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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: Massy2k6 on May 22, 2012, 08:53:31 pm
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The last few months I've found myself unable to sink into any new games, they all feel stale and overdone.
I use to have no problem spending weeks grinding exp in some random rpg or days on end camping out some rare spawn in an mmo without once thinking to myself, 'wtf am I doing!'. Now I get bored just thinking about it, I give up before even getting past the first few levels of anything I pick up, It all feels like one giant timesink.
Right now I feel like a part of me has died, the gaming part.
I havnt had any real interest in anything new lately, nothing appeals to me. It's not just newer games but the older ones too that I use to love and enjoy.
Could this be a side effect of growing up because I always assumed I would be playing video games up until I was old and ready to kick the bucket. Hopefully its temporary, anyone else experience this?
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yes. basically unable to give a flying fuck about rage or diablo3. i recommend european board games.
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I'm still fairly obsessive over racing games because I'm a massive racist.
There are some real iPhone gems out there. My spirit for those is raised because they are made on fairly low budgets (other than the obvious viral ones which have been assimilated into EA games) so you get the idea there is a spirit of gameplay rather than graphics for sales.
I'll happily play a game that looks like it was drawn by a four year old if it represents some level of difficulty.
If you have a smartphone you should get Pocket Racing 2. I'm trying to get to world #1 in the time trial lap times. I'm in the top 10 for a few tracks but I'll probably never achieve my goal.
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for a while i was very *shrug* about games but a combination of gt5 and metal gear games got me pumped again
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I'm still fairly obsessive over racing games because I'm a massive racist.
There are some real iPhone gems out there. My spirit for those is raised because they are made on fairly low budgets (other than the obvious viral ones which have been assimilated into EA games) so you get the idea there is a spirit of gameplay rather than graphics for sales.
I'll happily play a game that looks like it was drawn by a four year old if it represents some level of difficulty.
If you have a smartphone you should get Pocket Racing 2. I'm trying to get to world #1 in the time trial lap times. I'm in the top 10 for a few tracks but I'll probably never achieve my goal.
actually i think we should make a thread for iphone games because i have some good ones and always want more recommendations. i think i'll go that ! ! !
also yeah i have a hard time getting excited over games because most of them suck and none of them let you play cool girls
e: i made an iphone game thread http://www.saltw.net/index.php?topic=83287.0
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For me, I'd say my 'gaming spirit' has been a bit jaded. But I can still enjoy games, which is made obvious by the fact that I'm almost always working on a game on my Backloggery. This is fueled by a few things though outside of just enjoying the games I'll admit. However I wont play games I don't enjoy just to beat them and I am still having fun when I play them, I'm just dragged forward by a more goal oriented thought process.
I usually balance out my gaming by constantly rotating genres when i get bored of one, or reading books and watching movies/TV. I also occasionally of course program a decent bit, though honestly I should probably do this more often than I do. To be honest I'm more fascinated with design than than engineering but I still like to program and that is where the money and jobs are, not concept/planning work.
Maybe I could try making board games/trading card games and selling those, can't see them selling as well though.
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Maybe I could try making board games/trading card games and selling those, can't see them selling as well though.
Play more of them, and you might find yourself getting inspired. There is a weekly gaming club I go to, and if it weren't for the great library they have and the game hungry community to participate with, I think I would find myself a much more jaded individual. (I still bring my MTG cards up there every week, but I am okay with not using any of those for weeks on end, since it means I have played a bunch of other great games I would have never been exposed to otherwise.)
Even with the online type modern games, such as Diablo III or the newest battleshooterwhateverfieldofduty, it can still feel like a very singular experience. Not nearly as much fun as playing something where everyone you play with are actually in the same room.
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let the great gamespirit fill you naturally my son
i periodically go through a phase of very sparse gaming (like <1hr a week) but eventually, at the worst possible time (ie before bigproject/job/exam etc), i suddenly have the urge to bingegame and play 30hrs in one week.
so im really not sure if my desire to play games is actually correlated to the quality of games at my disposal, or if playing games is just some kind of "real" "life" coping mechanism after i am stressed
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My drive to have every game is much less than it once was but I consider this helpful and the result of forming individual tastes and formalizing in my head the flaws I once passed over when I was younger.
That sounds dismissive, sorry. Life to me is a process of reducing options through continuing awareness of context. If I begin to notice that randomly pounding the keys on the piano does not sound good that isn't an indication of diminishing passion for the piano, I'm just beginning to realize what good choices are, and that adds value I think to my choices and offers more opportunities to appreciate good music.
I don’t desperately want to rent every game on the shelf at Blockbuster like I once did, but the games I play now, and enjoy, I enjoy them in a way that dwarfs my past experiences. No bluff here.
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I don’t desperately want to rent every game on the shelf at Blockbuster like I once did, but the games I play now, and enjoy, I enjoy them in a way that dwarfs my past experiences. No bluff here.
this is me
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I don’t desperately want to rent every game on the shelf at Blockbuster like I once did
those were the days......my mom came home one time with spawn (psx) and i played in those (figurative and literal) sewers for hours on end w/o complaint
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yeah that's normal massy. just get into boardgames and cardgames with your close friends, those are way more satisfying than games. i actually wrote like several paragraphs but i was in a daze and couldn't sum it up properly... now i just sound smug. i have tried to get into games again but holy shit besides physically numbing you, uh isn't like ALL games' point more or less how well you manage within the rules/micromanagement of events? arreanging when and how click what and how smoothly etc and you really get nothing in turn, just some sort of static satisfaction but no gratification or any actual skills or figure out anything new.
sort of related but i'm kind of figuring out new interests/things to develope in my life but i really dont' know what the heck i'm doing or what should i do... groan, sorry, but to topic: basically Massy, you'll probably be happier with restricting your time on games (if you aren't good on spotting the difference between actual enjoyment/gratification and the videogame sort of arreanging things in order) on certain games only, idk. i still can't summarize this and i'm probably also wary that maybe some of you identify/categorize yourself as gamers which might make this a touchy issue.
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board games rule so hard i wish more of my friends lived closer to me so i could play 'em more often. i've picked up quite a few two player games for me and my friend who does live nearby tho, we're really into uh WORLD WAR 2 DOGFIGHT CARD GAMES which sound pretty awful but are surprisingly fun???
the last time one of our other friends was in town we played lego creationary and it was fantastic everyone should get that game i really wanna play it with my entire lego collection sometime tho but it'd probably take forever with people digging through parts
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my opinion is that big budget video games have to have blockbuster graphics, and to justify blockbuster graphics you tend to have EPIC EVENTS and GRIPPING HOLLYWOOD STORIES that look cool but are really boring to actually play
boardgames have almost no story beyond whatever premise the designer is using to make their mechanic make sense, and you can play most of them with cardboard and stones so long as you know the rules, so it's a lot more about exercising strategy within a well tuned ruleset rather than trying to make fuckawesome escapist fantasy for manchildren. plus there's no replacement for face-to-face social interaction.
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I haven't been into video games for about 8 years. every now and then I hear about something cool from SWers and occasionally I'll get really into whatever game that happens to be. other activities have just replaced gaming over time
same thing is happening to my internet time, actually. I remember I used to spend a load of time exploring websites and reading articles and comments, but now I just have a few sites I check whenever I dial in
fuckawesome escapist fantasy for manchildren
haha yes. this is the game market. game publishers will evaluate a development team's work and make sure it's enough of a fuckawesome escapist fantasy for manchildren, else they'll tell em to make changes. needs to be sexier, more steampunk, more epic, more teen spring break, more zombies, more angry birds
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yeah, they are really good (board/card games). i'm pretty much like earl but i've been giving second thoughts to games but that just doesn't work out. i just feel inherently happier doing something else. even uh more smarter games like civi 4 or idkj openttd or maybe crusader kings? don't really work/really, either you need a fucking fantastic story/scripting but otherwise card games do all the same in a much more smaller and doable scale. idk idk like this is pretty interesting topic, games as a platform for anything (space chat plus other unknown frontiers??) but the bottom line is that- fuck i can't make this without calling all games complete bullshit since there's already exceptions to rule here and there (and especially here!! time to time) and i think they have some unintentional/subjective artistical value in the aspects of them... we'd have to verge into the spacechat/more esoteric/abstract convo about games for that purpose so i guess my previous post pretty much is my stand on this topic, hope it's worth anythin at all...
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Angry Birds isn't for manchildren. Manchildren foam at the mouth about how terrible angry birds is and how its ruining the industry.
Though, don't get me wrong, Angry Birds isn't exactly a game I'll defend.
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Angry Birds is shit and let move on from that.
my gaming sprite is week at the moment since backing up everything is pissing me off.
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Well, I probably play games as much as I ever did except when I was a young kid when I played them much more. There was a period, when I was first at college and had a sliver of a social life, when I wasn't playing them at all for months, but that died down and now I tend to play them on a kind of rotation of getting sucked into a couple of games and playing lots of them, then not having anything interesting left and not playing for a few weeks. Heh, pretty interesting, huh?
It's not something I necessarily think is okay, but I'm not a happy person in general and I think the gaming problem is not one I am capable of facing head on by going cold turkey on games. I think it's a product of the unhappiness rather than the cause, so with some life changes that I need to and am going to put into motion I'll get to a level with this kind of activity that I am happy with. I'm just talking about things like feeling like my life is going somewhere, putting myself into an overall better situation - one that is conducive to the kinds of activity I want to be involved in rather than one which is conducive to slop and also shit
There is also that I actually enjoy some games on a level which doesn't make me feel like I am a festering waste, so I won't ever stop playing games, but I will, in the event I manage to become a happier person, stop feeling comforted by the bullshit they provide for me and have the strength to ignore those games which only have 4-5% of life to 95% of slow death ratio.
Or, maybe the games aren't a product of the problem or the problem at all and I just see them this way because of other life factors. However, there might be something in that I still play games amongst the most out of all the people who I know from this circle and I am also expressing a more general dissatisfaction in my behavioural and thought patterns. Maybe they are connected, maybe they aren't. Maybe I'm universalizing some specific problems over other ones and one day I will be happy and still be playing all this bullshit.
Deep ambivalence and discontent. This post isn't a statement, really, it's just me pondering this and making the thoughts known. Use it as raw data for a hours gamed/suicide attempts graph.
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Jamie, Are you unhappy because you are unproductive? Or because you think you are missing out on life?
But yeah, video games can definitely be a good thing to do to take you mind off of things, and that's what you sound like you use them for outside of just general enjoyment.
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well i mean, you can get your mind off from anything with anything eg reading books manga doing music, whatever but games only ever gave me any kind of stimulus or push to shove or revelation or anything. they make you physically numb at worst though, i actually measured this recently.
i feel like i'm getting to the place where i'd like to be slowly by thinking my life and problems through. i have been doing this for past 4 years and it's probably the single most benefiting thing i've ever had done to myself and to my life.
i started doing it at civil service as i had this supposedly mind-numbing job where i would extend my arm and let the reel in my hands unravel into the bin... so while i waited it to unravel (with occasional pull to the reel), against the generalization i first started thinking random stuff and let my mind go it's way... then as days went by, i at some point started to take the initiative to think about life and life phenomena's and yeah, my own life problems... and sometimes, to get the conclusions/what was bothering me in something, i needed to think REALLY hard (as in it was physically straining a lot and i'd be really tired at the end of the day from the mental effort). but i've kind of slowly become good/better at this (so it's an actual skill! you can learn it which is good) so when i know that something is bothering me or i've noticed something, i just need to drop computer (internet or games otherwise, like get physically off from computer) and go for a walk. and i'd start thinking things by myself like i always do absent-mindedly but now i know how my mind works so i can idk just face the issues and more efficiently get to the core of issues and find revelations.
being someone who'se gone through suicidal depressions several times, once deciced to do it due to reality of things, multiple really bad life situations (even now)... idk, i think the 'reflectioning' as i call it nowdays is pleasant and i feel pretty good just facing my fears and problems head on. i'd be dead by now without it.
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i'm just sort of trying to tell that i said the essentials in my first post, ne? like i honestly think that games are bad for you, for the most part.
you can't tell this to anyone who identifies himself as a gamer because how COULD you hold a prejudice and declare all games in such a way! but i can't help feeling this way. i've seen so much better stuff out there from the gamer circles (plato and the cave...kobold *plato shrieks as kobold leaps from darkness unto him*) and while i think all of us even smarter guys see some kind of attracting thing in this whole strange freaky THING where you navigate in artificial space (isn't this what the catas post were about long time ago?), it's like trying to praise a medium entirely built on so many wrong ideals that it's like... trying to desperately praise artisitical merits in Bollywood movies or something similiar. the qualities ARE there but it's between the garbage entertaiment cultural shit, deep into the mix... somewhere in the mix, between the inhuman clank and clonk and autotuned michael jackson robot, is jackson's soul squirming in capitalistic wheels...well, enough with humorous imaginery.
games like space funeral et all are good and there's some rare games where you gain a good experience (artistically? why make division anyways) but i'm have been starting to suspect that in an alternate universe, games would look vastly different and would differ in content likewise and idk be more healthier? like we've gone through this convo before partially in space chat and i honestly think that with imagination alone you can really kind of see different ways to make this alien object called "VIDEO GAME"... i don't think it's exaggarated that the best 'games' would be possibly done by some of the people here in SW, there's just enough outsider view to the whole ugly thing. but idk, the whole ambition of being Memorable Artist is really damaging/bullshit culture and ragnar's probably the most saniest/healthiest person in the whole forum and the forum COLLAPSES unto itself andto (mayhaps a new eng word...) a black void.
EDIT like i DON'T want to overrun the gamers in this forum or this topic alright?? but i'm kinda trying to relate my own experience's. i like some older games a lot and the boardgames just are hella fucking good than any real games (maybe beat'em'ups with a good game/good mechanics eg sf4 or dota but those are much less satistfyign substitutes for a great game mechanics these games offer) and i'm obviously interested in more artistic value in them BUT i've kept up with modern games! i somewhat know pretty well what have been appearing till last year (ended our subscription for this good finnish gaming magazine) and i still kinda know what are up and coming... and it's all been really boring.
EDIEDIT im just vomitin this article here.... BAAARFFF!!! http://tjfixman.wordpress.com/2012/05/28/why-screenwriters-fail-at-game-writing/ (http://tjfixman.wordpress.com/2012/05/28/why-screenwriters-fail-at-game-writing/) i don't say if i agree or not but some insight into the job
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"This past weekend we attended the Reubens down in Las Vegas. Tycho could not make it but I went down with Robert and our ladies to see what it was all about. On Friday the girls hung out on the strip while Robert and I went to check out the panels. The first one we walked into was something like “how I got two million dollars in free advertising!” Robert and I sat down and almost immediately we were uncomfortable. I’m not going to say the guy’s name because the entire focus of his talk was how he is able to get free publicity all over the place. I’d rather not give him anymore since I think he is a shameless monster. He showed some videos of himself on various local morning news shows circa 1989 and explained that you should always be trying to tie yourself to local news events in order to get on tv. He told us all a story about how “excited” he was when Elizabeth Taylor died because his wife’s family had some photos of the actress as a young girl. He ran to the papers with these on the day she died and used them to promote his animation business. It was at this point that Robert and I stood up and walked out. " 'this rules' ~ velfarre check
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The problem is a lot of game designers (indie or corporate products) are just not inventive. I have issues with suits who have no passion for games dictating things that they are unfamiliar with. Sure, funding is necessary for games to be produced but it's almost like a catch 22. I've seen game franchises that get shelved (why?), developing teams that have a proven track record get disband, or like the core members leave because of problems with management. It's very common, there's a disconnect between the developers and their funders. Good games do NOT need large teams, a lot of extremely good game developers of the past have gone on saying that too many members is counter productive. Square has almost 100+ people working on titles such as FF13 / FF13-2 and that series is a mess. When money comes into play, a lot of shit goes to hell. It's not just games this is something seen in many mediums. Take a look at mainstream music or movies or *gasp* anime.
How many times have you heard good games in development that get altered (FF12 comes to mind) against the development team wishes and then later the development team is ostracized for poor sales (LOL). Another similar practice is when dev teams are forced to release a game earlier then intended, rushed releases would obviously be susceptible to balance issues like bugs / poor game design.
There are a lot companies making bad games, bad games STILL bring in lots of monies. Bioware needs to hire better writers and come up with new gameplay mechanics. Dragon Age was garbage and ME3 has possibly the worst writing I ever seen in my life.
Skyrim is endless sea of nothing, it has some good attributes but there's still a lots of nothing! Capcom competes with itself (lol) by releasing infinite versions of the same game. They also lie, do shady shit like lock characters on a disc, which forces players to those characters when they already bought the disc. Capcom also has no competitors, they compete with themselves in the fighting game genre basically. A lot of their games have broken gameplay mechanics / balance and don't even beyond this they don't offer anything new.
What happened to the amazing teams at Square that made the best games? What happened to Inafano at Capcom? What happened to COUNTLESS development teams that dealt with EA? Nothing good, just a bunch of horror stories that apparently is the "norm" in the game industry. Games became a very very profitable business. You can put $4 million into a game and get over 10-20x as much money in return. And when fans keep buying games like Call of Duty and support companies with shady business practices, it'll only get worst. There is nothing that stops suits from doing whatever the hell they want.
Thankfully, the gamers are slowly realizing the state of games, well some are at least lol. Again, I'm not saying all games are bad. I'm saying that the conditions a lot of games are being developed under and the fact that the people in funding these "products" lack passion, skill, or experience.
I haven't even mentioned Jrpg games by the way, the same game mechanics you seen since 20+ years ago only with 10,000 more loli or moe action. Don't get me wrong there are good games out there, just much much far out in between then the old days. Like maybe 1 game a year if you're lucky.
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Outerlight is one of the few game dev companies I've seen do anything interesting within the past few years, but they were fucked over by the publishers in the exact same way Ghost described above. Ubisoft, after tinkering with Outerlight's latest game and ordering the development team to make it "sexier, and more teen spring break", then decided to not advertise its release at all and sell it for $4, rather than $10 or $15. this made it impossible for Outerlight to turn a profit, and effectively forced the company to go under
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as the dead spirit says 'the spirit is dead'
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I still enjoy games, but typically only those in which I'm interacting with actual, live people. Diablo 3 with friends, physical board games (eurogames rock), even Modern Warfare online, etc. Anything that involves some kind of social exchange beyond sitting in a dark room for hours playing some mediocre jRPG like I did in high school.
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yes. basically unable to give a flying fuck about rage or diablo3. i recommend european board games.
Agreed. Diablo 3 was a total disappointment.
I got myself a decent gaming PC and a PS3. This summer was supposed to be "The Return of the Videogames", but instead.. I find myself raging all the time. FF13 totally sucks. Sure it looks and sounds pretty, but everytime I play it I have to stop once in a while, just in case I might puke.
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Hello Pulits!
But yeah this year hasn't seen to many great games really in comparison to the past years and this years E3 REALLY SUCKED.
But I think its probably just a low that will turn into a high eventually. And anyway, I have such a large backlog from past years that I'm OK with this. Trying to catch up.