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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: wilikeh on August 08, 2007, 12:01:23 am
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http://www.myspace.com/coheedandcambria
new songs: Gravemakers and Gunslingers,
edit: "leaked" song, The Hound (Of Blood and Rank)
http://www.metalsucks.net/track/coheedandcambria-thehoundofbloodandrank.mp3
I figured somebody would make this topic eventually, as I know there are lots of 'heed fans on these boards. So post your thoughts, hopes, expectations, dissapointments (with any albulms or songs). Since its supposed to conclude the story (I know, the prequel is due out next, but still), its sort of fitting that a general discussion thread is made.
Leave the "Coheed sucks balls" comments out. Its been said. If you want to bash, give a teeny bit more reason, thankyamuch.
As for my thoughts, I've followed them from second stage, and i've enjoyed all their albulms. good apollo was a little dissapointing after the originality of second stage, and the atmosphere of IKSOSE. I felt like it was a little lacking on both of those. But it did have alot of solid tracks.
As for this single, I like it. People won't because its more accessible than most Coheed stuff. But I don't mind that, its a catchy song, and I like catchy songs just as much as the next preteen girl. I just hope that they show their wide array of musical styles as well. And yeah, as far as that is concerned, I'm not too worried.
Anyway, yes, I like it. It seems like a mix between the poppy Favor House Atlantic and the heavier Welcome Home. Works for me. I'm a sucker for the "Oh-Oh-Ohs", I have to admit.
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when's it coming out?
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October 23rd IIRC
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Honestly, the whole track feels a little rushed. There are no epicly smooth transitions a la The Crowing! I dont know, it feels like one of those SINGLE edits where they cut out all the guitar solos and half the prechorus and shit.
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It's very...poppy. But I like it all the same. I'm glad Claudio's voice got a bit higher; it sounds like a song off of In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth: 3, which is my favorite by them.
I can't wait for the new album.
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It's very...poppy. But I like it all the same. I'm glad Claudio's voice got a bit higher; it sounds like a song off of In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth: 3, which is my favorite by them.
What
If anything it sounds the least like anything off of IKSE3. It sounds like they took the pop of Good Apollo and multiplied it by 4.
Also his voice sounds awful on the verses. ;( I'm hoping this track is a fluke or something (ala Blood Red Summer)
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This displeases me a bit (finally got around to listening too it)
I Loved SSTB and IKSE MUCH better the Good Apollo (Though Welcome Home is one of my favorite songs by them)
What song does this sound like from IKSE? As ATARI said, it sound like more of Apollo, speaking of ATARI, what was the fluke about Blood Red Summer? Was that their first single or something?
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i like the song because, despite how poppy it sounds, it is really kind of disturbing on a different level. like unsettling, dark, something-about-to-happen. claudio's vocals sound more like they did in IKS. listen to any given song in good appolo - he sings more often with a lower tone, like he is trying to lessen the sound a bit. in this song he is back to those higher notes he left in the older albulms.
as for it not being epic like the crowing - its the first single. it is supposed to be more mainstream, which is definietely is, but it still keeps the sound of the band cohesive. Definitely the more progressive rock sound of the band, but the vocals and some of the riffs are undeniably coheed underneath. As far as their singles go, its up there with A Favor House.
Compare it to:
Favor House Atlantic
Blood Red Summer
The Suffering
and, a little bit of Welcome Home
but not nearly as heavy.
That said, i hope this albulm gives us songs more like ten speed, and another epic or two like in keeping secrets or the crowing. then i will be satisfied until the next release.
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This displeases me a bit (finally got around to listening too it)
I Loved SSTB and IKSE MUCH better the Good Apollo (Though Welcome Home is one of my favorite songs by them)
What song does this sound like from IKSE? As ATARI said, it sound like more of Apollo, speaking of ATARI, what was the fluke about Blood Red Summer? Was that their first single or something?
no
Its just a god awful song on an otherwise really good album
and another epic or two like in keeping secrets or the crowing.
AHhahahaha are you seriously calling the crowing an epic?
Also if this album is anything as poppy as Good Apollo was, I think I'm giving up Coheed for good.
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ahahahahh
yes.
well, it builds like an epic sounding song. its extremely progressive. and the story behind it is epicish as well. so yes, thats what im saying.
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I've always found co and Ca to be a band that needs to be listened an entire album at a time. If you listen to just one song, you don't get the full impact. The entire albums are very good when listened to as a whole, so I was really disappointed by the two singles from In keeping secrets. They didn't fit into the rest of the album.. But that's my opinion. Also, I can't wait for this album, I really want to listen to it NOW!. But if it isn't better than Good Apollo, especially in the second half, where good apollo just lost steam and each song started melting into the other, then I'm gonna lose all hope in these guys, because they seem to turn more and more straightforward rock songs with each album.
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did anybody else get that weird chopped up vibe i got from it?
no
Its just a god awful song on an otherwise really good album
AHhahahaha are you seriously calling the crowing an epic?
Also if this album is anything as poppy as Good Apollo was, I think I'm giving up Coheed for good.
what man? that song is fucking brilliant. i love that song.
also yeah the crowing is totally epic. how is it NOT epic? the ending is so huge. You know, when the "DEAR AMBELINA" bit comes in. that is fucking epic.
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I've always found co and Ca to be a band that needs to be listened an entire album at a time.
That. Athough I can listen to the songs individually and still get a rush off them (See what I did there?). The albums are all masterpieces.
Anyone who calls IV:I poppy should listen to the last 4 tracks, including The Final Cut which will deliver a fresh cup of shut the fuck up to that theory.
Given that the science ficiton behind the music is getting a lot of publicity recently it's increasingly likely that the album will have a good few callbacks to The Second Stage Turbine Blade and their sound then.
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did anybody else get that weird chopped up vibe i got from it?
They played this when I saw them at Warped and though I spent much of their set smothered amongst a bunch of hardcore kids in a moshpit I thought that too. It sounded awkward and rushed. I still have high hopes for the rest of the album though; Blood Red Summer was a pretty bad song too, but the rest of the album was excellent.
listen to any given song in good appolo - he sings more often with a lower tone' date=' like he is trying to lessen the sound a bit.[/quote']
I thought this was more because Good Apollo was from the viewpoint of the Claudio the Writer, rather than Claudio the character.
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how is blood red summer a terrible song?
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They played this when I saw them at Warped and though I spent much of their set smothered amongst a bunch of hardcore kids in a moshpit I thought that too. It sounded awkward and rushed. I still have high hopes for the rest of the album though; Blood Red Summer was a pretty bad song too, but the rest of the album was excellent.
I thought this was more because Good Apollo was from the viewpoint of the Claudio the Writer, rather than Claudio the character.
I also got back from warped tour, and picked on some merch as well. Their new tshirt design is really badass, and the sweater isn't too bad either. The tshirt is like the old dragonfly one but juxtaposed over a blood-red moon with some bloodstains over the front. Its probably their best looking one yet, in my opinion. The hoodie is a bit more basic, with crossed swords on the back, and a little co&ca tag on the front breast. Still nice looking. I'll take a picture and upload if anyones interested.
As for GA - Definitely was from a different viewpoint, but the vocal change wasn't big for me. Even in the willing well songs, where he is back in character, he still sings much lower than he used to.
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yeah i would've bought a coheed shirt if i had the money but i spent most of it on water and an ELLIOTT SMITH WAS MURDERED shirt instead :(
also couch it's not TERRIBLE but in comparison to pretty much the entire rest of the album it is rather weak.
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Nope. I still don't care about Coheed and Cambria.
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props to big hair!
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Nope. I still don't care about Coheed and Cambria.
im not here to convert you :)
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yeah i would've bought a coheed shirt if i had the money but i spent most of it on water and an ELLIOTT SMITH WAS MURDERED shirt instead :(
also couch it's not TERRIBLE but in comparison to pretty much the entire rest of the album it is rather weak.
No way man, it is just different. It is not DARK AND EPIC like the rest of it but it is still pretty badass and original imo.
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Ugh how is it not an awful song If it wasnt' for the lyrics I'd swear it was written for 10 year old girls
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donald fuck imo
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Ugh how is it not an awful song If it wasnt' for the lyrics I'd swear it was written for 10 year old girls
yeah you are right songs that are happy are immature
only brooding anger sadness are real music!!
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yeah you are right songs that are happy are immature
only brooding anger sadness are real music!!
hey, he's getting it!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF6nUMOdwgU
a live recording of "mother superior", another song from the albulm they've been playing live. kinda shitty recording, but what can you expect from a handheld or whatever.
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I stood a foot away of that guy at a comic convention while he was walking to do a panel on Amory Wars.
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I really like this song. This gets me really pumped for the record for sure, Claudio's voice is great on it.
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I like Coheed and Cambria a little bit, but I think I'm probably of the opposite persuasion as the rest of you! That makes me NOT A REAL FAN, I guess, and one of those people that ruins a band's underground credibility as they are propelled to stardom.
Blood Red Summer is my favorite Coheed and Cambria song, so if that's their version of pop, I hope that they get as poppy as they possibly can.
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Honestly, the whole track feels a little rushed. There are no epicly smooth transitions a la The Crowing! I dont know, it feels like one of those SINGLE edits where they cut out all the guitar solos and half the prechorus and shit.
Is it just me or is the lead singer sounding more and more like Geddy Lee with every album?
Song doesn't sound that bad, might pick up the album when it comes out if I have the money. Though the chorus reminds me of "The Kids Aren't Alright." for some reason.
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bumping because Gravemakers and Gunslingers has been released as a second "single", on myspace.
http://myspace.com/coheedandcambria
edit 2:
this is a preview of a few songs on the cd, as well as an interview with claudio sanchez taken from some radio station. 18mb mp3 file. the first song is the title track, 'No World for Tomorrow', i believe.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XZS27LEY
discuss
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Gravemakers and Gunslingers makes me No World for Tomorrow to come out sooner...
Oh well, 12 days...
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I didn't like it. It sounds to me like an oddly constructed song. I am in the same boat as maladroithim, not really a TRUE FAN or whatever, but my favourite songs by C&C are Welcome Home and Cuts Marked in the March of Men. Maybe some of you are right, that C&C is meant to be listened to album by album, but I really wasn't digging this song. Parts of it were too watered-down-for-radio, the lead singer's voice doesn't have the same cutting pitch as he did in earlier albums, and the whole forst minut of the song justs didn't "flow" for me. Sorry, no sale.
And yes, he sounds like Geddy Lee.
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http://www.metalsucks.net/track/coheedandcambria-thehoundofbloodandrank.mp3
another mini-leak. This ones called, "The Hound of Blood and Rank". This one reminds me of Ten Speed, but is a bit more slow sounding. Again, the feel they are going with this albulm I think.
After first listen, I am quite happy with it. I like the new sound alot, and each of these singles has gotten me stupidly amped for this. I am a huge fan of rush and pink floyd, and obviously coheed, and I feel like this is just a huge throw to prog in general.
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The Hound is the best one so far, but still this is overall a let down in comparison to their other albums.
It will probably be well received by the masses though because it is accessible :(.
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Yeah I get the feeling that this is going to be just be Good Apollo part II feat: more pop singles
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well i mean i liked good apollo a lot. this is like what good apollo would have been if it was ALL pop singles. :(.
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i don't really think either song is comparable to good appollo, except maybe Welcome Home. it sounds alot heavier. Everything is much more progressive and heavy. It might be more accessible, I've got no idea, but it is really hard sounding and I feel like it is fitting for the finale to their "saga". If you are talking about being "accessible", their only non-accessible album would be second stage. And yeah, bands change from their first album.
And none of their singles released would really fall in to pop-rock, except maybe The Running Free, but thats a stretch. Its still very, very progressive. Everyone is a pessimist when it comes to new releases.
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and the first song, "No World for Tomorrow", will defintely meet yoru expectations if you need an epic song like In Keeping Secrets. I am willing to gaurentee this album will be more impressive than Good Apollo 1, which I consider to be kind of a flop because of a weak middle.
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Generally if something is "more progressive" it's going to be less accessible so I'm having trouble with your logic so far.
To kind of keep back on the subject though, The hounds is at least a decent song compared to the rest of what I've heard so far from this album
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I'm saying that the songs are structures more like traditional prog rock rongs, for example pink floyd or rush. two legenedary prog bands that are, without a shadow of a doubt, pretty damn accessible. for example, the heavy injection of guitar solos, pretty much everywhere a guitar solo could fit. The guitar work is layered, really layered. Claudio's vocals are up a notch higher than the previous album, but probably still a bit lower than second stage.
from good appollo, the poppy sounding songs, in my opinion, are: Crossing the Frame, Once Upon your Dead Body, Wake Up, and The Suffering. Really, I don't think any of the no world for tomorrow released songs sound even remotely as poppy as any of the ones I mentioned above. A matter of opinion, to some extent, but really, I can't see this albulm being more pop-friendly.
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the album leaked today. I got a copy. i'll post a mini review of the songs.
1. The Reaping
Unlike previous introduciton songs, this not just intrumentals/ambient sounds. Its a haunting ballad that sets the scene for the scene of the album; claudio kilgannon is going to fuck shit up. A couple throws to Good Appollo's ending, "...the world must learn of change to come...
2. No World for Tomorrow - standout
The song spring in to the heavy title track. This is an epic, guitar driven track that will bring you back to In Keeping Secrets in a second. Layered backup vocals and the shouting is really what reminds me of the title tracks of IKS, but the structure and progression of the song builds in a similar fashion. Towards the end of the song, some seething vocals and a heavy bridge leads back to the familiar throwback, "...what did I do to deserve, to deserve all of you?".
3. The Hound (Of Blood and Rank)
Layered guitars and synthesizers bring this upbeat song to life. Another nod to fans, as Claudio wails during the chorus, "You've been a bad, bad, boy!" The heavy guitars are accentuated by some excellent drums in this song in particular. A shreddin' guitar song leads us to the conclusion of the song.
4. Feathers
Those who enjoyed the more light-hearted sounds of coheed will be more than satisfied with this song. The features lighter, melodic guitar work and an upbeat tempo. The song enters a pretty cool bridge towards the end where Claudio steps up the vocals a bit, followed by another guitar solo and some of the familiar coheed and cambria style chanting "oh-oh-ohs". Definitely a radio-friendly song.
5. The Running Free
We've had this one a while. The song starts with some sci-fi ish techno noises and jumps in to a twangy guitar-driven chorus. Seems like a mix between "Welcome Home"'s guitarwork and "A Favor House Atlantic"'s lyrical style and progression. There's a few sing-along bits, too. Song's been around for a while, so I'm just gunna leave it at that.
6. Mother Superior - standout
This a beautiful song. Acoustic guitar plucking opens a slow, haunting song, which grows to a fully-orchestrated sound. Claudio hits some really high notes in this song, and it is a good example of how strong a vocalist he has become (if you like his style, of course). Claudio begins to face the grim reality of his situation, "...No they know you're just a boy, so grow up and be the man...". The ending portion of the song is fantastic. "Truly gone fishing," Sanchez muses, a nod to some well-known progressive pioneers. The guitars build and the whole song has a really larger-than-life feel. A standout track, for sure.
7. Gravemakers and Gunslingers
This is a heavy progressive song filled with hard-hitting guitars, vocals and drums. Claudio sings in an in-your-face style, and is backed up by a female vocalist for some of the chorus. This song features tons of solos and twangy guitar work. The lyrics remind me of "Ten Speed", the way they are delivered. The song breaks down a bit towards the middle and slows down a bit, which sort of breaks the mood up a bit, but the song returns to form to deliver another very cool guitar solo. "There's just no time for this" "Oh come on, this is just the hurt I'm lookin' for!"
8. Justice in Murder
This song reminds me a bit of Good Appollo's weaker middle tracks, but with heavier guitar work. The chorus is the song's saving grace, in my opinion, but overall this track isn't anything too incredible in my opinion. It doesn't feature anything the other tracks don't do better.
The End Complete
I. The Fall of the House Atlantic
Instrumental song that builds to the conclusion of the series. Pretty cool stuff. Gets you pretty amped.
II. Radio Bye Bye
This upbeat song is reminiscent of earlier Coheed, in my opinion. Sort of similar to Favor House Atlantic, but it features a heavy chorus, "We're calling all cowards, now, boy!" Towards the end of the song, we get some oh-ohs to sing along with, before the song spirals to its conclusion.
III. The End Complete - standout
This song builds fast. This song's chorus is haunting and catchy, with layered guitarwork that really emphasizes the build-up of all of the events of claudio's world. You can feel the pressure, you can feel the journey coming to an end. When you get to the familiar scream from "The Crowing", the tempo shifts and the song becomes extremely dark. Hectic, chaotic, the keywork is meeting its conclusion. This song is epic in the way 2113 and the Willing Well songs are epic, there is alot of progression and tempo changes but this song is just crammed full of feeling. The song slows down towards the end, and Claudio's whispers lead you in to the conclusion of the album.
IV. The Road and the Damned
Kind of hard to describe this song. It has a resounding chorus and features some solos. Seems to be Claudio Kilgannon's way of saying goodbye to the world he once knew and the people he loved.
V. On The Brink - standout
This song is pretty damn cool. Reminiscent of Dark Side of the Moon, the guitar work at the beginning of the song will definitely give you imagery of 70's rock. The song builds to a familiar chorus and Claudio reminds us that, "...The world's have now learned, of the worst yet to come..." The chorus is, for lack of a better term, pretty groovy. The song changes tempo quite often, so its hard to really describe it. "So long, amory..." he sings, and power guitars hit to remind you that this is a bloody conclusion to a tale. The song gets really hard, and repetitive with "Hey! Heys!" here, but it serves to build the song. Sweeping piano takes us to the familiar guitarwork of "The Final Cut", and the song ends.
Overall, its a step in a new direction. I personally can only find one track that I immediately think isn't so great. This will probably change, but all the others I enjoyed quite a bit. There are a few tracks that immediately stand out, and Mother Superior and No World for Tomorrow are tracks that any coheed fan will fall in love with. The End Complete and On The Brink are two of their coolest experimental tracks to date. Overall, I enjoy the new sound a ton. I love the allusions to other prog rock, as well as their own albums and fans. Its alot heavier sounding, but the fact is, the story's conclusion called for a very heavy soundtrack. I'm not gunna bother rating it because its dumb after just a few listens, but, I can say that there is something in this album for any coheed fan, whether they enjoyed good apollo or not. Without a doubt in my mind, a much stronger release than their last.
edit: no, not comparable to second stage because, in my opinion, this is a complete new sound. if anything i get the in keeping secrets vibe a bit, but that is also a stretch. it really is its own album. i'll most likely change my mind later, but i'm gunna put it at #2 under second stage, with in keeping secrets coming a close #3, and GA at a comparably distant 4.
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Hm. This new album is pretty good so far. I'm on track 4 right now and I am not that dissapointed although I really wish the dillinger drummer had been involved.
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everytime I hear this band I am amazed by how much better they would be if they killed their singer and got a hiphop dj to produce instead of this weird non-segueing stuff!
they got better I think as far as composing goes though.
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I got the new album yesterday and I am very pleased actually. Didn't really have any expectations and I haven't listened to Coheed in 1.5 years so yeah, good stuff.
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i am pretty disappointed by NWFT. there is none of the PUNCH of any of the previous albums. the studio version of Mother Superior is pretty shallow compared to the acoustic version they played at NAMM. i understand the "we reinvent ourselves with each release" idea but really the bulk of this sounds like generic '80s rock. there is a solo in like EVERY SONG and they all sound the same.
i blame travis stever for this tbh. in between good apollo and nwft claudio was involved in FIRE DEUCE (one of stever's solo projects) which is just really really lame so i think the cheesy '80s style rubbed off on him.
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Yeah I haven't really heard anything from the new album so far that is really standout or worth listening to. It just feels like a collection of unused Burning Star b-sides. The songs really just seem to meander without really going anywhere other than the same place each time.
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man that gunslingers song was so cool until claudio gayed it up with his squeaky voice during the bridge.
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i really can't see how you guys can find songs like NWFT or the end complete similar to GA. The only Good Appollo song I could see fitting in with this CD would be welcome home. guess its just a matter of opinion.
That said, I can completely understand people not liking it for sounding like 80's rock.
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yeah, honestly this album still isnt overall as good as IKSSE3 or GA. Still though, I dont know, its growing on me.
d be if they killed their singer and got a hiphop dj to produce instead of this weird non-segueing stuff!
please clarify
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their singer is horrible and they have decent riffs but no idea how to make them flow together?
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hmm, i dont know that I really noticed any lack of SMOOTH at all. I mean, some of the coheed tracks are the epitome of awesome epic transition-- IE The Crowing or Three Evils
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the whole thing's on their myspace now.
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It's a grower. That's all I can say right now. Listened to it 4 or 5 times and I like it more each time. Beefed with a few tracks but they're acceptable.
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Thrice's new album beats it down tbh.
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water is pretty fantastic, i will certainly admit. and fire gets better with every listen. i bought the new thrice a few days ago... but why bother with this band vs this band. its a very different kind of music.
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from your review it sounds pretty good. I'll definately be buying it when it comes out (or I'll wait about a week till it's in the bargain bin. Noone around here likes Coheed and Cambria)
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feathers rules but that stupid OOOOH OOOOH OOOH sucks.
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coheed would be so much better if claudio dropped dead.
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claudio is coheed man-- i mean the rest of the band contributes, but he is the driving force in terms of music.
coheed wouldnt be coheed if claudio dropped dead.
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Exactly.
I love the new album. I feel its a combination of InKeepingSecrets and GoodApollo. "The Road and the Damned" is right now my favourite. It sounds so different from their other stuff.
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(ps dont interpret my rebuttal of ryans point as support for this album!)