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Title: Python
Post by: Swordfish on August 23, 2012, 08:45:44 pm: I've decided to learn Python (especialy stackless) since it looks really interesting but the IDLE IDE that comes with 2.7 is not user friendly, There's a way to intergrate python and VS 2008 but I can't seem to get it to work. any one know anything about this?
Title: Python
Post by: goldenratio on August 23, 2012, 08:56:32 pm: That's funny, I was recently looking at this: http://pytools.codeplex.com/

Though it's for 2010, it might work with 2010 Express.

They also link to this page: https://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/develop/python/, which might contain some useful info for you.

I'm sure you're in love with Visual Studio (like me), so any other IDE just won't really cut it, but I've seen good things about Komodo IDE and of course the ever-famous Eclipse.
Title: Python
Post by: hero_bash on August 23, 2012, 10:03:43 pm: I didn't know you could use it with VS. Anyway I would second Eclipse that's what I use and it works well with python.
Title: Python
Post by: goldenratio on August 23, 2012, 11:05:44 pm: Do you know about IronPython? It's pretty cool, and obviously can be used in VS if you have it all installed and whatnot. I've never used IronPython (or IronRuby) but the fact that they exist is pretty neat. I've also looked at Boo some, and thought about using it as an embedded scripting language in like an XNA game or something.
Title: Python
Post by: Swordfish on August 24, 2012, 12:41:15 pm: nevermind Eclipse, I've heard bad things about it, it's fat, clunky and horrible to use, built on the JAVA VM if I remember correctly. Iron python was one I was thinking about but you have to faf about abit to get it to work, and what your talking about won't work with express, the limitations won't let Ironpython work properly. Guess I'll just have to bite the bullet and download that 400mb shell program. https://ironpythonstudio.codeplex.com/ (https://ironpythonstudio.codeplex.com/)
The main version of python I want to learn is Stackless, I read about some cool things about it on EVE online dev blog that just got me interested.
There's two versions of the shell thing, one is intergrated (with VS) and one is isolated which opens a seprate instance for each instance of tools you have.
Title: Python
Post by: Biggles on August 25, 2012, 05:55:45 am: my ide: between 2 and 6 terminals, text editor, tiling wm. the only ide that looks to be remotely appealing aside from this (in my view) is light table (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ibdknox/light-table). the reason I prefer to work like this is that it's easy to set up different workspaces for different tasks. at work, I have one terminal doing behind the scenes auto-compilation of various bits and pieces and running my test server. on my game project, i have a series of command-line tools for various tasks, and am increasingly building development tools into the game code itself (map editor, etc). i guess that this reflects that my programming life rarely ever involves tasks that are just about programming. the big weakness is (some kinds of) refactoring, which i likely call on eclipse for. but i'm not happy about it.

anyways i don't know anything about visual studio but now you know how the other half lives. have fun with python, it's a neat language.
Title: Python
Post by: goldenratio on August 25, 2012, 07:30:37 pm: Yeah to be honest, I don't feel like python really needs an IDE, at all. It can be annoying to flip back and forth between a text editor and command line, but after you get the hang of python you tend to write decently big chunks at a time, and it usually works without having to iteratively test every couple lines.

I use SublimeText (http://www.sublimetext.com/) as my main text editor, and it has enough intellisense/autocompletion for python (as well as bundles and stuff) that it tends to work just fine, though I've never worked on any project larger than 3-4 files/modules.
Title: Python
Post by: Swordfish on August 28, 2012, 08:53:09 am: Light table looks awesome, is going to be free/opensource?
Title: Python
Post by: hero_bash on August 28, 2012, 09:06:57 am: Preliminarily, we're thinking licenses will be based on a "pay what you can/what you believe it is worth" model for individuals.
Title: Python
Post by: Swordfish on September 08, 2012, 08:59:28 pm: I see, sounds awesome, thanks for the info.
Title: Python
Post by: Spear97 on October 28, 2012, 06:22:10 am: Personally, I found IDLE to be about as user-friendly as it gets, especially when just learning the language. I don't really use an IDE for writing python (is it necessary?) I just run Sublime in Ubuntu and run scripts in the terminal. Then again, I rarely use Python in windows, since I prefer C#.
Title: Python
Post by: Biggles on October 28, 2012, 07:13:56 am: Quote from: Spear97 on October 28, 2012, 06:22:10 am
I don't really use an IDE for writing python (is it necessary?)
short answer: you need a decent development environment but it doesn't have to be integrated. it depends much more on the size and duration of the project than what language you working in, though.