uh...so what? characters in books are supposed to be like people in real life to an extent, and shock and awe theres gay people in real life too.Proof?
Yeah, it's pretty weird that someone would make a character in their story gay.
sounds like a cop-out to make the character fit more with Ian McKellen imho
just like how his death felt like a cop-out to avoid using a replacement for too long
haha what
either i read the books poorly and missed a lot or this is just completely out of the blue
Oh NO! first the old beardy wizard from Lord of the rings and now this! What's the new fad with gay old magic people? Is it because it's less icky considering they don't have sex?
On an unrelated note I love how some crazy Christians hate Harry Potter books because of their godlessness but o wat do we hav here celebratin chistmas no doubt (in like every book).Hard-liners come out every once in a while to denounce things. Especially science fiction and fantasy are subject to their criticism. Take any popular fantasy movie or series, like Heroes or Pokémon, for example. They seem like relatively harmless programs, but according to some christians, watching these shows is like worshipping the devil. After all, they argue, since the fantasy elements (e.g. magic powers) were not granted to the characters by god, they "must have come from the devil". Literally. But then again it's probably best to completely ignore these people!
This is just stupid... If she were to publish a book full of unknown information on the Harry Potter universe it wouldn't be so random... It's like saying Godzilla is gay...
Hard-liners come out every once in a while to denounce things. Especially science fiction and fantasy are subject to their criticism. Take any popular fantasy movie or series, like Heroes or Pokémon, for example. They seem like relatively harmless programs, but according to some christians, watching these shows is like worshipping the devil. After all, they argue, since the fantasy elements (e.g. magic powers) were not granted to the characters by god, they "must have come from the devil". Literally. But then again it's probably best to completely ignore these people!
Gandalf's not gay.
pps who the fuck criticized POKEMON for being anti-christian? i never heard about that! it seems kind of senseless since like, who would expect anything else from a game imported from a country where christianity is far from the major religion?
The actor who played him in the movies is, apparently.That still doesn't make Gandalf gay.
Dumbledore's closeness to Harry. It always seems to go a little farther then a mentor-student relationship for Dumbledore, especially after the incidents in the Department of Mysteries and in the imaginary King's Cross near the end of the story, when he's explaining how he cares about Harry so much. There's a good chance that Harry reminded him of the young Grindewald. He'd be about the right age from about the 5th book on, wouldn't he?oh come on! re-read that, and then think about the fact that
"Oh my god the fan fiction"I had a friend in highschool whose parents wouldn't allow him to play any D&D-based games (Neverwinter Nights etc) because of this and "they'll ruin your life". pretty far north from the bible belt too! we called him Snausages
J.K. Rowling sits around reading her own work's fanfiction?
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The same people who called D&D anti-Christian. (http://www.cephasministry.com/save_our_children_pokemon_booklet.html)
We have since been told that [pokemon cards] are stepping stones to the 'Magic cards' that have been popular for the last few years, which we do not allow."g-gateway TCGs :shocking:
How can a fictional character have a sexual preference?uhhh
First cowboys, now wizards. What will be the last bastion of heterosexuality?
Wth!? Make this hetero for a second. If a really really old chick is tutoring a KID boy... is she going to have feelings for him?
- Dumbledore's closeness to Harry. It always seems to go a little farther then a mentor-student relationship for Dumbledore, especially after the incidents in the Department of Mysteries and in the imaginary King's Cross near the end of the story, when he's explaining how he cares about Harry so much. There's a good chance that Harry reminded him of the young Grindewald. He'd be about the right age from about the 5th book on, wouldn't he?
Shit. Next will be gay Vikings.
"Dumbledore is gay," the author responded to gasps and applause.
oh come on! re-read that, and then think about the fact that
-it's a children's book series
-it'd make him GAY PAEDOPHILE HERO which would be suicide as an author
-it's dumb ARE YOU DUMB
-Dumbledore may be gay, but it doesn't mean he gets a boner for every guy, even if he's like someone he knew once
-he'd be strong enough not to fall for a student
-the theory seems like you've just made this tenuous connection GAY TO GAAAY
Wth!? Make this hetero for a second. If a really really old chick is tutoring a KID boy... is she going to have feelings for him?I'm sorry, but both of you are making unwarranted assumtions about human sexuality which only reflect the socially acceptable standards of the day. The moral values you are attempting to advance have little or no reflection on what can be, and usually is felt naturally as a human being. Humans reach physical maturity during puberty, which had already occured to Harry by the events I had cited. Given this, I think it would be perfectly reasonable for someone to feel sexually attracted to another physically mature person they spend any amount of close time with, even without being a "paedo" and especially if that person reminded him of someone he had a strong sexual attraction to previously.
Just because he's gay doesn't make him a pedo.
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The same people who called D&D anti-Christian. (http://www.cephasministry.com/save_our_children_pokemon_booklet.html)
Turkey Warns Against Pokemon
ISTANBUL, Turkey (AP) -- Turkey's health minister urged TV stations Saturday to replace Pokemon cartoons with other children's programs after a 7-year-old girl jumped off a balcony apparently believing she was a Pokemon character with superhuman powers. Seda Aykanat, who jumped off her fifth-floor balcony Friday and broke her leg, was the second Turkish child to jump off a balcony apparently to imitate Pokemon characters -- cartoon animals with special powers. Earlier, a 4-year-old boy sustained injuries after a similar jump. Health Minister Osman Durmus already had asked ministry experts to study the effect of the Pokemon cartoon on children. The experts concluded Friday that the cartoon distanced children from reality, confused them by presenting both ''good and bad heroes,'' and desensitized them to violence, daily Hurriyet reported Saturday. Full story at: http://www.newsday.com/ap/text/international/ap934.htm
uh...so what? characters in books are supposed to be like people in real life to an extent, and shock and awe theres gay people in real life too.Not according to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad! (sorry if joke had been said earlier, too long didn't read)
I'm sorry, but both of you are making unwarranted assumtions about human sexuality which only reflect the socially acceptable standards of the day. The moral values you are attempting to advance have little or no reflection on what can be, and usually is felt naturally as a human being. Humans reach physical maturity during puberty, which had already occured to Harry by the events I had cited. Given this, I think it would be perfectly reasonable for someone to feel sexually attracted to another physically mature person they spend any amount of close time with, even without being a "paedo" and especially if that person reminded him of someone he had a strong sexual attraction to previously.
Personally, I think this kind of subtext would make Rowling even better of an author then I already think she is.
If it wasn't evident in the actual books I don't understand why the hell this matters now at all.
I'm sorry, but both of you are making unwarranted assumtions about human sexuality which only reflect the socially acceptable standards of the day. The moral values you are attempting to advance have little or no reflection on what can be, and usually is felt naturally as a human being. Humans reach physical maturity during puberty, which had already occured to Harry by the events I had cited. Given this, I think it would be perfectly reasonable for someone to feel sexually attracted to another physically mature person they spend any amount of close time with, even without being a "paedo" and especially if that person reminded him of someone he had a strong sexual attraction to previously.why are you sorry lmaaaao.
Personally, I think this kind of subtext would make Rowling even better of an author then I already think she is.
The Christian hate groups on TCGs are retarded. Didn't the pope praise M:TG as an effective learning tool for developmental children? I mean, you're life's gotta suck to be playing into your twenties, but I don't see why the religious hate.
why are you sorry lmaaaao.
again, you've just made this link from "HE'S GAY?" to "his closeness to another male must mean... OH MY GOD IT ALL MAKES SENSE".
in a series of books about witches and wizards.
for children.
right and wrong are just words, preached to us by an unthinking, unquestioning flock of sheeps.lol
heh adeline.... please spare us the your posturing stances of moral superiority. like myself, safari has finally become disillusioned enough with "the system" as we free thinkers call it, to finally begin to question the world around us. you see, the concepts you're trying to force on us in this topic have absolutely zero basis in reality. they are merely arbitrary judgements; metaphysical in nature, with no proper bearing on the world. perhaps someday you will lay down the mantle of the philistine and, like us, shed your inhibitions and assumptions about society, for as my freshman philosophy professor down at the local community college once said... right and wrong are just words, preached to us by an unthinking, unquestioning flock of sheeps.Ugh heh are you serious... I could teach you a thing or two. It's called the Matrix have you heard of it???BULLSHIT MOVIE because they stole from animes and Darkcity. I also read Sophie's World (twice!), a Wikipedia article about Derrida and deconstruction, and my friend once said the word Kant so I think I am far more qualified than you.
He's gay. Big whoop. I actually figured that before the 'unveiling'. I won't say that it's obvious, but it's there if you look. And you're right, it is a kids book, so it doesn't really focus on the relationship side of things other than making out, even with the hetro relationships.
It's not like she deliberately led us to believe that he was straight. Come on - he's one of a few of the elder wizards/witches that don't have a spouse. There was always going to be a chance that someone was gay (I'd pegged Charlie Weasley and Dumbledore myself. 1 out of 2 ain't bad.)
Besides, he isn't going to be mooning over every male in the immediate area, because being gay is about loving someone of the same gender. Love strikes where it will, people. And the one he loved is dead. That's not to say that he doesn't feel love for others, but no others are mentioned.
I always figured that Dumbledore and Harry's relationship was that of Mentor/Student + Grandfather/Grandson. Innocent.
for as my freshman philosophy professor down at the local community college once said... right and wrong are just words, preached to us by an unthinking, unquestioning flock of sheeps.Oh god, more stupid college kid thinking.
Oh god, more stupid college kid thinking.
If I see you in person, remind me to punch you in the nuts and piss on your head. If you tell me I'm not wrong for doing so then I'll repeat the process until you learn otherwise. Right and Wrong are words, yes, but law and chaos are concepts that govern the universe and if adhering to them makes me a sheep then I'll gladly punch your balls all day long because, by nature, I'm bigger than you thus making me higher on the food chain.
a word is composed merely of a collection of sounds people make or a set of symbols people scribe containing some abstract, supposedly fixed definition. The essence of a word's existence is within the connotation people get out of it.
I wonder if Aberforth knows...
he's kidding (how did you not get this?) but Safari Goku did say something very similar to this once!
Doesn't bother me. Everyone analyses what they read/see/hear/taste/touch whether they think they do or not. How else would you come up with the opinions you spout?
dont worry guys: at least this gay is dead
by taking them at somewhat face value, especially considering the fact they are designed for children, instead of retroactively applying meanings and subtexts that don't exist?(http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/36080/raydance.GIF)
Ah, but they do exist, as the writer herself admits. ~.^
Unless there are graphic depictions of dumbledore viciously popping young harry's brown cherry written in the book the fact that the character is gay really doesn't matter at all. There are famous gay people through out history and there have been movies made about them. 300 for instance, Spartan warriors were encouraged to take male lovers, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the movie was nicely done. People just get too up in arms about this kind of shit and it really doesn't matter at all. Also, I highly doubt that this will influence any young muggles (or what ever they call the non-magical underclass) to choose homosexuality as a lifestyle. This is just pointless tripe which only serves to further distract the masses from important issues.
i posted this because i wanted to be able to tell everyone i know that i posted in a message board topic about the sexual orientation of harry potter characterson that note. I feel rather... disconnected with the community at large here sometimes. The crazy shit you guys seem to end up talking about generally isnt applicable to me. I'd love to join in on some of these whacky ass things you guys talk about like gay characters in childrens novels
Ah, but they do exist, as the writer herself admits. ~.^
on that note. I feel rather... disconnected with the community at large here sometimes. The crazy shit you guys seem to end up talking about generally isnt applicable to me. I'd love to join in on some of these whacky ass things you guys talk about like gay characters in childrens novels
but I just cant seem to keep up. I guess thats what I get for
what the fuck am I talking about
somebody's drunk!I dont think (or remember) that hemingway and faulkner wrote in stream of consciousness because they were like literary giants or whatever geniuses ahead of their time akinto like eistein in 1905 like SPACERNDTIME R THE SAME THING WOAH
If it wasn't evident in the actual books I don't understand why the hell this matters now at all.It doesn't - as spacelion earlier mentioned Rowling seems to have been planning a sort of Harry Potter encyclopedia full of neat-o but ultimately irrelevant facts for the fans to enjoy. Dumbledore's sexuality is on the same level as arguing whether or not Balrog has wings or what color Legolas's hair is - the difference being that as regards to Dumbledore we now have Word Of God and are going to have a shitload of illicit fanfiction.
He's gay. Big whoop. I actually figured that before the 'unveiling'. I won't say that it's obvious, but it's there if you look. And you're right, it is a kids book, so it doesn't really focus on the relationship side of things other than making out, even with the hetro relationships.
It's not like she deliberately led us to believe that he was straight. Come on - he's one of a few of the elder wizards/witches that don't have a spouse. There was always going to be a chance that someone was gay (I'd pegged Charlie Weasley and Dumbledore myself. 1 out of 2 ain't bad.)
Besides, he isn't going to be mooning over every male in the immediate area, because being gay is about loving someone of the same gender. Love strikes where it will, people. And the one he loved is dead. That's not to say that he doesn't feel love for others, but no others are mentioned.
I always figured that Dumbledore and Harry's relationship was that of Mentor/Student + Grandfather/Grandson. Innocent.
The question was: Did Dumbledore, who believed in the prevailing power of love, ever fall in love himself?
JKR: My truthful answer to you... I always thought of Dumbledore as gay. [ovation.] ... Dumbledore fell in love with Grindelwald, and that that added to his horror when Grindelwald showed himself to be what he was. To an extent, do we say it excused Dumbledore a little more because falling in love can blind us to an extent, but he met someone as brilliant as he was, and rather like Bellatrix he was very drawn to this brilliant person, and horribly, terribly let down by him. Yeah, that's how I always saw Dumbledore. In fact, recently I was in a script read through for the sixth film, and they had Dumbledore saying a line to Harry early in the script saying I knew a girl once, whose hair... [laughter]. I had to write a little note in the margin and slide it along to the scriptwriter, "Dumbledore's gay!" [laughter] If I'd known it would make you so happy, I would have announced it years ago!
Man since when did you become an early 20th century occult expert
(but also... interesting insight even if you present your opinion as though it is fact)
I don't see what the big fucking fuss is about - someone asked a question and she told them. Here is, apparently, a more accurate transcript of the event:but when he says things like Albus is 'obviously' a switching of Aldus as in Aldus Huxley and the chalice was 'undoubtably' filled with blood and semen
You say it isn't fact, but the facts are right there in front of you! Climbtree's pretty good at what he does, you know.
albus dumbledore (a dumbledore is a bee...which pollinates FLOWERS much like a fairy coincidence????you decide) has 15 letters so does "i love gay sex fuck".
say his name backwards really fast and you hear the sounds of an asshole being plumbed.
watch the entire harry potter movie (the only one to not betray canon, the first) with chinese subtitles and NOTICE....when dumbledore is on screen at 1:46:14 his title is great gay warlock.
it hink it all speaks for itself....
It's Aldous, not Aldus, Huxley...I'm fairly certain that Climbtree was joking....and I believe that Dangerousned has given to us the most convincing evidence so far!
Also: Dumbledore is gay? Even my fictional role models fail me!
but when he says things like Albus is 'obviously' a switching of Aldus as in Aldus Huxley and the chalice was 'undoubtably' filled with blood and semen
it is possible that you know.. these things arent actually in fact true
It's Aldous, not Aldus, Huxley.You just have no idea on kabbalic formulas do you, I'm not even going to dignfy this.
It seems so weird that she would even bother to identify his sexuality at all. I mean, Dumbledore's sexuality has nothing at all to do with the story in any way, which is why it was hardly even hinted at all in the books. Why bother to announce this later?It's likely she's just looking for some publicity towards the series, considering how it's over now, and people will probably stop caring about the books. At this point, the only thing left is to reveal little "facts" about the characters, and it's likely she'll be making up some more facts like this.
I mean, it's not like it's a big deal one way or the other, but it seems weird that she would even bother to mention or specify Dumbledore's sexuality--especially after the series has come to a close.
If you read back through this topic you'll find a tonne of people that knew Dumbledore was gay BEFORE the announcement, so it's obviously not something she's just made up.It is actually hinted at in the novels, so you're right. But, it was hardly mentioned at all. Still, you're correct. My brother told me about this yesterday, and he mentioned that he kind of thought it might be the case, but sort of brushed it off until he heard this news. Once he heard about it, he said that it was actually kind of obvious, in retrospect.
oh apparently one big piece of evidence is what dumbledore sees in the mirror of erised which shows you what you want in your heart.Oh, come on, straights only want women in life (unless they are women, then they only want babies).
which strikes me as kind of demeaning, honestly. GAYS ONLY WANT MEN IN LIFE.
The Christian hate groups on TCGs are retarded. Didn't the pope praise M:TG as an effective learning tool for developmental children? I mean, you're life's gotta suck to be playing into your twenties, but I don't see why the religious hate.
On topic: It does seem like an out of the blue thing that Rowling just decided willy-nilly, possibly after reading rumors on fan sites. I refuse to believe that she is a capable enough writer that any subtext that people are now finding in the novels are more than the I-see-what-I've-been-told property. I'm sure if someone influential to any reasonably long series announced one of the characters was really into bestiality, you would begin to view the subject with that in mind, and find things to affirm that, whether they were originally intended to or not.
Also, it's a CHILDREN'S BOOK SERIES. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with teaching children tolerance, but this announcement was obviously made for the older, minus-a-life fans who wanted something juicy to nibble on, as with the encyclopedia that's being planned.
oh apparently one big piece of evidence is what dumbledore sees in the mirror of erised which shows you what you want in your heart.who, exactly, did he see? if it was just a dude holding his throbbing, engorged member, then yeah, you have a point. but if it was grindelwald or whoever, then i don't really think you can call it demeaning. it's not as if he just wanted him because DICK'S DICK'S DICK'S, if that was the case. it would've been because apparently he was legitimately in love with him, and it's not really fair to say desiring the person you loved the most in your life is demeaning to homosexuals just because it's a man desiring another man. it's a natural thing, something to be expected. would it be demeaning to heterosexuals if, assuming dumbledore was a straight, he saw a woman instead? or if ron looked in and saw hermione, or something like that?
which strikes me as kind of demeaning, honestly. GAYS ONLY WANT MEN IN LIFE.
who, exactly, did he see? if it was just a dude holding his throbbing, engorged member, then yeah, you have a point. but if it was grindelwald or whoever, then i don't really think you can call it demeaning. it's not as if he just wanted him because DICK'S DICK'S DICK'S, if that was the case. it would've been because apparently he was legitimately in love with him, and it's not really fair to say desiring the person you loved the most in your life is demeaning to homosexuals just because it's a man desiring another man. it's a natural thing, something to be expected. would it be demeaning to heterosexuals if, assuming dumbledore was a straight, he saw a woman instead? or if ron looked in and saw hermione, or something like that?but all gays do just think about dongs and men (sex). that's why they can't be in the proud military.
but all gays do just think about dongs and men (sex). that's why they can't be in the proud military.This is a sad truth.
who, exactly, did he see? if it was just a dude holding his throbbing, engorged member, then yeah, you have a point. but if it was grindelwald or whoever, then i don't really think you can call it demeaning. it's not as if he just wanted him because DICK'S DICK'S DICK'S, if that was the case. it would've been because apparently he was legitimately in love with him, and it's not really fair to say desiring the person you loved the most in your life is demeaning to homosexuals just because it's a man desiring another man. it's a natural thing, something to be expected. would it be demeaning to heterosexuals if, assuming dumbledore was a straight, he saw a woman instead? or if ron looked in and saw hermione, or something like that?
who, exactly, did he see? if it was just a dude holding his throbbing, engorged member, then yeah, you have a point. but if it was grindelwald or whoever, then i don't really think you can call it demeaning. it's not as if he just wanted him because DICK'S DICK'S DICK'S, if that was the case. it would've been because apparently he was legitimately in love with him, and it's not really fair to say desiring the person you loved the most in your life is demeaning to homosexuals just because it's a man desiring another man. it's a natural thing, something to be expected. would it be demeaning to heterosexuals if, assuming dumbledore was a straight, he saw a woman instead? or if ron looked in and saw hermione, or something like that?
I dunno if my sister was dead because of something I did, I would definitely want her back more than FREE PUSSY or whatever, which is what I meant.are you gay
are you gay
I wonder now what parents are doing about this. The anti-gay ones, I mean. Are they going to pull these books from their kids' shelves and throw away the DVDs? Are they going to tell their kids that they can't read the books?My thought is if they are anti-gay enough to break down the walls, there is a good chance they are anti-magic and already did.
then again reporting it probably does because now little kids have awkward questions about what a gay is and how does Dumbledore be one???
Anyway, when she got the news that he was gay, she was really excited and loves him even more now.
Little kids will refer to cool things as "gay". :woop:Haha! It will be a great day for mankind!
you know one thing that bothers me is this Rita Skeeter woman is supposed to be a great reporter and she finds out Dumbledore was friends with a monster and all this shit that no one knows but never once catches a glimpse of him being gay.
probably being gay isnt that big of a deal in the wizarding world. and hp isnt really a childrens series, but i guess its kind of marketed as such. but it really isnt, at least not after the 2nd book? 3rd? idk. i know my parents both love the books and so do a lot of other parents i know, the ones who arent all "nono magic is the devil." which i think is lame
also. If you havent read the books you really should seeing as how theyre really popular
Little kids will refer to cool things as "gay".
My girlfriend is a HUGE fan of the series, and is totally in love with Dumbledore. She got me into the series, though I wouldn't say I'm any more than an average fan of it. Anyway, when she got the news that he was gay, she was really excited and loves him even more now.
I wonder now what parents are doing about this. The anti-gay ones, I mean. Are they going to pull these books from their kids' shelves and throw away the DVDs? Are they going to tell their kids that they can't read the books?
JK Rowling is fucking awesome.
I wouldnt bang Dumbeldore...but Hermione...I know this is a funny topic because it's about a fictional wizard who turned out to be gay, but please don't make posts that make me want to punch you in the face.
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Ohhhhh....yeaahh...*drolls*
I know this is a funny topic because it's about a fictional wizard who turned out to be gay, but please don't make posts that make me want to punch you in the face.