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Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: hero_bash on November 07, 2012, 07:31:12 am
What are you today? Where are you now? Wat are you doing with your life.
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: JMickle on November 07, 2012, 12:56:35 pm
I am msuic star hitting big time with hits such as "digital communication would make our love life so much easier" "I invented DSL" and "Sometimes i wish i could just settle down and grow some wheat"
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: Hundley on November 07, 2012, 02:05:33 pm
i am guessing i would still be terrible
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Post by: Vellfire on November 07, 2012, 02:05:39 pm
i;d probably be dead for a variety of reasons
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: fucked up wastoid on November 07, 2012, 03:57:53 pm
maybe globalization would've been slower to take root and our lives would be marginally better in other aspects idk
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: fucked up wastoid on November 07, 2012, 03:58:59 pm
one thing for certain is that i would have horrible taste in music
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: Mope on November 07, 2012, 04:08:16 pm
I would have to actually use my imagination to masturbate
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: ThugTears666 on November 07, 2012, 04:33:50 pm
I think I'd be really into writing fiction instead of about music. I also think I'd have terrible taste in music and know A LOT less about the world. 

 
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: Kaworu on November 07, 2012, 04:49:21 pm
we'd all wind up working in a gas station
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Post by: Doktormartini on November 07, 2012, 04:51:47 pm
I'd be dumb and not know anything about the world because I get 90% of my news online.
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Post by: Massy2k6 on November 07, 2012, 08:37:08 pm
a lot less porn.
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: Swordfish on November 08, 2012, 12:50:59 am
I really don't know, the internet has REALLY influence my life. I'd probably still be in the closet in reguards to the trans thing as I wouldn't know it was a real thing, crap taste in music most probably... no knowlage in programming/3d moddeling and art.
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: dada on November 08, 2012, 02:41:49 am
My dad probably wouldn't have had Leisure Suit Larry (I think his coworker got it off of a BBS), so I wouldn't have had an early head start in learning English. Aside from that, I'd probably be working as a graphic designer full-time rather than a programmer who also designs occasionally.
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: esiann on November 08, 2012, 04:45:41 am
probably would've hung out with my friends more throughout school
or had no friends, toss-up, was kind of awfully strange until straightforward people on the internet/personal shame helped me out
also probably would have read a whole lot more
academic interests would've remained the same, except for the GIS thing maybe

i guess academic & environmental groups would have followed the government's lead and produced CDs with all their spatial data for libraries to buy? eesh there'd be huge depositories or something with CD archivists

i'm wondering what direction games would have gone in if online multiplayer weren't around - first person shooters probably wouldn't have taken off, but what would have taken their place? more fighters? without mmos, would more RPG series have become open-world? would puzzle games have stayed huge? would games have been designed for LAN play? would the computer have remained a marginal platform? so many possibilities............... so little time to list them all.........
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: crone_lover720 on November 08, 2012, 05:03:17 am
I agree more fighters, and arcades would be bigger. maybe everything would have been better bc the internet enables, or maybe I'd be worse off without any kind of outlet

people would still write letters to each other. I really don't like talking to people I know on facebook or in text messages, letters are so much better
academic interests would've remained the same, except for the GIS thing maybe
essian does GIS?? im a GIS nerd. it's like finding out we both post on GW all over again. do you know jim querry.
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: Barack Obama on November 08, 2012, 05:03:37 am
i am guessing i would still be terrible
ya me too
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: esiann on November 08, 2012, 06:37:28 am
essian does GIS?? im a GIS nerd. it's like finding out we both post on GW all over again. do you know jim querry.
how is that someone's real name?? i haven't ever been in philly for any significant length of time, & i've really only looked at museum/archaeology/general philaculture stuff there, so nope, never heard of him. i am a little out of practice, but my projects were like a simpler, large-scale version of this (http://www.orgsites.com/pa/alleghenyarchaeology/_pgg6.php3) and basic 3d modelling, and then the class was mostly environmental science scenarios. do you mostly do urban planning/analysis stuff, or ?

i like it because it is the limit of my design ability

also do you know any good RSS feeds for it?
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: jamie on November 08, 2012, 06:56:55 pm
maybe in jail
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: crone_lover720 on November 08, 2012, 07:22:39 pm
how is that someone's real name?? i haven't ever been in philly for any significant length of time, & i've really only looked at museum/archaeology/general philaculture stuff there, so nope, never heard of him. i am a little out of practice, but my projects were like a simpler, large-scale version of this (http://www.orgsites.com/pa/alleghenyarchaeology/_pgg6.php3) and basic 3d modelling, and then the class was mostly environmental science scenarios. do you mostly do urban planning/analysis stuff, or ?

i like it because it is the limit of my design ability

also do you know any good RSS feeds for it?
yeah I mostly use it for analysis, exporting shapefiles like topo or building polys to CAD/illustrator and getting accurately-scaled basemaps to draw my designs on

this past summer I worked with a police oversight commission as the GIS guy. I used it to map out complaints against the police & fatal shootings by police officers, which apparently had never been done before despite its importance in targeting misconduct. I also started to map out the correlation between race & complaints filed against the police

thought maybe you had a lecture or something by him at some point. he's also a friend of the Biddle family and watched jesse biddle grow up. he was my gis professor
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: esiann on November 09, 2012, 09:16:19 am
oh, ok, normal architecture applications

those sound pretty interesting! by started you mean you grabbed the census race datasets and the csv? address database? of complaints & messed around with how to display it before leaving it all in clearly labeled folders? i guess mapping the complaints was not that easy

no, we weren't really connected to philly at all. our guest lecturers were mostly esri guys, organic farmers, overworked state employees, and park service folks, and the topics were skewed toward environmental science & studies, since that's the department that GIS was under. i guess i'm familiar with his work, though, since i've spent a ton of time on PASDA. that is really cool! i'm a little amazed he has time.

just fell into a pit looking at all the main massachusetts GIS resources so here's some ramble/links. http://arrowsmith.mit.edu/mitogp/ (http://arrowsmith.mit.edu/mitogp/), http://calvert.hul.harvard.edu (http://calvert.hul.harvard.edu): these are basically the same thing - same sources, engine, base layers - but the harvard one seems to work a little better, for whatever reason. can't get scanned maps to show up, but i can't really load much on this computer, so it may just be that. opendataphilly is really good, though, and the only similar (interface-wise) local resource i've seen so far is http://www.metrobostondatacommon.org/ (http://www.metrobostondatacommon.org/), which is just a map-creating & sharing platform w/ external data sources. http://hubmaps.cityofboston.gov/MyNeighborhood/ (http://hubmaps.cityofboston.gov/MyNeighborhood/) has a really good interface for casually looking at basic census data

http://maps.bpl.org/explore/subject/birds-eye-views-4 (http://maps.bpl.org/explore/subject/birds-eye-views-4) - these are my favorite maps - bing's actually doing some pretty great ones, although they're also pretty yellowed but then overlayed with trendy labels

i like map extent searches because then you see that someone's been looking at brown bat migration patterns in all of pennsylvania, really? (apparently super common project for wildlife departments throughout the NE) but generally i prefer not to use a map interface if i'm just browsing datasets for fun & ideas

i still have a student disc for arcdesktop but have you tried grass or any other free suites?
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: Malad on November 09, 2012, 06:14:04 pm
I wouldn't know what the fuck a GIS was after these guys nerding out over it (no offense)
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: esiann on November 09, 2012, 07:31:35 pm
Geographic Information Systems - collection & management & visualization & analysis of spatial data, & the specialized equipment you need to do it

GPS is a good/usual example. also pretty much any computer-generated map
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: Warped655 on November 09, 2012, 08:36:22 pm
We'd have another conservative-thinking-rich decade like the 20's, 50's, or 80's at some point. Something that now that we have the internet I doubt we will ever have again.

I honestly think the internet has vastly assisted liberal ideologies more than any other ideologies.

As for me personally, I would be a lot dumber. I would have caught up on my massive backlog of games to play though.

EDIT: please note I'm talking about the US when it comes to conservative-thinking-rich decades.
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: crone_lover720 on November 09, 2012, 09:20:38 pm
yeah I had to geocode the complaints by address and separate them by type/date/code, and that took a little longer than usual since the excel data wasn't designed to be plugged right into GIS, some of the addresses didn't exist etc. you're right that I used census data, but displaying census data is always tricky if someone hasn't already made the specific dataset you want, and the census bureau doesn't do that yet. I said started because that was the last thing I did before I left, and we weren't really sure what to do with the information

philageohistory.org is also nice

idk what I last told you but I'm in landscape architecture btw. GIS is kind of an innately LA thing, since as you might have learned it was born out of Ian McHarg's concept of suitability analysis for landscape architecture. the first of jim's unknown number of degrees is in LA too

know nothing about RSS feeds, nothing about free suites sorry!! i just loove maps!!! :)

I wouldn't know what the fuck a GIS was after these guys nerding out over it (no offense)
google earth/maps is kind of like a really user-friendly version of it.
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: Sludgelord on November 10, 2012, 02:32:38 am
I probably wouldn't think diapers are funny.
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: Swordfish on November 10, 2012, 05:07:40 am
Why are diapers funny?
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: hero_bash on November 10, 2012, 11:17:16 am
Why not?
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: Swordfish on November 10, 2012, 01:41:49 pm
I'm not asking if there funny, WHY are they funny?
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: sambr on November 10, 2012, 09:33:47 pm
we'd all wind up working in a gas station
saltw is not a forum, but instead it is a gas station
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Post by: Ragnar on November 10, 2012, 11:08:20 pm
I agree about the liberal/conservative thingy. I think internet will eventually make everyone smarter in the sense of NOT CLOSE-MINDED CRITICAL THINKER but on the flipside it will be disgusting like no fetish will be obscure anymore for example. Also eventually we'll find a youtube video so bizarre it'll cause the convergence or whatever that thing is called. Somebody will make a search engine that can actually search for weirdness and then it'll be Ragnar's world. No but seriously we'll find people even 100x more ullilillia than ullililila and just viewing their webpage will completely alter the human mind

the internet - the greatest drug ever invented...
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: Warped655 on November 11, 2012, 12:15:41 am
Now that I think about it, people complain about there being no unique culture to today anymore, that is also due in large part to the internet. The 80's was the last truly OUT-THERE cultural decade. The 90's was mostly just 80's-lite with nauseating apathy instead of nauseating optimism.

2000's was a culture of cultures in a way. A true global melting pot decade. All the future decades will follow this until some massive event destroys 'world normalcy' or perhaps disrupts the internet itself.

This is me being overly futury: what happens when people start living on other planets? What happens to the internet then? will there be a earth-net and a Moon-net and a Mars-net? or will they be connected somehow? If not, unique cultures may make a come back if we go long enough in such a period disconnected.


haha, maybe there will be a republican/libertarian planet and a democrat/liberal planet.
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: DDay on November 11, 2012, 12:25:54 am
Now that I think about it, people complain about there being no unique culture to today anymore, that is also due in large part to the internet. The 80's was the last truly OUT-THERE cultural decade. The 90's was mostly just 80's-lite with nauseating apathy instead of nauseating optimism.

2000's was a culture of cultures in a way. A true global melting pot decade. All the future decades will follow this until some massive event destroys 'world normalcy' or perhaps disrupts the internet itself.

This is me being overly futury: what happens when people start living on other planets? What happens to the internet then? will there be a earth-net and a Moon-net and a Mars-net? or will they be connected somehow? If not, unique cultures may make a come back if we go long enough in such a period disconnected.


haha, maybe there will be a republican/libertarian planet and a democrat/liberal planet.

if you where to link earths net by satellite but that would be slow. Maybe there should be 2 different net offer on different planets one that allows you access to earths net. Witch would have good archive of info at you finger tips. Then just the planets net that's just faster to use since it's runs by cables and for the first 100 year would only be good for communication till shit takes off.
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: tristero on November 11, 2012, 10:46:02 pm
i would be typing 'posts' in to a three thousand page word document, imagining the replies as the orderly gives me a worrisome eye.
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Post by: ATARI on November 11, 2012, 11:56:14 pm
In 4000 years, Earth is going to be the Detroit of planets
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: hero_bash on November 13, 2012, 07:39:59 am
I'm the only one thinking I might have been better off without the internet.
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: Barack Obama on November 13, 2012, 04:09:49 pm
I'm the only one thinking I might have been better off without the internet.
no i kinda think so too.
i am almost 100% positive my adolescent years would have been much better had i not spent so much fucking time on the computer and now sometimes i'll be at home staring at the screen doing some kind of work(or even worse: nothing at all) and think to myself 'i live in here' and it makes me feel gross and i have to go for a walk or something
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: Barack Obama on November 13, 2012, 04:10:59 pm
something tells me that on my deathbed im gonna start crying because of the time i wasted using the computer or consuming media that ill never get back
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: ThugTears666 on November 13, 2012, 04:28:49 pm
its not too late to change it btw
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: Warped655 on November 13, 2012, 05:37:48 pm
I hope to never have a deathbed, but if I do I most certainly wont regret my time on my computer or the internet.

As for taking walks though that is definitely something I do to clear my head sometimes or just for a change of scenery.

Of course my dad had the same worry as you guys have for yourselves only for me so he'd constantly kick me off my computer and forced me outside. my regret in which case is that I did not have a kindle back then or some sort of portable gaming device to keep me occupied while I was outside. (though I did commonly bring out a paperback when I thought to)

I also DEEPLY regret the needless subconscious guilt I feel when I play a video game that he instilled in me even in scenarios when I should not feel in the slightest guilty. Its like, permanently imprinted in my brain. I'll feel oddly guilty even when I'm living on my own and away from him. It's just like I have a subconscious urge to finish everything on my plate when I'm eating because of him.
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: Barack Obama on November 13, 2012, 07:53:11 pm
its not too late to change it btw
oh i have & its not as bad as i make it seem, im just using hyperbole to articulate that dumb 'if i only knew then what i know now' feeling & regret about the past

in a lot of ways tho it's inescapable, i'm back in school and almost all of my work is on this dumb machine with a stupid screen.
when i get another job, a lot of it is gonna involve fucking with this bullshit too just like a lot of the other ones i've had, so w/e i just build a robust enough life outside of it all
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: ThugTears666 on November 13, 2012, 07:57:11 pm
I think I still have this naive "the world is your oyster" take on life but this
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i just build a robust enough life outside of it all
helps too of course.
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: esiann on November 13, 2012, 09:00:27 pm
warped, what is with your view of mortality? do you really think you'll do/enjoy that much more in your artificially extended life to justify the effort?

i think my life might have been better, but mostly it would just be different.
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: goldenratio on November 13, 2012, 09:12:51 pm
time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: Warped655 on November 13, 2012, 09:28:52 pm
warped, what is with your view of mortality? do you really think you'll do/enjoy that much more in your artificially extended life to justify the effort?
Yes, but even if not, I'd rather be bored than dead. As an aside: I'm a atheist-agnostic, I doubt there is an existence after death, but I acknowledge the slim possibility, though I'd still prefer a life on earth to one in 'heaven' or existing as myself than having to deal with the messiness of reincarnation.

And already almost everyone on this forum is already bound to experience a 'artificially' extended lifespan anyway even if the advancement of medical science grinds to a halt. Or at least when it comes to the probabilities of their lifespan. I just want to have more than 10-40 extra years that med science currently (or at least arguably) increases it.

I also don't want to experience 'aging' in of itself. Becoming old and decrepit. Which if we extend our lives theoretically infinitely indefinitely we wont have to endure that shit.

Sorry went a bit off topic.
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: goldenratio on November 13, 2012, 09:42:31 pm
I would hate to live forever. Maybe it's because I'm still somewhat young, and if I could exist in my current form for 200 years maybe I'd feel differently, but it's just too long. Too much time. I really really REALLY want to see where science takes us, and what kinds of technological advancements there are in 200 years, but goddammit if I have to live through the interim.
Title: If internet was never invented
Post by: Shepperd on November 13, 2012, 10:16:45 pm
without internet I wouldnt have learnt so much about all the music out there. My best friend wouldnt be a guy from across the ocean.