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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: Swordfish on October 31, 2012, 08:01:30 pm
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For any one who didn't know (and I didn't know untill I just watched it 5 mins ago) This is a show where Derren_Brown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derren_Brown) convinces a guy that he is in an apocalypse. I've watched it and I have to say It's brilliant, What makes it interesting is that becuase the guy thinks it's all real we get to see how some one in that kind of situation would REALLY act as selfless as some movies have shown people as being? When watching it
I got a kind of Truman Show feel to it and I was thinking this could be a precurser that kind of show where we convince people that some event has taken place "such as the apocalypse" and we get to see REAL human reactions. Still, now that one show like it has happend I think it would be difficult to do it again, unless you get people from a place that has only limited interaction with such things, otherwise it might make them (the target) suspicious.
p.s. for those that think the actor was fake: Clicky
(http://derrenbrown.co.uk/steven-and-karl/)
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This sounds like The Colony but not nearly as excellent.
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This sounds like The Colony but not nearly as excellent.
It's differant, The colony Is A) a reality tv show and B) the people in it are volunteers; in Derren Brown Apocalypse, the guy doesn't know it's all fake and thats what makes it all interesting since he belives it's all real, we get to see REAL reactions to situations, becuase The colony is a voluntrary thing the people know that if anything goes REALLY wrong then they will get an ambulence or somthing, this guy doesn't.
EDIT: that said, I will probably watch Colany, so thanks for that, sounds really interesting.
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The Colony is a show in which everyone in it is an actor, they all know they're actors, they're BAD actors, but they really, really want you to believe that they believe in it.
And it is fucking great TV.
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Am I the only one who refuses to believe anything a mentalist dude says?
Oh sure, dude whose entire career is convincing people of lies, I believe you that this show is real.
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I don't know about whether mentalists lie or not as I've never experianced it for myself and since I only have video clips and tv shows I will give the benefit of the doubt.
Still even if it's Fake, it's still pretty good and to be honest I want to belive it's real since for me that makes the show good and I can't wait for part 2.
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this show is good
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I watched the first episode and it was really fun in the same way The Colony is really fun, but it's absolutely 100% fake. It's like The Colony if The Colony was equally staged but ten times more pretentious (because of the whole WE MUST SHOW STEVEN WHAT HE WAS MISSING IN HIS LIFE). But if you think it's real then you must think Derren Brown is literally a wizard because he cast a magic sleep spell on Steven as part of transporting him to the hospital. Not like a slow hypnotism type thing, he literally runs up on him, covers his eyes and yells "SLEEP" and he just flops forward.
But yeah in a really goofy Colony-esque way this was p. entertaining.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAkorUOz400&feature=related
rapid inductions work on surprise. when the brain is confused it will obey strong simple commands like SLEEP.
that shit works and it's all real, vell. ( i am a fan of hypnosis and stuff )
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If you want to know how people would theoretically act during an apocolyptic event then just look at photographs and read through the hurricane katrina aftermath or any other natural/national disaster event.
Sadly people GENERALLY act on their basic animal instincts and do selfish stupid shit it takes a very mentally strong and determined person to fight that and not act like a piece of shit because piece of shit is the easiest way to deal with it.
Also I tried to watch the colony once but it was complete garbage. Lol assault on raggedy assed shanty town by a gang of post apocolyptic biker thugs, jimmy rigged flame thrower that barely workes and all kinds of clubs and shit yet they all manage to get out scott free of scrapes and bruises that shit is garbage.
I really wish someone would approach this kind of thing with a "survivorman" aspect and actually educate while entertaining instead of the melodramatic garbage reality tv keeps pumping out.
TONIGHT...........ON DISCOVERY.............A COUPLE..........IN THE WILD.......................SURVIVING!
honey I found this wild leaf we can use to wipe our asses
HEY DUMBASS THATS POISON IVY
*cries
que shit I love lucy theme song
or bear grylis.......I hate him................
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Sadly people GENERALLY act on their basic animal instincts and do selfish stupid shit it takes a very mentally strong and determined person to fight that and not act like a piece of shit because piece of shit is the easiest way to deal with it.
So clearly a 11ish (I'm guessing here) year old girl would be 80% calm and know her way around a hospital, leading this manchild around. And of course he'd suddenly for the first time ever stop being selfish and help her out. And also not really freak out either.
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A while ago Derren Brown supposedly guessed the lottery numbers before they were announced, he promised to tell people how he did it but then he revealed some clearly made up pseudosciencey bullshit about "the wisdom of crowds". I lost any respect I had for the guy after that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derren_Brown:_The_Events#Event_1:_How_to_Win_the_Lottery (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derren_Brown:_The_Events#Event_1:_How_to_Win_the_Lottery)
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So clearly a 11ish (I'm guessing here) year old girl would be 80% calm and know her way around a hospital, leading this manchild around. And of course he'd suddenly for the first time ever stop being selfish and help her out. And also not really freak out either.
he'd probably smack her over the head with a bed pan and saw off her left arm and try heating it over an unplugged bunson burner whilst shitting and pissing all over himself sobbing and shaking like he'd had a bad case of cerebral palsy.
lets change this topic to REAL survivalism though because that shit is hella interesting and I love learning about it and learn alot about it with my job as well as reading about it at home and watching non-horrible television shows (dual-survivor and survivorman) that les shroud or whatever his name is that does survivorman has a new show that came out 2011 I haven't seen it yet though.
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he'd probably smack her over the head with a bed pan and saw off her left arm and try heating it over an unplugged bunson burner whilst shitting and pissing all over himself sobbing and shaking like he'd had a bad case of cerebral palsy.
lets change this topic to REAL survivalism though because that shit is hella interesting and I love learning about it and learn alot about it with my job as well as reading about it at home and watching non-horrible television shows (dual-survivor and survivorman) that les shroud or whatever his name is that does survivorman has a new show that came out 2011 I haven't seen it yet though.
How do you feel about One Car Too Far?
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Watched the second part, whilst I don't know if it was staged or not, I don't care. What I wanted was a show that showed me a glimpes into a reality such as the one they were trying to portray and so long as I suspend disbelief it is real for me and that's good enough, it was enjoyable and I hope they do more and I will definately watch colany (so long as the reality TV part of it is smaller then the "post apocalyptic survival" part) , even if it's staged simply becuase it's as close to real simulation as It's going to get.
Whatever, it was suposed to entertain and it did just what it said on the tin, I was entertained so I got what I wanted out of it.
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but what you're not getting is that kinda shit isn't real. Thats not how people really survive. Its a horrifying and terrible situation to be in and it tests you on every cellular level of your entire being! its not a friggin disney chanel experience where hell yeah you find conveniently insightful companionship and learn shit about yourself and in the end yadayaddayadda.
Its more like "the road" except when dad dies and that kid either gets torn apart by wolves or the rapist cannibles catch him right before daddy closes his eyes.
If the average unexperienced and unprepared person (we're not even talking dysfunctionally stupid, ignorant, selfish or physically at a disadvantage either) is put in that kind of situation they'd be incredibly lucky to survive physically intact let alone with a mind not pemenantly damaged by post traumatic stress.
There are many many different aspects to survival. Your environment, your physical wellbeing, your mental condition, whether you're alone or not which depending on where you are and who you're with could make the situation that much better or worse.
IE: if you're in a kind of environment naturally void of the resources necessary to survive, the more people you have with you the harder it is. While at the same time if you were in a kind of environment that was easy to manipulate to your advantage being with a fuckload of inexperienced, immature, and stupid people could kill you faster than anything else.
And then you have assholes like bear grylis who go cliff jumping and dumbshit and who use all kinds of complex skill sets that only a seasoned disciplined survivalist or army ranger commando would even be capable of ATTEMPTING to use let alone actually successfully survive off of.
Bear Grylis is probably killing more people than he is helping unless the people watching his tv show actually have enough common sense to not go fuckin grand canyon crevice shimmy climbing up a 150 ft dead drop. There is some useful stuff in there but its pretty far between superman sky diving into greenland or whateverthefuck.
I can make a topic exclusively about survivalism and survivalist techniques that I learned from school, reading, good tv, and people I worked with who actually had to use that shit or like doing it recreationally if anyone is remotely interested and don't wanna muddle it up with fantasy reality shows. I'm still pretty novice at it myself but I'm planning on starting to actually practice it and train for it in a nearby national reserve where I live and then actually traveling and practicing it if I like doing it. I've been through several catagory 3, 4 and whatever the highest hurricane levels are and had to actually do some stuff with my family when I was a kid growing up and we did some of the basic things you do when you lose power, water, and communication and we've had to do it for up to several weeks at a time. But I learned alot of the more complex forms of survivalism after the fact and with my work because water survival is pretty much the hardest form of survival there is next to being stuck in a friggin desert.
How do you feel about One Car Too Far?
Whats it about I can't remember if I've seen it by name. I've watched "I shouldn't be alive" a couple times and thats a really good one too.
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No but what you aren't understanding is that a fuckin zombie outbreak would cause a ~21 year old manchild to grow up and learn to appreciate his parents more.
This show is really fun for TV PURPOSES but seriously it's no different than The Colony on the level of How Hard They're Trying To Push Really Hilariously Bad Bullshit On You. For me that's the whole appeal, watching them try so hard to convince me of something so dumb.
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@MOPE: and what you don't seem to understand is I don't care "that kinda shit isn't real" and for the record, I'm aware that it's a test of incredible magnitude beyond what I can comprehend, I just don't care about that. Staged or not, IT was interesting, and THAT is all that matters to me.
@Velfire: Pretty much this, though a little less about trying to convince me it's real and more that the program itself is interesting (setting, his responses, etc).
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No but what you aren't understanding is that a fuckin zombie outbreak would cause a ~21 year old manchild to grow up and learn to appreciate his parents more.
In The End It Would Not Matter Because He Would Die Within Ten Minutes
I get what you're saying but I guess I just don't appreciate the same thing because its impossible.
My buddy was reading over my shoulder though and I asked him if he knew what a "manchild" was and he said, "like Nick Cannon?"
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In The End It Would Not Matter Because He Would Die Within Ten Minutes
No but...but...he's learning life lessons...he's learning about...the power of love...
[geodude ][/geodude]
e: this will do i wish i had the ability to embed it so it would autoplay for this entire page of the thread http://smmidi0.tripod.com/yypoweroflove.mid
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB0xKnFGCSY
IT IS THE POWER OF LOVE.
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The power of HEART! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpXM9bj-WPU) Thats a form of the "Power of Love" isn't it?
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A while ago Derren Brown supposedly guessed the lottery numbers before they were announced, he promised to tell people how he did it but then he revealed some clearly made up pseudosciencey bullshit about "the wisdom of crowds". I lost any respect I had for the guy after that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derren_Brown:_The_Events#Event_1:_How_to_Win_the_Lottery (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derren_Brown:_The_Events#Event_1:_How_to_Win_the_Lottery)
yeah that lottery thing was bullshit
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Doesnt surprise me people believe in this crap, they also believe in god.
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I don't belive or disbelive in god, I simply think that If God did exist then our meager interpretation pails in comparison to such a being and that our understanding of the word god and it's meaning is far too infantismaly small to comprehend what a god would be if it did in did exist. To be frank, I dont' care if god does exist becuase If he did I really doubt that God would care about one spec in all of existance that I am. Most people can't comprehend how tiny our whole planet is, let alone themselves in comparison to the universe, that and the fact that a person existing in the exact way that they do has the same odds as lead spontaniously turning into gold, there minds are small and therefore so is their understanding.
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Far out dude
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The god thing is my actual belief, the lead to gold thing was just somthing I heard from watchman, don't know if that is actually true but it's right in that a person exsisting in the way that they do, well the odds are litteraly staggering, to simply calculate it you'd have to take into acount everything that lead up to that person's existance.
Any way, I think were getting off topic, what were we disscussing? Was there actually a disscussian?
@Dada: are you making fun of me?
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the book or the movie? Which one would you suggest as being more profound for someone to look into for finding little pearls of wisdom to help one come to terms with their place in the vast expanse of existance?
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Swordfish I think you're underestimating the complexity of some issues. The existence of god is likely thoroughly unknowable, so saying that only "simple minds" would believe in God is a little simplistic.
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Swordfish I think you're underestimating the complexity of some issues. The existence of god is likely thoroughly unknowable, so saying that only "simple minds" would believe in God is a little simplistic.
You've missunderstood. Simple minds doesn't refer to people who belive in god, It refers to most people, from Richard Dawkins who's utter inability to accept that a god entity could exist without evidence to prove such a thing to the people who do belive that god does exist but that god is watching them and cares about there actions.
My point is that If god does exist they would be beyond our ability to comprehend, so far infact that we can't prove it with the tools that exist within this universe as they are subject to it's laws and can not take into acount a being that exist beyond it, not only that but that the conciousness of such a being is beyond our understanding.
When we see the world we only see whats in front of us, a god wouldn't see it bur know it as knowlage as to them it is knowlage becuase they would understand it in its entierty down to the absolute elementary particle that makes it up, it's exact position, where it will be and where it came from at all times every where in the entire universe.
At a large enough scale where the galixes themselves look like specs they fill up so much space you would not know where you are as it would be relativley uniform. There are more stars in this universe then there are grains of sand on this planet with planets around each star and of course life on some of those planets, we are not so unique in that a god would only care about us in this unimaginably vast universe.
Those that can't understand that God could exist and that if they did exist then they would be beyond our simple understanding, hence "small minds".
EDIT: I'd also like to point out that humans have such a self important world view, that they actually matter is what makes them think that a God has to be doing things to them and therefore is also judging us. The unvierse would carry on ticking reguardless of our existance, in fact life would go on and perhaps maybe other inteligent life would come about?
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EDIT: I'd also like to point out that humans have such a self important world view, that they actually matter is what makes them think that a God has to be doing things to them and therefore is also judging us. The unvierse would carry on ticking reguardless of our existance, in fact life would go on and perhaps maybe other inteligent life would come about?
Ah, but there is the rub. Is it possible to provide a definition of God that holds no bias inherit in humanity's self-important worldview? Is it even possible to make a statement such as "God does exist" or "God does not exist", while also holding onto the concept of "God" representing something that is fundamentally outside of any sort of realm of understanding capable from the context of our current collective evident reality?
You can either accept something like "God" as a definable term, and from that form some type of basis on whether or not such a concept falls under the qualification that deems it as an identifiable aspect of existence. But by even accepting "God" as a term that can be given definition, are we not also restricting that term to remain entirely underneath the umbrella of "human understanding" which by evidence is an entirely self-important view of reality that is far-gone from the epic scale at which the entire universe operates under the divine unknowable will of this being we are attempting to assign a definition to?
When you are from the camp that accepts "God" as nothing but a label for something fundamentally beyond our comprehension as a concept which defies definition itself, then the question of such a thing existing becomes a moot point. It's very much like asking if reality exists.
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Which is why I mentioned I don't care if god does or doesn't exist for exactly that reason, it does become moot point becuase even if a god does exist it's to far beyond out aiblity to know and quantify in a way we can truley understand so why bother and if they don't then it is still moot becuase why worry about somthing that doesn't exist.
What I think of as a god being omnicient is that for a god they litterly KNOW everything in that the universe and it's current structure is simply knowlage within that entity's mind, as in he knows the universe like we know the grass is green and the sky is blue and why they are those colours but for the entire universe; which means knowing the rules and since this being would know all the rules they would know exactly how the universe would play out, including things such as human agency becuase our agency is based on chemical thus a physical reaction and therefore knowable to god.
we see the universe, god knows the universe including all time and space simultainously which is also why worying about whether god is judging us or not is pointless becuase they knows what's going to happen and likewise most probably wouldn't care as we are just one tiny unimportant thing.
Still all that though pertains to my own "human bias" and no matter what I do I can't get away from it, it's impossible to not put a bias on to a definition that by definition is undefinable.
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knowlage
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swordfish-san....
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what?
EDIT: I just noticed that the posting time is 05:05:50 on my last post... how odd.
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If there is a god, he's trying to kill us all.