Gaming World Forums
General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: hero_bash on December 17, 2011, 06:39:50 pm
-
so basically SOPA will be pushed to congress (voted nay some days ago) but will continue at dec. 21 (supposed to be next year but you know those sneaky bastards)
I believe the sopa has been garnering the attention while ndaa is the slip of the shadow. it's still highly relevant.
I think this is sfficient info for those in the not-know:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwuXNv8fJM
I suck at giving info and honestly I don't know that much but here's something I stole (it's basically a simplified explanation of stuff):
I. The Setup
Most of the time when Productive Paula makes something to sell, she can only give it to one person. When she makes a cake, for example, she buys all the ingredients, combines them in her special way, and then sells it to the first person who comes along and offers her money. If somebody took a cake of hers without paying her for it, she would be very hurt and this obviously wouldn't be okay.
Some products aren't like this, though. Productive Paula is an excellent storyteller, and she holds daily storytimes where people come from all over to hear her new tales. Since it takes lots of effort for her to come up with the stories, she still wants to be paid. So, she charges everybody who comes to listen, even though each listener after the first doesn't actually cost her anything.
II. The Issue
Naturally, there are a ragtag group of scoundrels called the Pirates who love stories more than anything, but love a whole lot of things more than paying money. In fact, they dislike paying money quite a bit. Their friend Seeding Sam attends Paula's daily storytimes and decides to share the stories with the Pirates. They all gather down by the bay and Sam retells the stories for free, just to be a pal. It doesn't take much energy to do this, because Paula already did the work of coming up with the story.
Paula hears about this and is very upset. All these Pirates should be paying her for her stories, but instead their getting them for free from that wretched Sam! Even though they're not directly hurting her in any way (as they would be by stealing her cakes) she still feels like this is a kind of stealing, and isn't okay.
We should note here that some of the anti-SOPA sentiment on reddit comes from Pirates who really like their free stories. We'll see that there are plenty of other reasons to dislike SOPA in a bit, but this is one direct reason reddit dislikes it. And not all Pirates are bad people, I promise! Our humble narrator even admits to stopping by the bay every now and then to hear a story or two....
III. The Proposal
Furious, Paula calls up her good friend Politico Pete to put an end to this theft. Pete comes up with the following rules, which he together calls "SOPA":
- You're not allowed to tell a story you didn't write. That's just as bad as stealing cakes!
- If we think you're telling a story you didn't write, Helpful Hannah will stop telling visitors how to find you.
- If we think you're telling a story you didn't write, you have to stop telling stories until we're sure.
Pete is very happy, as this plan will help protect excellent people like Paula who make our country great.
IV. The Concerns
Seeding Sam is sad, but he understands why this is happening. He was never really sure that what he was doing was okay to begin with. The Pirates are also upset, but they understand. Paula needs to get paid somehow.
Helpful Hannah is a bit more upset. She doesn't like taking sides, she just wants to tell people how to get where they want to get. If she has to stop telling people how to get to some places, she will feel like she's not doing her job very well.
But the most upset of all is Startup Stan! He wants to be just like Paula, he just hasn't been around as long. He makes cakes, he tells stories, and some day he'll be just as well-known as Paula. But wait! If Paula overhears Stan saying a sentence that sounds a lot like a sentence in one of her stories, she can call up Politico Pete and have Stan shut down for a while, making people more likely to come to her. Even if she doesn't hear anything suspicious, she might get greedy and say she did, so that Stan gets shut down for a while and she gets more money! And Stan certainly can't call up Pete, because Pete and Paula are best friends!
-----------------------------------------------To extend the metaphor and explain one of the larger conflict points in more detail, let's meet Hosting Herbert.
Hosting Herbert runs a free service where you can submit a story to him and he will make it available for anyone to have story time, whenever they want. However, Herbert can't actually tell whether a story he gets from Seeding Sam is one of Seeding Sam's own stories or one of Paula's without doing a lot of work. Instead, Herbert warns Sam not to give him stories if Sam doesn't have permission to tell them. Then when Herbert gets a story from Sam, he trusts him and starts letting people hear it.
If Paula notices that Herbert is telling one of her stories without her permission, she complains to Herbert and then he stops telling the story and apologizes to Paula. Herbert can't get in trouble for this because of "Safe Harbor" provisions in the current US laws.
Part of SOPA is that Politico Pete wants to remove the Safe Harbor provisions. Then, if Paula catches Herbert telling one of her stories that he got from Sam, Paula could ask Politico Pete to shut down Herbert's story-sharing business! Herbert's friends are concerned that Herbert could lose his way of life because Sam disregarded the rules and Herbert didn't notice.
-
I steal cakes all the time and that's terrible
-
I think the people that come up with this kind of stuff probably sit all day long in a chair inside a room with air conditioning, eats at expensive restaurants and drive a car whenever they need to move more than a few steps and in general have no idea what is going on around them
-
Yeah, this is a pretty bad in many ways from what i could gather. its gonna hurt a lot of it businesses and start-ups too along with innovation/culture area pretty badly. I don't know who started this but it obviously has a lot of lobbyist and good reasons to pull out for more power for big corps in long run.
basically yo stop dis shit!!!! i don't know if they delay it or not but this could be the first law to really change things for worse. something to keep a lid on.
here's how americans stop this from happening:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JhwuXNv8fJM#t=1146s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JhwuXNv8fJM#t=1146s)
http://www.reddit.com/r/SOPA/comments/ngbin/reddit_how_can_i_find_out_what_my_representatives/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/SOPA/comments/ngbin/reddit_how_can_i_find_out_what_my_representatives/)
EDIT whoa do i sound demanding. well, just in case you think stuff like this won't work: the bill in Russia to criminalize sexual minorities was delayed apparently due to large prostests everywhere. idk if you believe this but i don't care.
-
I think the people that come up with this kind of stuff probably sit all day long in a chair inside a room with air conditioning, eats at expensive restaurants and drive a car whenever they need to move more than a few steps and in general have no idea what is going on around them
nope, it's corp lobbied and they obviously know what they are doing.
the gains from monopolitizing the IT businesses along with another heavy patent-like system where extortion is possible and risks for start-ups are too high. protection of older business and possibly goverment interest by preventing megauploads or whatever being used for corporation hacking from eg China and Russia or even smaller countries. definitely anti-free speech tool as this was already used against some guy who used the video to raise awereness on some isue (haha HERESAY but yeah, the info is in the video). First global-wide juridical example for all western country (and elsewhere) FOR censorship and, due to this, long-term effects on democracy (or even policracy as it is) and culture.
EDIT or think of wikipedia. or any wikileaks-type of pro-democracy sites (though they'll propably go into real stolen information exchange pretty quickly but Assange's theory for the site was really fucking neat).
or music or anything! any corporation who buys massive rights to various abstract patents has the right to prove that you have stolen this from THEIR property. ergo whole site taken down by DNS blocking.
basically, it's more corporate power and to pretty important area ( IN TER NET ) in the future. fear him who tries to control or prevent information from you for he desires is to rule you.
also this bill happens next Wednesday 21 of December or gets delayed to future but regardless of outcome you should try idk put half an hour of your day or more and call your area's politicals who are going to participate into the voting and let them know that you have good reasons to be afraid of this bill and give reasons why this shouldn't happen. vote for people who don't go for this. lobbyists don't have the real voting power besides active corruption so you can do your part to actually to make the right thing happen.
-
all I see it doing is forcing newer artists to find alternate ways to get their works out, ie: Free file sharing directly from the creator. I mean how in the hell are you gonna stop someone from giving away their own free works of art? And this part doesn't make any fucking sense at all: "If we think you're telling a story you didn't write, you have to stop telling stories until we're sure."
How could you stop someone that was doing this for non-profit? Also creative works are all recycled in some form or another. No one story is told without the influence of another. And I know they could take this in a more literal sense but it still applies. Artists sometimes use works nearly verbatim as a reference to another artists and this isn't done from not having the ability to create an original work but out of respect (rap does this a whole lot). So what the fuck they gonna do raid lil wayne, lupe fiasco, or kanye the next time they name drop or sample another artists work? Or is that all tied into buying rights to do shit like that?
-
The real kicker is that this effects EVERY contry, not just america. In my opnion America should not have the right to make a bill that will effect other countries with out there permision or at least discussing it though this should also hold true for other contries as well. Don't the realise that word of mouth is a big draw for buying? Hell half the music I have I would never had bought if I :
A) hadn't hurd about it from sone else who either bought it or downloaded it.
b) been able to listen to them myself without buying it at least once.
-
Or is that all tied into buying rights to do shit like that?
seems like it. another patent system except now they can shut down entire DNS (portals) without a warning.
-
I h
seems like it. another patent system except now they can shut down entire DNS (portals) without a warning.
Though I think we'd all agree the patent system is necessary; SOPA however would have a chilling effect.
I've already written to my congressmanesamn about SOPA, but rereading his response I'm not satisfied and plan to reply. I'm planning to send Spider Robinson's Melancholy Elephants (http://www.spiderrobinson.com/melancholyelephants.html), which he kindly provides under a a CC BY-NC-ND 3.0 (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/), to him as food for thought-- at least, once I've confirmed it's as I remember.
-
wait your congressman actually answered you? they talk to real people? I cannot believe this...
-
Yes, back on the 29th of November. It appears to be a genuine response, not a form letter, though it might have been written by a staffer. To confirm its origins, I'm only referencing the previous letter in my reply, meaning the respondent must remember, or at least consult a copy of, the original.
-
hey anybody who wants to do something about this PM me and I'll give you instructions
-
I haven't read about this, I thought this legislation was already shut down a few months ago, but I guess I don't pay enough attention. All these creativity distributing industries should just die off, they don't matter anymore. They had the means of production in their grasps and now they don't but I guess they still have the power to try to pull this kind of crap but it won't work in the longer term even if something like this did happen, the internet is too good a thing to be retrofitted like that. Having said that, fuck them all and if there was any skill I had, any way I could be put to use to scuttle stuff like this I'd do it.
-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w6GtwOvnWM
it's a song
-
Amidst the white sea of come and nothing I regularly wander, there you are.
-
is this a reference that i don't get?
-
he's calling you fat
-
:(
-
check out the Youtube suggested searches for 'so'
-
you're fat
-
is this a reference that i don't get?
If you really want to know, your best bet would be to do a google search on the phrase and see if a result pops up telling you where it came from.
You better hurry though. You know, before SOPA passes.
-
SOPA is one of those things I don't even really care that much about. Yeah, it's horrible, but it's also a perfectly boring example of how corporations are more important than people. This stuff happens literally all the time. And I mean literally as in literally.
I can't wait for the moment when the only thing the government/corporatocracy has left to do is ban the use of encryption altogether.
-
here's how americans stop this from happening:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JhwuXNv8fJM#t=1146s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JhwuXNv8fJM#t=1146s)
http://www.reddit.com/r/SOPA/comments/ngbin/reddit_how_can_i_find_out_what_my_representatives/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/SOPA/comments/ngbin/reddit_how_can_i_find_out_what_my_representatives/)
Demand Progress (http://demandprogress.org) is another pretty effective group attempting to shut this down. They primarily work on petitions, mass emails/calls to representatives. Joining up kind of takes the work out of contacting people who might be in a position to help stop the bill. You might consider that as well. Ron Wyden, the senator threatening to filibuster the senate version of SOPA, Protect IP, is a supporter of the group, as it is of him.
There is also a petition (https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/veto-sopa-bill-and-any-other-future-bills-threaten-diminish-free-flow-information/g3W1BscR) up on the White House site that has been gaining quite a few digital signatures, so if you have an account on the site, you should sign it.
SOPA is one of those things I don't even really care that much about. Yeah, it's horrible, but it's also a perfectly boring example of how corporations are more important than people. This stuff happens literally all the time. And I mean literally as in literally.
At this point, I feel like the only reason I push people to do something about SOPA is that I don't want to feel like I did nothing. I realize that ultimately my voice, and perhaps even the voice of all the people in these groups opposed to it, counts for little but I still want to try.
I have heard others express the opinion that even if it gets passed, the Internet will just adapt as it always has so these acts of Congress mean little in the long run. I'm not quite sure what to think.
-
This just in. I don't want to link you to external sites so I'll try my best to sum it up.
>Godaddy has expressed support for SOPA.
>people started emailing and making threads on reddit to boycott them.
>Godaddy responds that they're aware of the emails but didn't feel any effect on their business
>Internet people raged.
>Wikipedia moved 3000+ domains out of GD. Cheezeburger with 1000+. An anonymous CEO of something with thousands as well. Thousands of people moved their small number of domains effectively resulting to thousand of domainmoves as well.
>other domain hosts started making coupons like 'sopasucks', 'byebyegd', 'nodaddy'. etc..
>less than 24 hours after gd made their 'no noticeable effect' reply. They immediately 'retracted' support for SOPA. We all know it's bullshit and only a move because they realize they're losing money.
----------------------------
I think it's the principle of the thing. The internet imo is worth fighting for. Honestly it won't affect my life that much but sopa brings a power that is so insultingly ridiculous and is oviously not in the spirit of the greatest innovation of all time, internet. Nobody should have that power, especially when they're doping this for personal gain and money. Censorship in any way sucks.
---------------------
@Dada: it's still the principle of the thing. while legally it's already happening out there,
-
btw, GD supports SOPA because it is stated in the legislation that they are exempted from it. Basically if the bill passes they have an edge over competitiors.
-
It's not about piracy, they're doing this for the power and noone should feel apathetic about it even if it won't affect them personally. That's what activism is all about.
-
Power to the people! i'm suprised hacker groups arn't getting involved in this, like threatening to hack goverment sites and stuff unless this is dropped, hacking sites that belong to companies that.. though i suposes it would lend suppourt to the acts or at least make congress thing that this is neccasary to combat hackers or somthing.... i don't know what i'm on about... i'm just gonah stop talking now...
-
Don't stop talking- but find out more before you say anything else. People need to speak up.
At this point, I feel like the only reason I push people to do something about SOPA is that I don't want to feel like I did nothing. I realize that ultimately my voice, and perhaps even the voice of all the people in these groups opposed to it, counts for little but I still want to try.
That's a damn good reason!
-
~you don't need a reason to help people~
-
~you don't need a reason to help people~
True, true.
Update: Now that Godaddy's supposedly taken a "neutral" stance on SOPA, they're contacting those who chose to move their domain names, trying to convince them to stick around. It doesn't seem to be working. (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2398045,00.asp)
-
Power to the people! i'm suprised hacker groups arn't getting involved in this, like threatening to hack goverment sites and stuff unless this is dropped, hacking sites that belong to companies that.. though i suposes it would lend suppourt to the acts or at least make congress thing that this is neccasary to combat hackers or somthing.... i don't know what i'm on about... i'm just gonah stop talking now...
I saw Anonymous had a video about it, otherwise I dunno
-
yea they had but it's good they aren't attacking websites. the net should fight this the right way and make the law and the law people with their side. we don't want hackers or pirates actively and publicly showing support because it will make for a bad image and as we all know those politicians will use it to make a good image out of the legislation.
-
including, for example, Cheezburger CEO
-
I"M not sure there's anything wrong with public support if done right-hackers are human beings too- but yeah, attacks would backfire.
-
Yo, wikipedia has semi-shut down the site for 24h to raise awareness of congress trying to pull out SOPA. other sites included Reddit, BoingBoing, Mozilla, WordPress, TwitPic, MoveOn.org and the ICanHasCheezBurger network. "Other sites -- like Google, Facebook and Twitter -- oppose the legislation in question but aren't participating in today's blackout."
idk how urgent it is (propably it is since they're doing it now for 24h, senate happens next week at 24th of Jan) but yeah are you ABSOLUTELY sure you don't want to contact your ares congressguy (the guidelines has been given in this topic and in the links, it's not hard) to make it clear that you don't want this??? what if it takes just 15 to 30 minutes of your time??? america it's up to u fools...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Learn_more (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Learn_more)
Isn't SOPA dead? Wasn't the bill shelved, and didn't the White House declare that it won't sign anything that resembles the current bill?
No, neither SOPA nor PIPA are dead. On January 17th, SOPA's sponsor said the bill will be discussed in early February. There are signs PIPA may be debated on the Senate floor next week. Moreover, SOPA and PIPA are just indicators of a much broader problem. We are already seeing big media calling us names. In many jurisdictions around the world, we're seeing the development of legislation that prioritizes overly-broad copyright enforcement laws, laws promoted by power players, over the preservation of individual civil liberties. We want the Internet to be free and open, everywhere, for everyone.
also "YouTube would just go dark immediately," Google public policy director Bob Boorstin said at a conference last month. "It couldn't function." groaannn noo ooooo...
-
lol. yea it's really big but the enemies are of course trying to keep it hush-hush thus major efforts of people on raising awareness.
anyway, google also made their move. check out their homepage.
also, reddit, theoatmeal, cyanide and happiness, and other websites are going to blackout some time today.
-
yes that's right but the problem is this
100% original content
how will you define that. of course someone has to give a definition and we're giving that power of definition to people who through their own admission doesn't know how the internet works. i think the 'freedom' that is the topic here is about noone having the control over the reins of the internet. no one. the internet has been the only place free from those kind of malicious inluences for better or for worse and i think the internet wants to stay tht way.
-
oh well, bring it on. fuck the entire internet as long as i've got amazon prime i'm ok
-
Fuck a wikipedia I can't use it because it wants me to tell my congressman some shit and I don't have a twitter so I can't do that the way it wants me to.
Florida is a horrid state for any kind of right to privacy or anything like that anyways, they're so awful. They're the first ones to pass that bill in florida requiring anyone on wellfare to pass a urinary analysis first. And its like I'm the only person I have ever talked to about it that can understand why that is unconstitutional. They actually brought it up in a drug counseling course I was court ordered to take and even all of the pill heads and alcoholic poor people in the classroom (the very people that bill was written to fuck over) were telling me "they don't want some crackhead ghetto mama spendin' her welfare checks on dope instead of raising her kids and this was the best way to do it". They don't care about freedom of speech unless it has something to do with protesting abortions in the middle of the street, threatening everyone with eternal damnation cus jesus is coming back, or fucking teaparty rallies. I'm not going to waste my time telling a bunch of conservative assholes they should vote against a bill a conservative asshole probably wrote anyways.
-
you can use wikipedia today by disabling javascript in your browser options, they say so on their information page about this 'black out'.
-
the point is to spread awareness
-
I wonder how many people know what they're fighting for and how many are following the crowd? Not that I don't welcome any of the latter in this case, but it's not always a wise strategy. Mind you, I'm on anti-SOPA autopilot right now, so don't expect me to be objective.
Frankly I'd fallen in love with the idea of the Internet being akin to the mythical Wild West. Hmm, I wonder if the Javascript blackout function might be related to the glitches I got while trying to use HTTPSanywhere...
-
I don't really care tbqh. big business wants to screw over people in an attempt to gain capital, what's new? isn't everyone still consuming partially-hydrogenated dung and driving automobiles from one artificial box to the other while bloody wars go on and people starve in countries ravaged by imperialism?? not that this means no one should care about smaller problems like sopa, but I'm kind of irritated by how this is being portrayed as almost the worst thing since wwII and almost everyone has at least a casual stance on it
and sopas make a great lunch so it's hard for me to associate the word with something negative
facebook should be blacked out but they probably think they'd lose too much money
youtube wouldn;t go dark. i mean youtube as we know it would end, but the new youtube would force people to post nothing but 100% original content. not that im suggesting this is a good thing or anything, just sayin.
not sure about this. a lot of the more progressive companies like the free advertising and capitalize upon it. and wouldn't freeware/abandonware/creative commons stuff still be fine?
-
yeah but you got shit like this http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/01/201211871157430829.html (http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/01/201211871157430829.html) actually progressing in india (naked drule - avatars...) and you know, it would be a fair game if you said that i'm shit i'm too lazy (bonzi writes earl's rl name down meticulously, red marker pen around the name) but instead you go for we're bourgeoise shits as if's an actually credible argument, leave that shit outta my shight. we're all in this together don't deny it don't fight anything back... earl "REAL apathetic_david_cameron" chip... don't critisize fool, you wouldn't do any better!...who knows what he's up to, he has paws in many baskets...
-
Sometimes I wish you guys would write in plain English.
-
This is one of the better vids explaining the history of the entertainment industry thinking nothing but money. From audio and home cassette recording to dmca to sopa/pipa and beyond.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h2dF-IsH0I
-
yeah but you got shit like this http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/01/201211871157430829.html (http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/01/201211871157430829.html) actually progressing in india (naked drule - avatars...) and you know, it would be a fair game if you said that i'm shit i'm too lazy (bonzi writes earl's rl name down meticulously, red marker pen around the name) but instead you go for we're bourgeoise shits as if's an actually credible argument, leave that shit outta my shight. we're all in this together don't deny it don't fight anything back... earl "REAL apathetic_david_cameron" chip... don't critisize fool, you wouldn't do any better!...who knows what he's up to, he has paws in many baskets...
idk I just can't care that much. ya I disagree with it but to go so far as to actually change my facebook picture to "stop sopa" in motivational poster/instagram font...I think not...
I DO feel kinda shitty for almost being the guy saying "heh well guess what...children in africa are dying and you don't care about that, racists" but big business tries to pull this sort of thing all the time, and people say the reason barely anyone protests anymore is because we've got the internet to keep us docile and make us feel like our voice is being heard when it's really not.
-
There was some bill that just got passed allowing the federal government to do whatever the fuck they want to foreign nationals with a subsect contradicting itself about domestic and foreign nationals and giving that patriot act bullshit even more momentum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012)
I got it from an anonymous video link so it might be overexaggerated but I can't read the whole thing because the fucking wiki blackout and I can't disable java right now this is a public computer.
Edit: what would be nice though, is to see if this sopa thing passes or not. Because I think at this point it is being opposed on such a level that the whole world is kind of looking at it pretty closely and many are voicing their opinions. So if all that gets ignored or kind of half-ass aknowledged then maybe its a sure sign that armchair protests/passive protesting isn't working and won't make the difference people are hoping it will? Then maybe people will get riled up? Maybe????
-
The armchair protesting seems to be working to some degree actually, according to NPR. As for the defense bill, that's a whole 'nother story.
-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4UA6PA2vIM&t=0m41s
-
idk I just can't care that much. ya I disagree with it but to go so far as to actually change my facebook picture to "stop sopa" in motivational poster/instagram font...I think not...
I DO feel kinda shitty for almost being the guy saying "heh well guess what...children in africa are dying and you don't care about that, racists" but big business tries to pull this sort of thing all the time, and people say the reason barely anyone protests anymore is because we've got the internet to keep us docile and make us feel like our voice is being heard when it's really not.
well, as far as i know the illegalize sexual minority bill in russia got postponed due to protest there and in the internet and... i don't think you can effectively prove that this stuff wouldn't work 100% of time? especially if only thing you need to do is find a number of your area's representative and just even send a text message if you don't want to give a call and give a piece of your mind (especially since it's apparently a simple procedure/only few steps involved)? 15 minutes dude. i'm talking about possible results vs cost (minimal, physical) = efficiency man! not a shit gets done or discovered anyways if nobody does anything out of disbelief.
i can't do a shit over from finland other than VOICE DISDAIN IN FACEBOOK, the only people who can do even anything little at all are you. but if you still say after this that nah don't care then o k a y .
-
also there are many starving children in africa so relatively we don't really have any problem.
-
NDAA is so far right wing and dangerous that it would make george bush and dick cheney blush and obama allowed THAT. basically what im saying is we all fucked. gonna go on a torrenting spree the next week and get every album i need before its too late.
There will always be a way to torrent even after legislation like that passes, don't worry. It's impossible for them to actually stop it. All that they can do is increase the level of encryption needed.
-
well, as far as i know the illegalize sexual minority bill in russia got postponed due to protest there and in the internet and... i don't think you can effectively prove that this stuff wouldn't work 100% of time? especially if only thing you need to do is find a number of your area's representative and just even send a text message if you don't want to give a call and give a piece of your mind (especially since it's apparently a simple procedure/only few steps involved)? 15 minutes dude. i'm talking about possible results vs cost (minimal, physical) = efficiency man! not a shit gets done or discovered anyways if nobody does anything out of disbelief.
i can't do a shit over from finland other than VOICE DISDAIN IN FACEBOOK, the only people who can do even anything little at all are you. but if you still say after this that nah don't care then o k a y .
I'm not the only american here who hasn't phoned his rep tho I did sign the google petition
I'm just irritated by this. apparently people will bawl if you try to take their pacifiers away, but don't care at all when the really horrible shit is going down
-
The sad truth, earlchip. is that not everyone has the stomach to take on issues of human injustice. Those of us that do will act. Some people do indeed travel in their insular circles but they can do good there.
And apparently megaupload was seized now (http://act.demandprogress.org/act/megaupload_seizure/%3Freferring_akid%3Da4641321.802092.Pzv7F7%26source%3Dauto-e?action_comment=To+President+Obama+%28Cc+my+lawmakers%29%3A%0D%0A%0D%0AYou+need+to+rein+in+your+Department+of+Justice.++First+MegaUpload.++Then+Twitter%3F++Google+Docs%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AStop+messing+with+the+Internet%3A+Kill+SOPA+and+PIPA+and+end+domain+name+seizures+now%21&action_referer=&address1=3901+Fairview+Drive&country=United+States&email=jsinger78%40gmail.com&error_zip=ZIP+Code+is+invalid.&form_name=act&js=1&name=Joseph+Isaac+Singer&prefill=1&prefix=&zip=220313402). (I have a backup of the Chain game on my computer so that's safe.)
-
The sad truth, earlchip. is that not everyone has the stomach to take on issues of human injustice. Those of us that do will act. Some people do indeed travel in their insular circles but they can do good there.
And apparently megaupload was seized now (http://act.demandprogress.org/act/megaupload_seizure/%3Freferring_akid%3Da4641321.802092.Pzv7F7%26source%3Dauto-e?action_comment=To+President+Obama+%28Cc+my+lawmakers%29%3A%0D%0A%0D%0AYou+need+to+rein+in+your+Department+of+Justice.++First+MegaUpload.++Then+Twitter%3F++Google+Docs%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AStop+messing+with+the+Internet%3A+Kill+SOPA+and+PIPA+and+end+domain+name+seizures+now%21&action_referer=&address1=3901+Fairview+Drive&country=United+States&email=jsinger78%40gmail.com&error_zip=ZIP+Code+is+invalid.&form_name=act&js=1&name=Joseph+Isaac+Singer&prefill=1&prefix=&zip=220313402). (I have a backup of the Chain game on my computer so that's safe.)
Ahahha holy shit, that's pr astonishing. yeah this will pretty much destroy youtube and eg spacechat, great... even India looks astonished now... if i could had seen in future i'd had dl all the albums intended from it...
i'm not arguing that you guys are shit btw! but just make a honest distinction to yourselves of what is your reason to not to do anything. i understand both of your points well as you should know but i am arguing that the action or time required to fight back legally are really small vs people's general view on doing legal complaints. i'm not in a good place financially either but if i were functional enough with an internet or a phone (bonzi presses fingers against the board, looks everybody intensively, everybody feels uneasy of the intense purple ape) i'd still would had done my part idk RIGHT AWAY if i were an american because i KNOW it really doesn't require much work. you can do while watching limmy's show on youtube for christ sake. it's propably slightly funny watching me taking this seriously but get the fuck outta my spacechat... this will propably affect our lives a whole lot on practical level anyways. idk if abandonware sites get away with this law.
anyways!!! i realize i'm propably yelling in an empty hall right now, i'll stop... remember that good music in 2011 topic?? it's shit who cares. you find all your best music solely from users (musicians, movie guys, walthrus) and music uploaders of youtube. i pretty much rely on that even for my own music exploration/material and i use media uploaders on regular basis to upload my own stuff or to dl stuff.
-
Mega upload? I'm sorry but is the american govermant filled with retards? Doing this to megauplaod is like breaking your nose to spite your face or knocking down the building to get at the squatters. Megaupload can't help what it's user's upload and they upload far to much for megaupload to police effectivly, and worse arresting the people who run it? I didn't realise the FBI was that spitefull, becuase they can't stop or get at the uploaders there going to arrest the site owners?
-
lol why do you think they raid medical marijuana facilities in states where that shit is legal? Cus they can...
-
i don't really think it's much of a secret that megaupload was widely used for piracy... why is it surprising?
-
lol i mean it sucks that the state is cracking down on this shit, but i mean i don't understand why anyone would be surprised that it happened or think that the government is filled with retards or whatever.
What!? megaupload/megavideo got shut down??? HOW COULD THEY!?
-
well we would have raged if gw was banned and the owners arrested because they found out we had the happy zoo.
-
shhhh don't let on !!
-
Sopa is dead? as in 100% never gonnah pass? Woooh! half way to victory!
-
you can thank me later!! ?B-{ :^B :^B :^B
-
what did you do? I at least sent a leter to obama... or somthing, signed an online pettition, since I'm a brit I can't do much.
-
¨:^B
-
well we would have raged if gw was banned and the owners arrested because they found out we had the happy zoo.
happy zoo was on an entirely different server and domain, gw wouldn't have been shut down
besides, it's a matter of degree. type in any album name, movie, software, etc... into google followed with +megaupload or +megavideo and you'll probably find it. Hell, that's what I do! mediafire, rapidshare, etc. work too
it's no fuckin' mystery why it got shut down
-
i don't really think it's much of a secret that megaupload was widely used for piracy... why is it surprising?
Because tons of alternatives exist that weren't taken down, and normally the DMCA safe harbor clause would shield them from this sort of thing.
This strikes me as a bit of an easy thing to say, that it's common sense that something like this would happen because "everybody knows" it's used only for piracy.
I mean, what are they gonna take down next? Mediafire? Rapidshare? Dropbox? Youtube? Legally there's no difference depending on how pervasive piracy is on a particular website, and there's a very specific protocol that has to be followed. If a website responds to takedown claims as outlined by the DMCA (which is extremely slanted to favor the copyright business) it should shield them from scrutiny.
Although I haven't really followed it that closely it seems they might have been involved in money laundering as well, so that might be the reason why they were targeted in particular. At the very least it puts into question the idea of them being taken down because they were actively and knowingly aiding copyright infringement.
Also apparently one of the people who was arrested has the last name Dotcom.
-
i hope some director or writer make a movie about all this cyberwarfare and conflict going on. it will be pretty cool and will help nonnet people actually understand that the net is a 'world' in itself with its cultures etc..
on second thought screw that, they'll make bad image of the net, i forgot it's hollywood making the movies
-
i hope some director or writer make a movie about all this cyberwarfare and conflict going on. it will be pretty cool and will help nonnet people actually understand that the net is a 'world' in itself with its cultures etc..
on second thought screw that, they'll make bad image of the net, i forgot it's hollywood making the movies
Movies are absolutely awful at this sort of thing, I hope they never do. Instead, read this (non-fiction): http://www.mit.edu/hacker/hacker.html (http://www.mit.edu/hacker/hacker.html)
Really interesting book, I have a hardcopy.
-
Reminds me of these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qgehH3kEQ
watch it. it's 100% accurate hacking.
-
wargames was good for the time. unfortunately that's also the time every other depiction has captured since
-
Wasn't that one when that kid almost caused a nukelear apokalips?
-
Sharing before commenting anything, it's interesting. i need to think about it first. please check it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tD1yaE0GfQ&feature=g-logo&context=G208d255FOAAAAAAACAA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tD1yaE0GfQ&feature=g-logo&context=G208d255FOAAAAAAACAA)
-
ugh I really hate jeepersmedia and to make it worse here he keeps pluralizing megaupload
they're not gonna go through all the records and see who downloaded what, and which files are copyright infringing. they couldn't expect to get much money from it either because of appeals, would waste more money and resources trying to prosecute anyone than they'd ever benefit from it. not to mention the sort of resistance this would spur. and who knows what data was actually stored
-
that guy has the worst shit-eating grin on his face
i hate him and his stupid beard and stupid hat
-
he's REALLY happy he gets to spread his sensational, controversial conspiracy theory-level garbage and promote his prized youtube channel
I just clicked on his channel and found out why I remembered disliking him: he does the "fail toy" series, where he buys/gets sent a bunch of "fail" toys and makes awful jokes/5 minute-long rants about them, eg spongebob thermometer...with RECTAL use included :D!? (as is the case with pretty much every fever thermometer ever) what IS nickelodeon telling our children here lol :D?!?
several years ago (ya he's been doing this for years) I posted a comment on a misogynistic fail toy video of his saying how awful it/the whole series is, and he responded with a comment worded and formatted exactly how he speaks, half of it capslock. he dismissed my comment, and then went on to say how I fail at life/am part of the problem or something like that. also got 10 or so of his fans sending really, kinda unbelievably angry comments at me
-
he comes off as a big overbearing child which i guess is why he does an internet vlog about toys
-
and here we got a new player ACTA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Xg_C2YmG0
-
and here we got a new player ACTA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Xg_C2YmG0
Yeah, this has been going on for ages. ACTA might be more scary than SOPA/PIPA.
-
yeah a lot of this stuff has actually been discussed for over a decade in the not-yet-completed doha round of WTO talks. it's interesting that all this stuff is going down right now
-
Sopa's only down in its current form, so no-one get too cocky. Plus now we should make a fuss before the EU signs ACTA (Apparently the US already has...) And Bonzi, some petitions regarding both issues are international, so pitch in if you can.
OPEN is also a concern.
-
Sopa's only down in its current form, so no-one get too cocky. Plus now we should make a fuss before the EU signs ACTA (Apparently the US already has...) And Bonzi, some petitions regarding both issues are international, so pitch in if you can.
OPEN is also a concern.
You might also consider that, though it looked optimistic when many representatives jumped on the bandwagon and came out against SOPA - even those who co-sponsored it - they did agree with internet censorship; they agreed with it even when it was obvious that was what the bill was about. They backed off only when they saw that opposition numbers might actually mean something in the next election and had fewer people spoken up, it would have passed overwhelmingly with more than 2/3 of the representatives. These are not people who care about the internet. These aren't even people who care about your opinions. These are just people who care about their seats and their kickbacks and the moment the RIAA or MPAA hands them another check, they will vote in favor of the next censorship bill unless there is an even more vocal opposition.
Because you better believe the check will be bigger next time.
-
Then the backlash will be bigger as well.
-
I forget, what makes ACTA worse?
-
lol. our country is tryin to do its own version
According to Ramon Chuaying, executive vice president of Universal Records, the Philippine Association of the Record Industry, the Motion Picture Anti-Film Piracy Council, the Motion Picture Association, the Business Software Alliance, and the IP Coalition have joined forces to lobby for an anti-piracy measure similar to SOPA and PIPA.
-
Man that bites, how can we stop it?
-
yeah a lot of this stuff has actually been discussed for over a decade in the not-yet-completed doha round of WTO talks. it's interesting that all this stuff is going down right now
Just googled that and wow, that one's been going on since late 2001.
-
Interestingly, something's happening over here too now.
http://yle.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/2012/01/piraattiesto_purjehtii_lakiin_3200742.html (http://yle.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/2012/01/piraattiesto_purjehtii_lakiin_3200742.html)
That site's in finnish though but a crude/bad translation (groan sorry this is bad, i never knew it'd be this hard...HELLA hard, why i wonder...propably just temporary difficulty at least i frequent gw... ¨:^B ):
Yesterday (Tue 24th), an anti-piracy law was suggested for consideration as a written law (ahaha bonziiiii) in which the court can rule the operator to deny it's customer to access copyright violating site. At the moment the law does not give guidance on how court can interfere with internet piracy.
Earlier in January Helsinki's district court ruled a law that forced the teleoperator Elisa to deny access to Bittorrent. Elisa complained of the law to the Royal Court. Meanwhile, the music producers demand Sonera and DNA (two big operators) to follow as well.
The copyright commitee had a one differing opinion. The representator of teleoperators said that they wouldn't want any kind of bill about anti-piracy to be written. One of the biggest problems of the law is that the internet user can easily get around of the restrictions.
The copyright commitee's chairman Niklas Bruun says that the finnish bill strives to be more just [than ][/than] (i'm pr sure the man is ref to sopa). The expanditure of anti-piracy restrictions will be taken into account by the bill: If the pirate couldn't be brought to the Finnish justice, the one who pays the anti-piracy restrictions would be the one seeking the restrictions.
For example, in the case of the Elisa's complaint to the Royal Court (? i'm pretty sure the text indicates the complaint), the litigation expenses and the anti-piracy restriction's technical execution wouldn't be financed by the teleoperator but by the music producers.
-
so basicly, if the music company wanted to stop pirating then they need to be the ones to fork over the money to pay for anyt expenses incured in stopping it? So in other words shut up or put up?
-
for some reason I find this funny as hell: http://hackertyper.com/
-
what do i press to learn kung-fu.........................
-
for some reason I find this funny as hell: http://hackertyper.com/ (http://hackertyper.com/)
your right that is funny, what's funnier to me is that I actually understand it, well most of it , if i remember correctly C++ uses struct's so it's a C based language.
EDIT: i also just realised swordfish.
-
What, that you've named yourself after the classic password?
-
I've had the name for years, just realised that were talking about hacking and that my name is swordfish, like that crappy film.
-
It's apparently become a running gag.
-
that's the movie with halle berry's titties in it
-
fuckin' hell don'tt alk about titties I been out here too long now I won't be able to focus all day.
Somebody told me that jennifer lopez's ass has its own insurance policy.
-
so it does... umm wearnt we suposed to be talking about somthing else?
-
no
my question is if jennifer lopez's ass has its own insurance policy does it also need its own copyright protection?
discuss...
-
Well I would like to assume that it would be next to impossible to accurately copy jennifer lopez's ass without having an absurd level of access to that ass.
By which, I mean if there really was a way to copy j-lo's ass, then it would require doing things that would most likely be covered in the insurance policy anyhow. If I had an ass that needed insuring, I would be rightfully upset with my insurance provider if it didn't include a clause to protect it in the case of it being copied without my permission (Unless I'm mistaken, I believe the technical term for which is called 'tapping').
There cant be that many people who can take a policy out on their own ass, not because the need for it is scarce, but because it seems like the type of thing that could easily fall prey to insurance fraud. (I mean if you do fall and bust your own ass, how could anyone possibly prove you did it on purpose just for the insurance?)