I don't know why people are orgasming over a composer list. I love music as much as the next person, but I don't really care for music in SSB. There could be no music whatsoever and I'd still enjoy the game, because the music is not as important here as it would be in a game involving storytelling and emotion.
My sentiments exactly! And I'm a huge video game music affeccianado. But, you know, that's the way video game hype works. Five years from now, Square-Enix will announce a completely 4-D remake of Final Fantasy 8, and fans will go nuts because the company will confirm that the development team has hired the same janitors that they used the first time around.Mmmyeah adding time travel to Final Fantasy 8
I don't know what else to say other than that Super Smash Brothers will end up awesome as long as it is completely the same?
I don't know why people are orgasming over a composer list. I love music as much as the next person, but I don't really care for music in SSB. There could be no music whatsoever and I'd still enjoy the game, because the music is not as important here as it would be in a game involving storytelling and emotion.I disagree. Even if there is no coherent "story" or "plot," music plays a monumental role in setting the tone and emotion of a setting, or in Smash Bros.'s case, evoking nostalgic memories. It provides a dynamic and fitting backdrop to the game, and I can't imagine playing without it. It wouldn't be the same to battle on Onett without hearing the Earthbound theme, or to duke it out on Corneria without Starfox's theme, or to fight on Mushroom Kingdom II without the Super Mario Bros 2 theme, etc.
I see no other reason why Yoko would be on the list.Not that I wouldn't be happy to see Sora added to this, but hadn't she composed the SMRPG soundtrack, as well? That seems more likely to receive an overhaul, than anything related to Kingdom Hearts.
I'm actually more worried about the controls with the Wii-mote. And I hope it doesn't mean just even bothering to buy a GC controller.
Yasunori Mitsuda is composing for this... I didn't realized that. Holy shit. (From Chrono Trigger and Xenogears)
I find it really disappointing that nobody cares about the Moonlit Shadow soundtrack, half of which was written by Mitsuda. It's the most amazing video game soundtrack ever. It breaks all sorts of video game soundtrack boundaries and is full of awesome, virtuosic performances. But, Moonlit Shadow is neither jRPG or an NES game, so that might explain why nobody cares about the music.Chris Kohler has basically suggested that's exactly what's going on. It seems a lot more likely than, say, them including Crono in a Super Smash Brothers game. Especially when we already know there are only going to be like two or three non-Nintendo characters aside from Snake.
I wonder what the liklihood is that none of these composers suggest anything whatsoever about the character list. Maybe they just all wanted to contribute their remixes of famous classic tunes from games they never had anything to do with, and none of them are even being paid!
Chris Kohler has basically suggested that's exactly what's going on. It seems a lot more likely than, say, them including Crono in a Super Smash Brothers game. Especially when we already know there are only going to be like two or three non-Nintendo characters aside from Snake.:ninja:
I'm still holding out hopes for Geno, though. :D Even though I think Square holds the rights to him.
Every time they release a new screenshot and it doesn't show Captain Falcon, it makes me a sadder person.FAL CONE PARNCH!!
Every time they release a new screenshot and it doesn't show Captain Falcon, it makes me a sadder person.Same here man, same here... :/
You know who I really want to play as on this game? Rygar. But, I guess thats a fools hope...
I think they opted not to use the wii remote for this game.
Which is a good decision imho.
They are making a new Rygar game for Wii...I'm still thinking Ness is going to get replaced with Lucas. But he'll probably play basically the same.
I just wish they would get on with it and tell us the characters. Not neccessarily the new ones, just the returing ones. I could give two shits about Game & Watch, but I really want Ness, Marth, and Captail Falcon.
I'm wondering, is there anybody else out there besides me who does NOT want to know who all the playable characters are for SSBB? I just love not knowing who I could potentially unlock. To me, it's part of the initial experience, and I wouldn't want it spoiled.
I'm still thinking Ness is going to get replaced with Lucas. But he'll probably play basically the same.
Except that Mother 3 hasn't been released outside of Japan. Yes, I know Melee was released with Fire Emblem characters in it before any Fire Emblem games were released outside of Japan, but Mother 3 has no chance of being released while Fire Emblem did.I say this not based on Mother 3's popularity, but based on the fact that Sakurai has said in the past that he had wanted to include Lucas rather than Ness in the first place, but that Earthbound 64 kept getting pushed back so he had to put in Ness instead, and because it's been stated elsewhere that a track from Mother 3 was being included in SSBB.
Players will be able to choose from multiple control options. Main focus is on GC controller, and Nintendo is currently considering redistribution of them.
No motion-sensitive controls in main game.
Bad move, Nintendo. Bad move. You're walking on Sega's road to console obscurity.
No surprise there, I guess.
Koji Hayama Cho Aniki / Ape Escape 2
Cheer up, emo kid! ^^
Well I dont know what's clever about Ness' name so you are not the last one!
Bad move, Nintendo. Bad move. You're walking on Sega's road to console obscurity.
GUYS GUYS GUYS
CONFIRMED ACTUAL REAL NO-KIDDING SECRET SSBB CHARACTER LIST LEAK
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/www/pubaccess/23474/smashlist.jpeg)
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't remember Sega ever redistributing GameCube controllers. :hmm:
Haha. That'd be great, but they'd have to include the Defense Attorney for the sake of....dare I say it?....justice.
Nah, his Super Move would obviously be "Objection!" "Take that!"
Actually, it's all those add-ons Sega provided for their consoles (although I'm not really sure with the Saturn and DC, all I know so far are the 32X and SCD for the Genesis). It's slightly the same for the Wii and the remote add-ons. Why would you have to buy all those add-ons seperately if you could've bought the whole package?
20 bucks they fuck up everything that made competitive SSBM actually interestingYou're on.
20 bucks they fuck up everything that made competitive SSBM actually interesting
I'm sure they wouldn't have a killer 7 character - it just doesn't fit, and not in a Snake way.Yeah exactly. I'd be pretty pissed if I saw Dan Smith or someone in that SSBB. I'm more interested in getting Takada's and Fukuda's music OH PLEASE LET THEM DO SEVERAL SONGS.
Well, according to the Wikipedia entry, it's most likely a joke about the NES. It IS an anagram for SNES, but considering it was the Super Famicom in Japan and he was still called Ness, that's not as likely.
I personally hate wireless because you never know when your batteries are going to die on you. How much would it suck if they died right in the middle of a battle?
Maybe I just imagined this, I can't remember, but I thought the Wii warns you when your Remote's batteries are low? I thought this happened to me while playing Twilight Princess, but I honestly don't remember.Oh really? I never knew. If that's the case then I guess I'll have to take back my hate against wireless controllers.
Maybe I just imagined this, I can't remember, but I thought the Wii warns you when your Remote's batteries are low? I thought this happened to me while playing Twilight Princess, but I honestly don't remember.It most definitely does.
The WaveBird was wireless done right, imo.
Oh really? I never knew. If that's the case then I guess I'll have to take back my hate against wireless controllers.
Phoenix Wright as a playable character would be enough for me to buy a Wii and go nuts.
This would probably be the best decision they could ever make to sell the Wii.
Why don't they release PW for the Wii? I mean, it would have the same gameplay, but if it was on a console they could add some voice acting or something. Or just keep it text only, why not????
We also need some more pokemon, but DECENT ones this time, having something like a Squirtle or hell, even an Eevee would be pretty rockin' to play with!
Bulbasaur too
I would shit myself if Ridley was a playable character. He would be the largest playable character to date.
I don't know how it would work though because he can fly (o wait so can Pit and Metaknight...)
why.Yeah, guys, stop getting excited over characters in a fighting game unless they have detailed backstories and believable characterization. He's just a fire breathing pterodactyloid-dragony-alien-thingy and the second most frequently seen character from a wildly popular franchise. What's so cool about THAT? :rolleyes:
it's just a character that never says anything in a series not very much known for its plot or anything.
it'd be cool to play as an ugly alien thing I guess but nothing to get excited over unless he had some superpower that I just don't know that would make him super cool in this game.
why.
it's just a character that never says anything in a series not very much known for its plot or anything.
it'd be cool to play as an ugly alien thing I guess but nothing to get excited over unless he had some superpower that I just don't know that would make him super cool in this game.
why.
it's just a character that never says anything in a series not very much known for its plot or anything.
it'd be cool to play as an ugly alien thing I guess but nothing to get excited over unless he had some superpower that I just don't know that would make him super cool in this game.
Yeah, guys, stop getting excited over characters in a fighting game unless they have detailed backstories and believable characterization. He's just a fire breathing pterodactyloid-dragony-alien-thingy and the second most frequently seen character from a wildly popular franchise. What's so cool about THAT? :rolleyes:
maybe he would just float back and forth a few cms above the ground. basically tier the character down like they usually do (does anyone actually believe that any of those characters could beat Samus Aran who is shooting ENERGY AND MISSILES UNLIMITED) I guess.maybe just get past your disbelief and let a plumber fight a dinosaur and some spacemen in a Pokemon city ok
actually i think playing as ridley would be really stupid and not work that well but STEEL YOU KNOW NOTHING ROLLEYESWhere did you get the idea he can't move on land well? He moves pretty well when his wings burn off during the end of the Prime boss battle.
seriously though at least pitt and metaknight have another mode of transportation that isn't FLYING (hint: walking). ridley has tiny bitch legs and giant wings. he can't walk well and he can't just FLY everywhere because that would be stupid. maybe it would be tight if he came out of a pokeball or something *crosses fingers for a ROLLEYES comment* but as a playable character that's just dumb.
Well, if you're going to take hints at the music, the list of composers hints at certain characters/games.Hidden content (Click to reveal)Akihiro Honda (Konami Digital Entertainment Co., Ltd.) Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns Of The Patriots / Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops
Arata Iiyoshi Pokémon Mystery Dungeon / beatmania II DX
Asuka Ohta (Nintendo) New Super Mario Bros. / Yoshi Touch&Go
Hajime Wakai (Nintendo) Pikmin series / Star Fox series
Jun Fukuda (grasshopper manufacture inc.) killer7 / contact
Kazumi Totaka (Nintendo) Animal Crossing series / Yoshi series
Keigo Ozaki (GAME ARTS Co.,Ltd.) PROJECT SYLPHEED Kenichi Okuma Melty Lancer series / Welcome to Pia Carrot!! 3
Kenji Ito ROMANCING SAGA series / CULDCEPT SAGA
Kenji Yamamoto (Nintendo) Super Metroid / Metroid Prime series
Kentaro Ishizaka (HAL Laboratory, Inc.) - Koji Hayama Cho Aniki / Ape Escape 2
Koji Kondo (Nintendo) Super Mario Bros. series / The Legend of Zelda series
Masaaki Iwasaki MOTHER3 / Chelnov (Genesis)
Masafumi Takada (grasshopper manufacture inc.) killer7 / GOD HAND
Masato Kouda Monster Hunter / Devil May Cry
Michiko Naruke Wild Arms series
Minako Hamano (Nintendo) Metroid Fusion
Motoi Sakuraba Golden Sun series / Mario Golf & Tennis series
Noriyuki Iwadare GRANDIA series
Ryoji Yoshitomi (Nintendo) WarioWare, Inc. : Mega Microgame$!
Seiji Momoi METEOS / The Glory of Hercules III - The Silence of Gods
Shogo Sakai (HAL Laboratory, Inc.) Super Smash Bros. Melee / MOTHER3
Shota Kageyama Luminous Arc
Takahiro Nishi (GAME ARTS Co.,Ltd.) GRANDIA series / PROJECT SYLPHEED
Tomoko Sasaki (TOKIOHEIDI) NiGHTS
Toru Minegishi (Nintendo) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Toshiyuki Sudo (Nintendo) Everybody Votes Channel
Tsukasa Masuko Star Force / Magical Starsign
Yasufumi Fukuda Kamaitachi no Yoru 2
Yasunori Mitsuda (PROCYON STUDIO CO., LTD.) CHRONO TRIGGER / XENOGEARS
Yoko Shimomura Kingdom Hearts series
Yuka Tsujiyoko Fire Emblem series
Yusuke Takahama (TARGET ENTERTAINMENT INC.) Digital Pinball series
Yutaka Iraha (GAME ARTS Co.,Ltd.) SYLPHEED series
Yuzo Koshiro (ANCIENT) ActRaiser / Street of Rage
Where did you get the idea he can't move on land well? He moves pretty well when his wings burn off during the end of the Prime boss battle.
His legs aren't tiny either. Take a look at this screenshot (I know he looks even more massive there then normal but he is stretching)
He can be bowser sized and if him walking doesn't look right he can just hover slightly above the ground like Mewtwo did when moving.
Woah, the guy who created Ristar is in on this? Will Ristar be in the actual game?When I was a very young child in WHSmiths I saw a games magazine that had on the front cover SONIC'S DEAD; RISTAR'S COOL
RISTAR'S DEAD NOT SONIC FUCK YOU (sonic's dead :(​)
Has anyone seen the latest update? Barrels and crates now change appearance to fit the look of the level you're currently on. Crates slide down slopes now. You can now stand on crates (pikachu confirms), don't know about barrels, though.
When I was a very young child in WHSmiths I saw a games magazine that had on the front cover SONIC'S DEAD; RISTAR'S COOLristar was actually built to be sega's mascot before sonic's final design was in place
I remember this made me really sad and angry. Just for this I hope that stupid star stays out of this game. RISTAR'S DEAD NOT SONIC FUCK YOU (sonic's dead :(​)
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/796/796498/super-smash-bros-brawl-20070614080929843.jpeg)Awesome. :D
releasej/k
but you clicked it so :gwa:
i noticed that before you even pointed it outfuck you :(
way to go me
I just want them to announce a new and unexpected character to tide us over for awhile.yeah me too. what we know so far is cool, but I'm curious about the new characters (not necessarily third-party ones, but they'd be cool too).
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/pikachu/pikachu_070619b-l.jpeg) (https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/link/link_070618d-l.jpeg)this is a moot point, because the item will be banned in competitive play anyway, just like all the other items in the game.
Some more information has been added to the site about the Smash Balls, it shows off Pikachu's Volt Tackle attack and Link's Triforce Slash, the item will definitely be a welcome addition, hopefully there won't be an unbalance between individual powers though.
this is a moot point, because the item will be banned in competitive play anyway, just like all the other items in the game.Seems weird that items would be banned for purposes of balancing, when items probably do a better job of balancing the characters than just about anything else in Smash Brothers.
casual play is unbalanced already, so it doesn't matter for that either.
Seems weird that items would be banned for purposes of balancing, when items probably do a better job of balancing the characters than just about anything else in Smash Brothers.it's not because of balancing really. while it gives lower tier characters somewhat of an edge, it's also completely random, and random shit in fighting games is more of a curse than a blessing really. imagine playing street fighter and suddenly losing because your friend's fireball decided it would do 100% damage. or the stage kills you.
It would be more interesting if they didn't show us screenshots of the same shit from the trailer (but with more fancy effects) and revealed some more characters or something.Well we now know a tiny amount about Wario. He's the latest update. But we already knew he was in this, we've seen him in the trailer, and the update doesn't really say much. :/
Fox looks like a total stupid faggot now btw. Am I the only one who hates how he looks? I guess I'll get used to it eventually. I don't really play him anyway (I will play Falco though.)
How are they breathing? And why is there gravity? I suggest that you not worry about it too much.Haha, this made my morning. :laugh:
The Ocarina of Time Medley sounds awesome!
dude this site is so funny.for the most part it seems to read ok
it's so fucking ENGRISH.
Holy fuck, it's like they are constantly going "you know what would make SSBB EVEN MORE FUCKING RAD? ___MEGAMAN___!" and instead of not doing it they do it.I wish.
reskinned pokeballs
But even so, I guess it would be a lot more fun to see STARMAN JR. or maybe LITTLE MAC fly out and start fuckin shit up instead of just a truckload of the new 4th generation pokemons!
Agreed, Esh, I'm thinking about getting a Wii with this being one of the main reasons! It looks very nice!
I think you need that friend code shit that Nintendo has been pushing.I hope they use a system like Pokemon Battle Revolution's. I mean the game itself is pretty severely lacking in a lot of ways, but they've done some stuff with the online that needs to be expanded upon and standardized. You can be randomly matched with other people looking for a match, like with a lot of Nintendo WFC titles, but the good part is that you can trade "Friend Cards" (which basically mean Friend Codes, but it also means you can battle computer-controlled teams with that friend's stats from the last time the card was updated) after a battle. If they do that with Smash, I will have NO PROBLEM with using Friend Codes, other than the silliness of making it per-game instead of per-system.
I just read in a recent IGN article that SSBB will be playable online, I don't know if its been said previously or not but personally I see this as the best news about this game I've heard to date.Dude this is why i've been looking forward to it for a year.
Today's update basically says, "use the gc remote" because all those other button combinations seem kinda useless/gay...You have a choice for a reason.
They're focusing on aerial combat so maybe you should be able to jump it. I mean look at how far Mario recovered from in that how to play update.rofl, I was wondering if I was the only one who noticed that. I'm wondering if he didn't actually make that jump and they took screenshots several different times to illustrate a point.
Awesome, but we need more playable character updates :(
I suppose when you're doing literally 5 updates a week, you need some filler content in there.
Awesome, but we need more playable character updates :(Especially considering you need to leave enough to surprise the player when he actually gets the game.
I suppose when you're doing literally 5 updates a week, you need some filler content in there.
I still find it dissapointing. The reason why I liked it was that they were giving us some good infromation frequently. Now it's kinda meh.They are building up to an announcement of Megaman as a PC. I can feel it.
They should have both Simon and Alucard. And Dracula.
And then they could have a Castlevania level where you fight Dracula as a boss in adventure mode.
But I doubt it'll happen. ;(
Well' date=' I guess Super Smash Bros. Brawl is the kind of game where anyone can show up and anything can happen![/quote']
Ah man, I wish this was true for Castlevania as well!
And if they actually do include the stuff I want about Castlevania, then I WILL buy a WII just for that. Of course, I could always buy a GC version, but WII is better so...
And the word "armada" refers to a large fleet of ships, of course. Though I always chuckle when I hear it because it sounds like my colleague’s name, Mr. Amada.
Song's good, I like the Melee arrangement better though (much more epic).God, this would make me so fucking happy. The Wii discs have the space to do it too. :ninja:
Also, for awhile now I've been hoping that Brawl would include revamped versions of all the stages in the previous games (Melee included a few stages from the first game, but they weren't revamped). It'd be so cool if they did that!
God, this would make me so fucking happy. The Wii discs have the space to do it too. :ninja:Yeah, imagine if there was a "MELEE MODE" where you could play on all of the old stages from the rest of the games. :gwa: :incred:
Yeah, imagine if there was a "MELEE MODE" where you could play on all of the old stages from the rest of the games. :gwa: :incred:I say, old bean! I must express my astonishment of your claim! Is this fact, or a clever ruse? (http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6278/orlyez6.png)
Kind of cool, but I'm hoping that there is a way to use Zero Suit without having to Final Smash.
It's possible that Zero Suit Samus's Final Smash has her gaining the power suit.oh that'd be kind of cool actually
My thoughts exactly. I was hoping it would have been a Zelda/Sheik situation.
My thoughts exactly. I was hoping it would have been a Zelda/Sheik situation.Speaking of Sheik there is no mention of her/him on the Zelda page. If they take Sheik out then THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY :argh:
It's possible that Zero Suit Samus's Final Smash has her gaining the power suit.That really defeats the point of the transformation and requires 2 smash orbs...
Considering it is the Twilight Princess Zelda...I personally don't think Twilight Princess Zelda will turn into Shiek since it doesn't really make sense but it would be stupid to take her out (and force samus to transform using a final smash -_-)
...Was Sheik in Twilight Princess? I'm not too far in the game actually.
Severus I really don't see how that is a spoiler at all.It's a minor spoiler at best, but better safe than sorry.
But anyway Sheik was one of the best characters (gameplay-wise) so unless like Zero-Suit plays like her (which I could actually imagine) THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY :argh:
So I was reading some threads on Smash Boards, and some of the members brought up a really neat idea that I think would fix the whole Zero Suit Samus issue. Just an idea, but what if we'll be able to select Zero Suit just by holding the A button (or whatever) before starting a match? This is probably the best path for Nintendo to take. Besides, after thinking it over, I've concluded that they'd have to be pretty stupid to stick entirely to the oh so unpopular Final Smash plan.I'm hoping for an alternative method of using ZSS for example that or as a separate character but that idea seems to be out the window at this stage,
It's not that small of a detail, actually.Well, if there's no ZS Samus, then it's not like we lost a character, since she was never one in previous games. And with so many other cool things announced, I really don't care about it turning out differently to what we'd thought.
Right, but it completely changes gameplay for Samus. Also what's in the last screen?
You people do realize that the Smash Orb is a really rare item that shows up once a match, and can most likely be turned off, right? Samus doesn't turn into Zero Suit unless you get that smash orb and then activate your final smash.If you're talking about what I think you're talking about then I believe he was talking about using final smashes/smashorbs once per smash orb not once per match. Normally I'd point out that would be the sensible option but after this week...
I don't know why people have problems with the smash orb. It looks pretty cool and its not like you can't win if you didn't get it in a match.Most people only have a problem with the Samus/ZZS samus Final smash which just plain sucks, people who wanted to play as Samus only (big hint was selecting it at the character selection screen sakurai) are now at a disadvantage in that they can't use a smash orb (unless they are good with two characters). Don't pick up the smash orb? Sure, except that allows your opponents to pick it up and use it on you which isn't really a good idea.
Most people only have a problem with the Samus/ZZS samus Final smash which just plain sucks, people who wanted to play as Samus only (big hint was selecting it at the character selection screen sakurai) are now at a disadvantage in that they can't use a smash orb (unless they are good with two characters). Don't pick up the smash orb? Sure, except that allows your opponents to pick it up and use it on you which isn't really a good idea.Also the people who only wanted to use Zero Suit Samus (but that is probably me only).
Also the people who only wanted to use Zero Suit Samus (but that is probably me only).Yeah, I intend to use her once or twice but I'll probably stick with regular Samus.
As in not exactly someone you'd want to use, other than for her looks or her speed. Or if she has a neat moveset, maybe.That's what people thought of Sheik and then WOAH TOP TIER. But yea it is more likely to be a downgrade if she becomes usable after the final smash.
I think that rumor about them brining back most of the old character is correct.
Goddamn, this game is getting me excited.
BoF?:shh: I was testing you.
Its FE.
<_<
Awesome, a new character. And he seems to be the equivalent of Roy, which gets me excited, as Roy was my favorite character in Melee.Roy was worse than Marth in every way possible. Its like choosing Pichu (worst character in the game) over Pikachu (still pretty bad, but playable), except that Marth is god tier and Roy is like lower-mid, which is an even bigger difference.
Roy was worse than Marth in every way possible. Its like choosing Pichu (worst character in the game) over Pikachu (still pretty bad, but playable), except that Marth is god tier and Roy is like lower-mid, which is an even bigger difference.It all depends on who is playing. With Roy, I always win, at least against friends(I don't play tournaments). But with Marth, I hardly even win. I suck as quick characters, and that is what Marth is. Roy, on the other hand, is slower, but much more powerful. I'm better at that.
"It all depends on who is playing. With Roy, I always win, at least against friends(I don't play tournaments). But with Marth, I hardly even win. I suck as quick characters, and that is what Marth is. Roy, on the other hand, is slower, but much more powerful. I'm better at that. "
No, tiers dont change on who is playing, Marth is still better than Roy in every way even when you play, you just don't know how to use Marth.
It’s an enemy castle in the midst of battle – but it’s not set in a particular castle, nor is it from a particular game in the series..That line sure will but to rest the numerous theories about which game it was from and who was in now (based on the flags and stuff)
Also, it is becoming increasingly obvious to me that an Action Replay is a must for this game.
I only ever AR'd Melee to play as non playable characters like Giga Bowser or Master Hand or just to play around in the debug menu. Presumably we'd be able to do the same in Brawl.Exactly. It looks like there's a ton of possibilities you could utilize if you had an AR and had access to the debug menu. This new adventure mode appears to have tons of levels and tons of strange characters.
I hope (and think) that they will bring back Ganondorf. But instead of him being slow, they should actually make him somewhat fast. After all, he hasn't been "slow" since Ocarina of Time. In Wind Waker and Twilight Princess we have seen a large man with quick reflexes and speed - they should seriously take this into consideration.
GI: Have you been consulted at all for the usage of Link or Sheik or Ganondorf for Smash Bros. Brawl?
Aonuma: I’ve been working with Sakurai for a very long time with this new Smash Bros., because the Wii came out and when discussion for a new Smash Bros. took place nobody could think of anyone other than Sakurai working on it. He was kind of the default, and I was very happy to hear that he would be working on it. Actually, my designers did work on the designs for Sheik and Link and Ganondorf. So they submitted the initial designs, and so it would fit in the Smash Bros. Brawl environment, they’ve had to tweak some of the designs. But Sakurai has brought those altered designs to NCL. We’re working very closely with the team of Smash Bros. Brawl to make sure the characters look their best.
It looks like Sheik and Ganondorf are pretty much confirmed. I just wonder what version of Ganondorf we'll get in this game.
God, I hope so. It was pretty annoying fighting Sheik and Zelda, and when I was either of them, turning into the other accidentally.That is pretty hard to do. I mean 99% of Sheik's B moves are useless.
That is pretty hard to do. I mean 99% of Sheik's B moves are useless.storing kunais >>>> you ok
Also I wonder what Sheik will look like this time around, because according to the interview some design changes have been made.
Woooooot!!!! *ahem* Anyway, yeah, it might be the Twilight Princess one, because since they used Zelda and Link from TP... I don't see why not...
Also I wonder what Sheik will look like this time around, because according to the interview some design changes have been made.
The only problem with that (and the Nintendog Assist Trophy) is that they presumably don't work on computer players.
The only problem with that (and the Nintendog Assist Trophy) is that they presumably don't work on computer players.the ai in ssb is functionally retarded anyway, so why would it matter?
storing kunais >>>> you okThats why I said 99% and not 100%.
uh
if you think fox's down B is only good for projectiles, you should seriously stop playing smash
right now
Yeah, that's how I use it... Except that guy is using C-stick.uh, c stick is for smashes only, he's doing dair into wavedash into reflector, that's all there is to it
I was staring cluelessly at the finger before I realised he could be somewhere else in the picture.
Those Sonic images were taken from other sources and are not original like the pictured confirmed Melee characters.
I'll tell you this: that Brawl add from the EB is NOT an official piece of GameStop marketing. Someone from the store either mocked that up, or found the image online and posted it in the store.
Interesting... I just noticed Snake is not on the characters page (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/index.html). WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?Neither is Meta Knight. It's just the order he's updating his site.
Interesting... I just noticed Snake is not on the characters page (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/index.html). WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
Neither is Meta Knight. It's just the order he's updating his site.
Interesting... I just noticed Snake is not on the characters page (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/index.html). WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?You have been following this right. You know they are update this every weekday with new characters and so on.
I'd love it if when the game finally comes out Snake doesn't feature at all and in his place is A snake because Miyamoto thought it would be cuter or somethingMark, w-would you like to see my snake..?
You have to give the kids something to do. Admit it Carius, you'll be there, putting all your stickers on your characters and making copies.Mai kirby will b prittiful :rolleyes:
You have to give the kids something to do. Admit it Carius, you'll be there, putting all your stickers on your characters and making copies.
The roster is growing nicely. I can't help but get excited and think "Who's next?". Oh and uh...yeah the new character is pretty coolI really hope it's Megaman.I guess.
Man what is this shit. This isn't even an update.
I would be extremely hard-pressed to give two dicks and a dong about stickers in real life. Forget about in-game!
off-topic-ish:One of the greatest games ever made. Make sure to play WITH VOLUME, too, because it has some of the best music ever made for a video game ever!
I know its been mentioned already,GENO would be a fucking awesome character for brawl. I'm currently playing through Super Mario RPG for the first time, and it is pretty good... for such a old game, considering I'm not much of an RPG lover, or even that huge of a Mario fan, nor do I get any nostalgic feelings for the game. It's just a plain GOOD game. I sorta hope even more that they make a true sequel of SMRPG with him in it though, since the original seems so short. I've only been playing it for total of about 2-3 hours and already have 4 of the star pieces (out of 7). I think I'm gunna be sad when this game ends for me.
"You're trying to apply logic to a game where toys of characters from unrelated franchises come to life and beat each other up with dazzling powers and eventually fight a giant hand."It was the opening demo for SSBM.
That isn't canon tho. <.<
That was just the commercial.
I definitely like the clawshot now, finally has a more 'usable use'.
I'm also liking how the spin attack can be charged, however it makes me wonder about whether it can be used to fly up higher.
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If you can be meta knight, why not Petey?
How does that list indicate that Petey, R.O.B., and the Primids (I'm assuming that's what you meant by 'Emissaries') are going to be playable? If anything, it's indicative of them not being playable characters.
Characters that there are multiples of (Polygon team and their replacement in Brawl, Primids) are never playable, without a gameshark or AR. That also rules out R.O.B.s.
A character like Petey is far too large and powerful to be playable. His tongue is bigger than Peach and Zelda. He can hold two characters with ease, he shoots out giant balls of sludge, and he can petrify his opponents. I have a good feeling he's going to be a boss.
My point is that I've noticed Smash games have a tendency to get a lot of mileage out of the character models and animations that are created - think of all the clone characters and the way so many things were cleverly reused in Event matches (resizes, dark link, etc).
This observation isn't an "indication" of anything, but it helps a little. You've given some points about why they may not be playable. I think it's possible that they will be playable, but I am far from making a bet on it.
Oh, and don't forget you can control Giga Bowser in Brawl. He's pretty big.
Yeah, he's big, but that's a final smash. You get to control him for a few seconds and then it's back to regular tiny Bowser.
It seems to be working fine.
How would he be a DK clone? He's like 1/3 his size!
How does that list indicate that Petey, R.O.B., and the Primids (I'm assuming that's what you meant by 'Emissaries') are going to be playable? If anything, it's indicative of them not being playable characters.
Characters that there are multiples of (Polygon team and their replacement in Brawl, Primids) are never playable, without a gameshark or AR. That also rules out R.O.B.s.
A character like Petey is far too large and powerful to be playable. His tongue is bigger than Peach and Zelda. He can hold two characters with ease, he shoots out giant balls of sludge, and he can petrify his opponents. I have a good feeling he's going to be a boss.
Don't think that his size/obvious power potential should be a variable for whether he could be a character. Think about it. They put Mewtwo in Melee and he was the worst character!
I hope his jetpack and pistols make a return. I mean they're in his rap and everything (and shut up about dk's lack of coconut gun that fires in spurts :x).
Yeah, I know. But still, to me it just seems kind of out of place.How? It was in an old game, it's one of the Yoshi races canon abilities (albeit very underused for obvious reasons), and this is a game with Yoshi in it.
Yeah, I know. But still, to me it just seems kind of out of place.Not really, I mean in some Mario games Koopa Troopas and Goombas have angel wings as well. It's surprisingly common. Let's not forget Mario's winged cap either.
You're right Doritos, an angelic-winged, fire-breathing Yoshi just seems kind of odd. But I'll give it a chance.Not very high seeing as all of them appear in the background of the Animal Crossing world.
Cool Animal Crossing song. What do you think the odds are of an Animal Crossing character in the game?
Also where the hell is Captain Falcon >: [
I can easily say that Smashville is the best stage so far.
Edit: I just thought of something interesting, what if Zelda uses her sword from Twilight Princess? Or her bow for that matter.
WTF? Pokemon trainer? How is he going to fight?
Ok Im sorry but, I don't really care if Yoshi could grow wings in the games, this Final Smash looks mad ugly to me.
What I mean is, it would have looked alright if they would have given him wings that look like the ones on the winged cap. Something I guess more "Mario" like in appearance.
But that's just me.
I think Zelda will have most of her old moves, but maybe in place of Sheik, her down+B will be her sword or bow. It's pretty unlikely in my opinion, but it could happen.Well the reason I brought it up is because the only mention of magic in her character description is in that it augments her physical moves. I think this would be a pretty interesting concept to completely change around her playstyle, and it could even integrate her with Sheik more.
With his pokemon. He just stands in the background and controls either Squirtle, Ivysaur, or Charizard. It's a pretty cool concept since it's basically three characters in one, kind of like how Zelda/Sheik were two in one. I just hope they don't half ass him and actually devote some time to make sure he's well balanced, rather than being some rushed character.
I'll definitely be trying him out though. Seems like he'll be pretty fun.
It would be better if the wings were done in a different, more goofy style than almost realistic-like. I can actually see myself playing with every character, unlike ssb-melee.
The Adventure mode also emphasizes character development. You’ll see many famous characters persevering under the weight of their personal histories, shouldering their unique burdens... It’s really something you won’t see anywhere else.
Yeah, I'm guessing it just chooses who helps you out in a battle later on, Mario or Link. Or neither. It'd be cool if you could save neither.
Man, replay value? Didn't you play through SSBM with every character? And didn't that take like two days in all? :x
I like how they type about it like its some HUGE CHOICE but you can just save the other one in the next half-hour's playthough :D​.
That's a cool idea. But what if you chose Peach/Zelda for the one player mode? Do they still get caught?
I don't think you have to be Kirby, he is just used as the example.
I am a little bummed that you HAVE to be Kirby, as he is not one of my better or favorite characters. Oh well. The Petey Pirhanna battle seems pretty fun.e
This is how I picture it. You'll start the game off and you won't be taken to a character select screen. Instead, you'll have to do Kirby's story. Once you defeat Petey and save either Peach or Zelda, you'll be able to use whoever you save plus Kirby for the next level. Let's say the next level is a Kid Icarus stage. After beating that stage, Pit will join your roster and you'll be able to use either Kirby, Pit, or Zelda/Peach for the third level.
The reasoning behind this? Sakurai said that Petey is the first boss. That means that if you were given the chance to pick your character, and you picked either Zelda, Peach, or Mario, you wouldn't end up fighting Petey, since those characters get shot away or put in cages. That means that for those characters, Petey wouldn't be the first boss. So it seems pretty likely that it'll be a predetermined order and the choices you make as you play will determine who you'll play with and what stages you go to next.
But you see, it wouldn't be to hard to put different characters in the cages. There isn't much continuity there really, because Kirby has no relation to Peach or Zelda, so they could of very well put anyone in those cages. Those maybe the deafault ones perhaps, but it dosen't mean that you couldn't use them. A major factor in any SSB game is that you can really use any character. I don't think they'd change that
But you see, it wouldn't be to hard to put different characters in the cages. There isn't much continuity there really, because Kirby has no relation to Peach or Zelda, so they could of very well put anyone in those cages. Those maybe the deafault ones perhaps, but it dosen't mean that you couldn't use them. A major factor in any SSB game is that you can really use any character. I don't think they'd change that
At any rate, what about the Subspace bomb that went off? I would've thought that Kirby would have been taken away into Subspace, but evidently you fight Petey Piranha, as per today's update.
That idea is actually pretty cool Sarhan, I never thought of that. But one thing as well, Smash Bros DID have replay value. Replay value means you have reason to replay it. I'm pretty sure everybody who played Smash Bros beat the game with every character (thats a lot of replay) and then there was trophy collecting, and doing the events, and all that stuff.
It would kill singleplayer if it was always the same battles with the same people.
...and then I scrolled down and those sneaky bastards showed Meta knight's awesome moves! Very cool.wtf when did that get there, thanks.
I'm definitely trying them all out, but Pit and Meta Knight seem AWESOME to me. Pit or Meta Knight seems my style, I may switch from Fox...
Have you guys realised that you can actually play and have fun with ALL the cool characters instead of just one?
You don't have to MAIN anyone sheesh
(sorry, my casual player mentality got the best of me again)
All "main" refers to is the character you like to use the most or are best with. Unless you play with everyone the exact same amount, you are going to have a main or a few mains.
What if I main with "random"... :ninja:
Man gliding looks pretty badass. They... They’re really flying!
What if I main with "random"... :ninja:
BTW, WarioWare update looks manic, although personally, I think Brawl should at least have a STABLE stage(besides Smashville and maybe Battlefield, since the platforms won't change anyways).
wow, only like 3 months left. :incred: I CAN'T WAIT~! :D
Agreed. Everything they've shown so far is pretty crazy. I mean that's cool and all, but for regular fights and for tournaments, it'd be good to have some more "normal" stages. They probably won't announce the really crazy or really normal stages though; those'll be saved for the release.:ninja:
wow, only like 3 months left. :incred: I CAN'T WAIT~! :D
I...I guess you can really not have a main. I guess your best character could be considered your main though.
:ninja:Plus, I doubt they're going to show the really prosaic stages like Final Destination. It might be a good stage to play on, but it's not the best stage to show off, y'know?
Yeah considering Melee had 29 stages & so far they've only confirmed 10 in Brawl (13 if you count the Pokemon Arena, Mario Kart Race Track & Metal Gear stage in the 2nd trailer) I'll say that there's probably still alot of stages under wraps.
Let's say the next level is a Kid Icarus stage.
Subspace emissary update: Pit's up next. Lucky bastard.
Now I wonder when's the next character update...
palutena is hott
The video makes Pit look much more badass than anything else has before. I want to play as him now.
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It's a move. You can use it over and over again.
I'm sure they might but I doubt Diddy would have no B or Up-B if either of those two things happen!
About time they really introduced Meta Knight. Unfortunately they gave 0 information but there you go.My thoughts exactly
It's Meta Knight, whose introduction was delayed for some reason.:hmm: Would it kill him to say why?
I wonder if that is the real one or not, because it does not have the Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection symbol on it, and I thought online play was all but confirmed...Good point - didn't really catch that.
Mario is going to be awesome. Can you imagine how much fun it will be using FLUDD to keep people from recovering?
Yeah, it looks pretty cool. Charging it while moving looks fun. Also the tornado is probably his down smash or something like that.
Good god, this game is going to win game of the fucking century.
I know it's been said about other tracks, but the Pokemon Stadium track sounds WAY too slow to battle to. Oh well, I like what they did with the ending evolution music.
Holy fucking shit triple music update. Also I never knew Nobuo Uematsu composed the main theme...
This is dangerous. It's a little risky.
Maybe Uematsu's involvement means a FF character/item/stage?
Man, I love the SSBB main theme. Fucking epic.
Maybe Uematsu's involvement means a FF character/item/stage? He wasn't included on the original composer list though.
When Sakurai put up the list of composers, he said:
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A lot of people thought this meant that it could give people insight into which games characters, items, and stages would come from, which is why Sakurai was reluctant to put it up. Probably means nothing, but it'd be cool if it did.
Haha, I love how the Animal Crossing characters in the background frown when Munchlax eats useful stuff. I wonder if that's all the time or was scripted for the screenshots.
We also need some more pokemon, but DECENT ones this time, having something like a Squirtle or hell, even an Eevee would be pretty rockin' to play with!Quote from earlier in this thread by Carius before the Trainer was announced.
Bulbasaur too
guys i'm willing to bet that snake's the only non-nintendo character in the game
unless there are others i haven't heard of???
So yeah, what is the Lip's Stick from melee supposed to do?
Really sucks that this level won't be used in competitive play, as I like it the most. :fogetshakefist:
I can't wait to see some more new characters though. :resistins:
I hope there's going to be a Kid Icarus orchestrated main theme. That'd be so cool.
It will be. It just said that it'll also play a big part in the 1-player mode.
Well, if the other guy from Fire Emblem (?) makes it into the rooster, I don't see any reason why a Final Fantasy character can't. FF started with Nintendo after all and right now they are making tons of games to the DS. Nintendo should be happy that they got some of the franchise back. They should say 'thanks' and get at least some guy in there...
You understand that Fire Emblem characters are Nintendo characters right? Or was your point that fire emblem characters are fantasy type character so FF's characters would fit in just fine as well in the game? The rest of your argument is perfectly valid.
Uh first of all, there will be one or two more third-party characters. Let me clear that.
And second, YES, Meta Knight's stage is my favorite as well! Also I want DeDeDe.
FACT: Uhh Sonic has like 2 attacks total dude.How many attacks did Captian Falcon have before SSB?
FACT: Uhh Sonic has like 2 attacks total dude.That's ridiculous, dude. Hardly anyone had any attacks before Smash Bros. They gave Shiek an arsenal, Mario extra moves, Zelda moves, Gannondorf extra moves, and basically made up entire movesets for Fox/Falco/Ice Climbers/Peach etc. I think it'd take them a total of 20 minutes to think up moves for Sonic.
That's ridiculous, dude. Hardly anyone had any attacks before Smash Bros. They gave Shiek an arsenal, Mario extra moves, Zelda moves, Gannondorf extra moves, and basically made up entire movesets for Fox/Falco/Ice Climbers/Peach etc. I think it'd take them a total of 20 minutes to think up moves for Sonic.The thing with the other characters though (except Mario but most of his attacks were in other games as well) is that they had a lot of working room because they have never really fought before. Sonic, on the other hand, has basically been using the same 2 moves for his entire career.
FACT: Uhh Sonic has like 2 attacks total dude.
You can't really expect A material all the time can you. He wants to save some stuff for when you play the game. Besides which at least this puts to rest those wierd rumours the Ice climbers would disappear. I never thought they would, especially considering they are unique and gimmicky which seems to be what he likes.
Pichu on the otherhand...
FACT: Uhh Sonic has like 2 attacks total dude.:ninja:
You can't really expect A material all the time can you. He wants to save some stuff for when you play the game. Besides which at least this puts to rest those wierd rumours the Ice climbers would disappear. I never thought they would, especially considering they are unique and gimmicky which seems to be what he likes.
Pichu on the otherhand...
This makes me happy because there's a possibility of Game n' Watch making a return, which I like, because he kicks ass.
-Spin when he jumps which is actually an attack (all his games)Hi same move.
-Spin Dash (almost all his games)
-Homing Attack (All the 3D Sonic games & Sonic Advance 2)
-Slam himself into the ground to bounce higher (SA2)
-Use Light Speed Attack to attack a group of enemies at an incredible speed (SA1)Hey look another same move
-Use Light Speed Dash to follow a ring trail or dash to a single ring (it was used as an attack in Sonic Battle)
-Create blueish wind that hurts enemies in some way (From SA2 multiplayer, I forgot what it was called)Wait don't tell me... these are the same too??????
-Make a wave of blue energy during a jump (Sonic 3, Knuckles & Sonic Advance 1-3)
-Shoot a wave of blue energy (Sonic Battle)
-Use Chaos Control to create spears of energy (SA2, actually Shadow does this but I assume he can too)Don't assume, they are completely different (see: Shadow the Hedgehog)
-Throw various punches & kicks (Sonic Battle)Ok these aren't even moves in the first place.
-Not to mention Sonic is super strong, probably even stronger than Mario.
-Do a Megaman-ish slide attack (SA2 & Sonic Advance 1-3)
-Use the powers of various elemental shields (I.E. fire = flame dash) (Sonic 3 and Knuckles)This shit is too useless/impossible to impliment/wouldn't even be associated with Sonic for a 3rd party developer to use.
-Use Chaos Control to teleport (SA2)
-Use Chaos Control to stop time (SA2)
And his Finale Smash is a no-brainer, he could transform into Super Sonic.Who is the exact same but golden and maybe faster VERY USEFUL.
Especially when you are talking about a game when characters only have 4 special moves.and where their basic moves usually comprise of punches and kicks or using a basic weapon
and where their basic moves usually comprise of punches and kicks or using a basic weapon
It would be cool if they threw Sonic in Brawlers just as a joke and made him an extremely weak Mario knockoff (Ryu and Ken?).
That's pretty bad actually! A level that only 3 characters could do well on? The stages are supposed to be fair to everyone. I always set the stage selection to 'Random,' and I only out of those three would pretty much ever use Jigglypuff, so... No.
When was the last time you saw Captain Falcon use a Falcon Punch outside of Smash Brothers?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw
Ninjapirate's postActually NONE of those are the same move (well except maybe the Light Speed Attack/Dash). I didn't explain the moves in great detail (or really any detail at all) but if you play any of those games you should see what I mean. But even if we say they are the same moves going by how you grouped them & add Nintendo or Sega's ability to make up new moves that's still enough moves for Sonic to be in Brawl.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7VcwRofl, it tears through THE GALAXY.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw
I mean, if Snake's a KONAMI character, it wouldn't be fair to not let other third-party characters join the fray.Obviously you don't understand how these things work. It's not about "letting them in" it's more about "ok how much do we have to pay to gain the rights for this character in Smash." It's not like companies are lining up outside of Nintendo going "OH PLEEEEEASE LET OUR CHARACTER APPEAR IN SMASH BROS!"
It's not like companies are lining up outside of Nintendo going "OH PLEEEEEASE LET OUR CHARACTER APPEAR IN SMASH BROS!"
Kojima begged Sakurai to include Snake in the GameCube version of Smash Bros., but it was too late in the development cycle to add the character. When Brawl became a reality, Sakurai contacted Kojima and the decision was made to introduce Snake into the series. Solid Snake will use explosives ... and a cardboard box.
Snake is the only third party character confirmed for Brawl. Sakurai has confirmed that other third party characters are a definite possiblility. There was talk of Sonic...
That's sort of funny, because that's actually how Snake got into the game.Yea I know but I think that is an exception to the rule. Also Kojima is just a weird guy in the first place.
look no matter what ninjapirate is right okUhh dude that is basic copywrite law stuff right there. In the case of Kojima he probably viewed it as free advertising, and some other people probably do as well, but you can't just like take someone else's character and put them in your game.
i'm just hoping they slow this game down a tad. a speed akin to the original would be much more desirable.
But yeah w/e as long as we still have wavedashing.
More time-wasting speculation on Sonic...
I kind of feel like Mario and Sonic at the Olympics actually hurt Sonic's chances in Brawl. The reason is that if Sonic was in Brawl, especially if Brawl comes out first (I'm not sure if it does - can't find release date for Olympics game) then the novelty of having Mario and Sonic in this Olympics game would severely diminish and lead to lower sales. Smash Bros Brawl is going to sell well if Sonic is in it or not, but without Mario and Sonic in this Olympics game, would you care about it at all? So maybe this is a good reason to keep Sonic out of Brawl. Or just a reason to not to greatly advertise it at this point.
Either way, I do believe they'll add him. Megaman is an unlikely addition in my opinion, but Sonic is very probable.
Uhh dude that is basic copywrite law stuff right there. In the case of Kojima he probably viewed it as free advertising, and some other people probably do as well, but you can't just like take someone else's character and put them in your game.I don't think this argument works well against Sonic, since Sega and Nintendo have already shown willingness to share characters for games, in the form of Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games. I'm not saying it's definite or anything, but there's no reason they couldn't have hammered out the two deals at the same time and for about the same price.
Tonight's update: new item.
Bet on it.
Told you.
Also the golden hammer is like Sonic, Sarhan. Just without the blue...and the spikes....and the speed...and well the Hedgehog...
Haha man lucky guess! I think you can tell us all the updates now.yeah its real easy to predict the future when you can just edit your posts
yeah its real easy to predict the future when you can just edit your posts
ºoºO[Jayce]Oºoº - Sentimental Generation - says (7:07 PM):
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/sonic-j/k.html
*BREATHES HEAVILY*
Jeeves says (7:07 PM):
OMG!!!
Jeeves says (7:08 PM):
THIS IS SO AWESOME!
Jeeves says (7:08 PM):
FUCK!
The link doesn't work! :(
ºoºO[Jayce]Oºoº - Sentimental Generation - says (7:09 PM):
Hmm?
Keep trying, the site's getting pretty hammered since so many people are looking at it.
Jeeves says (7:09 PM):
Oh okay...
Jeeves says (7:15 PM):
GAH IT'S STILL NOT WORKING!
ºoºO[Jayce]Oºoº - Sentimental Generation - says (7:16 PM):
Heh.
Supporting your analysis on Sonic, it would definitely be a good idea to put Mega Man in Brawl as well. His sales have been considerably low. I mean, when is the last time we've seen Mega Man on a console game? That was MMX8, and that was way back in 2003/2004. If I had to guess, I think his audience is getting a little smaller (with exception of his hardcore followers, like myself) and is finding a niche in the younger crowd with the Battle Network and Star Force franchises.When was the last time Kid Icarus was in a platformer? I vaguely remember a GameBoy game starring Kid Icarus, but that's it. (Kid Icarus is still awesome, though).
Actually, this article explains it all: http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3159950
I think putting Mega Man in Brawl would give Capcom some decent cash they can loan to Keiji Inafune (Mega Man's creator) so that he could make a Mega Man Legends 3, since he basically said in the article that he needs "someone to throw money at him" for a next-gen Mega Man to happen. He ALSO said that it doesn't necessarily have to be someone from Capcom that gives him that money.
So yeah.
When was the last time Kid Icarus was in a platformer? I vaguely remember a GameBoy game starring Kid Icarus, but that's it. (Kid Icarus is still awesome, though).
And now I'd be willing to bet the Wii will be taking the lead (or increasing the lead, I don't know the current numbers) and keeping it too. Wifi confirmed, and they didn't confine it to friend codes. And with Brawl paving the way for games no longer being confined to friend codes, well, I guess that will contribute to them taking and keeping the lead.
I'm not sure about Pokemon Battle Revolution, though as far as first party games go, Mario Strikers: Charged isn't confined to FCs either. I'd cite EA's games but they're running on EA Nation, not Nintendo WFC.
Oh. Didn't realize that with all the bitching against Wii using FC's only. Maybe I should stop listening to jester's rants concerning the Wii haha.Or maybe you should actually read them rather than skimming them haha.
Lan adaptor :rite:
If Sonic is included, and I'm hoping he is, he's going to be need to be released soon, before the commercials/final trailers are released. I doubt such a climactic character would be included as a secret character when the games marketability will practically skyrocket if he is announced. I have no idea what events are coming up, but if theres an E3 or something of the sort between now and Dec 3rd, that'll either make or break him.I think the Tokyo Game Show official starts Thursday.
On a side note, does anyone else thing the character damage thing is a bit too bulky?
I'm not sure about Pokemon Battle Revolution, though as far as first party games go, Mario Strikers: Charged isn't confined to FCs either. I'd cite EA's games but they're running on EA Nation, not Nintendo WFC.PBR doesn't require friend codes for random battles, either. And what's more, you can trade Friend Codes after a random match if you want, which is a feature that ought to be included in all Nintendo WFC things. They did cripple communication in random battles, though, so your opponent didn't see your Pokemon's nicknames(just the species name) or the custom messages you set up.
PBR doesn't require friend codes for random battles, either. And what's more, you can trade Friend Codes after a random match if you want, which is a feature that ought to be included in all Nintendo WFC things. They did cripple communication in random battles, though, so your opponent didn't see your Pokemon's nicknames(just the species name) or the custom messages you set up.you could call your pokemon "pooface" and destroy a child's innocence forever you see
you could call your pokemon "pooface" and destroy a child's innocence forever you see
you could call your pokemon "pooface" and destroy a child's innocence forever you seeI think the bigger problem would be that you might name your Pokemon "Shitcock" and a child's parents would be able to sue Nintendo because of it.
I think the bigger problem would be that you might name your Pokemon "Shitcock" and a child's parents would be able to sue Nintendo because of it.Pretty easy to just not allow swear words in names. Or even better, simply disallow them online. "Sorry, you named that Pokemon something stupid and now it cant be used, ha ha!". I'd take that over ridiculous safety measures any day.
Doesn't matter that they'd lose, there'd still be legal fees.
I think the bigger problem would be that you might name your Pokemon "Shitcock" and a child's parents would be able to sue Nintendo because of it.
Doesn't matter that they'd lose, there'd still be legal fees.
Doesn't matter, wouldn't be any for Nintendo. It wouldn't hold up in court at all and probably wouldn't get anywhere. It says on the front of every online playable game box "Game experiance may change online".Not all cases end with the judge awarding attorney fees to the winner of a case, even when it's cut-and-dry.
Can't wait until Manhunt 2 is released I can take a broken bottle to the testicles of Nintendo's "family-friendly image".
To me, although jumping to rather 'out-there' conclusions... do all of these robots somewhat make you think that maybe they're of Eggman orientation?
As I said, a bit of a stretch, but if it be the case (which would likely suggest eggman be some sort of boss), then that would suggest that the blue wonder would be in it as well.
To me, although jumping to rather 'out-there' conclusions... do all of these robots somewhat make you think that maybe they're of Eggman orientation?Megaman? (robots, dude)
As I said, a bit of a stretch, but if it be the case (which would likely suggest eggman be some sort of boss), then that would suggest that the blue wonder would be in it as well.
man you guys are getting so ahead of yourself. you want sonic and megaman so bad that you're associating everything with those character. just fucking drop it.What's your problem? This whole thread is about speculation and secrets revealed about Brawl. If you can't stand it, don't visit the thread.
even if they will be in the game (sonic's possible, I really doubt megaman will be in it) it's not something they'd release right now in a regular update. it's either going to be pretty big news that makes a huge impact or it'll be a secret until the game is released
man you guys are getting so ahead of yourself. you want sonic and megaman so bad that you're associating everything with those character. just fucking drop it.
even if they will be in the game (sonic's possible, I really doubt megaman will be in it) it's not something they'd release right now in a regular update. it's either going to be pretty big news that makes a huge impact or it'll be a secret until the game is released
Also has the 1-player mode where you just have fight after fight been confirmed yet?No, but since this mode has been in every single fighting game since cavemen were beating each other with sticks, I think it's a given. :fogetbackflip:
I agree, but Sonic has a little more momentum than Snake. I expect some kind of video at an E3 or something. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Sonic baddies turn out to be a part of the adventure plot, as I wouldn't be surprised if Dede or K. Rool were. That being said, some of the baddies do suspiciously look like MM/Sonic influenced grunts, but in the same breath the whole Emissary thing reeks with the stench of Heartless.
"After we get back from E3, we'll look at the calendar and figure out the right time to do something very specific for Smash Bros. Brawl," added Llewelyn, who noted that there is no plan to release a new E3 2007 Brawl gameplay trailer, either.
A few of the enemies are from Kirby games.
That would make sense, since it's Meta Knight as (what seems to be) the bad guy.
It has arrived! The Battleship Halberd! It’s Meta Knight’s battleship...isn’t it?
It's Meta Knight, whose introduction was delayed for some reason. He's Kirby's...rival?
We'll HAVE to do a Brawl tournament here at GW.
Er....E3 is dead. TGS is the more likely place, these days and it starts tomorrow.
oh god another pokemon
oh good another pokemonv
man you guys are getting so ahead of yourself. you want sonic and megaman so bad that you're associating everything with those character. just fucking drop it.
Sonic Confirmed. :fogetshh:
Smash World is dead set on the idea that Ness will be replaced by Lucas, who is the hero from the third Earthbound game. I hate the idea, I think Ness is a veteran and since there are no more Earthbound games coming out, it would be pointless to switch to a new character. What do you guys think?
Damn! Good call Sarhan.
Jesus Christ.
SONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONIC seems to be the reaction in this thread atm. @_@ Honestly, I think that if he's in it, it will be one of the last updates if anything!
EDIT: Good lord, triple update.
I like to guess that he'll be the next update every day. That way when it does happen, I can say I called it. You're probably right about him being one of the last updates though, if he even makes it.
By the way, Sunday night's update is Sonic.
By the way, Sunday night's update is Sonic.
*starts pondering on Snake's FS*Summons a Metal Gear REX and goes to town imo.
What I find weird though is the fact that he seems to have 5 special moves (the missile, the mine, remote missile, hand grenade, and cypher recovery). Don't most characters only have 4? They have standard B, up B, down B, and side B.
Don't most characters only have 4? They have standard B, up B, down B, and side B.
the mgs4 brawl music is pretty cool
This game needs Captain N.
I'd love to see Ridley but doubt it would happen. He'll pretty much defnitely be a boss in the story mode, though.
Well, according to how they promised to get rid of clones and such, the Links are pretty similar also. If they're having a third/fourth character from the Zelda series, I really hope it's not another Link.VAAAAAAAATI~!
Well, according to how they promised to get rid of clones and such, the Links are pretty similar also. If they're having a third/fourth character from the Zelda series, I really hope it's not another Link.
The reason I think WW Link should be in is that his character design (cel shaded Link) has appeared the most throughout the games, including the new DS LoZ game Phantom Hourglass.
he was in phantom hourglass and WW, there are like, 10 other games without a celshaded link. jesus, have you ever played the other zeldas? or are you pulling it out of your ass.Wow, you're getting a bit huffy over this. Plus you're misinformed.
and if you are talking 3D, OoT MM and TP all had a non-celshaded link, so 2/5 is not most
also Vaati would be the stupidest person to put into the games, he was like a filler boss for games that didnt have Ganondorf
I really hope they just leave Link and Zelda as the LoZ characters, everyone else...well other than ganondorf of course, would be pointless, especially LOL SMALLER VERSION OF LINK
as for the whole sonic/megaman stuff, megaman would be like 100000x cooler than sonic, actually Zero would be even better than megaman since he is such a cooler character....
The original smash bros was cool because it was 12 characters coming from different games to duke it out. Melee was good, but it lost the "legends of nintendo" feeling, and became more of a way to please fans of certain games, for the most part, Mario and Zelda.
Are you kidding? Ness is HUGE in Japan! Earthbound was never released in the US (at least, not the entire series), but Ness was a cult hit. SSB was made for its Japanese audience before its American one. And B-K would be neat, however the unlikeliness of their inclusion.
Wow, you're getting a bit huffy over this. Plus you're misinformed.
WW-style Link has been in at least five games. Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass, Four Swords, Four Swords Adventures and Minnish Cap. I think the port of LttP used WW Link, too. By contrast, the first Link was used twice, in Zelda 1 and 2. LttP Link was used four times, in LttP, Link's Awakening, and the Oracles games. Ocarina Link was used twice, in Ocarina and Majora's Mask, and TP Link has only been used in Twilight Princess. These are just the designs, not the incarnations, though, since WW, FS, FSA, and MC Links are all presumably different incarnations.
Vaati has been in three games, and even if you didn't like Four Swords or FSA, Minnish Cap is one of the best Zelda games around, and Vaati was great in it. And Vaati is an interesting villain with a nice design, and a breath of fresh air after so many games where Ganondorf has been the antagonist. Plus, both of them were in FSA.
Thanks to the assholes at Microsoft who bought Rare and totally fucked up one of the best game developers out there.
Snake grabbing Mario:
I don't think you can count Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures as two different games...Except that they are two different games, with two different stories. That's like saying I don't think Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask count as two different games.
Snake grabbing Mario:Hidden content (Click to reveal)(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9725/1190385126724pa4ia0.jpg)
Where was it officially stated that there would be no more clones?
o ok. didn't know rare made Banjo Kazooie.
Banjo Kazooie was decent but I don't think they would of put them in SSB even if Rare didn't get bought though. i mean it was a popular series but idk.
I imagine Ike has taken the place of Marth/Roy, and I don't see them keeping around Dr. Mario.
I wonder if we'll get Snake's stage tonight though?
EDIT: Just saw the update. Lame +1. Tomorrow's update will be Sonic in order to make up for tonight's crappy one. And with that, I go to sleep.I don't know if I'd call it lame considering I thought the stickers were gonna replace trophies & I'm glad to see them make a return.
Sakurai can't shit gold everyday, you know.
has every post in this topic just become OH WELL, SONIC IS TOMORROW
After playing Justice for All again (Pheonix Wright) I noticed that underneath the CAPCOM logo, it says "Licensed by Nintendo". Does this mean Pheonix Wright isn't a technically a third party character? Cause if he's not, I'd put money down on him being included right now, seeing the games' success in Japan, and the growing popularity in US/Europe.
I hope they keep Dr. Mario so I can show you guys how Dr. Mario should be played. Hopefully Marth will be back too. Don't care much for Roy, but Marth is one of the most commonly used characters and definitely one of the toughest to master, as well as one of my best, so I'd love it if he'd come back so I could use him for our GW tourney. I just hope WDing stays in.
Ugh. Dr. Mario and Marth were more or less clones, although I usually argue that Roy is the clone. I think Ike's taking Marth's place, due to them being near-identical except for a move or two and some stat differences (weight and strength and maybe speed).
Dr. Mario could NOT be different from Mario really! I think a Dr. Mario costume would be cool to include, like a Raichu-scheme costume for the Pikamaster or something. Alternate colors are cool but if they pull a Peach (her different colors also included different necklaces and brooches and stuff), that'd be even cooler.
Also I hope they get rid of Mario's Side-B cape, because I know plenty of people love it but to me it's not Mario at all!
Extra "hidden" characters as alternate costumes is a really great Idea- it's something that I wanted for a long time, since they first did it with Wario Mario in the original SSB.
I mean, the pokemon are easy. Pikachu could be pichu or raichu- even minun, plusle or pachirisu really. Jigglypuff could easily have alternate costumes as igglybuff or wigglytuff- possbily others like clefairy or togetic too.
Ness could pretty much become one of the twins from the new Earthbound game right? haven't played it myself but they look pretty similar.
Fox and Falco could be the same character, too. Mario and Dr. Mario, as said. And the list goes on.
Some of the costumes wouldn't work. You'd figure some of them should be stronger/weaker (like Raichu or Pichu) and some should be faster/slower (like Falco), so they really wouldn't fit. I think costumes should be just that...costumes. They shouldn't be different characters. Falco shouldn't be a different character for Fox, but Fox could have costumes that vary from game to game.
I'm pretty sure they'll keep the old color system they did in SSB64 and SSBM though.
This really won't happen but neither will Megaman and this kind of stuff is a lot more fun to speculate about.
Looks like maybe the Dojo could be doing character updates on fridays now. I hope at least, since we've gone weeks before without anything but stages and items to tide us over. C'mon Cpt. Falcon n Ness.
has every post in this topic just become OH WELL, SONIC IS TOMORROWevery one except for those that say OH WERLL MEGAMAN NEXT
Diddy's FS seems weak sounding compared to the others we've seen.
p.s. megaman tomorrow
Let me get this straight... you people want to REMOVE CHARACTERS from the game because they are "clones". Then you want the clones to be alternate costumes...even when they aren't costumes at all but different characters. So you would take out an awesome character like Falco. Change his stats so that he now plays EXACTLY like Fox. And now Falco isn't even a character, but a "costume" of Fox. So now when you select the Falco costume for the Fox character, the announcer yells "Fox!" even though it is clearly Falco. Nice work, that's so much better now.
Let me get this straight... you people want to REMOVE CHARACTERS from the game because they are "clones". Then you want the clones to be alternate costumes...even when they aren't costumes at all but different characters. So you would take out an awesome character like Falco. Change his stats so that he now plays EXACTLY like Fox. And now Falco isn't even a character, but a "costume" of Fox. So now when you select the Falco costume for the Fox character, the announcer yells "Fox!" even though it is clearly Falco. Nice work, that's so much better now.
If it's true that for every clone that is removed we get a completely new and unique character, then I'm all for firing every one of them. But where the hell did people come up with this rule? Why do you feel that there isn't "room" for more characters and so the clones are taking up this "room". Are you talking about memory space or room on the display or what?
Altering the clones' movesets would definetly be the best option. More diversity!
By the way, anyone want to guess who the next new Nintendo character's going to be? King Dedede? Captain Olimar? A Punch-Out!! character? Or maybe even a Custom Robo character? Guess!
It makes sense if you think about it. If they don't have a clone to deal with, then that means they'd bring in a brand new character. If a clone isn't coming back, then a new character will. And yes, I am talking about room on the display/memore space/time, with time being the biggest factor.
Despain
Nintendo is not dead set on removing the clones (find me a primary source that confirms otherwise). But the fans seem to be. They keep insisting "they suck, take them out, get rid of them" - and this completely baffles and angers me. Why remove any character - clone or not? Apparently, we're in agreement on this, so you're not the guy I should be arguing with.
Altering the clones' movesets would definetly be the best option. More diversity!
By the way, anyone want to guess who the next new Nintendo character's going to be? King Dedede? Captain Olimar? A Punch-Out!! character? Or maybe even a Custom Robo character? Guess!
Um... Wow!
We don't all want Brawl to become Budokai. 100 characters... Man.
Also; Diddy Kong's looks okay. Personally these Final Smashes are starting to look like the SPECIAL POWER MOVES from the newest Mario Tennis - pretty overpowered.
Nope, it's not making sense. You'll have to have more details here.
So far you've listed display, memory, time.
Display? Is that a serious concern? There isn't physical room to show all the characters on the screen? Has science not advanced to the point where mankind can figure out a way to fit more than 25 character profiles on a single display?
Memory? That's dubious. It's just a few character models, all the animations are just reused from the character they are cloned from.
Time? So you just copy Pichu from Melee and you import that fucker into Brawl. Then just slap a higher resolution texture on him and you're done. The handful of people who want him around are happy, myself included. How long does that take?
So I'm not convinced yet that the existence of clones is somehow burdening resources to the point that the possibility of all new characters is being hindered. New characters are tough to add, but clones are easy - that's why clones existed in the first place.
We'll just be talking circles on this issue until we know exactly what we can get as a tradeoff by eliminating clones. I think people are vastly overestimating what we can get in exchange (and some people just want them gone without anything else added, and those people anger and baffle me).
Hypothetically, I would be interested in sacrificing 4 or 5 cloned characters for 1 all new and unique character.
Yeah, so this is the particular opinion that baffles me. Why not 100 characters? Sounds awesome to me. Unless the addition of so many characters makes them all crappy because none are refined. But if additions don't take away anything, then bring them on.
To reiterate.
Adding something without losing something is good.
Removing something without gaining something is bad.
Are there really people who would disagree with those statements?
Who is arthur?The protagonist of Ghosts n' Goblins.
Arthur would be fun to see. I'll be glad if they don't overload the game with sword users though.He doesn't use a sword?
I think he was just going off-topic about the sword thing. Hmm, It looked like the ZS Samus did use the beam as a whip, but I can't help but feel when I saw her attack that it looked like a sword, I guess it would be considered a whip.
Okay, first of all, the game is supposed to have around 40 characters from all the rumors that are flying around. Now, with that said, I want new characters. Not clones. Taking out clones means new characters take their place. Is that simple enough?
Second, you don't just copy and paste a character from Melee into Brawl. That's not how it works. This isn't RPG Maker. It's using a different console with a different physics engine and who knows what else. Copying and pasting does not work. Creating a character takes time. Have you ever tried to create a character in something as simple as MUGEN? That takes a ton of time and it's much more simple than the shit real developers have to deal with.
Adding a character, clone or not, is not a simple process. If it was, we would already be playing Brawl.
You also have to look at this from a business perspective from Nintendo. In business, there's something called the law of diminishing marginal returns. What this basically means is that beyond a certain point, adding more units of input (characters) will give you less and less output (players in this case). So while adding an extra character to a roster of 20 might give Nintendo 100,000 additional players, adding an extra character to a roster of 30 would yield only 60,000 additional players, and adding another one at 30 characters would only produce 35,000 more.
So basically, beyond a certain point, adding more characters serves Nintendo no benefit at all and may even actually cost them money, if the addition of that new character would cost more than the potential revenue earned from the amount of additional players gained from the addition of that character.
Nah, I still disagree. I think it is relatively easy to port an existing character from Melee into Brawl. But I don't want to argue this. Even if I was working on the game myself and knew precisely what it took, it is still my opinion whether or not it is "simple".Er....the majority of the work would be in the creation of the graphics, choreographing the animations, and stitching those all into the engine. And adding an old character is no easier than adding a new character, graphically speaking, other than that they already know what sort of actions the model should perform.
Games ALSO don't have thousands and thousands of characters because that is possibly the biggest turn-off for a fighting game.Tell that to Marvel vs. Capcom 2!
Tell that to Marvel vs. Capcom 2!
This is obvious. Unless I am misunderstanding you. This is why games don't have thousands and thousands of characters. You don't have to explain this to me.
Nintendo only has so much time and money. Why not invest it into new characters?
Doesn't matter what either of us says though. Doesn't seem like we're going to be able to change each other's minds.
What a crappy update.What? Please don't ever post in this topic again. You will do the rest of this community a favor.
That's all I have to say.
Henry's woken me up on more than one Saturday morning crying "Dad. It's that damn Resetti."http://mena.vox.com/library/post/damn-you-mr-resetti.html
What? Please don't ever post in this topic again. You will do the rest of this community a favor.
This new assist trophy looks absolutely nostalgic. The people at HAL really know what they're doing with this game. It's going to be nuts.
Eh...no. This update sucks.You might also notice that it zooms in on him and that his text and even his model cover a decent patch of screen. He works more like the Nintendogs item than the Goldeen Pokeball. But it looks like it might last longer.
Sure, it may have some "nostalgic" value for the people who've played AC before, but what else does it offer? Absolutely nothing. He's the Goldeen of the Assist Trophies. Absolutely useless. I'd like him 10 times more if he did something or interfered somehow. I've never played AC, but even if I did I'd probably still dislike this update. I'd rather have someone useful come out of the AT if I'm getting my ass kicked instead of some useless, rambling character, whether or not he offered any nostalgic value. And besides, you aren't going to get the same feeling of nostalgia every single time you use him. A few times, sure, but eventually it'll wear thin.
I need something interactive and this isn't it.
You might also notice that it zooms in on him and that his text and even his model cover a decent patch of screen. He works more like the Nintendogs item than the Goldeen Pokeball. But it looks like it might last longer.
Also, I love him.
Sarhan you shouldn't have to rely on assist trophies to win. I think you're forgetting that it will just be FUN and FUNNY to see this guy come out and everyone is laughing and trying to read what he is saying while they are fighting.
Unless you don't play with friends in which case I sort of see what you mean but he could be a real riot in multiplayer.
If they did make the screen zoom in, you wouldn't be able to see your characters (judging by the screenshots).dude thats the whole fucking point of him
I guess I was just disappointed because it wasn't a stage, a character, or a character's moves, which are my favorite updates.
dude thats the whole fucking point of him
You mean you're disappointed it wasn't Sonic.
but it doesnt mention the screen doesnt zoom in........
edit: holy shit relooking at the screens, not only is it obvious the zoom is part of the trophy but he also makes people fall asleep. that's awesome!
It doesn't mention that the screen doesn't zoom in for any of the other zoomed in screenshots, so with your logic, that means that all of those other screens are going to be like that during gameplay. It'd be somewhat redundant if they had to let you know that every single zoomed in screenshot (which is like...90% of them) isn't actually going to look like that in-game. So how exactly is it obvious?
yeah uh it zooms in a lot and then slowly zooms out, that seemed obvious. idk if people fall asleep, that might have just been for FUN SCREEN SHOTS.i dunno, he might just randomly name two people like that and they fall asleep. i think your guy falls asleep one time in ac:ww and he gets pissed off.
but uh yeah, notice how the text isn't ZOOMED IN, it is aliased or whatever for that zoom size jesus man are you dumb or what.
But the image of him commenting about Pikachu and Kirby made me think that it would be great if he had some kind of conversation logic that allowed him to say different things about the match. Commenting on who was winning, who was losing, or who was using the most items, or whatever else an AI could easily notice. And then it was just interesting to read what he had to say. So interesting, that he actually became a distraction to the fight because you want to read what he's saying.
What? Please don't ever post in this topic again. You will do the rest of this community a favor.
Yeah I was thinking of something like that too. I mean the scoreboard in Pokemon Stadium displays the scores so there's no reason Mr. Resetti can't make comments. Also he could laugh and shit and make fun of them if someone dies or something.
Remember in Melee, after you complete a versus battle and all the players get weird titles and point modifiers based on things they did? Like Smash King, Marathon Man, Dead-Weight KO, Pacifist, and about 250 more. Just have each of these titles translate to an interesting comment by Resetti that he can make when he's called upon.
For example, if someone is currently earning the title "Stalker" (Always attacked a particular player), then Resetti can have some stock Stalker comment to make.
yeah uh it zooms in a lot and then slowly zooms out, that seemed obvious. idk if people fall asleep, that might have just been for FUN SCREEN SHOTS.
HIS TEXT IS TIERED DOWN do you not have eyes or something?
Let me just ask an opinion question since I am curious. Obviously, unique characters are better than clones. But clones have some value right? In your opinion, what is the quality ratio between clones and uniques. For example, I would prefer six clones over one unique - how about you?
Is Luigi a clone of Mario?
Is Luigi a clone of Mario?
Sonic update tomorrow, Sarhan
Damn straight! Love your sig by the way.
Animal Crossing Playable Character
Someone at Smash world figured out that each of the playables has an icon next to their title on the character pages.
Each of the icons has this url: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/images/icon/world_b_XX.gif
Replace the XX with a two digit number, between 01 and 18, and each of the numbers represents a franchise, one of these being Animal Crossing. That's why a lot of people agree that an AC character is probably included.
Also, here's a link to a topic in SMash World forums, where they have a translated Japanese interview with the AC creator, where he confesses to an AC character in the game, and his descriptions make it sound a lot like the protagonist from said games.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=118258
Edit: God, I am way too far into this.
FAMITSU: Have you been approached to contribute Animal Forest elements for the new Smash Bros. game?
KATSUYA EGUCHI: Yes, and there is quite a funny story to it. A few months after E3 2006, (Masahiro Sakurai) contacted me and asked if I'd like to develop possible Animal Forest ideas for Smash Bros. Originally, we settled on just a quick, simple Animal Forest item, but with the success of Wild World and the Animal Forest film, he asked if I'd be up for designing additional elements. [Laughs] Fast forward a few months and I had stage and character concepts created. Sakurai chose his favorite of the stage concepts, slightly tweaked it to his liking, and we together decided on the final Animal Forest character, which is a very fun character to play. With both the stage and character I utilized ideas from the games. For example, if you play the stage at night, the sky will be dark. If you play in the winter, expect to see snow, and leaves in the autumn time. And yes, trees will be decorated on Christmas! It's really something else. I worked very hard on this one little stage! [Laughs] The Animal Crossing character is very much like the one in the games. You know, he will use his axe, fishing rod, bug catching net, and everything else from the games.
An Animal Crossing character would be the LAMEST character in all of SSB. What moves would he do? Be your bitch? Move objects to kill cockroaches?
The Animal Crossing character is very much like the one in the games. You know, he will use his axe, fishing rod, bug catching net, and everything else from the games.
Regardless, the icon thing is still there, which is convincing enough for me, since the other games with trophies and items don't have their own icons.
i was really hoping PT's final smash would be summoning that god pokemon from diamond/pearl or something rather than just ULTIMATE ATTACKS but oh well
Good god, this game will probably have better replay value than Halo 3.
Seriously man they should have at least chosen the best moves in the type for the final smash (but of source Surf etc are already used in normal attacks).Uh, they did. Back in Red/Blue, Hydro/Fire Blast/Solarbeam were kind of the SIGNATURE MOVES of the three types, so they were well chosen imo. Kind of how HYPER BEAM was the notype (or was it dragon?) signature move, etc.
Uh, they did. Back in Red/Blue, Hydro/Fire Blast/Solarbeam were kind of the SIGNATURE MOVES of the three types, so they were well chosen imo. Kind of how HYPER BEAM was the notype (or was it dragon?) signature move, etc.
The more I think about this game the more I am blown away by the sheer SCOPE of this game. Good god, this game will probably have better replay value than Halo 3. There's just so much to it and so much to do. I was addicted to Melee on and off from launch up until this year.I still play the original SSB.
Um that's not true! The best moves for the types are flamethrower or surf. For grass the best move is actually like LEECH SEED but it's not a direct attack though so. The horrible accuracy of the HIGH POWER moves like hydro pump and fire blast aren't worth the gains in power if you can have a consistent attack that's still pretty strong even if it's not hyperpowerful. And hyper beam sucks it gives opponents a free turn.I didn't say they really were the literally most powerful, but you aren't arguing they are the signature/most known moves of that era, right?
Pokemon Trainer should have a move where he throws pokeballs at other players in an attempt to capture them as "pokemon". Then, maybe he could throw them back - preferrably over a ledge or something so they would die. It would be the same idea as DK's ability to pick up characters and throw them off ledges.
I didn't say they really were the literally most powerful, but you aren't arguing they are the signature/most known moves of that era, right?
Like, everyone had them, and they were used in the anime every other episode, etc.
You have a point but it would have been cooler if Nintendo stuck to the games moreso than "whatever the random public knows". I mean they've been sticking to that sort of cool detail for other games- little things than make fans all giddy when a tiny little thing is included.
I guess it can be blamed on the popularity of that shitty cartoon that gave a bad name to the best game series ever. :fogetcry:
I hope they add like a 1% chance that when the PT throws a pokeball it comes out as magicarp or something. And maybe the mushroom item could evolve the pokemon instead of making it bigger, and poison mushroom could de-evolve it? :O
The textbox at the bottom is a nice touch, it would be cool if it said something like "Meta Knight Fainted!" or something when it scores a KO.
It probably will, but when you switch back to that Pokemon it'll most likely still have that condition. Very cool.Yeah, it's written somewhere that using one Pokemon the whole match will tire it out and make it less effective. We don't know how, exactly, it could just be less % dealt or more % gained or it could be literally speed/jump strength/etc.
I love this Final Smash, personally. Simple, easy to use and understand. It's like Samus', or Mario's. One big freaking blast of holy crap. These were the moves that are GIANT POWER BLASTS, not necessarily the best. Jester is straight-on with that.
Also Dapper it's called Pokemon trainer because they weren't gonna name it Squirtle/Ivysaur/Charizard.
ALSO also apparently PT will have a 'stamina system' for each Pokemon? What the hell, I wanted to try and play as Charizard for an entire match and kick serious ass.
so a guy at SRK went to a media training deal where a bunch of game companies show stuff off and apparentally a Nintendo rep was there and confirmed that there will be for sure more than one outside-of-Nintendo character in Brawl. (reference: http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=139687)
obviously, you guys might be like FAKE or something but its a well known poster over there and hes most likely not lying.
so a guy at SRK went to a media training deal where a bunch of game companies show stuff off and apparentally a Nintendo rep was there and confirmed that there will be for sure more than one outside-of-Nintendo character in Brawl. (reference: http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=139687)
obviously, you guys might be like FAKE or something but its a well known poster over there and hes most likely not lying.
sadly, i'd have to get a wii first.
but whenever i do sure thing
sure ill buy it tomorrow, send me the 250$.
edit; todays update is going to be a stage, i just can feel it.
That news topic is awesome. Makes me happy just reading that much.
I don't have a wii either, I plan on buying one later this year, because frankly, I believe SB will be good enough for a 300$ purchase alone.
I'm not buying it if Sonic's not in it, I'm so sure he will be.
im a sonic supporter
fuck megaman though he wouldnt work too well in ssb tbh
but sonic sure
also idk if you can say im good...half the shit i know prolly wont even apply to SSBB (L-Cancel maybe???)
edit: still banking on it being a stage
i'll still play you and kick your ass with Snake even though he's going to be low tier.
mirror matches are rad, but i'd take down shit with low tier anyday.
anyways hes probably going to be low, because his missle is basically a worse PK thunder, his nades are meh, etc.
His FS better be good though.
EDIT: Update is cool but unless you can turn off items + prevent certain stages from being picked itll be useless for competitive guys :(
DN only knows half the shit he does because of me :(
fuck megaman though he wouldnt work too well in ssb tbh!!!
shit i was hoping it would have been pyramid head
oh well maybe next week right guys
PS. Megaman Monday (megamonday)
i think a herd of pikmin controller by olimar in the background would be cool. kind of like the pokemon trainer, only its a whole herd of pikmin and they dont change.That would be a great stage.
only problem is they are tiny. oh well.
Still, we’re working seriously to make this mode fun for even those people.
Edit:I vote for Simon Belmont and Captain N himself.
Also, Megaman was on Captain N.
QuoteStill, we’re working seriously to make this mode fun for even those people.
I take that as meaning they are working to incorporate the online play into the tournament mode.
This update is bigger than you guys probably think- I mean the screenshots reveal neat interface stuff. :)
I vote for Simon Belmont and Captain N himself.I third this. (mentioned capt N pages ago)
i have it on good authority that sonic wont be in the game but tails will...as a skin for kirby.
take that as you will...
I take that as meaning they are working to incorporate the online play into the tournament mode.
This update is bigger than you guys probably think- I mean the screenshots reveal neat interface stuff. :)
Pyramid Head... imagine his grab.
i have it on good authority that sonic wont be in the game but tails will...as a skin for kirby.
take that as you will...
I agree with Miles, Joe would be freakin' sweet. Also Megaman would be cooler than Sonic imo, and Simon Belmont also.
Today's update was just meh. Nothing big.
Did anyone see a Mega Man or Sonic head in that one Tourney screenshot? Eh?
Are you serious? The blue bomber was built as a killing machine!Actually he was created as a lab assistant, but well done for trying.
Actually he was created as a lab assistant, but well done for trying.Perhaps for a lab assistant, but no robot with a powerfully destructive arm cannon can be construed as anything but a killing machine. Thanks, Cocaineman.
I looked at all of them, and sadly, no.
According to Japanese wholesale retailers (who are supposedly right on with info like this), Nintendo is having some sort of conference in Tokyo on October 10th (http://gonintendo.com/?p=25103#comments) where they are supposed to give out info on their upcoming lineup. They're also signed up for E for All (which takes place October 18-21) as a "primary exhibitor" where participants will be able to sample a large variety of games and buy them at the event (http://wii.ign.com/articles/776/776889p1.html). We're bound to see some Brawl info in at least one of these events.
I can't wait to see a video of a real-time Brawl match and hopefully, within the next 20 days, I'll be able to do so.
Perhaps for a lab assistant, but no robot with a powerfully destructive arm cannon can be construed as anything but a killing machine. Thanks, Cocaineman.No, no, they're right. Rock was created as a lab assistant. He was later converted to a fighting robot.
Perhaps for a lab assistant, but no robot with a powerfully destructive arm cannon can be construed as anything but a killing machine. Thanks, Cocaineman.are you challenging the member called "Rockman." on his rockman knowledge?
are you challenging the member called "Rockman." on his rockman knowledge?
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/Rock_before_transforming_to_Mega_Man.png)
this is not a killing machine
Okay guys, the xyz sonic megaman for Brawl is getting old. You have it in your signature, just...
Also yeah Megaman was originally built as a lab assistant but I mean they pretty much rebuilt him for fighting Dr. Wily.
YES MEGAMAN.. Mario will always be the character I'm best with though since the first game.. I mean it took me an hour at most to master him and now I don't ever lose with him because he essentially has the same moves from the very first game.
Can anyone compile a complete list of all of the characters confirmed thus far?
I hate to be a bad-news-betsy, but if Amazon's Brawl boxart is accurate, Sonic is probably not in the game.
I think we can all agree that Sonic is a big enough character to make it onto the box, especially for marketing purposes. That said, either the boxart being used for preoders is temporary, sonic is not in the game, or sonic is a hidden character.
I highly doubt Sonic is a hidden character, as much as I doubt Sonic would be included without being on the cover, but god almighty let's hope.
I hate to be a bad-news-betsy, but if Amazon's Brawl boxart is accurate, Sonic is probably not in the game.
I think we can all agree that Sonic is a big enough character to make it onto the box, especially for marketing purposes. That said, either the boxart being used for preoders is temporary, sonic is not in the game, or sonic is a hidden character.
I highly doubt Sonic is a hidden character, as much as I doubt Sonic would be included without being on the cover, but god almighty let's hope.
This thread gives me a ton of brain damage.
Stop it, seriously. Let it go.
Btw Bowser and DK aren't on the "Box" either... Same with Snake and Zelda, and Diddy Kong...
You see where I'm going with this.
I hate to be a bad-news-betsy, but if Amazon's Brawl boxart is accurate, Sonic is probably not in the game.
I think we can all agree that Sonic is a big enough character to make it onto the box, especially for marketing purposes. That said, either the boxart being used for preoders is temporary, sonic is not in the game, or sonic is a hidden character.
I highly doubt Sonic is a hidden character, as much as I doubt Sonic would be included without being on the cover, but god almighty let's hope.
They don't put unlockable characters on the box art though, nor is the box art official. If Sonic is in the game, my guess is he'd be unlockable.
And another thing about the Mario and Sonic at the Olympics thing. I think it increases his chances of being in Brawl in anything, for two reasons. More people are going to buy Brawl than MaSatO. That's a fact. So if Nintendo wanted to increase their sales of MaSatO, adding Sonic would be a pretty good idea. People play Brawl, they see Sonic, they see that he's in MaSatO, and they decide to buy that. Kind of like how I'm going to buy FE: Path of Radiance and the Wii FE title just because of Ike. They've done this same kind of thing before with Roy to boost sales of the FE game he was in. They could do the same with Sonic for MaSatO.
But the difference is that FE was unknown, Sonic is known. People already know who Sonic is and people have long fantasized about seeing him fight Mario in a game. So if it happens in Brawl, no one will care about MaSatO.
DK, Bowser, Snake, Zelda, or Diddy Kong aren't big enough characters that would sell more of the game if they were on the box. If Sonic is in the game, not putting him on the box would be a huge mistake, just because so many people will randomly see the box and say "ooohhh Sonic is in it? I'll buy it."
wtf Pokemon Trainer > Sonic or Megaman? c'mon now...It's not even Ash, it's just Generic Pokemon Trainer
Hmm, about the online aspect of the game. I don't think it will fare well what with lag and all, especially when timing has to be precise.
.?LagOff, there's always going to be some lag that'll throw off the game.Thats an issue with ANY fighting game (moreso actually due to smash's more simplistic fighting engine) you just learn to work through it, and minor lag doesn't effect the game very much at all.
Yeah, I am a little dissapointed that this means the probably no-show for Ness, but we will probably get a Mother 3 release in the states now. That's how it went with Fire Emblem.
Which US released FE game were Marth and/or Roy in?
While he is timid in nature, he fights splendidly. Is it possible he can surpass even Ness?!That doesn't really sound anti-Ness, guys.
If you went around asking random people who they knew and simply said Snake or Sonic, Sonic would probably win by a landslide.Unless they watched a lot of simpsons.
The first thing I thought when I saw this update (aside from laughing) is that Marcus would be pleased.
Anyway, a new character update and still people are complaining about it being a boring update? Jesus.
EDIT:
That doesn't really sound anti-Ness, guys.
Why can't they be cool like every other fighting game that makes sequels and keep the characters from the last game, bigger roster of characters makes for a more diverse fighting game. How do you take a character like Ness away from the series?
Why can't they be cool like every other fighting game that makes sequels and keep the characters from the last game, bigger roster of characters makes for a more diverse fighting game. How do you take a character like Ness away from the series?/* Ness */
EARTH WORM JIM FOR BRAWL
They might be. They didn't drop anyone between the original and melee. And there isn't any confirmation that anyone will be dropped from Melee to Brawl. Not even Pichu is confirmed dead.
I'm doubtful that Pichu will make it back. Marth too. If either of the Melee FE characters will make it back, it'll be Roy, because Marth looks THERE IS NO FUCKING E IN RIDICULOUSly similar to Ike.
But then again, Lucas looks THERE IS NO FUCKING E IN RIDICULOUSly similar to Ness, so if Ness is in, why not Marth.
I like Ness, although not fighting with him... Lucas will probably replace him, though. Also Sarhan those are all clones, which Melee was full of, so... Bad argument kind of!
Oh, ok. I wasn't talking about the look-alike characters, but the clones. Most look-alikes were really clones, though. Roy, Marth, Doctor Mario, Kid Link... Kirby and Jigglypuff, and Mario and Luigi, can very easily be told apart. Mario and Luigi aren't very similar apart from their clothes and they both have mustaches, and Jigglypuff and Kirby are pretty different too.
Dude Lucas is the shit. What were you expecting, Sonic?
People complain about the update because they don't care much for Lucas and this just means there won't be a new character update for a while.
I finally managed to see that first movie (took a while with all of the people watching it) and holy shit! Fuck, Snake looks awesome. His grabs and throws (he does a suplex on Mario...a freaking suplex) look amazing and this clip featured brand new gameplay, which gives me a huge stiffy. I've been waiting to see something like this in a long ass time.
Best update since Ike and wi-fi.
EDIT: Snake tosses a hand grenade at Wario and it looks like Wario eats it. A new move? It's a pretty cool idea if it is.
And yeah, word going around is that Snake's opening cinematic where he says "Kept you waiting?" is a hint that character introductions before battle (like in the N64 game) are making a return.
Doesn't Kirby do a suplex? Snake's is cooler though.
I noticed that also. They're probably back, unless that scene they showed with Snake was from the subspace emissary. Doubt it though. It looks like they're back and they're going to be better than before.Unless it's something to do with the single player quest.
I noticed that also. They're probably back, unless that scene they showed with Snake was from the subspace emissary. Doubt it though. It looks like they're back and they're going to be better than before.
I found something on YouTube. I thought it was a little more elaborate from what you guys were saying.
Somewhat off-topic...I've heard rumors that they might be releasing SSB 64 on the VC a few weeks before Brawl comes out. They did it right before Metroid was released, so hopefully they'll do the same for Smash. It'd be nice to be able to play all three games on the same console.Now THAT would be awesome.
My fingers are crossed and I really hope this actually happens.
I was really hoping excitebike would be an item, like Wario's bike.
Oh well, I just hope these 2-d trophies aren't just laziness. Half of the ones we've seen already are 2-d.
This is a very strange update. I wonder why they didn't go ahead and make everything 3D? It seems somewhat out of place.
Somewhat off-topic...I've heard rumors that they might be releasing SSB 64 on the VC a few weeks before Brawl comes out. They did it right before Metroid was released, so hopefully they'll do the same for Smash. It'd be nice to be able to play all three games on the same console.
My fingers are crossed and I really hope this actually happens.
Uh.. well, Melee was a huge success and 99% of people who enjoyed SSB enjoyed SSBM, so.. uh.. I don't see what the point of your post is there. No one is even talking about Melee, Sarhan mentioned the original SSB but that's all.
There was a Suplex Kirby (or some such) in Superstar that did all sorts of throws. I'm pretty sure Kirby is using a move from that moveset as his suplex move.
No it's not suplex. I'm 100% sure that it's the Izuna Drop and no matter which FAQ and which fanboy tells you it's suplex, it's not. I know this because it is the throw associated with ninjas and every ninja in every video game uses it, whether they are Spanish Ninjas or some other ninja. It's actually a cliche for ninjas. I can give you a whole list of ninjas that use this move and you can go see for yourself.I never checked any FAQ or fancy whatever - I just played a lot of SSB and Kirby Superstar back in the day. I did just watch a youtube video of Suplex Kirby, and he did the move from SSB.
I never checked any FAQ or fancy whatever - I just played a lot of SSB and Kirby Superstar back in the day. I did just watch a youtube video of Suplex Kirby, and he did the move from SSB.
...wait....I think we're talking about two different throws here. Kirby's back throw is definately from Suplex Kirby.
(I can't see the dojo from work, it's blocked. So if this throw discussion started from something seen on the dojo, I wouldn't know about it.)
...wait....I think we're talking about two different throws here. Kirby's back throw is definately from Suplex Kirby.
Man I just watched the Snake video and um...is his voice that lame sounding in the MGS games? I've never played one but it really sounds like he is grumbling his throat in an attempt to sound badass but he sounds like a pedophile chocking on sand.
The shields were a given a few days ago, but the dodge things I think are going to change the game, big time.
Woo for Fox's smash.
The shields were a given a few days ago, but the dodge things I think are going to change the game, big time.
I really hope they haven't blown it. Melee was near perfect IMO, and if they change too much I think it'll go in the wrong direction.
(although Zamus does look like she's in the air in the regular dodging screenshot).
Dodges have been in SINCE THE ORIGINAL, so... :fogetsmile:
Also Fox's Smash looks cool, but hard to avoid! It seems a little cheap, but then again, Final Smashes are in a way so... :fogetrolleyes:
oh my fucking jesus god christ
if there is any goodness left on this planet, the term "zamus" must never ever come into popular usage.
Well um Smashboards sucks ass and if you post there I just lost a little respect for you.
Well um Smashboards sucks ass and if you post there I just lost a little respect for you.
Too late. That term is used often on SWF, the biggest online smash bros. community.
Actually, there was no dodging in SSB 64. It was only added in Melee.
The stages are three dimensional (although players cannot move with depth, save for a few types of dodges)
Nope, sorry. The original had dodging. In fact I just played it again to make sure on P64, so...
Looks a lot like Sonic and Tails, which is awesome imo. I just wish they would've like blocked the two players from separating, as opposed to the warp thing for player 2.Yeah, they should push the sides of the screen like Toejam & Earl 2.
Looks a lot like Sonic and Tails, which is awesome imo. I just wish they would've like blocked the two players from separating, as opposed to the warp thing for player 2.It's very Kirby Superstarish.
Actually, there was no dodging in SSB 64. It was only added in Melee.Have you even played that game? You could dodge and roll like crazy.
Have you even played that game? You could dodge and roll like crazy.
EDIT:
Just so we're clear:
dodge [doj]
verb, dodged, dodg·ing, noun
–verb (used with object)
1. to elude or evade by a sudden shift of position or by strategy
I roll dodged that comment.
Anywho, what's spot dodging and air dodging and how is it done? (Never played Melee.)
In other news, today's update is pretty awesome. I can imagine hitting up lots of co-op with my siblings/friends.
I'd get a Wii just to play SSBB, really. :laugh:
The speed of the game will be “moderated,” and it was also mentioned in another update that “easiness” will be stressed in Brawl over the “finer details of combat.” What does this mean for us? Well, that the game will probably be a little easier to play.
I hope they don't change it just because Nintendo's trying to target the casual gamer audience.
Is it me or the adventure mode starts to looks a lot like those old time side scrolling beat-em-up from the snes era? :fogetmmh:...which would be totally awesome.
I really hope I'm just misinterpreting the whole thing, but the way that quote is worded makes me think it'll be made more "kid-friendly." I want an in-depth fighter, just like SSB64 and Melee. I hope they don't change it just because Nintendo's trying to target the casual gamer audience.
Wiimote + Nunchuck combo seems awkward to me.
Also fore the HARDCORE versus CASUAL debate fuck you all. Videogames are just videogames.
Maybe something along the lines of...easy to learn, hard to master.
No, this isn't how it should be. I don't want to play a shallow fighting game and I'm sure most people wouldn't want to either. I'm not saying it should be aimed at hardcore gamers, but a fighting game needs to have depth to it. Nightmare said it better than I ever could.
This is exactly what a great game should be, fighting or not. Melee was like this in my opinion. Hopefully you're right and this is what they're actually trying to accomplish.
Also! Question? If Mario gets FLUDD, what are the odds of Luigi getting the Ghost Vacuum?
With the nunchuck it feels like a gamecube controller that is split in half- which feels FUCKING INCREDIBLE. If you've played Twilight Princess you know what I mean- you don't have to force your hands together on this tiny little controller but can relax with your arms at your sides and play with the same feel of control.
That's what I was saying. Games can be easy to learn and hard to master without a bunch of losers pulling the "lol hardcore gamer u suck b/c ure cascual" bullshit. I find the entire concept of "gamer" totally fucking annoying. Ten years ago it was just people who play video games.
Ten years ago it was just people who play video games.man no it fucking wasnt, it was nerds and friends of nerds and you know it
man no it fucking wasnt, it was nerds and friends of nerds and you know it
Is that a joke or are you basing that off the country you live in? Ten years ago the 64 came out. Where I lived games were not part of the nerd cluster and I don't imagine it was different in much of the USA. Except maybe down south... :fogetmmh:
England is not the same as USA, bud.
Yesterday I was at target, in the game section, and this 5 year old kid was getting his dad to buy him a wii. I thought to myself, "Wow, you'd never see that with PS3."
man no it fucking wasnt, it was nerds and friends of nerds and you know it
i mean yeah you have HARDCORE GAMERS (which to me are just casual gamers who have been playing for a lot longer) and then you have ELITIST GAMERS which are the big morons who hang out on secret forums and dont play anyone below a 1.2 point ratio average winsvlose ratio.com. if you are talking about those, i agree fully, they are idiots.
I guess it's just like one of your favorite underground bands getting mainstream.
^ Gamers play basketball and basketball players play video games. Almost everyone at my old High School, athlete or not, played video games. Is their even such a thing as "nerd" anymore? I don't see many people with black-rimmed glasses and pocket protectors druling over quantum math physics. Most of the gamers today are just everyday people.
man being a hardcore anything looks dumb to someone who isnt a hardcore anything. i consider myself a hardcore game purely because i PLAY A LOT OF GAMES and know what i like (note: not most of what the wii currently has)
i mean yeah you have HARDCORE GAMERS (which to me are just casual gamers who have been playing for a lot longer) and then you have ELITIST GAMERS which are the big morons who hang out on secret forums and dont play anyone below a 1.2 point ratio average winsvlose ratio.com. if you are talking about those, i agree fully, they are idiots.
so um yeah, theres a difference between hardcore vs casual and elitist idiots vs everyone. catering purely to the casual crowd hurts everyone else, as does catering to the elitist idiot crowd. catering to the middleground (me) means casual gamers would enjoy it if they just tried a bit harder and elitist idiots can go fuck themselves i dont care about them.
I'm looking forwad to that combination the most. There's plenty of buttons if you think about it- the two trigger buttons on the nunchuck and two buttons on the wiimote that are easily in reach are plenty for smash when you think about, plut the directional pad and the 1 and 2 buttons.My idea of how the Nunchucku + Wii remote controls should be set up....
With the nunchuck it feels like a gamecube controller that is split in half- which feels FUCKING INCREDIBLE. If you've played Twilight Princess you know what I mean- you don't have to force your hands together on this tiny little controller but can relax with your arms at your sides and play with the same feel of control.
anyone else not getting the rss feed?
Hmm I never realized how few buttons were used in SSB games. Actually the Nunchucku + Wii remote control style could work as long as they chill on the motion sensing but I s'pose flicking the Wii Remote in a direction could substitute for the GameCube Controller's C stick auto smashes :hmm:
Uh we already know there is motion sensing controls. You can control mr. angel with the bow faggot guy's arrows with the wiimote by moving it, etc.
Steering up and down will bend the trajectory.
Yeah...
It's probably like a combination of Snake's missile and Link's arrow... Nothing to do with motion sensing. It'll most likely be only for TINY mini-games, like the punching bag. If that.
I thought Samus' SSBM missiles were homing depending on how you fired them.
You could bend the trajectory of Samus missile in SSBM so it's nothing really new.
"He also attacks by farting. He can fart to fly around, too."
"By...farting? You've got to be kidding me!"
"Sadly, no, I am not kidding."
I think the Gamecube controller's really only going to have much of an advantage with people who don't use the Wii for anything but Smash and maybe Virtual Console.
I doubt people who actually play a lot of Wii games and have already grown fond of the Wiimote and nunchuck are going to want to go back to the Cube controller when they don't have to. Also, the fact that it's wireless is a pretty big convenience. Unless you've got a wavebird, the Gamecube controller just can't compete with that aspect.
man no it fucking wasnt, it was nerds and friends of nerds and you know it
My mom played Dr. Mario. My dad liked Super Mario bros, so did my whole family. We all played Duck Hunt. They aren't "hardcore" video games nerds at all. Why do you get this chubby being a "hardcore gamer."great man that is exactly what i was talking about good job at RAISING THE DEAD
The update was on Zero Suit. Cool I guess. Is it me or does it seem like they are way over sexualizing Samus in this game? The whole Snake talk with "Samus just took her clothes off" had some sexual undertones.
The update was on Zero Suit. Cool I guess. Is it me or does it seem like they are way over sexualizing Samus in this game? The whole Snake talk with "Samus just took her clothes off" had some sexual undertones.
I just want to comment that I think it is pretty hilarious how they set up Samus to be a strong female role model in the original NES game, but then gradually turned her into this huge-titted blonde in a latex suit with a whip who progressively takes off more clothes the faster you beat the games she is featured inblame erave his dad plays these games they're marketing to him
Notice they don't mention Zamus' down+B move. Perhaps it will transform her back into Samus, and they don't want us to know yet. Or they could just not have figured it out yet, as I see a lot of characters without their full special moveset listed.
or filter it to "Zero Suit Samus (I USE RETARDED PORTMANTEAUS)"
I just want to comment that I think it is pretty hilarious how they set up Samus to be a strong female role model in the original NES game, but then gradually turned her into this huge-titted blonde in a latex suit with a whip who progressively takes off more clothes the faster you beat the games she is featured inShe did that in the first game. Okay, no whip, but stripped down to a leotard in the first one, and plays through the game that way.
Boo! That's kind of gay. That makes the whole setup even less fun. I was kind of looking forward to having to move around like a maniac while fighting.
I love Samus, but Zero Suit is TOTALLY different it looks like... I dunno how I feel about that.
I love Samus, but Zero Suit is TOTALLY different it looks like... I dunno how I feel about that.
petition to seriously make Zamus a banable word.
or filter it to "Zero Suit Samus (I USE RETARDED PORTMANTEAUS)"
blame erave his dad plays these games they're marketing to him
because I would totally want her to be exactly like the normal samus, yay lets make a new character but make them like the old one in every respect
I actually meant i'd rather not play as ZSS when I don't want to i.e. Final Smash but thanks for the misinterpretation. :fogetbackflip:
Still... ZSS is easier to write than Zero Suit Samus, especially if you're referring to the character multiple times.
is it really saving that much time using an acronym for Zero Suit Samus?
we're not text messaging here, and it's not like they are long words you are abbreviating, like ATM or NASA, or a long sequence, like NaNoWriMo or WYSIWYG.
JICBHLYFA
there I made an acronym for my sentence im like everyone else
the people who say they want ZSS as a normal character...So we're just ignoring that the official sources have already said that the Zero Suit means a loss of power?
you guys make no sense.
There is a difference between Zelda/Shiek and that neither is SUPER OVERPOWERED or anything they are both normal characters, but there is probably a good chance that ZSS is overpowered because she comes out from a fucking super pretty much, you have to do something to earn her power not just do a button combo.
soooo I think its not very likely.
So we're just ignoring that the official sources have already said that the Zero Suit means a loss of power?
She'll be fast, but she probably won't deal as much damage or take a hit as well as Samus, going by what they've said. Her speed might bump her into a higher tier, but I doubt she's going to be broken or anything.
P.S. who is this ashley chick from warioware? the song reminds me of evil dead the music.she's a teenage witch. her set of games in Smooth Moves is DOOOPE.
Heh, how odd, earlier yesterday I said "Uff, Zero Suit Samus... what about Kirby, I haven't hear of him in a while... wonder how his final smash works?" (Something like that)
How about that, I wonder if it has a vacuum effect.
Shut up. You abbreviate RPG Maker 2003 and Gaming World all the time and they're both shorter than Zero Suit Samus. Besides, you type like a child, so who the hell are you to be making up all of these rules?
would you kindly take this to pm, thanks
Play Kirby Superstar, SSBB seems to be taking a lot of the material for kirby and other features from there.I have played it actually. And I did notice this once I saw the space jump and whatnot.
I have played it actually. And I did notice this once I saw the space jump and whatnot.Really? Well, it was pretty rare I suppose. Of course in Super Star the chef power didn't launch enemies into the air after boiling them alive, but other than that it's very true to the game.
I don't think I've ever gotten the chef power though, heh.
in the book of real lifegwhere do i purchas dis book i haev pays pal :fogetshifty:
Google. (http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=warioware+ashley&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi)
She's a little goth girl in the Warioware games, her stages contain gothic imagery and other COOL STUFF etc.
Heh, she's also the character whose theme in Warioware Touched caused something of a stir because of the "hidden message" when you play through the record quickly. :P:fogetgasp: (ya, I youtubed it)
And her theme in Brawl is jawesome.
14:24: Smash Bros. has been delayed in Japan until January 24, 2008.
Nintendo shows a new trailer. Sonic is going to be a playable character! The trailer shows him transforming into Super Sonic.
The game will include online fights. In addition, it will have online cooperative play of some form.
I love you too Sarhan.
Now get on IRC
Also who didnt see Sonic's Final Smash being transform into Super Sonic...
Does the whole January 24th Japanese release date mean a delay for the U.S.? They didn't have a Japanese release date before the conference so I don't know what to make of this.
like i want to tell someone about this strong surge of happiness but anyone i told would just call me gay for getting this excited.
Didn't someone ask what his up+B would be?
I think I've figured it out from watching the video. He makes one of those spring things from his games appear under him. If you listen closely you can hear the sproing sound and see him shoot straight up.
In melee I felt Captain Falcon should've been way faster than Fox/Falco and Sheik, being that he's a racer.
"There’s still a little more development to be done... I’m hoping to complete it without incident."
Did anyone notice that the character icons on the bottom disappear when the players walk through them?
It's... it's almost like...
It's almost like the perfect game has been made...
Ah, man, best update by far. Not only do Sonic's moves all look excellent, they took his music from SA2B (which is the only 3D Sonic that has music I can listen to) and his final is Super Sonic!
So excellent.
Just keep his really lame voice from the game and he'll be great.
so yeah good job pullin that down Nintendo. if you actually got Megaman that would just be nerd explosion though because who else is honestly left as far as classics go?Simon Belmont, I suppose. And Bomberman. Master Higgins, too, -ish.
in all seriousness that's cool I guess! Nintendo really seems to be on the ball for once. even though like...NO ONE other than Jester probably even cares about Sonic, this is pretty much was THE BIG DREAM for nerds everywhere back in the day.
so yeah good job pullin that down Nintendo. if you actually got Megaman that would just be nerd explosion though because who else is honestly left as far as classics go?
Simon Belmont, I suppose. And Bomberman. Master Higgins, too, -ish.
There are probably more, but my memory fails me.
Next, any more non-Nintendo characters that will appear in the game (such as Solid Snake) MUST have appeared on a Nintendo platform before. So for those who want Master Chief in the game, sorry. Also, there will only be 1 or 2 more third party additions to the game, as Sakurai wants the roster to still be mostly Nintendo characters. However, when he said “1 to 2″ more non-Nintendo characters, he worded it as a question, so that number could go up a little. But now we know around how much third party penetration Brawl will have. Additionally, no manga characters (such as Dragonball Z characters, or Naruto) will appear in the game.
who cares about sonic loooooolrofl what? unfortunately there are tons of people who LIKE the recent sonic games
thats right dangerous ned droppin some reality on you........
in all seriousness that's cool I guess! Nintendo really seems to be on the ball for once. even though like...NO ONE other than Jester probably even cares about Sonic, this is pretty much was THE BIG DREAM for nerds everywhere back in the day.
so yeah good job pullin that down Nintendo. if you actually got Megaman that would just be nerd explosion though because who else is honestly left as far as classics go?
rofl what? unfortunately there are tons of people who LIKE the recent sonic games
And yeah I really fucking hope Megaman isn't in it. He just annoys me so much.You suck.
You suck.
Oh, good. I was worried Sarhan's head might've exploded, but he's still posting.
Hey Sarhan, you predicted it! (Eventually).
Tell that to the thousands of ten year old kids who make shitty sprite comics with Megaman sprites that totally ruined any chance of me ever taking the character seriously.Why were you reading those?
I would just like to take this opportunity to thank all the people who said that Sonic would not be in Brawl. If it weren't for your pessimistic doubts, this would not feel like such a victory. Thank you, thank you all!!!In reality everybody knew Sonic would be in the game though, it was just a matter of when. Now thanks to Sonic now there are virtually no chances of any other third party characters appearing. :cry:
Bomberman would be really amazing. His general look and style really would fit with Super Smash Brothers.
Unlike Simon etc. Then again they had Snake. And yeah I really fucking hope Megaman isn't in it. He just annoys me so much.
That's a little pessimistic no?Not at all. I believe that there was mention some time ago that as far as third party franchises go, the absolute maximum we would hope to see is three. Sonic was the character that people were really pushing to include, and was the most requested. With the announcement at the press conference and considering the game is so late in development, there's really no way we would see somebody new. If there is another third party character, we have a little more than a month to see it as December likely won't see any huge surprises considering plans for the original release date.
In reality everybody knew Sonic would be in the game though, it was just a matter of when. Now thanks to Sonic now there are virtually no chances of any other third party characters appearing. :cry:
With the announcement at the press conference and considering the game is so late in development, there's really no way we would see somebody new.
I'm curious, does anyone know who was next on the reader poll for requested characters? Mega Man? Who after that?
On a side note, there are 18 different game series included in Brawl (we know this by the number of icons there are). Icons 13 and 19 are missing, which means there are at least two more series from which there will be characters. Go to: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/images/icon/world_b_18.gif and replace the 18 with a number from 1-20. You'll see what I mean. Sonic being announced filled in the 20 spot.
I agree, but Sonic has a little more momentum than Snake. I expect some kind of video at an E3 or something. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Sonic baddies turn out to be a part of the adventure plot, as I wouldn't be surprised if Dede or K. Rool were. That being said, some of the baddies do suspiciously look like MM/Sonic influenced grunts, but in the same breath the whole Emissary thing reeks with the stench of Heartless.
Why were you reading those?
PS. avoid shit like that. Any popular character in any medium is subject to fanfic, and 99.99% of it is shit. (true fact). It's elementary, my dear Despain.
Just need to say I totally called that.
You are awesome for figuring this out.
I don't get it. How can Bomberman NOT be a boring character and fit right in? Explain please.
Am I the only one that's kinda "meh" about Sonic? His big entrance video was so gay, "Sonic's my name, speed's my game." My roommate and I have been joking that the day Sonic was confirmed he'd jump into Mario or something and give his big thumbs up. Guess we were sorta right.No.
Sonic is a total "meh." character for me. I've only played the games because I bought the Sonic Game Pak (or whatever it's called) with the original games on it for xbox. The games are fun, but sometimes the physics bother me. I mean, who honestly can't jump vertically while standing on a slight incline?
But it will be fun beating the crap out of Sonic using Mario.
The characters are pretty much done already, as is the game itself. All they really have to do is fix up a few minor details and they'll be set. The fact that it's close to launch doesn't mean there won't be a new character. It just means they haven't revealed him yet. Sakurai also said there would be things he wouldn't add to the Dojo because he wanted players to discover them while playing. There's a good chance for another third party. The only problem is figuring out who.I already know this. Let me re-iterate what I said above: The game is essentially complete, as are the characters. If there is another third party player, we have maybe a month and a half for it to be revealed. Why? Well, my reasoning is if there is another third party character I don't that Sakurai would wait until after the launch to reveal it. These kind of negotiations between businesses to include characters like this are pretty big. There definitely would be some press on it.
Am I the only one that's kinda "meh" about Sonic?Yeah, Sonic just doesn't do anything for me. The new gameplay videos were much more exciting than the new character announcement. I'm glad others seem to be enjoying the news though!
i am probably the biggest SONIC AS A CHARACTER fan
Wow after seeing the Sonic video he actually looks pretty sweet.I expect it'll pretty much be like Yoshi's but without the projectiles. In the games Super Sonic could just run REALLY REALLY FAST and not take any damage from anything (except crush and screen edge) and can apparently fly (although he was Hyper Sonic when he flew in S3+K, and he was in space when he flew as SS in SA2, but yeah I assume he'll be able to fly). He could also fly as SS in the official UK comics and and his TOP SPEED sprite in the games was a kind of hovering flight, he just didn't move his legs at all. So yeah flying isn't too unlikely an event.
I'm not like a HUGE SONIC FAN or anything but he looks pretty solid. Also what would being Super/Gold Sonic do, besides make him faster/do more damage?
yeah if they have megaman in brawl, he better not be like this (http://chrono.lunar-net.com/cd/art/megaman-exe.jpg) or this (http://www.thumbbandits.com/forum/uploads/NewsGirl/Megaman_ZX_01.jpg).I'm hoping they base it off of the box art for the american Megaman for the nes.
EDIT: yeah so on the icon pages whats #16 (the one with the leaf)
You are awesome for figuring this out.
This one is for F-Zero. It is in the Samurai Goroh assist trophy update.
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/images/icon/world_b_05.gif
And here is animal crossing
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/images/icon/world_b_15.gif
If Mr. Game and Watch is returning. One of the missing two could be his.
As for the last one, there isn't another possible veteran fighter who would need a new series symbol. So that means there must be yet another series.
EDIT:
To summarize, you can expect:
Captain Falcon
An animal crossing character
Maybe game and watch
Another new fighter not from a new series.
Huh. What animal crossing character is there?
I already know this. Let me re-iterate what I said above: The game is essentially complete, as are the characters. If there is another third party player, we have maybe a month and a half for it to be revealed. Why? Well, my reasoning is if there is another third party character I don't that Sakurai would wait until after the launch to reveal it. These kind of negotiations between businesses to include characters like this are pretty big. There definitely would be some press on it.
Yeah, Sonic just doesn't do anything for me. The new gameplay videos were much more exciting than the new character announcement. I'm glad others seem to be enjoying the news though!
Huh. What animal crossing character is there?
Sega was always nintendo's bitch. OHHHHHHI guess your right. LOL.
I guess your right. LOL.welcome to gaming world: stop making shitty posts or you won't be staying long
I expect it'll pretty much be like Yoshi's but without the projectiles. In the games Super Sonic could just run REALLY REALLY FAST and not take any damage from anything (except crush and screen edge) and can apparently fly (although he was Hyper Sonic when he flew in S3+K, and he was in space when he flew as SS in SA2, but yeah I assume he'll be able to fly). He could also fly as SS in the official UK comics and and his TOP SPEED sprite in the games was a kind of hovering flight, he just didn't move his legs at all. So yeah flying isn't too unlikely an event.
So yeah, flying around and pummeling guys into oblivion seems like a pretty good bet.
Why the fucking shit would you want sonic in a fucking smash brothers game. This fucks up fox's agility and speed, new fastest character. The fuckin hedgehod was in 2 games on the god damned gamecube.Same to you, welcome to GW and all but make more substantial posts (or at least NOT FUCKING FUCK SWEAR FUCKING SWEARING EVERY FUCK FUCKING FUCK WORD).
I bet his moveset will either vamoose or change for the time he is Super...ya, I'm pretty sure all of the characters change when in final smash mode. Like I said, Sonic's controls will more than likely contain flying and hitting things really hard.
I have a theory that people who are against or indifferent towards this Sonic news are under 20 years old. But for old timers like me, we have been waiting for something like this since 1991. (don't bring us down)
You've been waiting for Sonic to appear in Ssb since '91? :gwa: I liked Sonic back when he first came out, but after all the recent games, not so much. I especially don't like his voice and "attitude".
I have a theory that people who are against or indifferent towards this Sonic news are under 20 years old. But for old timers like me, we have been waiting for something like this since 1991. (don't bring us down)
Why the fucking shit would you want sonic in a fucking smash brothers game. This fucks up fox's agility and speed, new fastest character. The fuckin hedgehod was in 2 games on the god damned gamecube.
I have a theory that people who are against or indifferent towards this Sonic news are under 20 years old. But for old timers like me, we have been waiting for something like this since 1991. (don't bring us down)
I liked Sonic back when he first came out, but after all the recent games, not so much. I especially don't like his voice and "attitude".
I liked the SA games, the GBA games and the Rush ones. Heroes was meh, Shadow was garbage and Sonic 2006 (the one released for PS3 and 360) was total shit. Secret Rings is pretty good IMO. His voice, I think, is actually what fits his character and attitude. And speaking of attitude, he always had one from way back in '91, he just didn't have a voice to accompany it. Hence that idle animation of his where he grows impatient and looks at the player and then telling them to go forward by pointing his fingers.
Also idk man but there are still a lot of stages, tracks, items, Assists and Pokemons to cover, maybe even characters. I guess they delayed the game for that reason, to show us the rest of the stuff, but I think they are also fine tuning aspects of it. You never know.
On the context of AC characters, in that link I posted (I sure talk about that link a lot) Sakurai himself mentioned that he wouldn't find it interesting and fitting to see AC characters fighting (actually he said Tom Nook but I guess he doesn't like the idea of other AC characters fighting as well).
His voice is the exact same from the old 90s cartoon, all nasally and whiney. His attitude was great in the beginning, but like Pasty said, he's gone too far from his roots.
Fun Fact: Jaleel White did the voice for Sonic in the old cartoon. Of course, we all remember him as Urkel, from Family Matters.
Ugh, don't start this age disparity argument. Sonic has been in too many bad and uncontrollable titles and has come too far from his roots for him to be a respectable game icon anymore. The Rush titles are two gold watches in a sea of shit, and they need to come out with a phenomenal 3D title to get that respect back. If anything, I'd think people under 20 would be ecstatic because they haven't played the classics, and this type of Sonic gameplay is something they're accustomed to (e.g. they would likely complain that the old Sonic series doesn't 'contain enough variety.')
Yeah, I never played any of those 3D games. I don't think I've played a Sonic game since Sonic 2 or 3. So my ignorance of Sonic's tarnished reputation as an icon allows me to appreciate this update as if he still was a gaming icon.
I have a theory that people who are against or indifferent towards this Sonic news are under 20 years old. But for old timers like me, we have been waiting for something like this since 1991.Wrong bro (I'm 20+) and the Sonic games were all pretty fun (if you are a masochist).
With that, I guess I really don't have anything else to say on the matter! So how about those gameplay videos, eh?
While this is definitely not the final character select screen, at least we probably know now who is playable for the demo next week!Link: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=119903
Translation of article: Basically, this guy says he thinks Brawl feels very similar to Melee. You can pick up one of the veterans and be able to play them immediately. He also says that the smash ball comes out just like a normal item comes out, and that for the wiimote + nunchuck setup, the jump button is the up key on the D pad (thank god for customizable controls).
Kid ICarus, it looks like
Sonic just brings up embarrassing memories from my youth...Hidden content (Click to reveal)(http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/46808/sonic.jpg)
*sniffle*
Pretty sure Snake is bottom row, very middle.I think that's Bowser.
Sonic just brings up embarrassing memories from my youth...Hidden content (Click to reveal)(http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/46808/sonic.jpg)
*sniffle*
Those two moves seem too similar though, I was hoping for a little more variety. Hopefully his regular 'B' attack won't involve him rolling into a ball. And hopefully they will keep him from being able to spam. Looks good besides that though.
Does Mario shink when he gets hit?Yes, mid-taunt. :gwa:
Delayed until February 10th.Probably to put in megaman. :fogetshh:
have you ever even played a sonic game
ps. fuck you
Why do they have to recycle the same move twice? Or is there a difference besides one charges up/may do more damage and the other can jump? If so, let me know please Yes I know that is Sonics trademark, but that is not all he is limited to. (ex: some sort of a ring attack, or some of the attacks from Sonic Battle or Adventure series)
There's no such thing as the Sonic Battle or Adventure series.
...dude it says in the freaking update how they are different
...his Up + B, which summons a spring to send him bouncing high into the sky, and his Spin Dash technique, which can be charged with Down + B or sent flying more quickly with Side + B. No word yet on what his Neutral B will be, but with Sonic playable in the new Smash demo we might find out soon, separate from the SmashBros.com blog.
Does the delay mean more Smash updates? :fogetmmh:They decided to delay because they had more updates than days left. Logically, they had to extend the release date to accomodate this.
They decided to delay because they had more updates than days left. Logically, they had to extend the release date to accomodate this.
He looks pretty much unstopable in those videos, as all we see him doing is kicking ass.
They decided to delay because they had more updates than days left. Logically, they had to extend the release date to accomodate this.
That's what I think as well.
Are...you being serious?
man after watching the videos it kinda hit me how this really is just ssb with new characters/items etcYou expected something different? I'm pretty sure that this is exactly what most people want. After all, Melee was virtually perfect in every way, IMO. I would be extremely upset if they changed the formula more than a tiny bit.
i also dont like that LOL SCREEN RUSH effect at all it looks cheap
Then why go to the Smash dojo at all...?
(i.e. that Meta Knight thing).
Oh, right. I got it, I think. Although, they don't go into much detail at all with Metaknight, besides describing a few of his moves. I can see what you're talking about, though. Personally, for me, I find all this stuff is really REALLY hyping my up to the point of damnit I would just about do anything to get this now. All this info is like fuel to the fire and those gameplay videos just prove its without doubt gonna be one of the best games of all time. Imo.
You expected something different? I'm pretty sure that this is exactly what most people want. After all, Melee was virtually perfect in every way, IMO. I would be extremely upset if they changed the formula more than a tiny bit.i know, its just i was all HYPED UP about this and now i realise i can just go play ssbm and it will be like i am playing ssbb.
Not really, I don't think! There are plenty of similarities between the games in the series, but so much improvement as well. No more clones, new original characters, nicer graphics, better moves, places, and items... Final Smashes, Assist Trophies, new modes of playing, including a what seems to be awesome 1-player/co-op mode... So much stuff has been added or changed, and it looks much better. I'm not sure why your hype died from realizing that all the games in one series of fighting games have strong similarities.Did you watch the video? It just looks like SSBB.
Did you watch the video? It just looks like SSBB.
Like, just that sentence. The video looks like SSBB in a different stage with new characters.
I for one am happy that Brawl hasn't changed much from Melee. Relieved, actually. I was mostly worried about the possibility of Brawl sucking (i.e, not being like Melee, which is a game that I find to be pretty damn close to being perfect). I mean, what else could we expect? It doesn't have to be a completely different game. And certainly there are still things to look forward to other than the the new characters and stages. Take Wi-Fi battles as an example. Wouldn't a GW Brawl tournament be fun to have?
Wouldn't a GW Brawl tournament be fun to have?
What? No, it's not LOL DIFFERENT STROKES in this case. It looks like 4 people playing a game of SSBM with Wii controllers. What exactly looks SO DIFFERENT?
I mean, all the trailers we've been shown so far have pretty much features 100% THE NEW STUFF, ie the Sonic trailer was 100% either the single player (which does look different in that the levels do not look thrown together in 5 minutes) or SONIC SMASHING WALLS AND FLOORS which is a new feature.
But when it boils down to it, the only true gameplay videos we have so far (the IGN ones) do really look like a game of SSBM. What looks so "totally different"?
Note that I'm not saying this is a bad thing, I'm just saying my hype is now gone because I guess I was expecting a BRAND NEW GAME somehow although I don't think I ever expected that to happen at all.
Wouldn't a GW Brawl tournament be fun to have?
Sorry, that wasn't serious.
My bad.
Boo crappy update. Boo! Stuff we already knew or is pointless.What? You got your wish this week, this update is great because most people have always wanted to pause and screenshot in game.
Boo crappy update. Boo! Stuff we already knew or is pointless. I can imagine my brother pausing every ten seconds and saving screenshots. Could get annoying.
All evidence would suggest the opposite, but I really hope they keep Roy in the game.ROFL, he would hate your guts :fogetlaugh:
Like, I guess they could give Ike a dumb crowd chant that goes "WE LIKE IKE! WE LIKE IKE!", but I still don't think that would stack up to "ROY'S OUR BOY". That was the fucking best. If I had a friend named Roy, he would hate me because I would follow him around and chant that all day long. I would also probably call his house at 2 AM in the morning and play the sound test of the announcer shouting "ROY!" into the phone with my TV at full volume and then hang up, but that is something else
Boo crappy update. Boo! Stuff we already knew or is pointless. I can imagine my brother pausing every ten seconds and saving screenshots. Could get annoying.Boo is in this update??!
I like the new update. The blurred out part gives us something to speculate on over the weekend. :pOr a dumb "upload" feature like in some 360 racing/skateboard games.
Even though I think it might be obvious that it is Send Snapshot to Email.
And for the blurred out one, I was actually thinking 'Edit'. Maybe? I dunno.
Yeah I think it's edit too, either the way Despain said or you could edit it with your Wiimote (draw/color stuff etc.) or maybe both! Idk tho, but it would be cool if it was both!
Hey guys... Don't you think the Brawl demo that they showed in California or wherever should be on the WiiShop WiiWare channel, just like Metroid Prime 3? I mean, they had a playable demo for Metroid Prime 3 on that channel to download, and if they put up a demo of Brawl I personally wouldn't be that much pissed towards the delay! I think it'd be a smart move for Nintendo.
I just realised... Smash online is useless due to lag.99% of fighting games now are nearly lagless online (P2P Kaillera, IaMP/MBAC's Caster, Monster and the now defunct Poporu all had nearly lagless connections) so unless Nintendo are huge retards about online play, it should be nearly lagless in 1v1 games at least.
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A lot of people are guessing Megaman is going to be in this Wednesday (a day before E for All). There's a cryptic message posted on Capcom's website that reads:
http://blogs.capcomusa.com/blogs/news.php/2007/10/10/prepare_yourself
A bunch of people are guessing the second line says "prepare yourself for a fight" or "prepare yourself for a brawl" which makes sense if you think about the title. Probably has nothing to do with Megaman, but we can always hope. There's supposed to be a Capcom conference this Wednesday I believe. Maybe we'll hear something then.
EDIT: Also found a timer to go with this: http://www.capcom-unity.com/
I definitely agree with you and I highly doubt it has anything to do with Smash. It's more likely some PS3 game since Capcom was saying how they're losing their PS3 fanbase. One of their comments was something along the lines of, "just wait until next week" and I think it's referring to some PS3 game (something about planets or space or some crap, I can't remember...which would explain the planet background on the countdown).
Still, I'm hoping Mega makes it.
Mysterious countdown fueled by a company comment may suggest a PS3 exclusive to be revealed next week.
Okay so maybe that title was a tad exaggerated. But if you were to view the official Capcom-Unity website you would see a large earth-like sphere under the title "PREPARE YOURSELF," accompanied by a countdown which is set to run out early next week.
While pure speculation at this point, the large planet in the background may suggest a sequel to this year's Lost Planet for the Xbox 360 and PC. There's obviously something going on in the Capcom planning room, as the Senior Director of Strategic Planning & Research (try typing a time or two) replied to a post on its official forums concerning Monster Hunter 3 for the Wii: "Capcom is losing fans. They obviously don't care for their PS3-owner fans." Svensson replied, "Let's see how they [PS3 owners] feel at the end of next week about us."
Yeah, I'm slightly less interested. I don't think we'll be seeing any good updates for a while. I'm guessing they'll just post all of the stuff we've seen from the videos (ATs, items, Pokemon, Norfair, Final Smashes) so I anticipate the next few updates being pretty boring.
I'm waiting until October 18th for E for All. A bunch of pro smashers from L.A. are going and by this Thursday, I'll know if wavedashing and l-cancelling are still in Brawl. There are rumors going around that l-cancelling is now automatic (Bowser recovers very quickly from his aerial attacks) and that wavedashing has been removed (stated by some guy who works for Jeux-France...not sure how good he is at WDing in the first place) so I'm somewhat disappointed, but I'll wait until the professional players give their reports.
New Pork City looks good, I'm glad we finally have a really big stage.
The chimera is a killjoy though, it looked like a tournament passable stage for a minute.
I'm pretty sure Wavedash is still in (someone on SRK said so, mind you this is a guy "in the know) and L-Cancel isnt because of what you said.
I think Eric's right about the banning thing. No way would they allow a stage that can randomly kill you regardless of your damage. I'm hoping Brawl will let you take out random things like this but that probably won't happen.
A better player is aware of his environment and makes the random not so random.
The Chimera is probably to keep people away from one area. Besides, tournament rules are stupid. If you're smart, you could avoid pretty much anything. Not even the exploding crates argument makes much sense when you can toss them far away or, you know, avoid one being flung at you.
i can't wait for brawl to come out so i can only play on a perfectly flat stage with 90% of the game's content disabled
A lot of people are guessing Megaman is going to be in this Wednesday (a day before E for All). There's a cryptic message posted on Capcom's website that reads:Man, Capcom suck. At least Blizzard made an effort to release something big.
http://blogs.capcomusa.com/blogs/news.php/2007/10/10/prepare_yourself
A bunch of people are guessing the second line says "prepare yourself for a fight" or "prepare yourself for a brawl" which makes sense if you think about the title. Probably has nothing to do with Megaman, but we can always hope. There's supposed to be a Capcom conference this Wednesday I believe. Maybe we'll hear something then.
EDIT: Also found a timer to go with this: http://www.capcom-unity.com/
Phoenix Wright joining Brawl.
Also finger point is a one hit kill if it hits.
the other thing about exploding crates and bombs is that they could also simply spawn next to you during an attack with there being no way to stop if from hitting you.
I did some research earlier today. It's either some game called Dark Void for the Wii (for which Capcom recently filed a trademark but has mentioned nothing about) or Bionic Commando which I guess was confirmed to be in development today for the 360, PS3, and PC.
Capcom should hurry up and get Megaman lined up for tomorrow, cause whatever it is, unless it's a new street fighter of course, it's destined to fail.
god this is getting fucking annoying. i figured that after sonic all of you faggots would just shut up with the guessing new character EVERY SINGLE POST. jesus fucking christ i am ashamed to be following this topicWe're just speculating, and the most exciting and interesting thing to speculate about the game is new characters. What did you honestly expect?
I can't speak for anyone else (since I've been hoping for Megaman since I saw the original SSB had 4 hidden characters), but perhaps the latest rash of Megaman talk was spurred by, I don't know, the pending Capcom announcement?
Who is Lucas?!
I don't know, the pending Capcom announcement?
The announcement is for the new Bionic Commando game, so don't get your hopes up for Mega Man to be in this game.
No, it wasn't. The timer is still going, and its for a new game. They are dropping a megaton bomb tomorrow, but other announcements throughout the week as well.
next smash bros character: nerd posting on forum about videogame characters hitting each other.
smash ball attack: dies from overactivity, falls in a cloud of fritos dust.
you said you knew what it was so uh reveal.
Ignoring for the moment that text posted in miniscule font is the de facto standard on this forum for irreverent statements, who is Leon Kennedy?He's a Resident Evil character (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_S._Kennedy)
About the game, I'd really like to see some difference between Mario and Luigi. The two are the cornerstone (well, more Mario) of Nintendo, and more than just colors would be nice.
l-cancelling is in (which gives me a boner)
My only question is this: How will mid-air catching be handled? There better be a mid-air catch for items, because I rarely picked items up from the ground in Melee. Especially the hearts and such.
L-cancelling has been in since the original- it's been in the instruction manuals and stuff. It's not some super secret advanced technique that you smash fags seem to think it is. Of course it would be included.
EDIT: Oh, and FUCKING SHIT PISS BALLS. I wanted to swear and show my anger online too.
edit: way to ninja edit sarhan
:fogetcry:
Thank you and I'm sorry.
you make me cry like a little school boy getting hit by Cr. lk x2, xx SAIII by Ken in 3s after he full parries my Chun-Li's Cr. mk, SAII.
< /3rd Strike joke>
EDIT: megaman in like 3 hours, yess!!!
Would you guys shut up? We're gonna talk about what I wanna talk about: NOT MEGAMAN ok? I know way more about Smash bros than anyone. This is my thread you smashfags.
PS. Since I never could master wavedashing, I'm glad it's gone. Of course I'll still be worthless if they don't bring Falcon in.
99% of fighting games now are nearly lagless online (P2P Kaillera, IaMP/MBAC's Caster, Monster and the now defunct Poporu all had nearly lagless connections) so unless Nintendo are huge retards about online play, it should be nearly lagless in 1v1 games at least.Great news! But seriously though, when considering Smash Brothers' insane pace only a tiny bit of lag could really fuck up a game. Like, when I played melee back in the days with my friend (we played like every day for a year), we were ALWAYS doing something in order to get a strike in, and lag could really fuck this game up bad since it's a really really fast game (fastest fighter I ever played).
Great news! But seriously though, when considering Smash Brothers' insane pace only a tiny bit of lag could really fuck up a game. Like, when I played melee back in the days with my friend (we played like every day for a year), we were ALWAYS doing something in order to get a strike in, and lag could really fuck this game up bad since it's a really really fast game (fastest fighter I ever played).
edit: Haha that made me look sarcastic, but the great news! was sincere. But I can't help worrying nonetheless...
Great news! But seriously though, when considering Smash Brothers' insane pace only a tiny bit of lag could really fuck up a game. Like, when I played melee back in the days with my friend (we played like every day for a year), we were ALWAYS doing something in order to get a strike in, and lag could really fuck this game up bad since it's a really really fast game (fastest fighter I ever played).
edit: Haha that made me look sarcastic, but the great news! was sincere. But I can't help worrying nonetheless...
Too bad about Megaman though, maybe tomorrow. Sonic's update was the day after he was released.
woah i've never actually played megaman but i didn't know he was a cat
Huh?
What do you mean by that?
:fogetlaugh:
you know the one thing that is more annoying than talking about megamanyou know the one thing that is more annoying than talking about megaman
having to read 20 WOULD YOU STOP TALKING ABOUT MEGAMAN posts per page on TOP of them
so yeah everyone quit it
oh the new Street Fighter thing LOL NO SPOILERS.
how do you know that anyways????
PS: Meowth doesn't really raise any interest in the game, so. Uninteresting update for me.
you know the one thing that is more annoying than talking about megamanthere have been one of them so far
having to read 20 WOULD YOU STOP TALKING ABOUT MEGAMAN AND STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT HIM posts per page :fogetnaughty:
PS: Meowth doesn't really raise any interest in the game, so. Uninteresting update for me.
Remind me again why would Megaman be in Brawl? BESIDES being ICONIC LOL
Remind me again why would Megaman be in Brawl? BESIDES being ICONIC LOLWell, being ICONIC is one of the major requirements.
What the heck is Wavedancing? (is it Psytrance??)
Luigi's an alternate palette for Mario. Wait, don't shoot me! At least he's still in Brawl!
i bet tomorrow they will announce that mega man will be in this
and sonic
Short hop then air dodge towards the ground at an angle. You sortof slide across the ground really fast and with L-cancelling you're able to string a bunch of them together to move quickly. Look it up on Youtube.
It's something pretty much that if you can do it you're automaticaly elite and cool (but only if you use it on neutral stages with no items because making use of the game's cool features means you're not a real smash player).
What the heck is Wavedancing? (is it Psytrance??)
You are so fucking funny! Oh man, my sides hurt...seriously...stop...I can't take the pain...
I think they should flood the character list with every character from every Final Fantasy game, making everything else a footnote. Oh, and the useless new characters from Advent Rising and Dirge of Cerberus should be added too.
Actually this game is shaping up to be pretty fucking awesome.
i only want to play as goomba can goomba be a character
Goomba proposal
I have another idea for Goomba - If he touches anyone, they instantly die, unless under the effect of a Super Mushroom.Ok, to make it less radical, if he touches anyone it's the same effect as a poison mushroom - they shrink for a short period of time.
-Sonic's moves don't have much knockback and he isn't as good as expected. Hardest learning curve.
Here are a bunch of short ones from a Gamefaqs user who went to E For All. He says that he'll be going the next three days as well, so more videos will be posted: http://youtube.com/profile?user=Cheeeeseman
Ugh the girls talking through the videos are so fucking annoying that I cannot stand to watch them.Haha, yeah. A lot of people would agree that they are annoying. BUT HEY I've taken a liking to the Meta Knight guy in this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=wxzIeovBtEs
Sonic!?! OMFG no wai! lol ah I expected it, When Sonic came out, it spread faster than gossip did in my school. Besides, in that video, in the game play a smash ball was floating around and no one tried to get it. I mean WTF man, that's a instakill
Not really. New game, new rules. They move basically exactly the same in their games anyway. It might even change her name/cheer to Dixie rather than Diddy.PS. Megaman tomorrow.
How the heck is Dixie Kong a costume for Diddy? Aren't they of different genders? That's a pretty drastic change.
I guess I'm just asking: Is ZS-Samus selectable?
Grr... Where are the new updates...:fogetmmh: On weekdays?
Otherwise...might be cool, but it'll probably just turn into another board that everyone hates.Probably. I never play on Game and Watch's level. I would imagine this is going to be just like it. :fogetnah:
If they make it so a DS (or multiple DS's) that're logged into Picto-Chat can help morph the board a bit...way sweet.
..could it mean what?forward+b is INNOVATION ATTACK where your character has to do gimmicky bullshit to be markettable now!
Yes, the DS is going to be a playable character.
..could it mean what?and this:
Yes, the DS is going to be a playable character.
forward+b is INNOVATION ATTACK where your character has to do gimmicky bullshit to be markettable now!
uhwhat
you guys do realize that the pictochat stage draws itself, right?
like, you can't PLUG IN YOUR DS and draw shit up. the game just does it by itself.
so yeah.
Wait, you guys thought you made the stages with a DS seriously?Then the game would randomly do it?
Haha, how would that work? What if you don't have a DS?
Of course.
It seems to be more like a Pokefloats kind of stage, with more random elements. It looks pretty fun to me.
It was a neat video. I think we've already seen it somwehre though? Right? I swear I saw another version that had 1P DONKEY KONG and 2P DIDDY KONG labels when the screen froze.It appears to be rendered in-game so it wouldn't be that far-fetched.
It leaves me wondering about the partner mode for the Subspace Emissary. It seems like preset combinations (DK and Diddy, Mario and Luigi, Link and Zelda, etc) will have cool introduction videos, but what about other combinations? If me and a friend play with Samus and Lucas, will there be an introduction video for that, too?
Or would it be some generic clips for the individual characters. Would the game developers make a different badass intro video for every possible combination?
Hmm... That'd definitely be a cool option, but that'd be a TON of animations! Also it wouldn't make much sense for, say, Meta Knight and Wario to be jumping out of the forest following a truck filled with bananas.
forward+b is INNOVATION ATTACK where your character has to do gimmicky bullshit to be markettable now!
I love break the targets, but it's kinda depressing that there are only 5 stages now, as opposed to each character having their own. I guess that would be hard to do with 40 characters though.
Oh shit that sucks. You're right- I read it as being five different maps PER character.
Also Dapper they're not having 40 characters?
I don't know of any source that confirms the amount of characters that will be in the game.
Yeah, I figured Meta Knight would have been the only new Kirby character, but perhaps they have a new Kirby game in the works and want to see how much people like the characters.
I'm just thinking out loud. He might be fun to play.
Yeah, I figured Meta Knight would have been the only new Kirby character, but perhaps they have a new Kirby game in the works and want to see how much people like the characters.They've been working on a new Kirby game since near the end gamecube, now its suppose to be a Wii game, which pisses me off so much my anger burns with the fires the a thousand suns(i bought a GC just for the damn thing).
I'm just thinking out loud. He might be fun to play.
I can't even fathom how many characters there will be if it keeps up at this rate until February. It's about a new character every two weeks. That's not including returning veterans.
Actually, I guess that's only six more. That's a lot, but it's not insane.
EDIT: So when do we start the obligatory discussion of the correct pronunciation of King Dedede's name? I think it's something like daydayday but closer to dehdehdeh. I remember some Kirby puzzle game years ago where it was pronounced that way.
I've always thought of it as Dee Dee Dee.
Name confusionAnybody know how to translate /diːdiːdiː/, or /dɛdɛdɛ/ into something we can understand?
Note: This page or section contains IPA phonetic symbols in Unicode. See International Phonetic Alphabet for a pronunciation key.
Due to some inconsistency on Nintendo's part, there is some argument between the spelling and pronunciation of King Dedede's English name. Several games swap between King Dedede and King DeDeDe (in Kirby Super Star, for example, his name is spelled "King De De De"), and various media had the pronunciation either as /diːdiːdiː/, or /dɛdɛdɛ/. The English version of the anime favors /diːdiːdiː/. His Japanese name's spelling (デデデ), however, is pronounced /dehdehdeh/.
In any case, the Japanese one is dehdehdeh, so it'll probably be that in the game.
Anybody know how to translate /diːdiːdiː/, or /dɛdɛdɛ/ into something we can understand?That would sound like DeeDeeDee to you.
f*ck you erave dedede totally rules because they made him a black dude in the anime.
and not like thug but like an old southern guy sayin WELL WELL WELL WE GOTTA GET DIS KIRBY HEAH.
The other characters I really really want are (1st party) Ridley, Ganondorf, MewTwo (updated aka un-nerfed) and Luigi. Captain Falcon is an obvious addition so I'm not really worried about him not making it.
They said no one bigger than Bowser, I believe. So... Unless they do some major size reformatting, Ridley's probably out. I would love to play as him, though.
As soon as (playable) Ridley and unique Ganondorf and fixed Mewtwo are in I'll be very happy.I'm already very happy and even if they released the game with pretty much only what they've shown, I'd still think it's the greatest game ever. Pretty much anything now is more icing on the huge cake (like... very huge... I can already see myself contently playing this game 5 years from now).
EDIT: Also can we go a page without a mention of Megaman unless something official is confirmed, yes?
Simon would be cool and Megaman too I guess? I'm not sure about him.
Also I know but Ridley is actually gigantic compared to everyone else so I was just saying.
i would like to see goro (http://mortal.shang.free.fr/images/mortal%20kombat/mk1/mk1_goro.png).
NEVER!!!!!!11111111He wasn't big in the original, nor is he HUGE in any Metroid game excluding the Metroid Prime series, as far as I know. At best he's twice the height of Samus in any of them, so I think it may be possible for a Ridley character. I don't know how they'd make Ridley balanced, but they'd probably figure something out.
Also Ridley wasn't big in the original NES game, right? ...Anybody?
Nintendo go by their latest models when making SSB characters. Ridley's latest model, the Prime one, is huge. Not as big as Giga Bowser, but as big as Petey Pirahnna, I'd say.I really just don't see anyone being too upset over a slight size change on Ridley. Especially among the japanese, "dramatic scale changes" are more than acceptable--watch any Godzilla movie or mecha series closely and you'll see that. And it's not like the Americans can't understand the concept either, since we did it with King Kong.
Making him playable would mean retconning him back to his more manageable Metroid size, which would cause a lot of the newer Nintendo fans (ie like half their market) to go WHO THE FUCK IS THAT THAT AINT RIDLEY GRRR
edit: plus, they dont seem to be in the habit of making evil characters playable. Bowser, Dedede and Wario are all just like JERKS but none of them are TRULY EVIL (unless they get possessed in the case of Bowser and Dedede). Ridley really is evil, and I don't see him fitting in the storyline mode at all (RIDLEY DECIDES TO THROW ASIDE OLD HATRED FOR SAMUS TO FIGHT A BUNCH OF ROBOTS yeah ok)
What was today's update? (at work - dojo blocked).They could add one of the other Hunters. That could be interesting.
The problem with the Metroid games is that there is only on hero and PC. Ridley is really the only other option if they are set on including another character (unless they decide to add some sort of Chozo or Chutzpah or whatever they are).
That is interesting Severus, but he would be incredibly overpowered considering how agile he supposedly is. Although he IS a huge target which would be easy to attack. Hrmm... I still don't think it could work. He would be better off as a boss, definitely.
What was today's update? (at work - dojo blocked).
The problem with the Metroid games is that there is only on hero and PC. Ridley is really the only other option if they are set on including another character (unless they decide to add some sort of Chozo or Chutzpah or whatever they are).
As to your "evil guys" concept, what about Ganondorf? Ganondorf isn't just a jerk, he really is evil. And Mewtwo may not be pure evil, per se, he's about as close as you get with a franchise like Pokemon.And neither of those characters are in SSBB, yet :/.
This isn't to say that I definitely think Ridley will be in, I just don't know if your arguments are really the reasons he wouldn't be.
So far the only remotely evil character is Metaknight.Well, you could put Wario and Bowser in that group too.
As for clones, yeah, I don't want any clones either. We should have a unique Ganondorf (based on his TP appearance) and a unique Falco. MewTwo should be fixed and be in the game because he is 100x cooler than Jigglypuff (as if Jigglypuff is even cool).
Well, you could put Wario and Bowser in that group too.
EDIT2: Oh god, i hope they don't add rivals for all the characters.K. Rool here we come.
Jigglypuff is too much fun to lose. Smash needs a hilarious wild card joke character.
I think my other post about Sakurai's poll and stuff was truly useless.
there are more not confirmed guys than there are confirmed ones.
Ridley would be cool, and is by far the most obvious Metroid character to include (I mean, Mother Brain or Kraid would honestly not work, and the Hunters from Corruption are all equally non-fleshed-out-enough) but I don't think he'll make it in. He is way too big (he is a fucking SPACE DRAGON after all, and if you tried to shrink him down to, say, Bowser-size, he would look too funky) and it would be hard to give him a lot of moves. I mean, he can basically bite, claw, fly, and maybe breath homing fireballs, but that's it.
I just can't picture him in the game. I don't think he'd work out, on multiple levels.
Also Ridley would be cool but imo Samus is enough. We don't need SO MANY PEOPLE from each game really.
Yep, I was right about it being truly useless.
Do you even get it? I'm saying RIDLEY had as much votes as IKE and DIDDY KONG and guess what, both are in.
do you even get it? its a fucking poll man, it doesnt mean anything. Geno is on the list and not confirmed, and guess what dude? Ike is only in cause of the new Fire Emblem game, and Diddy Kong is in cause of the new Donkey Kong game coming out for the Wii as kind of like HEY THESE GUYS ARE COOL LOOK AT THEIR GAMESThen surely Ridley should be in because of Prime 3, following that logic.
(he's cameoed in the others and this time they have his theme music and no reason to not put him in.)
do you even get it? its a fucking poll man, it doesnt mean anything.
Actually it's not really his theme music. It was played in a lot of boss fights in Super Metroid, it just happened to become associated with him for whatever reason.
do you even get it? its a fucking poll man, it doesnt mean anything. Geno is on the list and not confirmed, and guess what dude? Ike is only in cause of the new Fire Emblem game, and Diddy Kong is in cause of the new Donkey Kong game coming out for the Wii as kind of like HEY THESE GUYS ARE COOL LOOK AT THEIR GAMES
I can't fathom how you could be getting that upset.
Ohhhh yes it does. Dedede got the most votes, he's in. And there's no new Kirby game coming out anytime soon. Sonic was in because he got more votes than even Dedede. It's not A poll it's THE official poll that Sakurai made. So it means everything. Fucking everything.
And before any of you bring up arguments against the playability of Ridley, look at Severus' post thoroughly. He said everything I wanted to say, but in a way I never can (I suck at debates, sadly).
Back then it wasn't his theme but now it is.
Rofl, are you kidding me, guy with Vega avatar? I provide actual reasons why he'd more than likely not be in (Sorry, but he IS too big. They don't scale. They haven't yet.) and the fact he would NOT FIT INTO THE STORY MODE and you say BUT HE HAS VOTES????????
cool so all we have to do is vote for anyone enough and they are a SHOE IN
yes him saying UM THE SIZE WOULD WORK totally disproves me saying UM NO THE SIZE WOULDNT WORK. yeah. thats how arguments work. neither of our claims are backed by anything (he says JIGGLYPUFF WORKED THEREFORE ANYTHING WOULD WORK i say THEY HAVENT INCLUDED ANY GIANTS YET THEREFORE THEY WONT THEY DIDNT MAKE PETEY PLAYABLE FOR THAT REASON) so yeah cool good job at cancelling my reason with a reason that is just as much 100% opinion.
but seriously dude HE GOTS VOTES is ridiculous. sonic would have been in with 0 votes.
so yeah ridley wont be playable :)
Nightmare, are you talking about the 2006 official nintendo poll that asked what characters people wanted? If that's the poll you are talking about, Sonic got more than five votes - he probably got several million. This was worldwide.
Either way, your point is correct and needs to be clarified. Sakurai/Nintendo ASKED readers who they wanted him to include in Brawl. So if he came out and ASKED people he must be taking the results of such a poll into consideration. Therefore, Ridley who I believe was third after Sonic and Megaman, is a serious contender for inclusion.
That, Jester, is why the poll does mean something.
Well from what I've read Sonic was first with more than five votes, Dedede was second and Ridley/Ike/Geno/Diddy third.
they had sonic in brawl last year, Sakarai was just waiting for Sega's permission.
Ummm...I think I pointed out that the poll was made sometime in 2006.
-_-
you missed the point
It means Sonic was already in before the poll, they just needed Sega's permission. he would of been in regardless if he got no votes if Sega said yes, k?
And do you have any proof for that?
im not upset you just seem to think using the word fucking and capital letters = upsetThat's because "fucking" is what is called an intensive, which is to say, a word which modifies the intensity of the statement being made. The use of any intensive will lead to anyone reading what you're writing to assume you are feeling somewhat passionate about what you're saying. Capital letters do the same. If you're not passionately happy or sad, it's pretty much a given to most people that you're angry if you say "fucking" and capitalize your words. Don't blame other people for not understanding how you use the language if you use don't use it right!
Ridley shouldn't and most likely isn't going to make it. He'd just be way too awkward of a character for a game like smash imo. And they did say Bowser (the actual character, not the FS) would be the biggest character, so the whole "Giga Bowser is huge so there's no limitation on size" argument is invalid. Not every game needs multiple reps.
Anyways, I bring good news. Krystal from Star Fox is going to be in Brawl in one form or another (my guess is playable). Some chick named Alesia Glidewell did her voice for Brawl. You can check it out at her site: http://www.alesiaglidewell.com/
Rofl, are you kidding me, guy with Vega avatar? I provide actual reasons why he'd more than likely not be in (Sorry, but he IS too big. They don't scale. They haven't yet.) and the fact he would NOT FIT INTO THE STORY MODE and you say BUT HE HAS VOTES???????
I personally want Captain Olimar in, I think he'd play really well, they'd have a lot to work with.Indeed... I mean, Pikmin is going to show in Brawl one way or the other - no doubt. I don't think Olimar will be a playable character though, but rather an assist trophy. His size kind of... well... defeats any hope for him as a playable.
Indeed... I mean, Pikmin is going to show in Brawl one way or the other - no doubt. I don't think Olimar will be a playable character though, but rather an assist trophy. His size kind of... well... defeats any hope for him as a playable.
But they said that only three 3rd level representitives like Sonic and Snake were allowed in, I'm really curious who the last is gonna be...
Also, there will only be 1 or 2 more third party additions to the game, as Sakurai wants the roster to still be mostly Nintendo characters. However, when he said “1 to 2″ more non-Nintendo characters, he worded it as a question, so that number could go up a little.
and.. that doesnt work in reverse at all, right?This. Also, I think it would be awesome to have Ridley in, I just don't think he will be. If I'm wrong, then I'll be happy because I'll get to play Ridley. If I'm right, who cares?
Also, if you’ve finished registering someone as both a Wii Friend and a Smash friend, you’ll be able to send custom stages to each other.
Wow. Did anyone request this? I didn't see anyone with STAGE BUILDER USER tags in their sig.Well I've always believed that every game should have a stage builder if it's possible (I actually thought about something like this back when you all were talking about how cool it would be of you could draw your own stage using a DS on the Pictochat stage) so I would have requested it but I never expected something like this would actually make it in.
How rude that they add stuff that doesn't have 6000+ votes!
the way the dude wrote the update sounds like there might be another delay coming :(
I just noticed, he says the blurred button on the snapshots is also Submit so I guess I am always right......
How rude that they add stuff that doesn't have 6000+ votes!
"However, the plan is for that stage to vanish once one day has passed. It’s a once-in-a-lifetime encounter."That's very misleading. Only the ones you get randomly from the internet will disappear after a day, not EVERY map you make, just fyi.
So, if its a really good stage, you can't keep it? Lame :(
"However, the plan is for that stage to vanish once one day has passed. It’s a once-in-a-lifetime encounter."
So, if its a really good stage, you can't keep it? Lame :(
Character builder anyone? ;)
"However, the plan is for that stage to vanish once one day has passed. It’s a once-in-a-lifetime encounter."
So, if its a really good stage, you can't keep it? Lame :(
Ones YOU make, YOU KEEP!Maybe if the chosen map is really good and you like it, there'll be an option to save it somehow, I hope.
Ones chosen as best will vanish after there 24hrs of spotlight are over.
i'm going to make a million variations of Final Destination.I was just about to say that all tournaments will be in a custom map that is completely flat.
My head is already spinning with map ideas. Off the top of my head... the bottle. A bottle-shaped enclosed environment to fight in. Like a cage match except the only way to smash someone is to smash them through the narrow neck of it. Although that's not a guaranteed kill as they could climb back in. Also, there are a few jump-through platforms inside the bottle.
"However, the plan is for that stage to vanish once one day has passed. It’s a once-in-a-lifetime encounter."
So, if its a really good stage, you can't keep it? Lame :(
A level where all players are walled in, but with breakable walls (if you can do that). I'd sure love that. I'd be cool if you could do something like having players take extra damage if they're slammed on a wall.
i think a tetris map with falling tetris blocks would be neat, but i doubt you could do that.
I was just about to say that all tournaments will be in a custom map that is completely flat.Just as a question for tournament players: why is it that all the house rules for tournaments seem to be about trying to remove as much depth from the game as possible? I understand taking away elements that rely on randomness (sorta. In that I see why people would whine if you didn't--players who refer to themselves as "competitive" almost always have excuses for making the things they're not good at illegal), but I don't get why you would remove strategic elements.
Just as a question for tournament players: why is it that all the house rules for tournaments seem to be about trying to remove as much depth from the game as possible? I understand taking away elements that rely on randomness (sorta. In that I see why people would whine if you didn't--players who refer to themselves as "competitive" almost always have excuses for making the things they're not good at illegal), but I don't get why you would remove strategic elements.
The same question begs itself when I hear people talking about disabling smash balls and all this other stuff. It's like they want the competitive game to be as arbitrarily unlike the actual game as possible.
Character builder anyone? ;)
"However, the plan is for that stage to vanish once one day has passed. It’s a once-in-a-lifetime encounter."
So, if its a really good stage, you can't keep it? Lame :(
Maybe in a typical fighting game, but half of smash bros fun is the crazy stages and how well you can play on them
Just as a question for tournament players: why is it that all the house rules for tournaments seem to be about trying to remove as much depth from the game as possible? I understand taking away elements that rely on randomness (sorta. In that I see why people would whine if you didn't--players who refer to themselves as "competitive" almost always have excuses for making the things they're not good at illegal), but I don't get why you would remove strategic elements.
The same question begs itself when I hear people talking about disabling smash balls and all this other stuff. It's like they want the competitive game to be as arbitrarily unlike the actual game as possible.
Fuck no.Except that as much as people like to crunch numbers and pretend like they're really intense games of skill, it's not like the one who wins was really the better fighter. The one who wins is just the person whose strategy panned out this time. The randomness of a battle is what even makes a tournament possible. There wouldn't be a point in competition if it were just a question of character and player stats versus one another--the higher stat would always win. But that just flat out isn't the case.
I've thought about this as well. They may make it so you can download the stage onto your SD card. If they don't and if a stage is good, I'll probably just pause, copy the stage down, and remake it myself.
Here's basically how this works. Tournaments are meant to be a test of skill. The player with the most skill is meant to win. Now, most scrubs complain that tourney players are lame and suck because they can't handle random elements in a game and some think they could actually win if items and random stages were allowed. Truth of the matter is, if you had items and random stages on, the pro would still kick the scrub's ass. The competitive players tend to have much better reactions and can think very clearly even in a tough match. That's what makes them good.
Now, when you have only good players playing in a tournament, the difference in skill level is only a fraction of what it is compared to the difference of a pro and scrub. That being said, random elements could fuck the player that is truly better and actually cause him the match (or possibly the tournament) because the player who is worse may just get lucky and win. And as you may or may not know, tournaments are not tests of luck, but tests of skill. Yes, each player should be able to use items just as efficiently as the next, but one player usually gets lucky and ends up getting most of the better items because they spawn closer to him. The randomness/luck factor evens out eventually for every player, but it takes several matches to do so and tournaments are only 2-3 fights per set, which is why they're usually taken out. However, there are items tournaments out there for those who really can't live without them.
If you were in an intense fist fight with someone and there was a chance of someone jumping in and punching either you or your opponent in the nuts randomly, would you want to take that chance?Both opponents have the opportunity to take that chance. A good fighter would come in expecting any cheap shot like that and be prepared to deal with it. A bad fighter would get punched in the nuts and then whine about it afterwards because he didn't think of it first.
What I don't understand however, is why people who have never been to a tournament, will never go to a tournament, and will never play against tournament players even care how they play? I think I've explained Shadowtext's question pretty accurately. I'd like to know the answer to mine.Maybe it's the way tournament players have a tendency of looking down their noses at players who aren't competitive? That's just one thought, though. Another is that some of us would love to play competitively, but find the constant rules-lawyering and whining on the parts of so many of the competitive community ridiculous, and the rules they come up with arbitrary and all in all less fun than the non-competitive game.
Except that as much as people like to crunch numbers and pretend like they're really intense games of skill, it's not like the one who wins was really the better fighter. The one who wins is just the person whose strategy panned out this time. The randomness of a battle is what even makes a tournament possible. There wouldn't be a point in competition if it were just a question of character and player stats versus one another--the higher stat would always win. But that just flat out isn't the case.
So any conceit of objective tests of skill is pretty much just an exercise in futility to start with.
Both opponents have the opportunity to take that chance. A good fighter would come in expecting any cheap shot like that and be prepared to deal with it. A bad fighter would get punched in the nuts and then whine about it afterwards because he didn't think of it first.
Maybe it's the way tournament players have a tendency of looking down their noses at players who aren't competitive? That's just one thought, though. Another is that some of us would love to play competitively, but find the constant rules-lawyering and whining on the parts of so many of the competitive community ridiculous, and the rules they come up with arbitrary and all in all less fun than the non-competitive game.
Except that as much as people like to crunch numbers and pretend like they're really intense games of skill, it's not like the one who wins was really the better fighter. The one who wins is just the person whose strategy panned out this time. The randomness of a battle is what even makes a tournament possible. There wouldn't be a point in competition if it were just a question of character and player stats versus one another--the higher stat would always win. But that just flat out isn't the case.
Another is that some of us would love to play competitively, but find the constant rules-lawyering and whining on the parts of so many of the competitive community ridiculous, and the rules they come up with arbitrary and all in all less fun than the non-competitive game.
My house rules for melee was Choose random stage, only items on wher fire flower, H.R. Bat, Fan, Pokeballs, Rebound things and DK Hammer
Not really. If that was the case, why did Ken (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Hoang) consistently get first place in most of the tournaments he went to? And after he stoped playing smash competitively, a guy named M2K took over and he now ranks number one in most tournaments. How do you explain that?
Is it just me or is it pretty sad that this Super Smash Brothers player has a longer Wikipedia article than Osmo Vanska?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmo_Vanska
Like, not to be a music snob or anything, but I'm pretty sure that Osmo Vanska is probably a more important person than Ken Hoang.
As a potential spectator, I would rather watch a match of Super Smash Bros, not a match of generic fighting game with flat level featuring characters from Super Smash Bros.
Tournaments can be a potential source of entertainment for me (even if its only on youtube), but they aren't because half the game is missing.
Selfish, I know, but Sarhan wanted a real answer.
what? no that would be stupid since the main point of the game is that you're fighting with established characters. making your own character would kinda be missing the point!
on the other hand if they let you play as your Mii character that would actually be pretty cool!
I dress up midgets and do that in real life anyways
duh
Wouldnt you want to put yourself in the game(not as a Mii character..but something more realistic) and beat the shit out of Link?
You guys are forgetting one thing. Tournament players are competing for MONEY. So, if they got blown up by a Bom-Bomb and it cost them 3000$, yea.
no dude Miis would make more sense
You guys are forgetting one thing. Tournament players are competing for MONEY. So, if they got blown up by a Bom-Bomb and it cost them 3000$, yea.
The world you fight in is pretty much determined based on stage number. Stage 1 is based on The Legend of Zelda. Stage 3 is based on Pokémon. And each time, the characters are chosen randomly.
Plus anyone who needs randomness (REAL CONTENTZ LOL) is obviously not a great smash player.Well if you NEED to WIN in order to have FUN, then you aren't a very good PERSON. (not you necessarily (non-tournament situations))
oh shit
we might have to react to the environment AS WELL AS the other players' skill
OH SHIT ABANDON MISSION ABORT ABORT [/i]
I think it's a ridiculous concept, but oh well. I'm pleased to see Classic mode is in, the interface looks nice and snappy.
Plus anyone who needs randomness (REAL CONTENTZ LOL) is obviously not a great smash player.Anyone who can't adapt to randomness is not a good player of anything.
Anyone who can't adapt to randomness is not a good player of anything.
did you even watch the videos sarhan postedglitched landscape (ie the one banned stage video he posted, the rest were just SHOWING OFF HOW GOOD COMPETETORS ARE (well the other two i watched were) is not the same as randomness. banning stages that give a 100% unfair advantage to one player (ie fox in the mario2 stage) is fine. banning one that is equally unfair to all players is just kinda
glitched landscape (ie the one banned stage video he posted, the rest were just SHOWING OFF HOW GOOD COMPETETORS ARE (well the other two i watched were) is not the same as randomness. banning stages that give a 100% unfair advantage to one player (ie fox in the mario2 stage) is fine. banning one that is equally unfair to all players is just kinda
well i wanna say lame but you know its up to the toruney holders. if they are truly happy in boring stages then that doesnt hurt anyone.
I don't get why it even matters how the game is played. There's so many options and customization of the individual battles who cares. But I know for sure if I was playing for a lot of money I wouldn't want a Box to blow me up. If I'm playing with friends, who cares?
Now let's play out that scenario in poker:
*Shadowtext pays in 100 dollars*
*Shadowtext vs. Erave vs. Jester for 5,000 dollars*
*Shadowtext gets a really crap hand*
*Shadowtext sucks at bluffing*
*Shadowtext loses, then bitches and moans until they change the rules of Poker so that he can't get screwed by a bad hand*
Did you just say poker was a game of chance? Oh dear...
Any competitive player of Poker (see what I did there?) will tell you that the hands you're dealt have little to do with who wins at Poker. At least amongst fairly skilled players.
items arent equally unfair, they benefit one player and the rest get screwed and its by random luck. now if every player had access to the same items, then it would be equally unfair etc (that would be pretty ok too imo)no. it's equally unfair in that a box could appear and smack ANYONE in the head. that is what equally unfair means. or.. equally fair. you have the same chance as your enemy as having a fire flower appear at your feet or a bob-omb fall on your face.
who the fuck even wants to play smash brothers on a boring flat stage with no items against one other person.
no. it's equally unfair in that a box could appear and smack ANYONE in the head. that is what equally unfair means. or.. equally fair. you have the same chance as your enemy as having a fire flower appear at your feet or a bob-omb fall on your face.
stages are the only thing that are capable of being totally unfair, due to glitches in their landscape that certain characters can take advantage of.
I would, but I play more for the love of the fight than the actual victory. Sometimes I just want to show what I can really do, and that's easiest on a flat stage without all the random elements.
HOWEVER, I would not want to give up all the other stages and items just because of that! Most of the fun I have playing SSBM is from fighting completely random battles. It's just two sides of the same coin.
I'd argue that by making it final destination you make it easier on everyone playing and it demonstrates less skill, focusing instead on "well I know what this character can do how to block it" which, once again, raises the question as to why you don't play something with huge move sets like Street Fighter or Virtua Fighter.
yeah in addition to this: luck and probability were clearly factors the developers placed in the game to balance it. I don't see why you'd remove it just so you can demonstrate who can hit a sequence of buttons faster.well, you know, like i said, that's up to the tourney guys. obviously they all enjoy it, man! otherwise why would there even BE a smash tourney.. tournament.. event thing?
I'd argue that by making it final destination you make it easier on everyone playing and it demonstrates less skill, focusing instead on "well I know what this character can do how to block it" which, once again, raises the question as to why you don't play something with huge move sets like Street Fighter or Virtua Fighter.
so yeah as long as the hardcore crowd arent arguing OH MAN THAT FEATURE SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN ADDED THAT RUINS IT FOR US i have no beef.
Exactly. Games should never be designed specifically for tournament players, they should be designed for the enjoyment of the people buying it. The point of these games isn't TO WIN MONEY playing them, it's to have a good time. Tournaments can set up their own rules around that, but if they want to whine about features not being added because it ruins their tournament when the average player might enjoy that feature a lot, then they can just find another game to have a tournament with.ya.
Except that as much as people like to crunch numbers and pretend like they're really intense games of skill, it's not like the one who wins was really the better fighter.From playing fighting games obsessively, I can tell you right now that you are dead fucking wrong. AFAIK there's only one computer game were skill matters more and that's Q3.
but i dont think any tourney players ARE saying OH THAT SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN ADDED so i dont really know what we are discussin' up in here
who the fuck even wants to play smash brothers on a boring flat stage with no items against one other person.
what are you, too gay for street fighter?
competitive videogaming is the stupidest thing ever, I would probably be upset if I ever won one of those tournaments with anything other than just PLAYING FOR FUN.
SWEET MOM I GOT A WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE FOR PUNCHING TWENTY JIGGLYPUFFS.
From playing fighting games obsessively, I can tell you right now that you are dead fucking wrong. AFAIK there's only one computer game were skill matters more and that's Q3.
yeah in addition to this: luck and probability were clearly factors the developers placed in the game to balance it. I don't see why you'd remove it just so you can demonstrate who can hit a sequence of buttons faster.Because you're trying to find out who's the better player, and random items is essentially a very complicated way of picking a random player to give a stat boost. Also, they're not added in to balance the game, because they don't, they unbalance it - they're added in for bloody fun! Nowhere near balanced when a newbie can pick up the hammer and stack up 5 kills in 5 seconds, but hey I don't give a damn it's fun as hell.
vf4 is pretty skill oriented i've thought. you can counter counters and shit if you are really fast and know the whole roster's moves.Never played VF4 but heard about it. Fighters with too good counters tend to become all about twitch reflexes rather than tactics, and from what I hear VF4 is one of those. Not really my kinda thing. (Also in case anyone misunderstood me I was talking fighters in general, not SSB in particular)
*erave pays in 100 dollars*
*erave versus jester for 5,000 dollars*
*erave loses*
erave: goddamnit
erave's friend: d00d how did youlose you're the uber skill??
eraves other friend: yeah man he beat you with skill right? ;(
erave: no i lost my chance at 5,000 dollars (my food money for the rest of the year now i have to work washing cars like a bum) because a random box fell on my head and i lost my last stock :fogetshakefist:
erave's friends: :fogetgasp:
well anyone who enters video game tournaments for money for food is a fucking retard anyways
and anyone who lets a box fall on their head deserves to lose
but w.e
yeah anyone who does something for money is really retarded, who works anyways?I think he meant the whole "depending on it as your sole source of income" is retarded. Which is pretty much a given.
you dont realize that tournament players get sponsored and make money for winning and going and stuff too right? if they can consistantly do good they are making more money than most of the people who work normal jobs yearly, and they have more fun at it too.
and no one LETs the box fall on their head, it just kind of randomly appears without notice and kills you.
The point everyone else is trying to make is: boxes falling randomly onto people's heads are part of the game. The tournaments and money and all that can still exist if they play the whole game, instead of just a stripped out, barebones subpart.
It may be "cheap" and "unfair", but it's cheap and unfair to everyone. So I am wondering why tournaments don't include the whole game.
It's like, having a Super Mario Bros. 3 tournament, but only ever playing level 2-4, and then winning the tournament and saying, "I'm the best SMB3 player ever!"
The point everyone else is trying to make is: boxes falling randomly onto people's heads are part of the game. The tournaments and money and all that can still exist if they play the whole game, instead of just a stripped out, barebones subpart.
It may be "cheap" and "unfair", but it's cheap and unfair to everyone. So I am wondering why tournaments don't include the whole game.
It's like, having a Super Mario Bros. 3 tournament, but only ever playing level 2-4, and then winning the tournament and saying, "I'm the best SMB3 player ever!"
This topic is retarded and so are most of the people discussing it
Yeah, but nothing new was mentioned. He usually teases us with something new. Maybe there is something new, but it wasn't mentioned.
Huh? You’re wondering what the coins on the Stage Clear screen are for? Um, you think they’re there to make it look more lively?
No, no. You earn and save these up little by little as you play. And supposedly you can use them somewhere. But no—you don’t use them to shop.
As long as coins aren't a cheap excuse for saying 'If you want King Dedede you need 5 billion coins sorry bucko'.That would be a shop.
Yeah. :fogetsmile:
I like this update, but it was pretty much a given. I guess I like the new system? I'm not sure. Not to offend anyone but imo Ike is enough from Fire Emblem, etc etc. Oh well, can't expect a Stage Builder update every day I suppose.
yeah anyone who does something for money is really retarded, who works anyways?
you dont realize that tournament players get sponsored and make money for winning and going and stuff too right? if they can consistantly do good they are making more money than most of the people who work normal jobs yearly, and they have more fun at it too.
and no one LETs the box fall on their head, it just kind of randomly appears without notice and kills you.
i hate to further any arguments but i meant relying on video game tournaments for food i think a job is a more stable, sure fire way if you wish to live...but i dunno if thats just me
i hate to further any arguments but i meant relying on video game tournaments for food i think a job is a more stable, sure fire way if you wish to live...but i dunno if thats just me
also, i know how boxes work in smash bros, i kinda REALLY REALLY love the series, but i dont think i've ever lost a life because a box fell on my head (and i pretty much always put items, and a lot of times for fun i set them so they appear extremely often...) and i can tell you right now i am no where NEAR a tournament playing level of skill... but otherwise i dont really care about tournaments or their rules (well i'd love to play in a tournament, maybe one day) just thought i'd like to point those things out
As this topic is for speculation on Brawl, I assume it's open to both tourney players and casual players. That said, I don't see why there is no room for speculation on what stages will or will not be used in tourneys.
This topic is more hostile than the Smash boards themselves. All we need now is a hundred people saying "u phail."
This topic is more hostile than the Smash boards themselves. All we need now is a hundred people saying "u phail."
And all stages will be used except for those with random elements anyways. (like New Pork City has that dumb chimera)
Man Im so pissed they put Ike instead of Chrono from Chrono Trigger.. I mean wtf Chrono was made by the DREAM TEAM,he needs more cameos people!
Pretty sure that's been what was said anyhow. :SAgh, again, no one is saying YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO BAN STAGES, it's the fact the tourneys seemed to be MAD they added the stage AT ALL because they won't be able to use it. Tourneys are fine. Banning stages is fine. Saying MAN THAT ONE SHOULDNT BE T HERE AT ALL GRR >_M< is not.
I agree, it has nothing to do with the past games.
Fans of the more wild, random levels shouldn't be offended by levels being banned from tourney play. Serious players most likely play those levels for fun too.
The stages on the dojo right now are probably only a quarter of the stages in Brawl, so it's no surprise that all (most) fall under the category of "too random for tourney play."
It kinda looks like the fish from SMB3. But not quite. It may just be a new concept, which borrowed heavily from SMB3.Is it not the one from Balloon Fight? I'm pretty sure it is.
I think it's awesome, anyway. That fish freaked the hell out of me when I was little.
I think it's awesome, anyway. That fish freaked the hell out of me when I was little.
Is it not the one from Balloon Fight? I'm pretty sure it is.You're probably right.
Man, I SWEAR they made this game for the purpose of being fun.......
Man, I SWEAR they made this game for the purpose of being fun.......
yes they should all go to law school instead and be real men
:words:Gaming has become a professional job now, with companies actually willing to pay people to get their product out there in massive tournaments, and sure that wasn't the way it was back then, I understand that, but you have to be willing to accept that times are changing and gaming is becoming more "out there" to the point where Nintendo's "demographic" is no longer "kids with a couple of adult games" its "casual gamers". A lot of people between the ages of 5 to 50 up now are playing games of some kind, and tournaments are becoming thousands upon thousands of dollar deals that with sponsorships (hell, they played a couple tournaments on TV over here) and shit makes it easy to live off of.
and it's not like we're talking people playing something that requires more knowledge like Starcraft might or a complex moveset like Street Fighter.actually Smash requires a good deal of knowledge at the tournament level you're just kind of blinded by the fact that you still see it as a RANDOM PARTY GAMES to see that. And I've seen you say "complex moveset" like Street Fighter....since when was Down Forward+ Button, Down Back+ Button, Forward Down Forward+ Button, or watch out Down Forward Down Forward + Button or Down Back Down Back + Button complex? The complexity of Street Fighter has pretty much always been corner traps and controlling the field not complex movesets.
Gaming has become a professional job now, with companies actually willing to pay people to get their product out there in massive tournaments, and sure that wasn't the way it was back then, I understand that, but you have to be willing to accept that times are changing and gaming is becoming more "out there" to the point where Nintendo's "demographic" is no longer "kids with a couple of adult games" its "casual gamers". A lot of people between the ages of 5 to 50 up now are playing games of some kind, and tournaments are becoming thousands upon thousands of dollar deals that with sponsorships (hell, they played a couple tournaments on TV over here) and shit makes it easy to live off of.
Granted, we are behind other nations as per usual (Korea has a channel dedicated to StarCraft where all they play is StarCraft matches and tournaments 24/7), but we're catching up to something like that, and I don't know whether its the fact that you think people mastering a game is lame and dumb (yeah who masters something they like lol), or if you just haven't realized that times are changing.
actually Smash requires a good deal of knowledge at the tournament level you're just kind of blinded by the fact that you still see it as a RANDOM PARTY GAMES to see that. And I've seen you say "complex moveset" like Street Fighter....since when was Down Forward+ Button, Down Back+ Button, Forward Down Forward+ Button, or watch out Down Forward Down Forward + Button or Down Back Down Back + Button complex?
dunno i just dont see PROFESSIONAL GAMER as that bad
not as bad as like CHINESE GOLD FARMER anyway. thats worse. theres one right there!
my point was not everyone thinks like you, not that law was a bad career choice.
none of that makes them respectable human beings that we should care about. who the fuck cares about someone who decided his best option in life was to PLAY VIDEOGAMES FOR MONEY.
ahahaha I thought you played Street Fighter and here you are honestly saying it has a movelist as simple as that of Smash Brothers.
well, ya, but like i said i dont see it as that bad. i mean, it's like any other job.. in that.. you do it.. for money. it just so happens instead of FIGHTING CRIME or EMPTYING BINS or TEACHING or BAGGING GROCERIES or SERVING MCKNUGGET FRIES you play games.
I would agree with you there if he didn't suck so hard. The guys who went to E for All said Brawl is much, much more balanced than Melee or SSB64 could ever hope to be, with the sole exception of Ike, whose speed gives him a severe handicap. He hits like a truck (he's supposed to be able to kill with a slightly charged smash at around 60-70%, think Marth's tipper but on every part of his sword) but he is way too slow to make use of his power. His moves don't have a lot of post-attack delay, but the startup lag is supposed to be pretty crippling. Not only that, but his recovery is very crappy (completely vertical with absolutely no horizontal gain whatsoever), which is a pretty big disadvantage considering the fact that he can't jump several times like Kirby and Dedede can (they also have completely vertical recoveries). If they make him weaker but somewhat faster, I'd be fine with having only him from FE, but I don't want the only FE rep. to suck. Either make him useable or add in another character.
none of that makes them respectable human beings that we should care about. who the fuck cares about someone who decided his best option in life was to PLAY VIDEOGAMES FOR MONEY.
Other than Ridley, what other new Nintendo character is likely to be announced next?Im hoping for Black Shadow (from F-Zero). I would really enjoy that.
Bomberman seems more likely than Megaman, but I'm greatly biased (I don't trust my own opinion).
But anyone who's played Bomberman 64 has to agree, having the ability to make one of his bombs grow, into this MASSIVE bomb that he can barely walk while holding, would be a pretty awesome move.
btw
Looking up Megaman on Wiki, trying to find some ridiculous theory on why megaman is confirmed, I found that most of his games were released on December 17th. Weird.
Oh, and supposedly Brawl will be the first Wii game to take up both sides of the disc. If I remember correctly, that means it'll be close to 8.5 gig, which is insane considering Melee was around 1.5. Brawl is going to be huge.
And where IS that fish from?!
Bah, I was hoping for something akin to Shuma Gorath's super in the Versus series games, where Meta Knight would glow a bit, and if he touches an enemy player then the super comes out.
Er... Isn't that exactly what it is?
Um...no? MetaKNight throws his cape out, Shuma literally has to walk up to the enemy.
Oh ok.
But no, that would be banned from tournament play.
uhhh....
why?
EDIT: nevermind you're just being a dick and trying to start the tournament arguement again after the mods said not to
lol
But seriously, I didn't really like Metaknight before, and his smash doesn't seem to redeem him. I think Metaknight is the new Marth.
I still think Marth might come back from Melee...
Anyway, for fun we can speculate what entrances characters might have.Well for Dedede I'm thinking that pic with him on the throne with the Waddle Dees carrying him is his intro. As for Sonic, I'm HOPEING that he flies in on the Tornado (the plane) so that we atleast get a glimpse of Tails.
I wonder what the whole crew from Jericho's on-screen's gonna be like (they've been indirectly announced).
I'm think both him & Roy will be back only now they'll be 1 character, sorta like how 1 of Diddy's costumes is Dixie. In fact when he said he doesn't want any clone characters I'm thinking this is what he meant, I.E Doctor Mario will be a costume for Mario, Falco will be a costume for Fox (I think someone said he also has Wolf O'Donnell). The only question is will these clone characters play even slightly different as they did in Melee (Dixie HAS to have some differences).
(http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/52136/tournament.JPG)
THIS IS TOURNAMENT LEGAL STAGE
FYI, costumes does not mean different models. All it means is the character's costume color looks like another characters. Mario has a color scheme that resembles fire mario. Fox's outfit looks like the same color as Wolf's. Diddy Kong's outfit is the same color as Dixie's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO_MjeQipww). Peach has a Daisy color scheme. Different color schemes do not affect the way a character plays at all.Oh is that all? Then that's just like Melee.
(http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/28227/helgorestage.jpg)that is genius.
everybody post dick-themed stages.heres mine
(img: http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/28227/helgorestage.jpg )
So, moving past the penile references that we all love.From the looks of this video (Around :50), that's what Zero Suit Samus does as her final smash.
Anybody else think you could start as Zero-Suit Samus and then just transform into regular with a Final Smash, a la regular Samus? I think that's the smartest thing to do.
Yeah...at what age do people grow out of penis jokes, again?
I don't get it Krix, how does that look like a dick?
Ugh I wish they'd post more storyline videos to be honest.are you the type of person that reads the entire plot synopsis of a movie before watching it
And the Fire Emblem song sounds, so, great!
Fox's head looks retarded in Brawl. Seriously, he looks like he has Down-Syndrome or something.I like his viewfinder - that way he can assess the powerlevels of the Z Fighters before he does battle.
Fox's head looks retarded in Brawl. Seriously, he looks like he has Down-Syndrome or something.I agree, his forehead is huge (and oddly shaped imo), ugh.
These are some weird pair ups they are making.Jigglypuff C'mon, that was too easy.
If C. Falcon makes it to story mode, wonder who he will be paired up with?
Jigglypuff C'mon, that was too easy.
Yeah...at what age do people grow out of penis jokes, again?About when you die.
Well, I like the Fire Emblem song...but the movie about Fox won't load for me. I'm assuming it's pretty cool though =PHe fights the loch ness monster or something. (I'm assuming it's a pokemans).
Pretty neat, but come on- there's no way Fox could realistically beat Rayquaza. Ever. Unless he was like in his ship shooting beams at it.He kinda made it beat itself, there's just no way around that reflector shield (Rayquaza should've eaten him).
I like him. He looks pretty cool, and as long as he's mostly the same, i'm good.
are you the type of person that reads the entire plot synopsis of a movie before watching itIt's ..not really giving much away.
are you the type of person that reads the entire plot synopsis of a movie before watching it
..yes?
sorry, i like stories. when i pay for a game id like to do everything in it myself rather than have half of it spoiled before it even comes out (and come on, its a smash brothers game so it probably wont have much more story left if they keep revealing bits like this)
that was a really dumb post, especially in bold, tho. its obvious i care, or i wouldnt have said anything at all. or are you just pointing out that i shouldnt care? because i dont see why not. im quite looking forward to how they add a story to game like this, the scenes ive seen so far are actually pretty cool.
and esh i know. i havent played it, id just prefer they dont release all this stuff months before the game comes out because i know people will talk about it and by the time it comes out ill know everything anyway.
yes I agree a game which is nothing more than a loose collaboration of franchise characters with nothing in common at all truly will have a plot worth going through.Man, don't be so inconsiderate to the tastes of others.
hey guys I wrote a crossover fanfiction of CSI/Digimon I hope you all think I'm creative or that a plot like that would be worth it at all.
PLOT SPOILER: DIDDY KONG MEETS ALIEN.
Man, don't be so inconsiderate to the tastes of others.After watching that cinema clip? I think we do actually.
Some people are genuinely looking forward to this game, you don't need to mock them simply because you disagree.
Man, don't be so inconsiderate to the tastes of others.
Some people are genuinely looking forward to this game, you don't need to mock them simply because you disagree.
After watching that cinema clip? I think we do actually.
HOLY CRAP
That fox video was badass, he killed the pokemon! Totally badass, it just made me develop respect for Fox! XDDD
yeah I do when they are so oversensitive as to have something as fucking simple as aliens invade nintendo being an affront.oh fuck off, man. it's obvious im looking forward to it, why the hell does that bother you so much? i dont give a shit if YOU aren't looking forward to it. i like how you gave a dumb fanfic as an example: hint: people who write those actually care about them too.
nooooo my valuable plot!!!!!!!
spoiler: mrs. frizzle goes into arnolds body via the magic school bus.
oh shit sorry guys :(
jesus christ of all the things to care about.
also
exactly; it's a fucking space alien invades video. who the fuck would even think of that as a SPOILER in any way, considering the plot is so obvious from the onset and it's barely anything to begin with, and the video shows nothing that would spoil your enjoyment of the already blatantly obvious plot.
lol maybe it's the clock from Super Mario 2, you know the one that makes all the enemies stop.That's what I thought.
oh fuck off, man. it's obvious im looking forward to it, why the hell does that bother you so much? i dont give a shit if YOU aren't looking forward to it. i like how you gave a dumb fanfic as an example: hint: people who write those actually care about them too.HOW DARE YOU CARE ABOUT SMASH BROTHERS OR HARRY POTTER SPOILERS
also: i dont give a shit what was in that one fox video, like i said, i didnt watch it. i just said MAN I WISH THEY WOULDNT RELEASE SO MANY STORYLINE VIDEOS because they already have released storyline videos in the past, i wasnt saying OH MAN THAT FOX ONE CONTAINS HUGE SPOILERS (because I DID NOT WATCH IT) so quit it.
cool update, although i dont like the fact the beam sword looks even more powerful. it was already powerful enough :x. also what is the clock item coming out of the party ball?
oh fuck off, man. it's obvious im looking forward to it, why the hell does that bother you so much? i dont give a shit if YOU aren't looking forward to it. i like how you gave a dumb fanfic as an example: hint: people who write those actually care about them too.
also: i dont give a shit what was in that one fox video, like i said, i didnt watch it. i just said MAN I WISH THEY WOULDNT RELEASE SO MANY STORYLINE VIDEOS because they already have released storyline videos in the past, i wasnt saying OH MAN THAT FOX ONE CONTAINS HUGE SPOILERS (because I DID NOT WATCH IT) so quit it.
are you the type of person that reads the entire plot synopsis of a movie before watching it
hint: people who write those actually care about them too.
i know that isnt what he's saying but it really feels like it is :(
Also ned, just shut up already. It shouldn't matter to you if anyone cares. I actually am looking forward to finding out what's going on in the game, and although I watch the videos (they don't spoil anything) it's not like TABOO to be curious and looking forward to what looks like an awesome game with an OMFG HOW CUD THEY cool story incorporated.
Huh. I read it as you were telling him that there was not plot to be spoiled, and not to be upset about it, etc. My bad I guess.
i remember when this topic was about discussing smash bros brawl
it has rarely been about that.All of the things you mentioned are about Super Smash Bros. Which is pretty suprising :fogetgasp:
let's face it, there have been about three actual items to discuss.
-game is coming out (final smashes were brought up around now right?)
-sonic
-stage builder
for the rest about 50% of the topic is character speculation or how a final smash will work (guess what they all have flaws wow....unexpected I did not think a move that causes a character to dash around really fast might make him fall??thanks for the posts guys), 40% is pointless debate, and 10% is Sarhan etc whitenoise posting about whatever ITEM updates there were that really, no one cares about. this topic is really nothing more than a glorified circlejerk but it's not too terrible; if you think there was actually discussion though you haven't actually been reading.
Steel, aren't you the one who threw a bitch-fit because people didn't care enough about the post 9/11 world forum?
Why yes, yes I believe you are.
Also, I really think you should be warned for all the asinine bullshit you're bringing into this topic. Get out or shut up because you're just being childish and annoying. It doesn't matter whether or not Jester is being foolishly overexcited for SSBB, he has the right to feel however he wants about whatever he wants. Likewise, you're perfectly entitled to think it's absurd and to say so but you've definitely crossed the line here. We get it. You think Jester is being stupid. We also don't give a shit because this topic is about Super Smash Brothers, not Steel, so quit being a little bitch and just shut up.
EDIT: also, it's fine if the greater part of this topic is inane, because people are excited for this game to be released. If you want this topic to have content of merit then add some, but otherwise go away.
All of the things you mentioned are about Super Smash Bros. Which is pretty suprising :fogetgasp:
Now go rant somewhere else about your usual shit, people being CRAZY and using ORGASMS to talk about things URELATED to sex and other ZANY and RIDICULOUS things.
All of the things you mentioned are about Super Smash Bros. Which is pretty suprising :fogetgasp:
Now go rant somewhere else about your usual shit, people being CRAZY and using ORGASMS to talk about things URELATED to sex and other ZANY and RIDICULOUS things.
This is true for me, too.I hate indians (Click to reveal)Not really (Click to reveal)I find it really weird that I am growing to like you more and more lately, but that GW seems to be hating you more and more lately.
I liked when this topic was just a bunch of guys enjoying the daily news about a game. But then it became a debate about....... something not even clear but maybe I don't understand because I have an attention span of 2 posts.
Steel, weren't you supposed to come back, save GW from itself and then vanish in the shadow?
This is 56 pages long, so it's not like going off-topic as long as it's still somewhat related to SSBB is bad! (Also, I should add that this isn't the point where everybody posts "yes Steel we've had it with your stupid pointless arguments", just let it rest.)
this topic is really nothing more than a glorified circlejerk