I tried progressing from here but it's slow going, i'ts hamperd by my lack of confidence, i might seem condifent but i'ts not that, i just get on well with people. I'm rather shy about revealing things like this to people, but i'm a good judge of character. So far every one i've told has reacted as i predicted, in an accepting, trustworthy mannor, but i can't predict my father so i haven't told him yet.

Second question:
honestly i don't know, i haven't really thought about it, i guess it's pretty bad that we took so long to accept this but the fact that it has been accept means that were moving along, even if it's one step at a time. I don't know of this is an acceptable place for trans peple to live in but i guess it depends on where you live.
In london i'm rather weary of walking down the street even just presenting andro-male since most pople seam to take offence to my goth apearance, i'ts even more heart wrenching to do it in fully femm unless i'm with my friends. Up in derby though i'ts much safer, people seam to be more accepting, even if i don't have any really close friends up here i still feel safer.
I think we are improving but maybe not fast enough. There are three things i would change, the process with which one is to go through to change genders (i'ts like jumping through super pretentious hoops); make it less taboo by introducing the subject to young children where there most susptable to influence (both good and bad) and get them to understand it's not there fualt if they are trans and lastly take the condition out of the DMV since as far as i know, i'm not mental, i just have a birth defect.


@Atari: i don't understand your question
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: dragonx on April 01, 2011, 08:44:24 pm
I,um, what?

cowboy bebop reference sry
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Barack Obama on April 01, 2011, 09:27:28 pm
I use unisex or disabled toilets when i'm out fem.
and Hormone therapy is somthing you have to do before surgury, not either or, but yes i am.
well the reason I was asking was because some folks do the hormones but don't wanna cut their wiener off/get a fake vagina because and I was wondering where you're at w/that.
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Post by: Barack Obama on April 01, 2011, 09:30:59 pm
how's the med-tech at with prosthetic vaginas? do they get like a fleshlight going on up there or is it all just superficial?
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Post by: crone_lover720 on April 01, 2011, 09:33:12 pm
on facebook which gender do you select? what about in video games? do you think video games should be more accommodating?

DC: penis inversion
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Post by: big ass skelly on April 01, 2011, 09:52:06 pm
DC: penis inversion
Crysis 3 the DC penis invasion

I've just read a wiki about penile inversion and apparently what you end up with is called a neovagina. isn't that great? apparently some surgeons don't create a neoclitoris for this procedure which seems kind of mean.

swordfish would you ever consider trading your "outie" for an "innie"?
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Post by: Swordfish on April 01, 2011, 10:59:06 pm
I'm starting to wonder if you people are taking this seriously, of your only going to make a big joke out of this when i'm trying to be serious then why bother.
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Post by: Massy2k6 on April 01, 2011, 11:21:38 pm
@Faust:
I don't know of this is an acceptable place for trans peple to live in but i guess it depends on where you live.
In london i'm rather weary of walking down the street even just presenting andro-male since most pople seam to take offence to my goth apearance, i'ts even more heart wrenching to do it in fully femm unless i'm with my friends. Up in derby though i'ts much safer, people seam to be more accepting, even if i don't have any really close friends up here i still feel safer.

I'd imagine when your in london you spend most your time in Camden, doesnt matter what you look like or what you wear, everything is acceptable there.
 
Dont have a question for you, just think camden is alright.
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Post by: Carrion Crow on April 01, 2011, 11:41:39 pm
You have posted this thread in a self-indulgent manner much in the same way that people make formspring accounts for people to ask them questions. This just confirms that the whole thing is kinda attention seeking. Sorry if that sounds harsh. If you genuinely believe that you feel this way then I'm sorry for making this assumption. It's a pretty concete assumption though.

I have spent a lot of time in the company of goths and emos or perhaps neither of those stereotypes but just in groups of people who relate to each other through their hang-outs and group feeling of depression. I have been a member of a circle of friends with more issues than is bearable for a rational person to bother with. People do extreme things to themselves like get completely covered in tattoos or piercings or wear clothes that draw attention to themselves in seeking some sort of polar identity.

It's really kinda simple and sad. It's not special or anything like that. I once believed I was gay for about a year when I was 16 and it was some sort of crisis that never amounted to anything. Everyone has a personal crisis at some point I guess.

No-one is truly happy with themselves and you've gotta make the most of what you've got. If you're overweight there are morale-boosting ways to deal with that. The human body is meant to exercise and that in turn releases chemicals that will make you feel more self-assured and confident.

I think that you are perhaps looking to the wrong answer to your problems. Maybe you are misinterpreting how you feel or even looking for problems that aren't really there. This sounds vague but consider this: When I was depressed I found myself consciously allowing myself to form negative opinions about my physical and mental characteristics. I just let myself do myself down until I hit rock bottom. Now I have some sort of line of code in there that says "Really Ed, REALLY?" to which my brain answers "Yeah you're right, that's completely ridiculous <<placeholder kitten photo>>".

I changed university and that changed my scene and allowed me to start anew. I cut off my hair and went from a scraggy goth emo type to a person that isn't so deliberately alienating in my appearence. The difference in the whole subconscious confidence system that we have no control of is hard to monitor but a change of scene works wonders.

I think the oldest age to be a goth and get away with it is about 20. After that you're just limiting yourself socially and if you're not strong enough you can succumb to the depressive culture of it all.

I realise this response doesn't accommodate for transgender people's feelings very much. I'm not hating on them as a group, I'm just clearly identifying you as an attention-seeker who needs to reconsider his priorities. Yes I have made a generalisation about people who dress the way you do but that's down to years of social experience meeting people at university who are blinded by the prototype of negativity they are aimlessly following.

Call me cynical.

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Post by: Kaworu on April 01, 2011, 11:47:40 pm
you look kinda cute

anyways, earlchip, what does VG character gender have to do with anythig? I almost always play as female chartacters when avaliable.
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Post by: crone_lover720 on April 02, 2011, 01:58:34 am
you look kinda cute

anyways, earlchip, what does VG character gender have to do with anythig? I almost always play as female chartacters when avaliable.
because someone with a different perspective on gender might feel differently about it

I switch between male and female characters in games without putting much thought into besides what kind of character I wanna play. like in new vegas 4/5 of my characters were guys but in DA:O I made two females and in the nwns/baldur's gates I split it pretty evenly. actually in games like these I probably spend most of my time creating new characters and playing only the first couple hours of the game.
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Post by: Barack Obama on April 02, 2011, 02:47:13 am
I'm starting to wonder if you people are taking this seriously, of your only going to make a big joke out of this when i'm trying to be serious then why bother.
I wasn't trying to make it a joke. I dunno if it's the city I live in or what but I've seen/met several transpeople on the regs so it's not like an "out there" thing to me, I kinda have an idea of how it goes socially(not necessarily on an individual basis though). The questions I have for you are a little more on the practical end of things because I can't ask people these things IRL.

DC: penis inversion
yeah but I'm wondering how elaborate that gets I guess. like where are we at with that technology?
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Post by: Barack Obama on April 02, 2011, 02:55:56 am
neovaginoplasty
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Swordfish on April 02, 2011, 10:13:03 am
@ ed: i'm not doing this thread for attention seeking, i'm doing this thread becuase i thought it was a good idea, no other reason. also, when i said i wanted to change myself, i did, i lost weight, now i'm only slightly overwieght (not noticable really) and i'm still loosing it and i wear clothing i like to wear it just happens to give me a goth look, and i have had this feeling since 4 years ago, if it lasts about a year then somthing is wrong, i've already passed the crises point, i know what i need to feel happy.

@ DietCoke:i'm sorry but some of the questions, i can't tell if people are just joking or being serious with them when they ask "are you going to change an outtie for an innie?" any way, honestly i want to do the whole thing, but atm i just want to start HRt, one step at a time and all that. Also why would i need to care about prosthetic vulvas?

@earlchip: most of the time i play with female toons, at first i kept saying it was becuase i just wanted to be able to stare at a girls but then a man but but that wasn't really the reason, if i wanted to play a game like NVW or oblivion or an MMO then i feel i can assoicate with  my character if it were female, thats not to say i play exclusivley female toons but i do most of the time.
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Drule on April 02, 2011, 01:42:46 pm
I find the idea of having an operation to change your gender pretty strange. I think if you need to alter your body through science because mentally you find men attractive and find feminine clothing appealing, then something is I don't know.... wrong? That's not to say I hate transgenders or any of that ridiculousness, I just don't think an operation is necessary.
And as Afura said, I don't have any problem with transgender people and I don't have a problem with them having the operation, I just find the idea of it strange.
Transgender people have sex reassignment surgery because they identify more with the opposite gender and don't feel like they belong to their given gender on a core level. I don't know where science is at in determining whether gender issues can be attributed to a disorder, but I think it's important to be considerate of transgender people considering the seriousness of their issues.
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Ragnar on April 02, 2011, 02:16:54 pm
all these sex change terms sound like ragnar song titles

penis inversion neoclitoris
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Mince Wobley on April 02, 2011, 02:27:58 pm
So, does having a surgery to have your peepee turned inside out automatically make you a woman? I think this is just doctors experimenting with people
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Swordfish on April 02, 2011, 03:28:30 pm
Don't be silly, of course it doesn't, but it makes me feel closer to what i feel i should have been to begin with, once i hit that point, you wouldn't be able to physcally tell if i were a post-op transexual or a women with a Hysterectomy, i won't be perfect but it's far better to what it should have been.
I know you don't understand it, afterall your all comfortable with your gender, physcally and the roll but i'm not and can't live happily till i can resolve this. A good part of me wishes i had never opened up pandora's box and remained oblivious; but then i would never have grown as a person and still been that shallow personaltied , ugly, overeight person i was and as much as i hate this i have to deal with it. I wish that i had never been born without this defect, either a normal boy or a normal girl but instead i got saddle with one of the hardest things, to be completly at ends with my physcal self, and becuase of the gender roll asociated with it i can't act the way i feel without fear of ridicule.
Honestly i contemplate suicide becuase sometimes it feels like it might just be easier then having to deal with it. Sure i'd be dead but then, why would i care i'd be dead but i like living, even if it's hard and on top of that i couldn't do that to my father. I we just lost my mother last october, and my grand mother might not survive the operation to her hip, i don't know how it would effect my father if i also whent away, but it would seriously hurt him and i just can't do that no matter how hard it is on me.
You may not understand, you may call me strange or even mock me but this is who i am and to change myself is the only way i know how to deal with it.
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Faust on April 02, 2011, 04:30:32 pm
because someone with a different perspective on gender might feel differently about it

I switch between male and female characters in games without putting much thought into besides what kind of character I wanna play. like in new vegas 4/5 of my characters were guys but in DA:O I made two females and in the nwns/baldur's gates I split it pretty evenly. actually in games like these I probably spend most of my time creating new characters and playing only the first couple hours of the game.

This is actually a good point. I always make male characters unless there's like six to make, in which case like one of them will be female. I (for some reason) feel uncomfortable playing a female avatar that I personally have created - I have no idea why this is! Like a few months ago I chose the female avatar in Digimon DS, then never played it again. It is always interesting to get different perspectives on this, as I have no idea how comfortable female gamers feel considering that like 99% (assumption) of videogames have a male main character.
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Vellfire on April 02, 2011, 09:54:07 pm
I almost always make my characters black, whether I make them male or female (which is about 50/50).  What does this say about me?
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Massy2k6 on April 03, 2011, 01:13:37 pm
Once you go black you never go back, I dont think there's anything you can do about that anymore.

Whats done is done.
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Barack Obama on April 04, 2011, 06:13:54 am
I almost always make my characters black, whether I make them male or female (which is about 50/50).  What does this say about me?
you have a unconscious desire to control the behavior of black people, proof that white devils are all potential slaveowners who will stop at nothing to subjugate people of color to their control
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: big ass skelly on April 04, 2011, 09:26:38 am
In the only game I play competitively I play a black woman because I figured most Straight Male Gamers are scared of both women and black people so it might give me an edge.

And also because it's my dream to set up a cotton plantation
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Swordfish on April 04, 2011, 10:10:37 am
I realise that this is totaly irrelavent to the topic but... i just realised that i've been a memeber for almost 9 years....
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Carrion Crow on April 04, 2011, 11:25:49 am
We'll have one less member if you chop it off.
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Vellfire on April 04, 2011, 12:12:02 pm
you have a unconscious desire to control the behavior of black people, proof that white devils are all potential slaveowners who will stop at nothing to subjugate people of color to their control

no my desire to control black people is very conscious, it must be some other reason.

We'll have one less member if you chop it off.

ahaahahaha
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Barack Obama on April 04, 2011, 02:32:27 pm
We'll have one less member if you chop it off.
lol
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Kaworu on April 04, 2011, 02:40:07 pm
meh, when playing a game, I have a strong desire NOT to identify with the character as an extension of me, and have them be a totally different person, with a different role etc, thus simply by changing gender changes my attitude towards the character. On Fallout3, I only ever tried playing as a male once, and gave up before hitting 30 minutes, because it just so didn't interest me. On games like Armoured Core, where you can't tell which gender, I always asume it to be female.  I think it's kinda a flaw that games like GTA don't allow for women playable characters.

There are also sometimes practical reasons why I do so, such as the Male Shepard in Mass Effect has the most bland and generic voice actor ever, and literally ruins the feel of the game.
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: goldenratio on April 04, 2011, 09:07:46 pm
it makes me feel closer to what i feel i should have been to begin with
this is where the slippery slope starts for me... what if someone felt they should have been born taller? Or shorter? Or blacker? or more jewish? Or in the 1800s? Some people legitimately feel like they should be animals, as strongly if not more than you feel like you should be a different sex, yet a lot of these we can point to and say "sorry but you are crazy." That's all.

Also ed I have to say I totally agree with you. Swordfish, you say you made this legitimately because you wanted to honestly answer questions people had, but what made you think people had any questions to begin with? You say you want to clear up any misconceptions, but what misconceptions are you referring to? Was there some kind of major discussion on the forums or IRC recently about this? My point is that even though you're saying you want to clear up confusion and help people understand, if nobody is actually demonstrating confusion or a desire to understand, then it is 100% attention-seeking behavior.

I know you feel like if you could choose you would choose *not* to have any problems like this, but honestly it's coming across like you want some attention for being different and special.
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: DDay on April 04, 2011, 09:28:36 pm
Vellfire I'll paint you black so you can be my sex slave. I'll be Thomas Jefferson and you can be Sarah Hemings.
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: crone_lover720 on April 04, 2011, 09:34:48 pm
gr http://www.saltw.net/index.php?topic=82322.msg1612926#msg1612926
it's justified attention-seeking at the very least, but even if it is I think seeking attention is the least of their problems. I mean, the idea that someone would become a transperson SINGULARLY to get attention is pretty dumb. and even if it was the case that every transperson was always looking for attention it still wouldn't be safe to assume attention-seeking -> become trans

I kinda mocked the thread with my game comments for similar reasons ("tolerance" reeking) but I think you've stepped into dangerous territory
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Ellie on April 04, 2011, 11:22:27 pm
How do people generally treat you when they find out?

My parents have taken it weirdly. They completely approve and are fine but are also very um... uncaring? As if it's completely not a problem and therefore I don't need to do anything. Loll
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on April 05, 2011, 05:08:33 am
I'm curious... of the transpeople you know how many of them would you say made their decision based on gender role vs the way it reflects their sexual proclivities? I ask this because of the people I know who've decided to take this route in life the reasons for doing so is varied... but is almost exclusively [and ][/and] a matter of sexual orientation. Granted I only know F2Ms personally but it seems that for the most part deciding to live the life as a tansperson was a matter of coping with their tastes rather than 'being born the wrong gender'. If it helps make it easier to understand why I would think this way, the people I know are in their early 20s, pre-op (binders, hair cuts, that sort of thing), and with the exception of one, who identifies as a straight male and has remained single, are in relationships with other men.... two of them identifying as gay males and another identifying as a bisexual male but with a straight male look/ persona.
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Drule on April 05, 2011, 06:20:29 am
Vellfire I'll paint you black so you can be my sex slave. I'll be Thomas Jefferson and you can be Sarah Hemings.
Quoted for DDay-posterity.
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Farren on April 05, 2011, 07:09:26 am
vellfire he wants you to take his cherry
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Vellfire on April 05, 2011, 11:44:20 am
vellfire he wants you to take his cherry

old news
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: DDay on April 05, 2011, 12:55:33 pm
I'm only playing around.

It's fine I already came to terms that I may be alone forever. Always under siege by my equals and peers. I normally don't meet new people and if I did they try to see something in me that's not there (normally it's something bad or negative). In away I feel so disassociated with this world now I don't think I could ever go back to the way things once where.

All I have to do now is move froward till I die and Try to live decently. But soon I'm trying to transform my life so I don't have Struggle like I am at the moment. (to go get an higher education or trade school so I'm not scraping and barely living and working at a retail store all my life.)
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Swordfish on April 05, 2011, 06:00:35 pm
We'll have one less member if you chop it off.
This made me laugh, really funny

For the record, I've been aware of my GID for about 4 years, I only started this thread now, so your ideas that I'm doing this trans thing for attention seeking Is wholly unjustified.

@ Wyatt: luckily I've only asked people I knew wouldn't react badly about it so no one I've told has reacted badly, I told my mother, she of course was sad that she would loose a son but she still loved me, she told me I could come home the most flamboyant homosexual in the world and she'd still love me, sadly she's passed away so I can't turn to her; I have yet to tell  my father, I can't predict how he'll react since i know he doesn't care much for the idea of transgenderism (think's it's stupid) but on the other side i'm really close to my father and we both love each other (father - child, no perversity please).

@Ghost_Aspergers: My reason's are nothing to do with my sexual orientation, whether I liked women (making me a lesbian) or  men (making me straight) my reason's for doing it are purely becuase I can't stand myself or live in the expected male role becuase neither are what I feel I should be, which is female living the in the femle roll; sexual orientation is an afterthought.
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Ellie on April 05, 2011, 06:02:36 pm
A lot of people seem to forget lesbians exist when they talk about trans people.
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Malad on April 05, 2011, 07:02:59 pm
I agree with Ed. I guess it's the sort of thing no one understands nor cares about seeing as they aren't in your shoes. People are either going to hate on you, act interested, or scold you for seeking attention. I never understood the "ask a ____" threads, except for the satirical ones (which give me a laugh).

"Ask an Athlete"
"Ask a Farmer"
"Ask a Guy With Blue Skin" ... they all seem the same to me!!!
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Kaworu on April 05, 2011, 07:14:08 pm
Transpersons, genders in disguise
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Vellfire on April 05, 2011, 07:19:48 pm
I agree with Ed. I guess it's the sort of thing no one understands nor cares about seeing as they aren't in your shoes. People are either going to hate on you, act interested, or scold you for seeking attention. I never understood the "ask a ____" threads, except for the satirical ones (which give me a laugh).

i've seen some interesting ones before but it has to be with people who have genuinely OUT THERE things.  it has to be something that's fairly mysterious, i don't think anyone's too confused about transgendered people
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Farren on April 05, 2011, 09:30:31 pm
I'm only playing around.

It's fine I already came to terms that I may be alone forever. Always under siege by my equals and peers. I normally don't meet new people and if I did they try to see something in me that's not there (normally it's something bad or negative). In away I feel so disassociated with this world now I don't think I could ever go back to the way things once where.

All I have to do now is move froward till I die and Try to live decently. But soon I'm trying to transform my life so I don't have Struggle like I am at the moment. (to go get an higher education or trade school so I'm not scraping and barely living and working at a retail store all my life.)

lol dude ain't nothin to worry about. going to schools a good idea though to surround yourself with new folks but you gotta make a choice to talk to em.
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Gulp on April 06, 2011, 12:02:56 am
what i want to know is where all the penises go. do they get recycled and used for people who are going female to male?
Title: Ask a Transperson
Post by: Ellie on April 06, 2011, 12:09:01 am
Gulp, the most common SRS operation involves simply (lol simply) inverting the penis. The head becomes a less detailed clitoris.