holy shit chimpout is the worst the fucking website. jesus christ they make stormfront look progressive.Does the name "chimpout" mean what I think it means?
why would you ever know about the air jordan "riot"? that's not even national news. I had to look it up, and it's just a bunch of shitty news sites and a forum called "chimpout"
edit: I managed to find a bbc article, but they used "stampede", not riot
this is where i'd tell you to kill yourself for being a terrible person,
but earlchip says i can't do that to people who aren't middle class suburbanite wasp-y white people.
so instead i will just say that, seeing as how you're from brazil, i'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you're not a white person.
if this is the case, then congrats, you're visiting and enjoying a community of people who despise you for your skin color.
trust me, it's not just black people they have a problem with. and even if you are white, still, to them you're a dirty foreigner. those people would gleefully have you killed just as much as they would any other non-white.
speaking of censorship and latin america: did you know that hugo chavez personally banned Family Guy from venezuelan TV because he thought it was the worst thing ever and damaging to the culture? now that's the kind of censorship even I could get behind.hugo is a boss
Hugo chavez is using oil money to enrich himself and control his own people.Not true. In fact oil money only went into the pockets of a few superrich individuals before he was elected (in monitored elections by the way). He changed that. The standard of living has gone up, particularly in the poorest regions. He also helped start a Latin American monetary fund and bought up a third of Argentine's public debt to help reduce the influence of the IMF, which is immensely important for any sort of economic development to take place.
How do you know if he isn't just paying FARC people to kill whoever states otherwise (which he does)I've only ever heard right-wing conspiracy theorists use that argument. I've never seen any actual proof of this. Chavez even publicly called on them to disarm.
I don't think they'd do that, even if I had dark skin. There is a topic in there about how "gandhi hated niggers" with people posting about how much they like indians and respect gandhi and I think you probably know enough indian people to know they can be darker than some "black" people.
Hugo chavez is using oil money to enrich himself and control his own people.dudes using natural resources to enrich his own country which is what we should be doing. Mexico does what you're talking about and sells it back to the states.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Anti-chavez_march.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Anti-chavez_march.jpg)Good job ignoring everything I said again.
also aspargus buddy its very hard to take anything you say seriously now that you've openly admitted to being a racist
Dada I only post that because I have no idea what Hugo Chavez actually does besides buying a bunch of soviet assault rifles and airplanes and saying CIA gave him cancer. Like, to me it seems like he's just trying to buy approval with social programs and bullshit while for some reason the homicide rates overall skyrocketWell then, you ought to look into that.
Yeah but it's society's fault.I only ever brought your background up because I didn't like the judgment I was sensing, ie, I'm better than you/you're lower than me because you're racist or because you say weird things. that's just the wrong perspective. but you're still accountable for your opinions, and everyone has the right to condemn them and you have every ability to respond to those condemnations like any other human being
thus illustrating Chris Rock's views on "niggas"that is probably the worst fucking standup act I have ever seen. I don't think it was even chris rock's to begin with. like some indoctrinated middle class girl standing on stage and earnestly proclaiming "so what? maybe I want to be a housewife and call my man Daddy"
There are some black intellectuals who acknowledge that black people are sabotaged mostly by a bunch of stupid cultural traits of their own and self-pity so I'll agree with them.
As an example of the routine's cultural impact, Barack Obama directly referenced it while campaigning to be elected President during a Father's Day speech on June 15, 2008, saying "Chris Rock had a routine. He said some—too many of our men, they're proud, they brag about doing things they're supposed to do. They say 'Well, I- I'm not in jail.' Well you're not supposed to be in jail!"how the fuck did we ever take this guy seriously
This place is FIRED UP today I like this tenacity saltines
rofl. i love how you think racism is natural and people need to actively force themselves into not thinking racist thoughts. here's something that'll blow ur mind: normal people don't need to thoughtpolice themselves, they simply do not have racist thoughts.
such as??
black people are sabotaged by years of slavery, oppression, brutality, being treated as second-class citizens, institutionalized racism that stifled any sort of social mobility, and so on. here's a thought: maybe some black people behave the way they do because they are a product of their horrible environment (that was engineered by the ruling elite), not the other way around.
imagine growing up with no social support network, no generations of rich, established family members to fall back on, no job opportunities, no proper education because of massive defunding of public inner-city schools, and so on.
racists like to say SLAVERY ENDED 200 YEARS AGO ASSHOLES, GET UR SHIT TOGETHER conveniently forgetting that black people still didn't have human rights until just, what, 30? 40? years ago? barely a single generation. and then as soon as black people finally got some rights you conveniently had the AIDS and crack epidemic spring up and ronald reagan doing absolutely nothing about it for years so that he could play with his flaccid dick while millions of blacks and gays died a horrible death.
ahahahahahahaha this is the thing every racist piece of shit points to to justify their horrid beliefs. fun fact: chris rock himself has since regretted making those jokes.
'In a 60 Minutes interview, Rock said, "By the way, I've never done that joke again, ever, and I probably never will. 'Cause some people that were racist thought they had license to say nigger. So, I'm done with that routine."' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niggas_vs._Black_People
In the united states, stupid culture effects everyone. Watch MTV for about fifteen minutes. People in general suffer from self-pity and the worse a position you're at in life the worse it gets. There are shootings, robbings, stabbings where I come from all the fucking time and guess which race is predominantly doing that shit? Not because of being better or worse than anyone else, because they're just the majority in the area and you see more of that color on TV. My little brothers GF's car got stolen a couple months ago and they were quick to blame some black dudes down the road but I'm 90% sure it was one of their white-pill headed friends. That is life. People are shitty and people are good, it has absolutely nothing to do with race. And if you let race hinder you or make you hinder others, you are a fucking racist.
This is stupid. If you're black and live in a favela in Rio de Janeiro you can still become middle class through personal effort and by studying etc.According to one of my best friends, who's a middle-class guy from Rio with whom I've had a lot of conversations about these things, this is bullshit.
According to one of my best friends, who's a middle-class guy from Rio with whom I've had a lot of conversations about these things, this is bullshit.
It's bullshit if you keep expecting stuff to be given to you by the government without doing anything(typical victim mentality). Also in Rio you can extort money from tourists so it's even easier in there.
oh, so colonialism, slavery, and institutionalized racism is bullshit (despite overwhelming evidence),
but somehow black people being inherently stupid and just inferior beings who are too lazy to bootstrap their way to success is the real deal (with you offering zero evidence to prove any of this). got it.
I'm not going to sit here and tell you that white people are responsible for every single problem on Earth. But they have had a strong hand to play in more than their fair share, I can promise you that.
aspy look at how stupid you are:
let me repeat your quote again:
"that basically explains why some men prefer trafficking drugs"
again:
"SOME MEN"
some men turn to a life of crime for various reasons (maybe some are legit stupid, while others forced into it through generations of oppression/no opportunities). somehow, according to you, this means all of those men of similar ethnic origin are guilty and should be condemned. do you seriously not see why this is wrong?
aspy, if you're willing to believe that all black people are inferior because some of them turn to crime (regardless of the reason) then where do you draw the line with your generalizations? using your own logic i could just as easily say all men - regardless of skin color - are inferior beings/violent psychopath rapists because some men do a bad thing. do you agree with this? why draw the line at black people or poor people? why not condemn everyone?
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dada: can you split the posts from this topic into a separate one about race? this topic was supposed to be CHILL UR HEAD not a fucking high school debate on race. I didn't mean to derail this topic.That's a very good idea.
Also define racismseriously?
seriously?
this is like someone accused of being a pedophile saying "define underage". when someone asks you to DEFINE RACISM that's your cue to start running away really fast without looking back.
btw you're not by any chance a self-diagnosed asperger's sufferer, are you? a brony? do you own a fedora and/or cargo jorts?? i must know more now.
edit: 3/4 length cargo jorts, of course (is there any other kind???)
None of those countries with super low age of consent actually produce "legal child porn" because they've all signed international agreements telling them not to. Besides, that stuff wouldn't find its way to wherever you are unless you're actively looking for it.No one is talking about child porn
Also hero bash how often do you blame your problems on the fact that your country was colonized by the spanishHow often do you complain that people don't blame themselves for everything before pulling themselves up by the bootstraps.
How often do you complain that people don't blame themselves for everything before pulling themselves up by the bootstraps.
whoa now we've hit the 'i trolled you all along' gimmick. *_*nah he believes a lot of what he was saying, but he also likes to embellish. it's the inri way
Read the topic again. It all started when aaaaaaaaa thought chimpout was something like stormfront, which it isn't, overreacted and decided to throw a tantrum.Chimpout is worse and it all started when you decided to oust yourself as a racist.
Dada, I know that you live in the netherlands, the land of freedom where you can smoke pot without consequences, but stop being so fucking dumb. In a few years you'll be instinctively making the same associations those "evil racist people" make and you'll probably walk to the other side of the street because you think that sudanese refugee over there is going to rape and then mug you. You'll have to actively police your thoughts not to.You realize you're talking to someone who lives in a poor part of Rotterdam where there's literally about 80% dark-skinned immigrants.
You realize you're talking to someone who lives in a poor part of Rotterdam where there's literally about 80% dark-skinned immigrants.
Holy shit you're a minority in your own country. How much racism do you suffer?You're not even consistent in your delusions. Right now you're just flailing your arms about trying to punch anything that even remotely pertains to racism or social issues. They don't exist as far as you're concerned. You even think one of the most racist forums on the internet is just "harmless fun". You're just ranting and raving, probably frothing at the mouth behind your computer.
yes but whether it was your intention to start this or not you have the incredible innate ability to be on the worst end of every losing/most bigotted argument possible. it's like you love getting angry about shit you know your wrong about.don't talk about meta and hey did you ever finish the dynamite game? it was cool
look, i'm shouting at you about arguments. how meta
1. colonialism, institutionalised racism and the slave trade have made a shitty situation for black people that they are still not out of. In certain areas they simply get arrested for being black.
This is due to a couple of centuries of, let's say, a negative culture towards people of african descent.
You couldn't really say what you've said if you had any idea of the shit they put up with in the us. The rammifications of such things last centuries. Not days.
2. If you think a race of people have a certain lean towards criminal behaviour, you're a moron who is at odds with the leading geneticists, psychologists and neuro-scientists, y'know involved in people's behaviour. Also it clearly shows you're a racist who judges people on superficial details.
3. a website which 'harmlessly pokes fun at black people' continues the stigma that they are inferior, and to be laughed at. It is dumb, really disturbing, dangerous and grotesque and to be honest kinda insulting to be of the same species as the kind of people who find that kinda shit funny.
4. you honestly think people here will become dumb racists when he's older?
you're making a massive asumption on a group of people based on no solid evidence. It's like saying mexicans are worthless layabouts, jews are coniving thieves, germans are militant racists or arabs are terrorists.
Man, I grew up in a council estate with many of my closest friends being from pakistan, sri lanka or other places. I knew people of all races, and it didn't take me more than about 1% of a second to realise HEY THESE ARE ALL PEOPLE and I've never judged anyone on anything like race because, people are people. Some are good, some are bad.
Video of nigger being executed (http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?236877-Video-of-nigger-being-executed.-Warning%21-Porn-ad-s.) - topic about an actual video clip of a human being getting killed courtesy of chimpout.com
"I think this was already posted, but still very funny. " - a reply in said topic
yeah inri this is just harmless fun!! dont mind me i just wanna watch my snuff videos of black people being killed whats the big deal guys?? ps im not a racist, it is YOU guys who are the real racists also i was just trolling all along/this was a social experiments dance puppets dance
I generally find 18-19 year olds pretty unattractive bc they're usually super immature and dumb and boring.
And people proving stereotypes to be true. I don't walk outside in the night with fear of being robbed by poles.
you don't walk outside at night because you're a pussy.
Kaworu's posts alone make this a good topic.
It would have been funnier if it was someone I kneweric schumacher
I LOVE IT how people can blame anything they want on US and corporations' interest if they try hard enough.See, this is why I mentioned earlier that you're just angrily flailing about, spouting anything you can come up with. So in your view, we're just interested in demonizing those poor corporations and blaming everything that's wrong with the world on them, and we have to jump through a lot of hoops in order to do that. Because obviously it's not true, and corporations are only wonderful opaque power structures and can't possibly be responsible for anything bad.
I think they wanted to make it more like their african homeland lol.
Voted for their own interest? People like that will vote for anyone as long that person has dark skin and is at least a bit charismatic (number one reason for ghetto rats to vote for LOLBAMA).
Like Aristide. You can say that he didn't work to fulfill US's best interests. You could say that people voted for him because he represented their interests and that he was deposed because he tried to extort money from France.
Ok, pretend I didn't go to chimpout.No.
he was clearly trollin' & i thought he was pretty funnyJus' trollin' is the 21st century dog ate my homework. *throws up hands* not responsible!
I feel so guilty Fred Flintstone killed all the dinosaurs
Just FYI the leading cause of death for black people in US is heart disease (caused by eating too much fried food), not racism, so even if I was a racist and a horrible person I'd still be a lot better than someone who makes money selling fried chicken to negros.
Shame on you, democracy.
Like, stormfround is about a bunch of people who live in trailers and wave confederate flags around posting about how they're proud other people who aren't them invented a bunch of stuff. I'm pretty sure hitler would gas them as if they were a bunch of gipsies.
I think the best way to handle it is just to troll his ass back.
and are we really gonna create our own little fantasy enclave where no one can have social problems or delusions or issues or even different backgrounds? we're all a bunch of first world white boys banishing any gamer who's not like us. literally all of us are first world white boys now, there aren't even any women here anymore and I think the only non-white member is swordfish, coincidentally he gets made fun of sometimes too idk why he's bothered sticking around with people like usThis is pretty much exactly what panda said to me about gw
I didn't even make an excuse for him. I wasn't saying you should unban him bc he's funny and "worth it" or anything. he says weird stuff, but he's fine if you let him go and keep the discussions from escalating too far. he's not like KK4, who was constantly going on rants and humorlessly picking fights and being annoying as hell. idk, I just don't think his posts cause any problems unless you make em into problems
and are we really gonna create our own little fantasy enclave where no one can have social problems or delusions or issues or even different backgrounds? we're all a bunch of first world white boys banishing any gamer who's not like us. literally all of us are first world white boys now, there aren't even any women here anymore and I think the only non-white member is swordfish, coincidentally he gets made fun of sometimes too idk why he's bothered sticking around with people like us
what happened to Velfarre anywayshe left because she couldn't stand drule anymore, as did mark. I'm not embellishing, that's what they said.
*scoffs* ugh, this place has too many white people, it's not cool anymore. i want some cool colored people in my dorky internet hangouts god damn it.it's not that WE'RE WHITE, it's that we're all pretty much the same person, and we only let assholes exactly like us in our shitty exclusive gamer nerd club. and let's not fall back on the asterisk arguments of yore
Yeah totally, especially considering that Swordfish is female earl you fascist son of gun!!!!oh yeah I mixed swordfish up with someone who used to post here and wrote in the same style, he was black iirc. the point is the same
This is pretty much exactly what panda said to me about gwit's probably true
i thought swordfish was a transgender?yeah, I think faust was making a joke.
she left because she couldn't stand drule anymore, as did mark. I'm not embellishing, that's what they said.aw that sucks, v & mark were cool
whatever, I think it's kinda shitty to keep the argument going for pages and then ban him for not changing his mindhi welcome to reddit enjoy your stay.
and are we really gonna create our own little fantasy enclave where no one can have social problems or delusions or issues or even different backgrounds? we're all a bunch of first world white boys banishing any gamer who's not like us.yeah, this is bullshit.
He does put humor into the site, its not always as grating as racism and honestly if I remember correctly he didn't even throw the racism around that often I think this is the second or third time I've seen him do it?oh, that makes it perfectly cool then hang on I'm unbanning him
hi welcome to reddit enjoy your stay.it's a slippery slope!!
I'm not even gonna bother with the HEH AT LEAST HE WAS FUNNY...... bullshit which is literally the dumbest I've heard in a very long timegood, bc that's not what I said at all and would be a moot point
and just ask you outright: if a member of your family or a friend suddenly started casually talking to you about MEIN KAMPF and how it was completely right even though that genocide thing was kinda lame, would you tolerate that? would anyone here tolerate that? because, you know, I'd try to talk to them about it first, but not for very long. the point is to verify they're REALLY THIS TERRIBLE and that it's not just a miscommunication or mistake on your part, not to try and "change their mind" and then excommunicate them out of frustration for not being able to do so.ya my best friend from childhood is kinda like mince, minus sexism and plus being a hide-in-the-hills gun nut who once got arrested for calling a black guy a "stupid nigger". he's half hispanic. and no, I haven't fucking "excommunicated" him (listen to yourself), because we're actual friends, he's not a bad person despite saying and thinking some terrible things, and this whole racism thing is a pretty recent development he picked up from some imbeciles he was hanging out with.
you excommunicate them because they're horrible, obnoxious cysts on society that you don't want to be associated with.
uh yeah this is bullshit. you seem to be mixing together the fact that there's no members anymore with this one isolated incident of a shitty person getting banned. you make it sound as if we actively drove all the members away and wanted the site to consist of its current memberbase.not actively, passively. but I guess some were actively eliminated
also lol if panda complained about the same shit. he banned members he didn't like that others did (rip jihadjerry). i guess if the person is making a semper games joke then its ok to permaban them, but if the member links to chimpout.org and hates niggers we better tolerate his opinion because he's from latin america and isn't a boring white person.it doesn't matter what panda did back when but for the record jihadjerry was far more of a detriment to this community than mince ever could be
yeah this is bullshit. callin' literal bullshit helldump on this bitch.you got me, I'm a closet racist who wants to convert this community to racism
aw that sucks, v & mark were coolI think they were sick of the forums dwindling into inactivity, and they specifically mentioned being irritated with drule's irc presence. idk if I totally buy it but it must have at least contributed to them leaving. hopefully they will be back when eds site or the next SW launches
i dont even think i see drule post here at all so why does it even matter if they think he's a butthead or whatever?
we ban shitty people, and it's actually been AGES since we last did that.That time when I was worried that I would have enough ban to be permabanned. good times.
if a member of your family or a friend suddenly started casually talking to you about MEIN KAMPF and how it was completely right even though that genocide thing was kinda lame, would you tolerate that? would anyone here tolerate that? because, you know, I'd try to talk to them about it first, but not for very long. the point is to verify they're REALLY THIS TERRIBLE and that it's not just a miscommunication or mistake on your part, not to try and "change their mind" and then excommunicate them out of frustration for not being able to do so.
also lol if panda complained about the same shit. he banned members he didn't like that others did (rip jihadjerry). i guess if the person is making a semper games joke then its ok to permaban them, but if the member links to chimpout.org and hates niggers we better tolerate his opinion because he's from latin america and isn't a boring white person.
then again this is also the same place that defended a certain member when he was discovered to have a hobby of drawing pictures of cartoon children being sodomized, and chastisized chef for "creepy netdetective" behavior moreso than the other person for being a sick, disturbed creep with a disgusting habit so w/e.I only ever saw the making fun of snarf half but yeah I agree with that, tho none of those peoplewho purportedly chastised chef are probably even here anymore
also lmao @ jihadjerry being worse than inri. yeah, some guy who at worst was kinda unfunny is totally worth permabanning over a fucking bigot who did nothing but derail topics and annoy people. jesus christ.that was at least 90% a joke but jihadjerry and pals were part of making this place more and more INTERNET which I definitely don't see as less detrimental than some guy posting stuff absolutely no one here agrees with/would ever agree with
I don't think you understand what it is like to be an american...or atleast an american south of the mason dixon line.nah I think it's pretty much everywhere in peripheral america, north and south included
I don't think you understand what it is like to be an american..
ya my best friend from childhood is kinda like mince, minus sexism and plus being a hide-in-the-hills gun nut who once got arrested for calling a black guy a "stupid nigger". he's half hispanic. and no, I haven't fucking "excommunicated" him (listen to yourself), because we're actual friends, he's not a bad person despite saying and thinking some terrible things, and this whole racism thing is a pretty recent development he picked up from some imbeciles he was hanging out with.
and my mom says racist stuff a lot, but I only rarely say anything about it because she has bigger problems
I am the only living relative left in my family that has not adopted some sort of racist tendencies and I honestly don't know how I didn't.
you got me, I'm a closet racist who wants to convert this community to racism
this is dumb. this isnt the south, nor it is real life. its the internet, and the 21st century, there is no excuse for being a worthless bigot, and no reason or need to keep those kinds of people around.yeah, basically this.
http://youtu.be/gqH_0LPVoho
you're only being apologetic for a blatant racist, that's all.
yeah, basically this.this is fucking garbage. I don't have the energy or arm power to debate you on this, tho I know you wouldn't be able to defend these opinions/what essentially amounts to liberal whiteguilt buzzwords if you had to. any sort of logic you could fabricate to defend these irrational feelings would mimic objectivism and contradict everything you supposedly stand for. in actuality you banned the guy because you found him annoying, so obviously you'll get some protest from those who didn't find him annoying. that's the limit of the influence of morality on your decision and this discussion.
the server is actually physically not even located in the US, so fuck your stupid family/south/america analogies.
also
give me one example of you giving this kind of leeway to someone you DIDN'T KNOW. who you didn't have some sort of connection to as a friend or a family member.
she left because she couldn't stand drule anymore, as did mark. I'm not embellishing, that's what they said.
i thought swordfish was a transgender?
that's the point, he isn't some random guy. maybe you've never had any meaningful interaction with him but that's you.maybe he's not just anyone to you, I can't judge that. but the forum isn't you. if you personally want to ignore his opinions because you like being his friend so much, that's fine, but it doesn't change anything about minimal standard for what passes for acceptable discourse here.
its called turning a blind-eye to ignorance in hopes that my non-ignorance will rub off or influence them on a deeper level. Which does actually work over-time. Like I said most of my family has racist tendencies but all my friends are from different ethnicities and cultural backgrounds. My family sees that and they do respect it if even they still hold on to some archaic belief system. They're slowly comin' around, just like anyone else would.if you wanted him to stay so you could educate him then that's admirable (if misguided) but I also don't think he needs to be on the forum for you to do that.
liberal whiteguilt buzzwords
any sort of logic you could fabricate to defend these irrational feelings would mimic objectivismthis is so insane I'm just going to ignore this completely.
in actuality you banned the guy because you found him annoyingyeah.
konix linked to a video of a black guy being executed irl on the racist forums inri says he visits and he said the video was pretty funny.
too much stupid in this topic
leavingreallllllllly need to stop this
but the forum isn't youya, it's not you either. you're not operating under some indisputable objective moral code that everyone follows.
this is so insane I'm just going to ignore this completely.the path to enlightenment
it's because I personally found him annoying.thanks for making a list, it would have taken me forever. yeah, all those things annoy or disgust you enough that you think he deserves to be banned. that isn't the only possible response. and no, you don't have to be a racist to not have that reaction. you know who I am right? I'm not even Farren who many of us have argued with in the past about perceived sexism and homophobia (not that that should decrease the value of his opinion). I was probably the first person here to speak out against calling everything a faggot or retarded back when the only anathema was racism, and I used to get made fun of for my opinions on feminism/against sexism (some WERE pretty lol tbqh). I'm plenty sensitive to everything inri's said. the worst thing was the snuff film, which would have been worth a ban in and of itself, if only he were the one who posted it. instead, he just ate everything you fed him and turned it back on you by saying something immensely offensive, to a predictable result
it couldn't POSSIBLY be that he's a completely awful person who calls black people ghetto rats and believes racism doesn't really exist and all that's wrong with minorities can be blamed entirely on their own inherent stupidity. that's just not conceivable. it couldn't be that konix linked to a video of a black guy being executed irl on the racist forums inri says he visits and he said the video was pretty funny. OUTSIDE OF THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY.
what i'm gleaning from what you've said earl is that you think any kind of judgement you could have on someone, about anything they might say, always has to be relative to whatever their background is and other circumstantial factors like how well you know them, etcsorta, bringing up their background is just convenient bc it should give everyone an instant and easily-comprehensible perspective. it's much easier not to judge someone if you know them or understand their background. I can't bring myself to lay off random faceless youtube poster making racist family guy comments, but it's much different with someone I know.
i'm not well read enough to throw any terms around really, but i see the other side of this as being that because someone comes from a privileged situation then they aren't justified in commenting on someone from an underprivileged situation - and it seems like that extends to just about every way a person can be privileged or not - as opposed to just white/notwhite, rich/poor or whatever - because if you're going to say we can't say what inri is saying is bullshit because, i guess, it's not truly his fault, then when can you ever criticize an ignorant person at all?neither am I, but yeah, that's pretty much what I'm saying. like you can condemn what it is they're saying or doing, but as soon as it comes to thinking they're BENEATH YOU for it, it gets petty and immature. "they shouldn't be racists, they can HELP it!! therefore the subhumans deserve my scorn": this is where the arguments start to become identical to an objectivist's. simultaneously we are human, and this is apparently a natural response to something reprehensible. to expect everyone to be fully understanding all the time is unrealistic, and everything would probably end up being disingenuous and overly dry and serious anyway--but it's important to get the idea, I think, even if you don't ascribe to it 24/7. it's very difficult to make a point like that anyway
-yeah, I'm getting it. I see where the ban inri impulse is coming from, but I still think it's a bit shitty! tho if I don't hate inri for all of the stuff he said, I'm definitely not gonna hold banning him against anyone
where the hell an opinion like seeing black guys executed is funny comes from (come on, that isn't excused on the grounds of 'we're identical white guys so we don't understand').yeah I really hated that too. but I think that was kinda 'trolling', turning the introduction of a snuff film as damning evidence back against em by saying something worse than expected. climbtree used to do the same thing all the time, only with much less grim material. if he was being serious though, the guy's got far more serious problems than I thought.
or people who enjoy nickleback.hey.. i enjoy nickelback. this is their best song yet:
like you can condemn what it is they're saying or doing, but as soon as it comes to thinking they're BENEATH YOU for it, it gets petty and immature. "they shouldn't be racists, they can HELP it!! therefore the subhumans deserve my scorn": this is where the arguments start to become identical to an objectivist's. simultaneously we are human, and this is apparently a natural response to something reprehensible. to expect everyone to be fully understanding all the time is unrealistic, and everything would probably end up being disingenuous and overly dry and serious anyway--
even if he was trolling, fact is that prettymuch any of his posts in this topic would get you banned from most forums. This isn't the first time inri's said something along these lines, and as a community we have to draw a line somewhere. Next week we'll have a topic saying women are inferior? maybe saying the japanese tsunami was god's judgement on pearl harbour?(actually this happens way too much in other places [img alt​]http://saltw.net/Smileys/saltw/sad.gif[/img] ) Say we have someone willing to join this forum, the first topic they see is this.
If I find someone's a member of the EDL (english racist neo-nazi movement) then I cut all contact with them flat out, it's not that anyone is beneath anyone else, but that certain views are detrimental to society, and that distancing ourselves from such views so that those with them are in a distinct and clear minority is a way of showing disapproval.
ya, it's not you either. you're not operating under some indisputable objective moral code that everyone follows.
thanks for making a list, it would have taken me forever. yeah, all those things annoy or disgust you enough that you think he deserves to be banned.
also since it came up nickelback should be a bannable offense - like discussing it, thinking about it, whatever. I'm sorry kaworu but that means you first
so what if not me but Vellfire was admin and she decided to ban him? would you be making the exact same accusations? what if Drule banned him? what I'm trying to say is it's too easy to claim I'm just doing this out of personal reasons and dismiss what I'm saying about how this forum shouldn't give legitimacy to this sort of thing.don't call it personal reasons, I don't think you consciously tried to spite him. essentially what you've been saying up to this point has been "but it's RACISM and that's fucking awful and his fault. no one tolerates racists. are you suggesting we tolerate a racist?" this is the first time I've seen a significant focus on any kind of reasoning. maybe it's been buried in there all along idk. and ya I'd argue with velf too? do you think I don't like you? I wouldn't bother arguing with drule tho it'd just be an annoying waste of time
And like I was saying, you can cut out what the guy is saying and make him look like a fool without banning him. Dada could have changed every single one of his posts to Dr. Martin Luther King quotes and closed the topic (if he didn't drop it after being warned then ban him), it would have been pretty funny and more than effective.or this
and ya I'd argue with velf too? do you think I don't like you?no, but I think you're arguing I did this not because of some broader argument pertaining to what is or isn't an acceptable level of discourse generally, but because I personally don't like the discussion. that's not the case. there are tons of viewpoints I find legitimately disgusting, but only a few particularly egregious ones are worth taking action over for the reasons I outlined.
i got the impression from dietcoke and a couple others that inri was being funny, clever or what he was saying was somehow not that bad, and that was what made me go aw fuck that crap.
no, but I think you're arguing I did this not because of some broader argument pertaining to what is or isn't an acceptable level of discourse generally, but because I personally don't like the discussion. that's not the case. there are tons of viewpoints I find legitimately disgusting, but only a few particularly egregious ones are worth taking action over for the reasons I outlined.oh ic. yeah, "you" was never intended to be personal. you just happen to be the guy who can ban/unban. it's not some flaw or caveat of your being I was trying to point out, it's just because until recently you literally gave no explanation for your decision other than "it's racism, it's horrible, naturally we ban horrible people":
the reason why I ask you if you'd argue the same thing were it someone else is to point out that this would mean no admin could ever have made this decision lest they be branded as being personally too involved to make a levelheaded decision out of concern for the forum. you keep falling back to this idea that I'm just abusing my power to limit and restrict everyone to a personal, arbitrary moral code because I don't like seeing certain types of discussions.
I'd love to argue more but I'll be leaving on vacation soon. then again I don't think there's much else that hasn't been said.
yeah.
it's because I personally found him annoying.
it couldn't POSSIBLY be that he's a completely awful person who calls black people ghetto rats and believes racism doesn't really exist and all that's wrong with minorities can be blamed entirely on their own inherent stupidity. that's just not conceivable. it couldn't be that konix linked to a video of a black guy being executed irl on the racist forums inri says he visits and he said the video was pretty funny. OUTSIDE OF THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY.
the one shit that really sucks about this place is that a mod or admin cant make a fucking move without it causing an uproar. you're allowed to dispute shit and make a complaint. dada heard you, you didn't manage to sway him, case closed. you can't have your cake and eat it toooh shut up, we were still trying to understand each other. and what's up with characterizing this as an 'uproar'? is this stuff like life and death to you? I know that's how it used to be when we were younger and would would write gigantic walls of text and each party would be perched on the edge of their seat in a cold sweat, eyes locked on the screen as they emphatically pound the enter enter key. I think dada would agree, this is really casual in comparison. I don't think anyone is worked up in the least. we don't really do that stuff anymore.
nyway like i said, you filed your complaint, it didn't sway dada to change his mind, end of story. this back and forth is completely pointless. you're both just saying the same thing over and over now. like it or not, dada is an admin. this is how he wants to run the community. it's his job. if enough people complained or made a strong enough case i'm sure he (or some other staff) would've reversed the decision, but that didn't happen. nobody is forcing you to be here. you don't have to put up with this or drule's shit either. for better or worse they are who own and run the site and this is how they are DOIN THANGS. constantly harping on every minute staff decision is kind of trademark gw thing and it is fucking terrible (i'm certainly no innocent in this regard, but at least i've seen the error of my ways). just let it be. was inri really worth all this trouble?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJR-dd7vO7k
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For example, I can name currently active members who are able to get away with making sexist remarks for hours on end and NIGGAS SO BLACK HE CAN STEAL MY TV IN THE DARK-type jokes on IRC without receiving so much as a comment in the presence of some of the people who have been antagonizing Inri in this topic.??????????
For example, I can name currently active members who are able to get away with making sexist remarks for hours on endIf you're talking about who I think you're talking about then I actually did talk to him about that not very long ago.
and NIGGAS SO BLACK HE CAN STEAL MY TV IN THE DARK-type jokes on IRC without receiving so much as a comment in the presence of some of the people who have been antagonizing Inri in this topic.I don't know who you're talking about here though!
If you're talking about who I think you're talking about then I actually did talk to him about that not very long ago.I wasn't targeting you specifically with my comment, but it's cool if you did that.
I don't know who you're talking about here though!I can tell you in PM or on IRC if you're curious.
this topic...I know right? This topic doesn't even technically qualify as a high school discussion anymore.
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For example, I can name currently active members who are able to get away with making sexist remarks for hours on end and NIGGAS SO BLACK HE CAN STEAL MY TV IN THE DARK-type jokes on IRC without receiving so much as a comment in the presence of some of the people who have been antagonizing Inri in this topic.irc sounds GREAT [sarcasm]
:( what's the secret channels???
I can tell you in PM or on IRC if you're curious.I am curious, let me know. Maybe I'm never around when that happens because that's the sort of faux humor I abhor and will actively combat with every fiber of my being.