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General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: Carrion Crow on May 08, 2011, 09:52:57 pm
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Hey,
I am interested to hear what you, the site users would want as features in a future GW. You might be completely passive or you might be someone very creative. You could be an RM2k oldbie or someone who experiments with 3D. Perhaps you just make music! If you reply with a feature I haven't thought of there's a good chance I'll write it into the design.
This thread is just to help me cover any bases that I might not have covered yet.
I am designing a community to be the spiritual successor to GW. You've all probably seen this mockup (http://www.eddie.allanwood.co.uk/images/gw7mu.jpg) at some stage or other. I'm not going to be posting any more information about it until it's done so as to avoid progress thread syndrome.
There is also the vote above which is basically asking if the project would be viable if none of the existing posts were carried over. Accounts and posts could probably be migrated with little difficulty (a user validation scheme) but I feel it would be disrespectful to the site administrator to do so. I am divided on my opinion as to whether the posts belong to the site or to the posters themselves.
I don't want a discussion over whether GW itself is viable, that's a decision I have already made - I intend to make it a community. It's not a business venture, there will be no adverts. I am doing this for the community which deserves a greater level of respect.
So please, lets hear your suggestions. They're all welcome even if they're wacky or outdated.
There is a plan in place but I am not going to waste my time posting about it. There are doers and sayers.
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At this point most of the older "classic" threads aren't available to us anyway so I don't think the post history matters at all at this point. I liked the content you had in your mockup, I think it's more or less exactly what we wanted out of a mainsite.
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I've always thought of data pruning as a result of moving to a new version of a site as, frankly, being lazy. This data is important, it's part of our history and who we are, and it shouldn't be deleted simply because we've got a cool new site. That's how data gets lost: people fail to see the value of it, and years later down the road it's irrevocably gone. This has happened to numerous sites and continues to happen.
At this point most of the older "classic" threads aren't available to us anyway so I don't think the post history matters at all at this point.
I didn't like it when a lot of old posts were pruned when we moved to this new version of SMF (a lot of good topics are available in the archive forums though), but it's not like they're gone forever. With a good plan they can be brought back. A lot of the projects that were on the main site might be gone, though, just like pretty much everything before 2005 is gone.
But still, that's no reason to give up on the idea entirely.
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Nah, all the mainsite data still exists. In fact, pretty much everything save for the threads created in Graphic Arts during 2010 is still saved, but not available due to forum passwording disappearing in SMF 2.0. From a security and organizational standpoint I've decided to tuck it all away until I decide to sift through the multiple layers of archives upon archives created during my adminship as well as the previous admins.
The only thing that is truly gone is the backup Bart made when we moved from IPB to vBulletin. He said he couldn't find it, which is a shame, but I guess the original era of GW isn't that important to most of the current members anyway.
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Right now as it stands praying the data from Drule is imposable to obtain legally so it's ether no database or hack him for it. The point is now we don't have accesses to them at all at the moment so it doesn't matter maybe once we lock down the site and put salt world to shame maybe drule will concede and give up this charade.
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Right now as it stands praying the data from Drule is imposable to obtain legally so it's ether no database or hack him for it. The point is now we don't have accesses to them at all at the moment so it doesn't matter maybe once we lock down the site put salt world to shame maybe drule will concede and give up this charade.
word.
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Feature suggestions please!
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Nah, all the mainsite data still exists. In fact, pretty much everything save for the threads created in Graphic Arts during 2010 is still saved, but not available due to forum passwording disappearing in SMF 2.0. From a security and organizational standpoint I've decided to tuck it all away until I decide to sift through the multiple layers of archives upon archives created during my adminship as well as the previous admins.
The only thing that is truly gone is the backup Bart made when we moved from IPB to vBulletin. He said he couldn't find it, which is a shame, but I guess the original era of GW isn't that important to most of the current members anyway.
Okay, that's nice to hear. Yeah it's too bad we don't have a backup of the old GW. The forum softwares we've used throughout the ages is mostly to blame because none of them make it very easy to migrate your data. This is in line with my rant earlier on IRC about how forum software is the worst ever and does nothing right and barely even changed since the late 90s.
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word.
I agree that the database belongs to the members and I can understand some people not liking it being here if they have something against me or Salt World, but it's not like I'm going to hand it out to anyone who just asks for it considering it contains years worth of personal data. The DB is pretty much our lives chronicled since our teenage years - much of which is intended for private view between specific members only such as in PM or hidden forums - and I consider that highly sensitive.
As it stands now, I believe the best thing to do is to keep the DB where it is - which is closed and contained - and if the majority of the members are unhappy about some major aspect of the forum where it's hosted then that would have to be corrected rather than opening the DB up to the risk of being spread or shared.
If anyone wants to make some kind of spinoff site and it turns out that most members start gravitating toward this site, then I'd be happy to provide a solution to make it work, but I'm not going to carelessly send the entire DB to anyone who asks for it, just to make that clear right now.
In short, it wouldn't be fair to the 45,000 users who have submitted data to the site just because a select few members wants the data to be somewhere else due to various reasons, some of which are personal.
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You could omit entire tables in the process of saving the DB. That would mean empty inboxes is a possibility.
I wish we would talk about features and functionality now. The DB issue was intended as a sidenote. I am just going to try my best.
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I like most of the feature that we discussed before and the addition of the like button would help drive more to the site.
As I said before on steam we need to maintain an IRC channel even if you don't get it. it seems to be a lot of members like IRC.
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So in terms of content submission, what have you got planned?
I'd assume you'd have labels or sections for submitted games/demos. What about artwork or musical submissions, that way when people like ATARI and crotchkneed, etc, post albums it could effectively get posted to a "GW Albums" kind of dealio. So basically you'd need tags for submissions, off the top of my head those could be Games/Music/Artwork/Literature/Demo/Video(do we have any avid filmmakers here aside of pburn?).
Uhh, can't really think of much else.
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You could omit entire tables in the process of saving the DB. That would mean empty inboxes is a possibility.
I wish we would talk about features and functionality now. The DB issue was intended as a sidenote. I am just going to try my best.
Passwords, email addresses, there's a lot more than just PMs. Data protection is a legal obligation not just a moral point of view.
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snore
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:words:
I wasn't seriously endorsing what DDay said btw. You're absolutely right not to give the database out to just anyone.
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Passwords, email addresses, there's a lot more than just PMs. Data protection is a legal obligation not just a moral point of view.
Just a quick note but there are no passwords in the database, only hashes (which, incidentally, have been salted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_(cryptography))). So don't worry, nobody knows you use dEmImOOreLuv to get into your Gmail account.
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If the project is actually finished I would be more than happy to see a new mainsite even if it cost some history.
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wipe it all. Year zero this shit and lets start fresh
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Make a thing to click and it open a mibbit
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wipe it all. Year zero this shit and lets start fresh
but...but my pips...
(can we have burger pips that is my biggest request)
Nah really there is no reason to worry about the database. If in the future we did get the database we wouldn't want people posting in it anyway so it'd more just be an archive, that could be added at any time.
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Just a quick note but there are no passwords in the database, only hashes (which, incidentally, have been salted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_(cryptography))). So don't worry, nobody knows you use dEmImOOreLuv to get into your Gmail account.
Since the salt is also stored in the database along with the hashes it's easy to get passwords out. A friend has done it before for various reasons with an SMF database; rainbow tables (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_table) and tigers and brutes (oh my)
My point is merely that we submit this data to the database assuming it will never be given to anybody else.
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Haha, you're speaking as if the GW db has never changed hands before. Hint: It has.
Not that I care.
I've decided that I won't be bothering with copying the posts, the site will stand with it's own merit.
I would like to change the subject now to URL suggestions, thank you.
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My intention is not to "act" at all, I'm just stating the legal perspective of such a move since that's one way of solving such a debate.
URL - well, is this an "official" rendition or just a spur?
The name Gaming World has a great deal of respect and memorability in "the community". I never understood why the url was gamingw though, I could never remember it lol.
gamingw.org/.com are free. gamingworld.ws is also free.
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.net
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are you specifically trying to NOT use saltw/saltworld? Because I still have saltworld.net pointed here (though it's not set up on the server correctly) and it could be repurposed or whatever.
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It's going to be called Gaming World. The url will be something derivative of that, it could be as simple as just buying the old one with another suffix.
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I don't really think it should be called Gaming World for the same reasons we changed this site to Salt World. It's not going to be solely about gaming.
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That's a good point. I think we could get away with it and I'm inclined to keep it otherwise I will just be creating a titless version of DeviantArt.
I have plans for the registration process which will make it very clear to new users what are our acceptable forms of media. Gaming World primarily, yes - there will be an open way of submitting things.
I don't have to name it until it's done. That's the beauty of having a testing server. Fire me some suggestions and we can say how good or rubbish they are when the time comes.
Not going to post all the details of the design.
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do something about the bots though.
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for a more general theme, we should probably name it: www.peepmydopeshit.net so people will go there when they want to peep the dopest shit
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www.wedontgiveashit.net (http://www.wedontgiveashit.net)
Really what could we call it.
www.radicalworld.net
www.shadowmaker.net
www.indiehipsters.net or org
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romanceofthethreebuttkingdoms.com
skulls4skulls.org
I'll try to think of real suggestions.
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I was going to suggest darksteel .org or net and I keep get redistricted to dark forge god damnt dose them mean it's taken
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here's how i see it, you're either going for
a) upload "creative media" so anything like pics, drawings/paintings/"art", music, games, etc etc etc
b) upload game-related "creative media"
so in case a you have a deviantart/flickr/whatever ripoff and thats a dumb idea
and in case b you have a workable idea. so a domain name that says "game related upload and share or something" game database, assetdb, something about game assets. i think thats a good idea.
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I disagree with you about case A. The thing is, we (at least based on things we talked about in pre-Salt World topics) want a site for our community. The idea is we want a site that showcases OUR games, OUR music, OUR writing, OUR art, etc. So who cares if deviantart or flickr or whatever technically lets you do those things? They don't let you do all of those things in the same place and they aren't focused around OUR community. That's what this site was always supposed to be, a site for our community to showcase what we have going on.
I mean going by your case B we'd just be gamejolt or w/e other indie gaming site.
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A great way to showcase art and gam's is to post them on a forum.
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But nobody wants to slog through a forum to find the good stuff, which is the whole point of having a site.
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That's why you have screenshots threads, update threads, staff to highlight good projects and good art, contests, and this week on gamingw.
It seems to me you've got two choices you see, 1. work with what you've got and have it up and running now, or 2. plan something big that nobody will ever use which will take years to do.
It's a community - the key is to do community things. You need community leaders not web developers if you want it to be active again.
I'm drawing on experience here, having spent a few years running a similar site. We had all kinds of mainsites and screenshot dumps and utilities and whatnot, and in the end people neither want nor use them in the long run - the site was more popular when it had staff actively working with the community doing group events and news and shit.
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I think you're totally wrong in this. The more clicks you put between a user (and I'm talking a new user here, not someone like myself) and content the less likely they are to look at it. If you make them go to a forum, find a subforum, find the stickied thread, by this time a lot of people stopped caring. If you have a single mainsite that has everything right in your face (look at ed's mockup here if you haven't already) then they are immediately given the content. Forums are a terrible way to highlight content. I'm sure Something Awful has tons of amazing threads, but people who aren't already into reading their forums are much more likely to read the front page articles. Forums are not meant to be a way of showcasing specific things and they aren't set up to make this easy. We've had a Finished Games board for ages and how many of them have almost no (or none at all!!!) replies?
Also I don't think it's going to take ed years to put a site with these functions together.
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I'd think I'd be wrong too, but that's what happened. My mainsite was never used, and my site was much more active when we instead focused on community events and shit.
We've had a Finished Games board for ages and how many of them have almost no (or none at all!!!) replies?
That's the thing, you don't even have staff posting in them so why are members going to join and do the same?
You need people there running and maintaining the site who actually give a fuck about the content, rather than just running the site in the background. Like, get some game reviewers to review any completed games posted. Or at least do a feature on new games every month or something.
And shit look where your completed games board is - it's a tiny subforum of a board called Advertising in a section that is in with the "dead crap". Why isn't it even in the creativity section \o_O/
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The finished games board used to be part of the game development or whatever it was called board, and still didn't do much better. Also, the thing is, we actually did get quite a few submissions with our old site. Well, we had the site that several people submitted articles to, then that all got deleted which I think is what discouraged people from submitting to the site we had right before we became Salt World. There was absolutely interest in people submitting things, and there absolutely can be again. I know I'll write stuff for the new site, providing there's a promise that it won't all just be deleted shortly after.
Really I think the biggest reason that we are so stagnant right now is that we don't have a proper mainsite showing what we have to offer as a community and so why would anyone want to join???
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I guess. In the meantime it wouldn't hurt to focus on saltw as it is though.
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In the meantime it wouldn't hurt to focus on saltw as it is though.
Are you saying this because you don't want to invest in GamingW AND SaltW?
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Well basically I'm just touting crap because I'm bored and have nothing else to do; and haven't been paying attention to anything going on here. Hup.
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I would like features that are designed to facilitate the things that we as a community have tended to engage in as a community. The forum/irc format works fine for everything but I kind of see a mainsite as a statement of the things we (collectively) care about. So I guess that in making a new GW, you're creating a software model of the community, its activities and its values. The question of which features would be good for the site then becomes the question of what kind of software would make it easier for SW/GW to do SW/GW things. I guess that the best way to help with that is to explain what I get out of the community so what it can be compared with other people's views.
why im here
- talk shit. read shittalk of others. (very important)
- discover cool new things through the collective wisdom of internet chumps.
- talk about videogames / read writings of internet's foremost videogame phenomenologists.
- participate in community art activities such as music, drawing, writing.
- maybe play videogames with others if internet reaches new zealand.
- access nostalgia of past things read but not participated in.
how computer internet software can facilitate this (ideas)
1. forum. (heh)
2. keep proper archives of games and albums and writings released. people are always looking for shit that mysteriously no longer exists anywhere. it's sad.
3. project tracking / coordination thingy for announcing information on projects of any kind, including games, music, social engineering and watercolor painting. keep information on who is involved.
4. make source code available so that dumb power struggles can be resolved with modern technology of "fork."
5. speaking of modern technology is this going to be in php because
apparently there are modern web frameworks for it now but i still don't trust it
6. one of those javachat thingies that makes it easy for new people to connect to irc and interrupt dogtalk / romchat.
7. integration of other related things such as twitter feed of all users and people's interesting blogs (e.g. dicko's) to the front page. much of the community is spread around and i guess the goal of a mainsite type thing would be to aggregate it.
10. these are my list of demands. please use them to create the ethnographic record of the people of saltworld faithfully.
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I like most of the feature that we discussed before and the addition of the like button would help drive more to the site.
As I said before on steam we need to maintain an IRC channel even if you don't get it. it seems to be a lot of members like IRC.
Actually I dreamt an awesome idea with IRC. Think FB messenger(for groups) without an annoying boop. and the messenger actually be IRC chat. it be cool to have poeple log into irc via the site for some semi-casual chats, and the lovers can still hop on via their fav IRC client if they so wish!
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Actually I dreamt an awesome idea with IRC. Think FB messenger(for groups) without an annoying boop. and the messenger actually be IRC chat. it be cool to have poeple log into irc via the site for some semi-casual chats, and the lovers can still hop on via their fav IRC client if they so wish!
That's what I meant by make a button to open a mibbit
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do I get an iphone app
I wanna the apps
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kudos for doing this dude
take the torch I hope you do well if you need any donations to get this done make it known and I give you some cash money to help out cus it seems like you really want to do something worthwhile for the community.
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I would like features that are designed to facilitate the things that we as a community have tended to engage in as a community. The forum/irc format works fine for everything but I kind of see a mainsite as a statement of the things we (collectively) care about. So I guess that in making a new GW, you're creating a software model of the community, its activities and its values. The question of which features would be good for the site then becomes the question of what kind of software would make it easier for SW/GW to do SW/GW things. I guess that the best way to help with that is to explain what I get out of the community so what it can be compared with other people's views.
why im here
- talk shit. read shittalk of others. (very important)
- discover cool new things through the collective wisdom of internet chumps.
- talk about videogames / read writings of internet's foremost videogame phenomenologists.
- participate in community art activities such as music, drawing, writing.
- maybe play videogames with others if internet reaches new zealand.
- access nostalgia of past things read but not participated in.
how computer internet software can facilitate this (ideas)
1. forum. (heh)
2. keep proper archives of games and albums and writings released. people are always looking for shit that mysteriously no longer exists anywhere. it's sad.
3. project tracking / coordination thingy for announcing information on projects of any kind, including games, music, social engineering and watercolor painting. keep information on who is involved.
4. make source code available so that dumb power struggles can be resolved with modern technology of "fork."
5. speaking of modern technology is this going to be in php because
apparently there are modern web frameworks for it now but i still don't trust it
6. one of those javachat thingies that makes it easy for new people to connect to irc and interrupt dogtalk / romchat.
7. integration of other related things such as twitter feed of all users and people's interesting blogs (e.g. dicko's) to the front page. much of the community is spread around and i guess the goal of a mainsite type thing would be to aggregate it.
10. these are my list of demands. please use them to create the ethnographic record of the people of saltworld faithfully.
Wow, well summarised. I wholeheartedly agree with this post. So in your ethnographic census comrade, just put in "biggles x 2".
Oh except for the source code thing, because I didn't really understand (even if the power struggles sound erotic).
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for a more general theme, we should probably name it: www.peepmydopeshit.net (http://www.peepmydopeshit.net/) so people will go there when they want to peep the dopest shit
I beg of you
I will give you 100$ if you name it this.
about the direction of the site. I don't give a shit about gaming or indie games, sometimes I play videogames but they aren't that fucking important. I come here to communicate with other people that don't make my brain want to jump out of my skull. I come here to learn and talk about music and listen to music people make here. To talk about art and see the art people make here. To talk about films or current events or philosophy or anything that is on or running through my mind. To joke and fuck around, laugh and have fun. We're all getting older. I am 23 goddamn years old and I don't want to frequent an indie game site to get my intellectual enlightenment on and I hope more people feel this way. Please don't put game or gaming in the name that shit is so stupid and we've long since grown out of it. Yes I understand alot of people here make indie games and are into gaming and I realize that they're very talented at it and that has its place in the community of course. But not overshadowing everything else, the other stuff, which imo makes this place so original and very important.
shit name it "american magic" as a tribute to steel if you can't think of anything else good. I always liked that forum and it would be cool to design a site out of that ideal he had for it.
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Well basically I'm just touting crap because I'm bored and have nothing else to do; and haven't been paying attention to anything going on here. Hup.
I wasn't gonna say it ;DI would like features that are designed to facilitate the things that we as a community have tended to engage in as a community. The forum/irc format works fine for everything but I kind of see a mainsite as a statement of the things we (collectively) care about. So I guess that in making a new GW, you're creating a software model of the community, its activities and its values. The question of which features would be good for the site then becomes the question of what kind of software would make it easier for SW/GW to do SW/GW things. I guess that the best way to help with that is to explain what I get out of the community so what it can be compared with other people's views.
why im here
- talk shit. read shittalk of others. (very important)
- discover cool new things through the collective wisdom of internet chumps.
- talk about videogames / read writings of internet's foremost videogame phenomenologists.
- participate in community art activities such as music, drawing, writing.
- maybe play videogames with others if internet reaches new zealand.
- access nostalgia of past things read but not participated in.
how computer internet software can facilitate this (ideas)
1. forum. (heh)
2. keep proper archives of games and albums and writings released. people are always looking for shit that mysteriously no longer exists anywhere. it's sad.
3. project tracking / coordination thingy for announcing information on projects of any kind, including games, music, social engineering and watercolor painting. keep information on who is involved.
4. make source code available so that dumb power struggles can be resolved with modern technology of "fork."
5. speaking of modern technology is this going to be in php because
apparently there are modern web frameworks for it now but i still don't trust it
6. one of those javachat thingies that makes it easy for new people to connect to irc and interrupt dogtalk / romchat.
7. integration of other related things such as twitter feed of all users and people's interesting blogs (e.g. dicko's) to the front page. much of the community is spread around and i guess the goal of a mainsite type thing would be to aggregate it.
10. these are my list of demands. please use them to create the ethnographic record of the people of saltworld faithfully.
This is a really good post and your way of thinking is (almost) parallel to mine. I think you will be reasonably pleased. The site architecture is going to have a talent-pool approach and the joining process will determine what people like to updated on, and what they themselves create (if anything). There will also be fields for how free you are and what your attitude is to working with others (i.e. do you work for money/free). There will be an emphasis on helping people to do things.
The project management feature is something that will be difficult to perfect. I think it might be a little too overwhelming. I am debating it vs. the talent pool idea. Of course they could both coexist but it might add a level of complexity that bamboozles new users. I'm not saying yes or no, just confirming that I will think about it and if I don't code it in I will structure the site so that it can be added without a complete rewrite.
here's how i see it, you're either going for
a) upload "creative media" so anything like pics, drawings/paintings/"art", music, games, etc etc etc
b) upload game-related "creative media"
so in case a you have a deviantart/flickr/whatever ripoff and thats a dumb idea
and in case b you have a workable idea. so a domain name that says "game related upload and share or something" game database, assetdb, something about game assets. i think thats a good idea.
I disagree with you about case A. The thing is, we (at least based on things we talked about in pre-Salt World topics) want a site for our community. The idea is we want a site that showcases OUR games, OUR music, OUR writing, OUR art, etc. So who cares if deviantart or flickr or whatever technically lets you do those things? They don't let you do all of those things in the same place and they aren't focused around OUR community. That's what this site was always supposed to be, a site for our community to showcase what we have going on.
I mean going by your case B we'd just be gamejolt or w/e other indie gaming site.
You're both right in a way. If you think of the types of media we create it's different from either flickr or DA in the way that we are more geared towards things that are derivative of videogames. I think a name that is related to our history but not typecasting us as a videogame community would be a good idea. I want to avoid using the word "art" or "media" and focus on something that sums up who we are. That's just an idea by the way.
All these things I have said I'm not saying this is definite so please debate away because in doing so you're saving me a lot of thought and stopping me from falling into dumb-traps.
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I think a name that is related to our history but not typecasting us as a videogame community would be a good idea. I want to avoid using the word "art" or "media" and focus on something that sums up who we are. That's just an idea by the way.
American Magic
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I'm English.
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NeoCumWorld: This Ain't Your Grandaddy's Cum
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?.net (the artist formerly known as gamingw)
edit: damn character sets
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I'm English.
Fish N' Chips
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badteeth.net (my teeth are awesome, fuck you america)
NeoCumWorld: This Ain't Your Grandaddy's Cum
Shortlisting this one.
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Pudgefucker
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Think of some ones that are smart/ have relevance to who we are. You can tweet me the funny ones but let's keep this topic going, it's going real good so far.
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I'm English.
AN ANGLO-SAXON EH!??!
I disapprove.
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I went back through the old name thread and here's a few I still like:
steelworks
glitchwire
also dday of all people suggested bootablegames.com which made me wonder if just bootable.com is taken, it wouldn't have games in the title but it would still have the connotation we want
i went through like 15 pages and only found 3 non-joke names i liked WELP.
edit: bootable.com is taken but thebootable.com isn't
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We'd probably be putting a shit indie band out of work if we took "the" anything.
Steelworks is taken unsurprisingly. I wondered if you can get steelwor.ks but I don't think so.
Glitchwire is very cool (and available!) so I will add that to my pad of ideas. Good work!
Bootable sounds a bit too OS related.
I'm trying to think of artefacts that occur in the work we do.
AN ANGLO-SAXON EH!??!
I disapprove.
Me too.
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I like the -wire suffix.
Createwire - doesn't roll too well.
Makewire
Thoughtwire
Thinkwire
See, if it were to be specialized we could call it Artwire, Gamewire, Soundwire, etc. but It's harder to think of a name for an all-encompassing community.
I like -works too... but can't think of anything applicable.
Thoughtworks, Smartworks, Workwire
Gotta go, will post more ideas l8r
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arcwire
boondoggle.net
overclockedcow.net
siwissoverload
overture.net
freewire
rambling.net
omnicycle.net/org
omniwire
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Also before you suggest a name it's a good idea to see if it's available (http://www.uk2.net/domain-names/)/ whack it into google.
What Vellfire said about the right connotation is very important also.
"glitch" is the part of "glitchwire" that is relevant, you can think of many game and musical things that have glitchy nature. The wire part is a suffix that we could change if we are going to be as unimaginative as to do so.
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I did for most of them I actually plugged them in to my bar by hand
subculturepig or gybank add to it.
sublimesubculture
infinitiboondoggle
Theflush
soakedmop
unripetomatoes.org
decibelicwaves
septicfillter
intelligencefilter
uberfeed
ADDnewz.com
Attentiondeficitdisordernews
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"glitch" is the part of "glitchwire" that is relevant, you can think of many game and musical things that have glitchy nature. The wire part is a suffix that we could change if we are going to be as unimaginative as to do so.
If you think so. I prefer the 'wire' part over the 'glitch' part. The word 'wire' denotes a sort of feed, or thread (kinda forum-y) to hang stuff up on.
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Yeah glitch is absolutely the key word. I think GW/SW has always been interested in things that are slightly off or just slightly different than normal (dragonslayers must think beyond normal...). Glitches are exactly that. It ties in nicely with almost any sort of creative process.
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Hey, and we'd still be GW!
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damn, are we doing this again already
Yeah glitch is absolutely the key word. I think GW/SW has always been interested in things that are slightly off or just slightly different than normal (dragonslayers must think beyond normal...). Glitches are exactly that. It ties in nicely with almost any sort of creative process.
I would definitely like to see SaltWorld or whatever this thing ed's trying to do become the kind of community that encourages discussion along the lines of the dump topic, or the hyrule field/spacechat thread. You can't really find that kind of discussion anywhere else on the internet (at least not in "gamer" circles) and I'm wondering if there might be some VAST, UNTAPPED AUDIENCE of intelligent, balanced human beings out there that want to talk about videogames on level slightly higher than "i think games should have more gameplays that storys.But thats just My Opinoin." or "HERE'S MY TOP 100 FAVRITE SNES RPGS!!!!!!! #1) CHRONO TRIGGER *fountains of blood erupt from every orifice*"
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damn, are we doing this again already
I would definitely like to see SaltWorld or whatever this thing ed's trying to do become the kind of community that encourages discussion along the lines of the dump topic, or the hyrule field/spacechat thread. You can't really find that kind of discussion anywhere else on the internet (at least not in "gamer" circles) and I'm wondering if there might be some VAST, UNTAPPED AUDIENCE of intelligent, balanced human beings out there that want to talk about videogames on level slightly higher than "i think games should have more gameplays that storys.But thats just My Opinoin." or "HERE'S MY TOP 100 FAVRITE SNES RPGS!!!!!!! #1) CHRONO TRIGGER *fountains of blood erupt from every orifice*"
100% this forever
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yeah that discussion is what i meant when i said the internet's foremost videogame phonomenologists. not spacechat enough to contribute to it well personally, but it's good reading.
ed: yeah I know stuff like that is difficult. i imagine that you know that i know. i just said everything i could think of in the understanding that while you may not complete most of it, all data for sw_hopes_and_dreams.xlsx is probably useful. the reason i would personally prefer a projects / events oriented approach is that it is more about the community than its individual members. a talent pool is maybe only as strong as the individuals that constitute it. focusing on what we do together creates institutions that any new person can inherit and become a part of. both have their advantages, but i dunno how you could emphasise community and social cohesion with a talent pool. assuming we care about those things.
names: gracious winners. slight world (#1 internet to be slighted by others.) seconding peepmydopeshit.net.
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i always liked gracious winners
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GDub.NET
GWEvo ? GameSteel ?
All I know is I'll be wherever the community will be.
Like others, Im here to post art and look at art, listen to some great indy music collaborations, contributing as well. and play a few Gem made games (LotPS, BSJ:G, Supra Mairo too name a few.) made by our members. and to joke and talk with one the best online communities i've ever witness or become apart of, some of you I've been in contact with since shortly after i owned my first computer. and Theres some great intellectual level in many varieties as well as a few kicks and kooks along the years. (Shoutout to BarneyRubble95 and GhettoFabulous <3). And I see the names strolling from time to time, Theres some oldbies here lurking still but man if ever a time we need a kick its now either pump the life into SW now, or hope that something glorious happens with 'GW7' Cause so far, our attempts have been anything but fruitful .
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I really like peepmydopeshit.net also dopewatch.net to shorten it
glitchwire is ok
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damn, are we doing this again already
I would definitely like to see SaltWorld or whatever this thing ed's trying to do become the kind of community that encourages discussion along the lines of the dump topic, or the hyrule field/spacechat thread. You can't really find that kind of discussion anywhere else on the internet (at least not in "gamer" circles) and I'm wondering if there might be some VAST, UNTAPPED AUDIENCE of intelligent, balanced human beings out there that want to talk about videogames on level slightly higher than "i think games should have more gameplays that storys.But thats just My Opinoin." or "HERE'S MY TOP 100 FAVRITE SNES RPGS!!!!!!! #1) CHRONO TRIGGER *fountains of blood erupt from every orifice*"
You'd probably like Select Button (http://www.selectbutton.net/) or any of their affiliated communities.
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You'd probably like Select Button (http://www.selectbutton.net/) or any of their affiliated communities.
This looks awesome: http://forums.selectbutton.net/viewtopic.php?t=32348
Edit: Also glitchworks.net is better than glitchwire.net imo. Retaining the GW acronym is nice.
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they sound like nerds but they are energetic.
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Like some kind of super-nerd?
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dopewire
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Since the salt is also stored in the database along with the hashes it's easy to get passwords out. A friend has done it before for various reasons with an SMF database; rainbow tables (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_table) and tigers and brutes (oh my)
My point is merely that we submit this data to the database assuming it will never be given to anybody else.
As soon as you add a salt the rainbow base needs to be entirely regenerated before you can use it. It would seem unlikely to me that SMF didn't do this right.
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dopewire
YES
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that sounds like WEEDNET
i am opposed
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PwnDepot.net
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fuck some wow forum already took that one
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SkeetCentre.net
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paulwallmart.com
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Real helpful you lot :rolleyes:
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steeldiedforoursins.net
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steeldiedforoursins.net
That is really really inappropriate and horrible.
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I intended it more honorary than horrible but I guess you're right.
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The guy died of cancer and you're making a shitty joke about it. It's definitely horrible and you should know that.
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dopemiscellany.com
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I agree that the database belongs to the members and I can understand some people not liking it being here if they have something against me or Salt World, but it's not like I'm going to hand it out to anyone who just asks for it considering it contains years worth of personal data. The DB is pretty much our lives chronicled since our teenage years - much of which is intended for private view between specific members only such as in PM or hidden forums - and I consider that highly sensitive.
It's got posted before about a year or two ago and taken down immediately afterwards, but anyone with knowledge in sql could've used it.
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It's got posted before about a year or two ago and taken down immediately afterwards, but anyone with knowledge in sql could've used it.
Huh, really? Why did that happen? Do we know who did it?
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msngamezone.net is available apparently
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It's got posted before about a year or two ago and taken down immediately afterwards, but anyone with knowledge in sql could've used it.
When/how did this happen?
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I remember that happening actually but didn't realise it was here.
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People who are good at generating logos and identities and feel like having a go, please contact me.
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if you want something with a cock in let me know
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gonna submit a photo of your face?
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You can lock this one now Drule.
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Sure.