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General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: Mince Wobley on May 04, 2011, 06:41:17 am
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I typed a huge text about the issue, about how maybe we'll see the dawn of a new tomorrow, the change Obama said we could believe in but whatever. How do you feel about bin laden finally being dead? Don't say it won't change anything, because it will. Well, it might not change anything in the grand scheme of things, but maybe something will change.
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it does not fucking matter
in a year ask them why we still got peeps in Afghanistan
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It was a bit like the two minutes' hate in 1984 watching everyone else react.
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I always figured he was dead already, and they just hadn't confirmed it yet.
Him being dead doesn't undo the last decade's worth of damage to the United States' economy and stability.
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I'm fairly pessimistic about anything substantial changing as a result of this but progressives could use this to start a new campaign to repeal the Patriot Act, for starters. Obama should use this as an excuse to get out of Afghanistan entirely (which is what everybody wants).
There's not much to "feel" about this though. This is just one mass murderer killing another mass murderer. A terrorist killed through terrorism.
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i came
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He still won
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I'm hoping that there isn't going to be like a "you killed our leader, now we're really pissed off" kind of thing from Al Queda. Probably not, but I always expect the worst.
Otherwise... this doesn't really change anything.
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http://whoisosama.tumblr.com/
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is osama bin laden well known outside of the US?
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I hear a lot of Muslim extremists knew of him...
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I'm literally rejoicing at the purported death of that guy they hate on tv. I hope Jon Gosselin is next!
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It's gotten me motivated to do some video game fanart.
I'd show it to you now, but finals are next week so I haven't even had time to start on it. (I really hope nobody on the internet comes up with the exact same idea before then. It seems like a really obvious thing to draw, but that might just be me.)
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I'm pleased but it's only a small blip on the radar screen. There's still a lot of work to do when it comes t making the world safe and tolerant and not all of it involves killing people. In fact, most of it has to do with changing hearts and minds.But it's a step in the right direction.
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There's not much to "feel" about this though. This is just one mass murderer killing another mass murderer. A terrorist killed through terrorism.
Yeah, I think this is what I think about it all. The scale of these events is out of my range of feeling, so I don't feel anything other than that I am observing some apparently important stuff going on far away from me. I'm engaged with it the same way I'm engaged with most current affairs stuff. That means, I don't believe that any of it happened the way it's been presented to me and everyone involved from the event itself to how I hear about it is probably exploiting somebody and lying all over the place.
What is a bit closer to me though is the way a lot of people have had crazy reactions to it. I haven't encountered a lot of celebration, or that kind of sentiment, in Scotland apart from in tabloids. Anyway, grossed out by all of that. Don't see how it does any good to get drunk and celebrate how a terrorist got killed, and sensationalize it all. I really don't understand the kind of person who would react like that at all, unless they were already drunk when they heard about it and just went with the feeling of the evening.
I don't know what it means, if it means anything.
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But don't people get drunk at wakes? There it's part of celebrating the life of the deceased. So why not celebrate the destruction of an enemy? i mean, I'm not quite ready to acknowledge him as a fellow human being enough to pity or feel sorry for him, at least not yet, and I may never be. In fact I hope I never do.
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is osama bin laden well known outside of the US?
Yeah pretty much. We were all Americans on 911, remember?
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This September it will actually be 9/11.
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But don't people get drunk at wakes? There it's part of celebrating the life of the deceased. So why not celebrate the destruction of an enemy?
People were mostly celebrating because of a misplaced feeling of superiority. That has nothing to do with what an Irish wake is about.
Really, you don't have to feel sorry for the guy. That's not the point. The problem here is mainly that people are celebrating the actions of a state which has killed many more people than Bin Laden was responsible for. They're celebrating the use and perpetuation of violence in defiance of international law and legally binding treaties, also known as terrorism—except when the US does it, it's called "counter-terrorism". It also shows the basic hypocrisy: if it benefits their side, it's bad, but if it benefits your side, it's good.
Which is not to say that I don't understand why the sentiment exists, but you should give this some thought.
That means, I don't believe that any of it happened the way it's been presented to me and everyone involved from the event itself to how I hear about it is probably exploiting somebody and lying all over the place.
At this rate it hardly matters. There's no independent verification that I know of, so it's remotely possible that Bin Laden wasn't killed that night. In that case, he would have already been dead. I don't think that's the case, though. It probably happened mostly how the US said it did: they went in and killed him, and then dumped his body into the sea. (Which, by the way, is kind of a big fuck you to the Islamic world because it has absolutely nothing to do with proper Islamic burial practices like they awkwardly claimed.)
The most important questions as to how this came to be are related to the Pakistani government and military, but I won't bore you with the details.
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I didn't really care but I the idea of celebrating his death is not totally comfortable, I don't know why.
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nope nevermind I thought it read thats what they did.
hrmmm. I dunno how the hell burial at sea works other than casting off ashes. I bet they put it on an island out there and kept it secret though that seems like the smartest way to do it.
The sacred texts of Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam) prefer burial on land, "so deep that its smell does not come out and the beasts of prey do not dig it out". However, if a person dies at sea and it is not possible to bring the body back to land before decay, or if burial at land becomes impossible, burial at sea is allowed. A weight is tied to the feet of the body, and the body is lowered into the water. This would preferably occur in an area where the remains are not immediately eaten by scavengers. Also, if an enemy may dig up the grave to mutilate the body, it is also allowed to bury the deceased at sea to avoid mutilation.
nope, I didn't know the weight to leg thing actually worked. I thought it might fall off after decomposition and leave the body floating.
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Don't sharks eat shit in the sea? Or do they avoid corpses? Some of the people in TITANIC got eaten by sharks I think, but I have no idea if that was before or after corpsification.
I was a little sad that Osama didn't get a trial. I mean, even senior Nazis like Goering got trials at Nuremburg. It was always certain he (Goering) was going to be found guilty and executed, but a trial is still pretty important in a civilised society.
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Symbolically? Cool. Will affect my life on a personal and emotional level? no lol.
I was a little sad that Osama didn't get a trial. I mean, even senior Nazis like Goering got trials at Nuremburg. It was always certain he (Goering) was going to be found guilty and executed, but a trial is still pretty important in a civilised society.
My dad used to tell me that people who speed on the highway should have a fair trial and then executed. I was ~7, didn't get the sarcasm until ~12. :o
Oh, and I agree. Plus a trial would have been infinitely more badass to watch than choppy "this might be him" videos.
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"I have never wished a man's death, but I have smiled at some obituaries with great pleasure" - Mark Twain
got no problem that osama is dead, he was an awful person and the world is a better place without him
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Bin laden never surrendered
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I was typing my reply until I saw Dada's, exactly my thoughts.
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Bin laden never surrendered
Nor did a lot of other horrible people.
However, the only way this will really make me happy is if this action will reduce the number of people dying overall. I imagine it will. but I'm unsure.
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who gives a shit
i'm still bummed ted kaczynski hasn't busted out of jail and dissolved modern society
a trial is still pretty important in a civilised society.
what is this civilised society that sounds unamerican i don't think civilised society is one of the figures on the FBI most wanted list.
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a trial is still pretty important in a civilised society.
lol if you think we live under anything but some of the most barbaric states in history.
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a civilised society is one where everyone eats with a knife and fork like proper adults. we wear socks ant take off our shoes because the carpet is new. after dinner, we use cake forks. but not to stir our tea. justice is done from the living room unto our enemies.
also www.pwsnt.com (http://www.pwsnt.com) osama special america america
also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmPAHbpmiw0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmPAHbpmiw0) (it's rap)
also i guess obama gon get reelected.
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i feel like writing a song about 9/11/11
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Just as electing Barack ended racism so too shall the death of Osama end Terrorism.
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Well the most important rule of a civilised society is the RULE OF LAW I think. The shoes and shirt are just additions to this.
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Well the most important rule of a civilised society is the RULE OF LAW I think. The shoes and shirt are just additions to this.
That's remarkably naive dude.
These wars started with little to no justification, set in motion the entire military-industrial-complex of the largest empire in history and sole-superpower, murdered thousands of innocent people, involved some pretty egregious crimes against humanity as well as complete disregard for international law. Don't you think it's a little more than absurd to be concerned about the US not upholding liberal ideals of rule of law amidst a complete breakdown of civil society?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXWSgG-KNng&feature=related <=== RULE OF LAW in the US
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sadam's trial was an example of human accomplishment
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXWSgG-KNng&feature=related <=== RULE OF LAW in the US
Yeah, whatever happened to that cop? I saw this video ages ago and I haven't heard anything about this. No news is probably bad news.
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story of the homosexual serial killer who got a victim released back into his custody by gay-hating police who were later lauded and promoted for their service that I can't find now and wouldn't post anyway because you shouldn't look into serial killers
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I remember that too, if I recall right they went on to get promoted and are still on active duty today.
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Yeah, whatever happened to that cop? I saw this video ages ago and I haven't heard anything about this. No news is probably bad news.
http://advancethestruggle.wordpress.com/2010/07/06/lessons-from-the-struggle-oscar-grant-rebellions-of-2009/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant#Johannes_Mehserle
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I remember that too, if I recall right they went on to get promoted and are still on active duty today.
found it, someone removed their names from the wikipedia article. the officers were dismissed but they repealed and were reinstated with back pay, one went on to be elected president of the police association and the other is chief of police in another town
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FREAKSHOW
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Do people here actually think a bin laden trial should have been neccessary? I wholeheartedly agree with the us having def done way more damage then the act of 9/11 itself and then using such an atrocity as an excuse or scapegoat for it but really, a trial? I just feel like that time publicity bullshit and money could go to a million other cases that would be infinitely more important that fucking bin laden and that bastard did deserve to die. But I mean now its kind of late and damage done to even matter but a trial would be a step even further into the sandpit our country stuck its fuckin head in.
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Do people here actually think a bin laden trial should have been neccessary? I wholeheartedly agree with the us having def done way more damage then the act of 9/11 itself and then using such an atrocity as an excuse or scapegoat for it but really, a trial? I just feel like that time publicity bullshit and money could go to a million other cases that would be infinitely more important that fucking bin laden and that bastard did deserve to die. But I mean now its kind of late and damage done to even matter but a trial would be a step even further into the sandpit our country stuck its fuckin head in.
It would have been interesting to to hear his side of things and understand the actual extent that he was personally involved with the attacks attributed to him. You're so sure of yourself when you say that he "deserves to die", but on what basis do you make such a judgement? You're basically taking the US government's word for it, which is a really problematic narrative. Al Queda is a cell-based organization with each cell not having a whole lot of contact or knowledge of others involved, so it's not like Bin Laden was the head of some kind of military to which he was giving direct orders.
Usually matters like these are much more complex than they seem.
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You're right about that, I don't have any right. But when you personally take claim to such a thing and repeatedly post threats against a society then, dude gives me just cause to think so right? but yeah I don't know whats real who can it might have been faked. thats pretty much why I quit caring so much.
I get it, I don't think any good would have come out of it though. Hearing he's dead and hopefully in five years I won't have to hear his fucking name anymore, I look forward to that.
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i wonder how many body parts were taken as trophys that they had to dump his body at sea. 10 years planning culminating in busting into his house and shooting him in the head. there's really nothing to be proud of at all about that or the last 10 years of US military action.
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10+ years...it only cost us 3 trillion bucks.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-leader-vows-revenge-fierce-us-miss/story?id=13578193
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i wonder how many body parts were taken as trophys that they had to dump his body at sea. 10 years planning culminating in busting into his house and shooting him in the head. there's really nothing to be proud of at all about that or the last 10 years of US military action.
some deck boy on the boat the dropped him off of has to have his dick sitting in a pickle jar tucked away in his bunk
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this is true, because as a fellow seamen I also collect the dicks of my enemies as trophies.
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heh i thought u collected them anyway
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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/porn-found-osama-bin-laden-evidence-trove/story?id=13599025
http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/05/osama_marijuana_pakistan.php
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http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/05/osama_marijuana_pakistan.php
this article is so awful. would it be proper to call the writer a "chooch" in west coast slang
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I wouldn't believe any of these pornography/weed/etc stories about bin laden for a second. I'm not usually all conspiro-"everything's a lie" but really this seems like a really obvious propaganda.
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you mean osama bin laden liked to rock boners and get high like me? mayeb we coulda been friends?
also holy shit that guy is a terrible writer ???
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If its propaganda, are they trying to defame Osama or marijuana/porn? Both in either case?
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oops ignore this.
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also holy shit that guy is a terrible writer ???
and person
Wouldn't be ironic: He wanted to harm the original land of legal medical marijuana?
(Well, to be fair, the Middle East is the birthplace of marijuana, but you get what we're saying).
It's a strange scene, that terrorism. A guy like bin Laden was raised with the kind of wealth and resources that were made possible by American-style capitalism (and, in a way, Western cash), and he might have even smoked dope, all Golden State-like, but still, he hated us to the core.
I'm almost positive this guy is the definition of a chooch someone please help me out
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and personI'm almost positive this guy is the definition of a chooch someone please help me out
i almost entirely identify with bin laden in that article's characterization of him
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SMOKE DOPE
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dietcoke LOVE your siggy. weed bros
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yeah I thought it was disgusting how a lot of young kids were celebrating this... i think it's a gross extension of "patriotism"
It's one of these situations where it's difficult to publicly disagree with the overall sentiment, though.
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It's one of these situations where it's difficult to publicly disagree with the overall sentiment, though.
i think the problem is that while the celebration is really gross and shouldn't happen, the fact that he's dead is TOTALLY FINE BY ME so it's hard to go "hey. quit cheerin. you're disgusting. what??? no, no i'm not upset that he's dead. it's just...hey well...you're going too far that's what it is..."
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He got off lightly if you ask me.
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still though, the fact that his death can be celebrated like that while everyone forgets about some innocent woman they mowed down in the process fucking baffles me.
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It's one of these situations where it's difficult to publicly disagree with the overall sentiment, though.
only if you're a puss. imo it's pretty important to publicly disagree with shit like this, a lot of times you'll find you're not the only one who feels that way and sometimes you can change someone's mind.
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only if you're a puss. imo it's pretty important to publicly disagree with shit like this, a lot of times you'll find you're not the only one who feels that way and sometimes you can change someone's mind.
yeah, i talked about this with a couple friends and I think most people of reasonable intelligence understand where I'm coming from... not sure how your AVERAGE JOE off the street would react
WHAD ARE YOU A MUSLIM???? KILL ALL TERRORISTS WHOOO!