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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: Zohaib on October 23, 2007, 03:44:40 am
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"The Adventure of a Lifetime awaits."
That's the tagline of Game Informer's review of Mass Effect.
GI Review: http://www.n4g.com/M/8/Images//74000/74437.jpg
Bunch of new screens. Watch out for spoilers: http://www.gamer.tm/gallery.asp?id=140&bid=447&filtr=360
Now I'm not a big rpg fan, as I think they've gone stale over the years, but Mass Effect has caught my eye since the day it was announced. Scheduled to ship in less than a month, November 20 is the date, Mass Effect seems to have shaped up as an unbelievable sci-fi epic. After reading GI's review, I'm anticipating it even more.
It seems like the game takes cinematic interaction to the next level. You can easily see that by watching the videos. Each line is spoken and enacted with such realism that it's hard to not get caught in the sci fi world. Though the review complained the battles aren't as good as the rest of the game, it said the rest of the game is soo damned good, it makes up for it.
The story is also supposedly god sent or at least that's the impression I got from the review. This will surely be one to close the lights and play into the morning. It's dripping with atmosphere. It's about time I picked up a 360. Gears of War, BioShock, Halo 3 and now this. 360 is really becoming the console to own.
Here is the main snippet from the review:
"Mass Effect is one of video games greatest treasures. It's an adventure that is so captivating that you'll be counting the days for the sequel. It takes interactive storytelling to new heights, and brings the player closer to content than ever before. It's easily one of the year's best titles, and one of the most impressive games to date."
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OMG I want this fucking game! GOTY!
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Best RPG of the year for sure. No Contest.
I really am anticipating this game. Just like Bioshock, this is like the must have RPG game. The graphics look insane....
I don't even want to watch anymore videos until the game comes out.
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"Never before have I spent so much time thinking deeply about the choices I have to make, and the ramifications they will have on future events."
hahahahahaha
i guess i know what game magazine i'm never going to read again!
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is it any surprise at all that 98% of the time, game informer is so full of shit that you can pretty much just assume the opposite of whatever they say is true, always? i used to kind of hate them for it, but now i've grown to accept the reasons why the large majority of magazines are like that, and while it's disgusting because you can be pretty sure similar situations exist throughout other, non-videogame-centric journalism, it's at least understandable. subscription fees are such a nominal contribution to their net profit, i mean! most of it comes from advertisements, and with how many games they cover every issue, it's inevitable that a lot of the games they carry ads for are also going to be games they review/preview. they can't bad mouth, or even be honest about, the games they review a lot of the time, without the serious threat of losing advertising deals with those very same developers/publishers that they critique, and if this happened with any regularity (i.e. if they were consistently honest in their reviews), then it would cost them such a large amount of revenue that i'd be semi-surprised if they were even able to stay in business. when prioritizing profit versus journalistic integrity, it's pretty obvious which one most magazines are going to put first. it is gross and disappointing but i guess the lesson is to not really read them for any more than just to see what's ON THE HORIZON as far as games go, and maybe to get a general gist of what a game's about/how it looks.
also, in practically every game they review where part of the appeal is supposed to be choose you own derstiny............, you can see them saying the exact same thing about how the choices feel like they matter and have serious impact on both the story and your relationship with other characters, and how it really brings the game world to life and makes it feel like it's a living, breathing universe and puts the power of control in the player's hands, and usually it is so totally bogus you cannot help but laugh at the fact that you believed any of their unashamedly biased bullshit to begin with, even if it was just a little bit!
aaaaanyway, back on topic, i actually didn't hear about this game until a few days ago, and i think i'd play it just because i enjoyed kotor when i played it back when it first came out for the xbox, and that is my most recent (and only) memory of bioware as a developer save neverwinter nights, which i will just pretend never happened. unfortunately, i don't own an xbox 360, though i might think about buying one eventually, so unless this is coming out for the pc, i probably won't be seriously playing it for a while! my brother has a 360, though, and i'm sure he'll pick it up, so maybe i will fuck around with it when he does.
ps why are people calling this the "best rpg of the year" when no one's actually played it? that is a little excessive i think!
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ps why are people calling this the "best rpg of the year" when no one's actually played it? that is a little excessive i think!
Hype, advertising, trailers and it's a Bioware game. Expectations are high, and like most games it'll probably fail to meet them, but theres a good chance it'll still be an awesome rpg, only time will tell.
I'm fairly sure this will come out on the PC eventually, though you'll probably need a hell of a machine to run it smoothly with the same eye candy you'd get on the 360.
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Erk, wall of text. any way all i can say is Special edition is Pre-ordered.
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They did give paper mario 2 a bad review.
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Ignoring GI's review, the fact that this is Bioware makes it pretty safe to say that it's going to be great. They did KOTOR, which has pretty much set the standard for the "choose your story" style of gameplay. So odds are they're going to get that part right.
But I did see some of the gameplay videos, and the battling looks really, really weak. I wasn't the least bit impressed with it.
Also, what's with the lack of a PC version? I know there will be one eventually if the game sells well, but why is it that Bioware always releases the PC versions a year later?
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Also, what's with the lack of a PC version? I know there will be one eventually if the game sells well, but why is it that Bioware always releases the PC versions a year later?
Easier to make a console version since you don't have to worry about 30 million different machine set ups. KotoR was a buggy piece of crap until a week later when a patch was released.
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Ignoring GI's review, the fact that this is Bioware makes it pretty safe to say that it's going to be great. They did KOTOR, which has pretty much set the standard for the "choose your story" style of gameplay. So odds are they're going to get that part right.
But I did see some of the gameplay videos, and the battling looks really, really weak. I wasn't the least bit impressed with it.
Also, what's with the lack of a PC version? I know there will be one eventually if the game sells well, but why is it that Bioware always releases the PC versions a year later?
$$$
Not just exclusivity rights for X many months, but to ease the development cycle, too. In some ways, developing for two different platforms at once is like making two games at once. By releasing first on one system and then recoding for a second after it's released relieves some of the pressure (and associated costs).
Bioware made Baldur's Gate I & II, KotOR, Jade Empire, Sonic RPG - these guys make good RPGs. It's this game that makes me want to own an Xbox360.
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From the previews and what I've heard about it, this games seems like it'd be pretty good. I'll be waiting for a PC release. :)
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people saying GOTY LOL!! before a game is out is fucking naive.
But this looks good and I'll probably pick it up
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its gonna be another kotor2
everyone will one day say "wow dx was right this game sucks"
im the kid who says everything is bad because others say its good
p.s.: i want this game
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I like Kotor2. It's #2 on my all time favorite xbox games (behind kotor, and not much behind).
Kotor2 wasn't made by Bioware, btw. And everybody knows Halo 3 will be game of the year, because of fanboyism it's such a good game [/straight face].
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I like Kotor2. It's #2 on my all time favorite xbox games (behind kotor, and not much behind).
Kotor2 wasn't made by Bioware, btw. And everybody knows Halo 3 will be game of the year, because of fanboyism it's such a good game [/straight face].
what? halo 3 is a really good game, and i don't even especially like halo. the single player campaign alone makes it pretty fucking great if you play it on a harder difficulty level, but the multiplayer really pushes it over. i do not know if it is better than other shit like gears of war that has strong solo/multiplayer components, but it's not like the idea of someone calling it game of the year is somehow far-fetched.
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from this game i am expecting levels of enjoyment to what i got/get out of deus ex.
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"Never before have I spent so much time thinking deeply about the choices I have to make, and the ramifications they will have on future events."
hahahahahaha
i guess i know what game magazine i'm never going to read again!
what? not like i'm saying this is WAY CREDIBLE SOURCE or anything but is it just NOT CREDIBLE?
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what? halo 3 is a really good game, and i don't even especially like halo. the single player campaign alone makes it pretty fucking great if you play it on a harder difficulty level, but the multiplayer really pushes it over. i do not know if it is better than other shit like gears of war that has strong solo/multiplayer components, but it's not like the idea of someone calling it game of the year is somehow far-fetched.
While Kentona is my favorite person in the world, he *is* a hopeless japfag that not only hates everything not published by a small cadre of Japanese RPG developers but anything published after 1996. So, he's drinking the KoolAid and by default is required to say awful things about Halo 3 even though it's a pretty good game. It's more popular than Dragon Warrior 3 so it HAS to suck. But I'm sure these things wouldn't offend him so whatever!
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I'm confident Mass Effect is going to be one of the better games to have come out in a long time. I'm pretty much expecting a sequel to KOTOR with an original universe instead of something set so far back in Star Wars mythology that, except for the existence of Jedi, is pretty much a completely original universe anyway. Apparently, it controls something like a shooter, but is still definitely an RPG because you don't really aim and your success in combat is determined entirely by your statistics, so I'm really curious to see how it plays.
And, yeah, it's really scary to think that this game had presented to that journalist the most difficult decisions he's faced in his life. I'm pretty certain that video game journalists have just gotten worse as their industry has become more professional, because they always make ridiculous overblown statements like that in their reviews that any sane person would see as MADNESS.
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While Kentona is my favorite person in the world, he *is* a hopeless japfag that not only hates everything not published by a small cadre of Japanese RPG developers but anything published after 1996. So, he's drinking the KoolAid and by default is required to say awful things about Halo 3 even though it's a pretty good game. It's more popular than Dragon Warrior 3 so it HAS to suck. But I'm sure these things wouldn't offend him so whatever!
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I'm confident Mass Effect is going to be one of the better games to have come out in a long time. I'm pretty much expecting a sequel to KOTOR with an original universe instead of something set so far back in Star Wars mythology that, except for the existence of Jedi, is pretty much a completely original universe anyway. Apparently, it controls something like a shooter, but is still definitely an RPG because you don't really aim and your success in combat is determined entirely by your statistics, so I'm really curious to see how it plays.
And, yeah, it's really scary to think that this game had presented to that journalist the most difficult decisions he's faced in his life. I'm pretty certain that video game journalists have just gotten worse as their industry has become more professional, because they always make ridiculous overblown statements like that in their reviews that any sane person would see as MADNESS.
I'm cool that way.
Also, just for the record, I've played Halo 3. I didn't find it very much fun. (and I enjoy FPSs - Unreal Tournament, GoldenEye and Starwars Battlefront are some of my all time favorite games.). I am lamenting the fact that it will be Game of the Year, despite the fact that it won't deserve it. (opinions == fact, btw)
I am really looking forward to seeing Mass Effect in action. KOTOR was the greatest game on the original xbox and BioWare is one of my favorite developers.
PS. What the hell is a japfag, anyway?
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Despite the fact that I'm a huge japfag who has only liked a select few western RPGs (Fallout & Deus Ex come to mind) & I've pretty much hated every game BioWare has ever made (well Jade Empire seemed ok, I liked the gameplay, but I only played it for like a hour at a cousin's house) I'm still anticipating this game greatly.
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Despite the fact that I'm a huge japfag who has only liked a select few western RPGs (Fallout & Deus Ex come to mind) & I've pretty much hated every game BioWare has ever made (well Jade Empire seemed ok, I liked the gameplay, but I only played it for like a hour at a cousin's house) I'm still anticipating this game greatly.
Man I'm a huge japfag too, but I love every BioWare game *except* for Jade Empire. Bizarre!
Jesus I'm getting pumped for this game. It comes out right in the middle of my Thanksgiving Break, if I recall, so I'll have plenty of time to game instead of working on music or something.
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I remember a time when we only used japfag as an insult : (
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I remember a time when we only used japfag as an insult : (
It's okay. I'm pretty ashamed of it, and I think everyone should be, so maybe it still is an isult :(
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Glad I'm not a japfag. Only japfag rpg I really ever liked was Chrono Cross and Skies of Arcadia.
Anyway, I just got an Xbox 360 few days ago (Brand new for.....$60!!! I'll tell you guys the story later) and can't wait for this. Bioshock was so amazing that I don't know how an interactive game can beat the experience anytime soon.
Also - bunch of new screens. Watch out for spoilers: http://www.gamer.tm/gallery.asp?id=140&bid=447&filtr=360
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I remember a time when we only used japfag as an insult : (
lol actually I WAS insulting myself. I mean how can you be a person who loves non-linear RPGs yet hate WRPGs? I guess it has to do with the fact that I tend to pre-judge anything with a Toklien-esque style as bullshit. Most western RPGs have this style & thus I automatically hate most WRPGs without even playing them which is pretty dumb. I mean how can someone who plays games solely for their gameplay be so turned off solely by something like setting or story style!? It contradicts my very way of gaming! So because of my ignorant ways I consider myself a japfag of epic proportions. On this note I do like some WRPGs, mostly the ones that aren't in the template Tolkien fantasy setting (I've already mentioned Fallout & Deus Ex). My hatred for KOTOR? oh I gave it a try (I bought the 1st one) but... I've never really liked Star Wars in general (only thing I've really ever liked set in the SW universe was that Clone Wars mini-series) & the battle system didn't appeal to me.
As for JRPGs I tend to like almost all of them, even the ones like the Atelier Iris series which not many people like. Hell usually I'll even finish the sucky JRPGs that I've been unfournate enough to buy. Something about the style just appeals to me (Did I mention I love anime too? This may be the reason since most JRPGs flow similar to anime).
Come to think about it even in MMORPGs I tend to be more drawn toward the ones with more of a JRPGish look to them, it's the sole reason why I haven't played 2Moons yet even though everybody keeps telling me how cool it is.
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Looks rad, I've been waiting for this game for a while. The character customization is amazing in this game, I can't wait to create my own biography and save the universe ! :fogetbackflip:
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I think it is time for an update guys.
Also I got the game and it is awesome in my opinion.
It plays like a cross between Gears of War and Knights of the Old Republic and the character customization is almost endless.
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i came in and read the op and was kind of tempted to note game informer's lack of anything resembling standards, but i guess i already did that a month ago!
i won't BUY THIS because $60 is outrageous and i am pretty much not ever going to pay that EVER but fortunately i recently signed up for gamefly, so here's hoping that 1) they even have enough copies that i can get one, and 2) two weeks is soon enough after it came out that it has yet to become like every single other game from gamefly and skip/freeze up constantly from the awful way people treat the discs.
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i came in and read the op and was kind of tempted to note game informer's lack of anything resembling standards, but i guess i already did that a month ago!
i won't BUY THIS because $60 is outrageous and i am pretty much not ever going to pay that EVER but fortunately i recently signed up for gamefly, so here's hoping that 1) they even have enough copies that i can get one, and 2) two weeks is soon enough after it came out that it has yet to become like every single other game from gamefly and skip/freeze up constantly from the awful way people treat the discs.
oh man, you really really should. this is probably the 2nd best videogame RPG i've ever played, first best being Planescape: Torment. this doesn't quite come close to that, but its really really good.
i don't even like this genre of RPG either.
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It's ok, doesn't live up to expectations thought especially in length.
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It's ok, doesn't live up to expectations thought especially in length.
What..?
Man, I know your a Sony fanboy, but how could you say that?
Its about a 30 hour + sidequest time romp, which is a good length (short and sweet is almost always better than long and carried out (see: Final Fantasy XII...so long I almost didn't finish teh game cause uh....wow.)) for an RPG, the graphics are the best on the 360, the story is amazingly well crafted and told, the sound and music is all superb and draw you into the areas + fights, and the framerate is solid, if lacking in certain parts of the game, but still better than KotOR was.
I mean, yeah, its no Planescape: Torment when it comes to story, drawing you in, sound, music, or even depth when it comes to your character's developement imo, but its still a very fine Bioware original game, that stands on its own two feet. The game gives you enough to get you into the series, but doesn't give you so much as to bore you, and not too little to throw you away. It gives you the exact right amount of content to basically get you going "dayamn....I can't wait for the next one!".
Really, the only downside is that you can't interrupt conversations like you were supposed to, and a couple of things they said would be in aren't. But thats how game design works, and it happens all the time. Mass Effect is still the best RPG this year so far though!
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I heard there were parts in the game where the framerate drops occasionaly. They said it's almost never stable. They also said the AI can get glitched up sometimes and not do anything at all.
Those two things don't really bother me though, and I'll probably just ignore them since I'll be very into the game once I get it. The graphics are just...amazing. Plus the voice acting is probably the best ever!
This is definately number one on my list of games to get. The length doesn't bother me much, as I'll probably just play through the game a second time to see what I missed. 30+ hours seems pretty long to me anyway.
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I have to say that this is one of the most amazing games I have ever played (better than KOTOR by far). The combat is just awesome (I'm an Inflitrator [strength/tech ][/strength/tech]), and is a lot of fun. The voice acting is the best I've seen (mapping basically perfectly to every guys mouth), the different spieces are imaginative, and the graphics are just awesome. Just pure awesome.
I'm only in the Citadel right now (after the speaking with the Council), and I'm going to Fist in Chora's Den to beat him up, but I've already played 2 and a half hours. There is just so much to do.
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I said I was through with video games and I'd never post here until I finished my book...
...Then I bought Mass Effect and it's like fucking crack. Every once in a while a game comes out that makes me say "Wow." Bioshock did it, as did the original No One Lives Forever, Deus Ex, and System Shock. Add in the fact that I'm a sci-fi nut and I instantly creamed in my pants. This is one of the finest adventure/rpg games I've played and it completely DESTROYS all the ridiculous and annoying gameplay elements that "traditional" RPG's are known for especially when it comes to LOL POINT N CLICK dialog. This system is so simple yet fun that I don't think I can ever play another RPG that has fucking text boxes again.
I also lurk around the gamefag forums and find it humerous that everyone is either getting their panties in a bunch over the gamespot review or they're talking about the "bugs and glitches." Only once, ONCE, did I see an enemy just kind of stand around and do nothing. I've never had a problem with teammates, I haven't seen any major clipping or running through walls, I haven't seen anything that people are cutting themselves over.
But yeah, best 60$ I spent this year. It even beats out Bioshock as my favorite game which is saying a fucking lot.
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Haha, Gamespot gave it an 8.5. I don't see anything wrong with that....
And I fucking hate gamespot.
Damn, now I HAVE to get this game. You have only reassured me of how good it is.
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Gamespot also gave Twilight Princess an 8.something and there was nearly a mutiny. Basically, if a "big name game" doesn't get a 9 or above then it's not worth shit as if a fucking NUMBER and one man's opinion has anything to do with how enjoyable a game is.
But if you don't own this game, you suck. That's all I have to say about the subject! Thankfully there's 8 billion copies available. Most of the generic game stores (read: ebgames, software whatever, gamestop) are sold out but the generic department stores like wal-mart and target have 300 copies just sitting around.
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is this coming out on pc?
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is this coming out on pc?
Considering every other bioware/obsidian game ends up on the PC... just give it a year. It'll come out with tons of extra features and shit or some sort of super PLATINUM edition.
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The menus look exactly the same as every other bioware game.
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This has to be the single best year for videogames - ever. I don't even have enough time to play all these amazing and original titles. I was seriously fed up with today's videogames - with them being the same old generic styles, then came games like Shadow of the Colossus and then Bioshock. Bioshock was such an incredible experience that it resurrected my love for my favorite pastime.
I have not played Mass Effect yet but it seems to have an incredible atmosphere. Similar to Bioshock where you can just close the lights and be soaked into the atmosphere. The voice acting and facial expressions are just unreal. I can't imagine the amount of work that would've gone into voice work and then the incredible emotion involved in every single line.
I love cinematic experiences and this looks like it can hold its own with a big budget movie. I'm not a fan of rpgs but I will pick this up first chance I get after finals week. Can't wait!
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This has to be the single best year for videogames - ever. I don't even have enough time to play all these amazing and original titles. I was seriously fed up with today's videogames - with them being the same old generic styles, then came games like Shadow of the Colossus and then Bioshock. Bioshock was such an incredible experience that it resurrected my love for my favorite pastime.
I have not played Mass Effect yet but it seems to have an incredible atmosphere. Similar to Bioshock where you can just close the lights and be soaked into the atmosphere. The voice acting and facial expressions are just unreal. I can't imagine the amount of work that would've gone into voice work and then the incredible emotion involved in every single line.
I love cinematic experiences and this looks like it can hold its own with a big budget movie. I'm not a fan of rpgs but I will pick this up first chance I get after finals week. Can't wait!
SotC is like two years old dude.
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What..?
Man, I know your a Sony fanboy, but how could you say that?
Its about a 30 hour + sidequest time romp, which is a good length (short and sweet is almost always better than long and carried out (see: Final Fantasy XII...so long I almost didn't finish teh game cause uh....wow.)) for an RPG, the graphics are the best on the 360, the story is amazingly well crafted and told, the sound and music is all superb and draw you into the areas + fights, and the framerate is solid, if lacking in certain parts of the game, but still better than KotOR was.
I mean, yeah, its no Planescape: Torment when it comes to story, drawing you in, sound, music, or even depth when it comes to your character's developement imo, but its still a very fine Bioware original game, that stands on its own two feet. The game gives you enough to get you into the series, but doesn't give you so much as to bore you, and not too little to throw you away. It gives you the exact right amount of content to basically get you going "dayamn....I can't wait for the next one!".
Really, the only downside is that you can't interrupt conversations like you were supposed to, and a couple of things they said would be in aren't. But thats how game design works, and it happens all the time. Mass Effect is still the best RPG this year so far though!
I beat the game in 25 hours and did EVERYTHING.
The framerate sometimes sucks though, and the graphics while amazing are not the best on the 360.
I am still disappointed (not NEARLY as dissapointed as I was with Lair).
It's not as good as I thought it was gonna be. In no way did it suck but it didn't live up to expectations and I could name a number of games that came out this year that I personally thought were better.
The Gamespot review was pretty dead on.
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since when did we decide 25 hours is short? That's too fucking long for me (but I endure out of love).
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since when did we decide 25 hours is short? That's too fucking long for me (but I endure out of love).
But there's not online? :gwa:
/jk.
I expected 40 hrs.
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not everyone is a fucking massive nerd and has that much time to kill man, its not neccasarily a bad thing that its not that long. I really hate it when i can tell the game was intentionally lengthened like that.
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I beat the game in 25 hours and did EVERYTHING.
The framerate sometimes sucks though, and the graphics while amazing are not the best on the 360.
I am still disappointed (not NEARLY as dissapointed as I was with Lair).
It's not as good as I thought it was gonna be. In no way did it suck but it didn't live up to expectations and I could name a number of games that came out this year that I personally thought were better.
The Gamespot review was pretty dead on.
1- no you didn't. Did you see the lesbian sex scene? The lapdance? EVERY side quest? Learned everything about all the possible allies? Replayed the game with a different character? Played on New Game+ and got to 60th level?
2-They are pretty much the best graphics I have seen on the 360. Anything that beats it either hasn't come out yet, or is just not as good graphics + tons of shine
3-Name those games....
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SotC is like two years old dude.
Yep. Yep it is. I forget as I rarely play video games anymore unless they're very. very good or original imo. SotC, Bioshock, Zelda:TP - being the few I've played over last few years.
On the topic of length, I love games that are around 15 hrs or less. Too much more and they usually start to drag on. For instance, Bioshock was about 12 or so hrs and it was perfect. Yeah we expect more playtime from rpgs and so 25 hrs isn't bad at all. I mean a game that is somewhat short in length isn't a BAD quality. Since when did 25 hrs + playtime become a bad thing especially when the quality is as high as supposedly ME is?
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My complaint about RPG's is that it's 100 hours of walking. If I wanted that, I'd go outside and walk myself. Probably be a lot healthier for me than playing a digital walking adventure. It all comes down to "do you like story or gameplay" in your RPG and for me, it's got to be a mixture of both but that's a really hard thing to balance so you either get 50 hours of unplayable cinema or 50 hours of walking and mashing X.
As I said before, Mass Effect has pretty much changed how I view future RPG's as the game is interactive, action packed, and an overall blast to play but when it comes down to those story elements it feels really cinematic and spot on. This game is pretty much the definition of interactive movie except you still feel like you have some control when the game wrenches it away from you.
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1- no you didn't. Did you see the lesbian sex scene? The lapdance? EVERY side quest? Learned everything about all the possible allies? Replayed the game with a different character? Played on New Game+ and got to 60th level?
2-They are pretty much the best graphics I have seen on the 360. Anything that beats it either hasn't come out yet, or is just not as good graphics + tons of shine
3-Name those games....
1-Yes I did... but I didnt replay the game. I don't really "replay" shooters often... and Mass Effect is more shooter than RPG. + No online.
2-The graphics don't look as good as earlier screens. And the framerate isn't the most stable.
3-(And I stress this as being my opinion). Bioshock, Crysis, & Uncharted.
Yes the game is refreshing and a great game, but it wasn't as good as I thought it was gonna be, I already traded it in (along with Ass Creed and Ratchet).
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Hunter did not get the full "EFFECT" of this game. :fogetlaugh:
*lame joke*
But seriously, 25 hours is fine for me. I would rather have the game be short and sweet rather than long and boring. I honestly can't think of how else they could make the game longer as well as keep the same pace they did.
Marcus is pretty spot on with what he said as well.
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It really isn't 25 hours though unless if you're skipping thru lots of conversations or something its more like 35-40 imho.
with no walkthroughs or help or anything my first playthrough was about 40, and I skipped a few sidequests, missed the lesbian sex scene (drat), and just starting new game+
i couldn't of done it in 25 if i tried first time thru.
Bioshock, Crysis, & Uncharted.
ic.
none of those really did anything to push their genre or anything. thats why I think Mass Effect is a million times better than them. Crysis kind of pushed MP in the FPS genre to a new level, but man I played Bioshock and yeah, its good, okay, but it does nothing that is going to make me judge later FPS's differently.
ME after playing it, I'm probably going to play an RPG later and go "uh wtf? why doesn't it have [feature ][/feature].
Bio/Cry/Uncharted are good yeah, but they don't do anything mind blowing, and in the industry now you kind of want to go for mind blowing, because mind blowing is the difference between you making lots of $$$, or making decent money, and no one really wants to make decent money cause of how expensive games are to produce now and days. the only exception to this rule is when you know your game is going to sell like hot cakes, where you could probably make the main character have a full detail homosexual orgy sex scene (assuming you ignored the ESRB and sold it in some SPECIALTY STORE that doesn't care about the ESRB) and still sell millions of copies, like Halo.
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cool this is out i will buy it
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No possible way you did EVERYTHING in 25 hours.
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yes no possible way heh..... did you even TRY to access the ultimate frisbee minigame?? no? i didnt think so
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I can see it being 25 hours if you have the strategy guide...
wait, no, I can't. Saying you've done EVERYTHING means you got every achievement award and it's impossible to get all of them on one playthrough. I don't think I need to bold any more words to get my point across.
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Couldn't resist until after finals week so my brother got it yesterday. 5 hours into the game and it's a pretty good game so far. The story is really interesting and the voice acting and facial expressions well...let's just say that you need to see and hear it to believe it. This is the most fun I've ever had reading and following dialogue in an rpg. The battle system is fine by me as I'm not a big fan of traditional rpg battles. Especially for a game like this, a more traditional battle system would've messed up the flow of the game.
The graphics are spectacular. Yeah there are some frame rate issues and some graphical glitches but nothing major. The game has a very cinematic feel to it. The sound design is soo good that it really immerses you into the game. You really feel like you're there and talking to these aliens and traversing these galaxies.
I expect the game and story to get better and better as I dig deeper into the game, so I'll post more about it later.
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I'm not really into western RPGs, but I love this game. It's just so damn fun.
I think I like it because it reminds me of a JRPG in a few ways. They really took their time on the art direction and the storyline of the game. It is really interesting. I love the combat too. It's actually a shooter that you are allowed to pause. It reminds me more of RE4 thank Kotor(which I loved too.) I don't think I've ever played an RPG with this battle system that works. I also love the music in this game. It's a little scary. I'm glad I bought a 360.
I'll will admit though that I'll probably set this back on the shelf after Lost Odyssey comes out. I love my JRPGs too much. :p
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God I want this game so bad, fucken Playstation 3 piece of shit. Maybe Santa will give me a 360 for Christmas... or I'll just buy one instead.
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God I want this game so bad, fucken Playstation 3 piece of shit. Maybe Santa will give me a 360 for Christmas... or I'll just buy one instead.
Patience. When Little Big Planet comes out I'll be kicking myself for not having a ps3.
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Mass Effect looks like a great game. Too bad I don't have a 360, nor do I want one anytime soon. Hopefully Bioware chooses to rerelease on PC at some point.
I'll be kicking myself for not having a ps3.
Lol. I already am. I preordered and paid off Assassin's Creed. Picked it up yesterday when it came out, but I don't have a PS3 yet. Fuck.
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Amazing game. But there is a few things I am dissapointed about.
The first one is I was expecting there to be all these awesome planets to explore. Fair enough there is planets to explore, but most of them look like some randomly generated terrain with maybe one or two small features added to them, which was maybe related to some generic quest (such as collect X amount of [item]).
Secondly was Biotic powers. When I'd read about them in the past I though they'd be similar to the force from Star Wars and I'd have all these awesome powers to play with. What I got was... 6(?) boring skills of which two of them had very similar effects (Lift and Stasis both disabled enemies), one wasn't useful at all (I never found a decent use for Singularity, I tried using it then launching a grenade, but it's duration was way to short and the grenade wouldn't even reach the enemies before they'd all ran of) and the rest though somewhat useful had either too short a duration, or a delay that was way to long. Also :[ I was expecting throw to be like some sort of gravity gun that I could use to launch enemies all over the place, but it turns out all I get to do is knock enemies over!
And having melee combat would have been nice too. I can understand why it wasn't really added (Gun > Sword, no exception), but it would have been nice to have at least (because it is really annoying when you are taking cover only to have some massive enemy charge right past you and blow you to pieces while you are trying to get off a wall while flailing a gun around!)
But yeah, other than those it is one of the best games I have played for a really long time. Other games of a similar genre should learn from it!
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It really isn't 25 hours though unless if you're skipping thru lots of conversations or something its more like 35-40 imho.
with no walkthroughs or help or anything my first playthrough was about 40, and I skipped a few sidequests, missed the lesbian sex scene (drat), and just starting new game+
i couldn't of done it in 25 if i tried first time thru.
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none of those really did anything to push their genre or anything. thats why I think Mass Effect is a million times better than them. Crysis kind of pushed MP in the FPS genre to a new level, but man I played Bioshock and yeah, its good, okay, but it does nothing that is going to make me judge later FPS's differently.
ME after playing it, I'm probably going to play an RPG later and go "uh wtf? why doesn't it have [feature in ME that makes it a really good cinematic experiance but still makes you feel like you have control].
Bio/Cry/Uncharted are good yeah, but they don't do anything mind blowing, and in the industry now you kind of want to go for mind blowing, because mind blowing is the difference between you making lots of $$$, or making decent money, and no one really wants to make decent money cause of how expensive games are to produce now and days. the only exception to this rule is when you know your game is going to sell like hot cakes, where you could probably make the main character have a full detail homosexual orgy sex scene (assuming you ignored the ESRB and sold it in some SPECIALTY STORE that doesn't care about the ESRB) and still sell millions of copies, like Halo.
Your pretty much acting like I said 'OMG THIS IS TEH WORST GAME EVAR!'
I really don't base my gaming experiences on the dramticness or whatever, whatever is just the most straight up fun and addictive gameplay are the ones I like best.
Rogue Galaxy had shit dungeons, shit characters, and a shit story. But the gameplay is SOO addictive its one of my favorite games released this year. And before you say "OH so you think RG is better that ME you fanbitch"... I don't.
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i dont think i ever said your choices were cause of fanboyism or anything...so yeah.
Big difference there man!
There is still no way you did everything in 25 hours.
No way.
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Man, I know your a Sony fanboy, but how could you say that?
Ok erm, yeah.
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We don't care that you're a sony fanboy, we're just having a good laugh because you did everything (which requires more than one playthrough) in 25 hours. So unless EVERYTHING by your definition is simply beating the game and skipping the achievements or you have some sort of time altering powers, you didn't do EVERYTHING or you certainly didn't time it right.
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I played this for about an hour yesterday, I started the game and it was pretty awesome. The different classes and the need to be "good" at the weapons your using really makes it feel....uh, cool I guess. Not being able to use the sniper well right from the start was coo
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It took me about 20 hours to beat the game. I rushed through, though, because I know I'll want to replay it someday.
Anyway, it's possibly my favorite game ever made.
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I heard one of the makers beat it in less then 5 hours or so, skipping everything possible.
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i've played a decent chunk of it just now and so far it reminds me a lot of deus ex 2 in some good ways. it's mostly the style of the graphics, the music and the atmosphere created by the two. talking to people in this game is a lot of fun. sometimes it gets a bit stupid but i don't really mind. one thing the game done pretty badly was teach me how to play it - for the first 5 hours or so i was barely aware of half of the stuff i was doing and just running along trying to keep up. now i've got a clearer idea of how to play and what the world is all about, but they could have worked the first couple of missions better.
i'm glad i went ahead and bought it.
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I bought Mass Effect today, and I think its really badass so far. I hope Bioware keeps up the good work and makes a third KOTOR!
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I bought Mass Effect today, and so far it's pretty badass. I'm really impressed with Bioware and their work. Now I hope they make a third KOTOR.
(sorry about the double post. The first time I posted, the server seemed to have timed out. I went back to see if my message was actually posted and it wasn't on there. So I did it again.)
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Gamespot also gave Twilight Princess an 8.something and there was nearly a mutiny. Basically, if a "big name game" doesn't get a 9 or above then it's not worth shit as if a fucking NUMBER and one man's opinion has anything to do with how enjoyable a game is.
Gamespot also gave Simpsons Hit & Run 8 or something as well... Can't take that site seriously :tsk:
Okay, I've been having a discussion with my brother whether Mass Effect is good or not!
Basically he hangs around a forum with geeky tech-nerds (no, geek and nerds are different)! There they share thoughts on the game and how incredibly bad it is.
For one, it's terribly short according to them! I dunno, I've heard 20-25 hours on your first playthrough which is pretty much the standard time for an RPG-like game, summary: I think they are twats on this statement. The second statement is that the framerate sucks as well, but again, almost all games these days show signs of lag every now and then, and as long as it's not waiting around the corner for every 1 minute, I honestly don't care. The third statement is that the AI sucks (remind me where a RPG actually had an impressive AI where they would actually just hit you in the head with a sword rather than waiting for you to do your attacks and blast them into an oblivion).
Oh well, that was just some random crap I wanted to type down... bye
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For one, it's terribly short according to them! I dunno, I've heard 20-25 hours on your first playthrough which is pretty much the standard time for an RPG-like game, summary: I think they are twats on this statement. The second statement is that the framerate sucks as well, but again, almost all games these days show signs of lag every now and then, and as long as it's not waiting around the corner for every 1 minute, I honestly don't care. The third statement is that the AI sucks (remind me where a RPG actually had an impressive AI where they would actually just hit you in the head with a sword rather than waiting for you to do your attacks and blast them into an oblivion).
Unfortunatly most of that is true.
If you don't do any side quests then the game is VERY short. I'd say with no side quests/extra a first playthrough would last 12-15 or so hours. If you know what you're doing it would be easy to half that time. But there is a fair amount of extras and side quests, so if you include those then the length of the game is fairly long. Add to that you can play as different classes and be good or evil and it gives the game a fair amount of replayability (if you ask me, being evil is a how lot more awesome than being good, which is boring).
As for framerate drops. It isn't as bad as people make out. It does happen, and it can make the game unplayable while it is happening, but it rarely happens.
But the AI... Ugh. Enemies can pretty much see you from anywhere on a level, and have 100% accuracy even from the other side of a planet (obviously you can't even see them). But other than that the enemy AI isn't too bad. However... Ally AI is terrible. They will constantly get in your way and jump infront of your bullets, or they will try to shoot through you. The problem with this is that you cannot shoot through an ally and they can't shoot through you because shields block the bullets. That and they like to inappropriately use skills and abilities (such as using a skill that drains shields on an enemy with no shields). And a problem I've had is that they tend to like changing weapons... To weapons they have absolutely no training in, which makes them totally useless until you've forced them to change their weapons back. But I didn't find allies to be too useful later on in the game, I'd more or less end up using them as meat shields while I picked off enemies with a sniper rifle (which will 1 hit kill more or less anything later on in the game).
But yeah. The only one of those that really annoys me is when allies jump infront of bullets (or sometimes grenades... Oh how fun it is to commit accidental suicide with a grenade!). The others don't have that much of an impact on the game at all (if you play through twice, one good and one evil and do everything you should be able to get at least 50-60 hours of gameplay out of it, and the slowdowns tend to only happen at the start of an area).
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We don't care that you're a sony fanboy, we're just having a good laugh because you did everything (which requires more than one playthrough) in 25 hours. So unless EVERYTHING by your definition is simply beating the game and skipping the achievements or you have some sort of time altering powers, you didn't do EVERYTHING or you certainly didn't time it right.
please stop being an idiot, man. half of this entire topic has been you and darknecrid acting like morons over whether the guy technically did EVERYTHING 100% COMPLETE or whether he just beat the game like a normal person. maybe when he said everything he meant, ohhhhhh i don't know... everything worthwhile? as in, he did not play through the game multiple times to access the secret lesbian sex scene!!! perhaps because he is not a creepy bastard (seriously who the fuck would actively seek something like this out and what is wrong with you if you did).
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please stop being an idiot, man. half of this entire topic has been you and darknecrid acting like morons over whether the guy technically did EVERYTHING 100% COMPLETE or whether he just beat the game like a normal person. maybe when he said everything he meant, ohhhhhh i don't know... everything worthwhile? as in, he did not play through the game multiple times to access the secret lesbian sex scene!!! perhaps because he is not a creepy bastard (seriously who the fuck would actively seek something like this out and what is wrong with you if you did).
its not like i actively seeked it out (cause i dont use guides for RPGs) i found it on my own, and its not even that bad cause they don't show anything AT ALL. they just hint at it. i think they changed it cause some random country was going to ban the game there if they didn't.
its just dumb that he complains the game is short, gives an unreasonable amount of time he beat it + everything in, and then complains its short.
it isnt short if you idk, actually explore everything and do all the side quests or at least a good amount of them, and replay it to get all the extras in the NG+, but apparentally its okay to say something is short and complain about it when you do like half the game.
if thats the case then a lot of games are very short.
its just not a very valid point.
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uh, not that i have played the game or anything, but what i'm saying here isn't even specific to this game, so i think it's more or less okay. i think we need to differentiate between content and, again, worthwhile content. you're saying you can't complain about a game being short because they throw a bunch of stupid shit at you that adds a couple dozen hours onto it? that's dumb. i don't think 25 hours is too short for a game, but if you do, and a game takes that amount of time to beat if you just play the GOOD parts of it, then yeah, that is too short. it doesn't matter if there are lame, shallow, and irrelevant sidequests to perform, or if you can play it again for slightly new features (are you seriously listing this as a reason why a game isn't too short? because you can PLAY IT AGAIN? give me a break dude), because all that shit tends to be filler content in a lot of games.
it's perfectly valid to say a game's too short after you beat it and only did the mainquest and not all the other shit you can do, if you think that all the other stuff is fluff/afterthought content they tacked on to add time to the game. if someone called shadow of the colossus too short, i wouldn't excuse it by saying "well sure but there's the option to ride around aimlessly for 10-20 hours in addition to the main quest so your point isn't very valid." there's a serious difference between legitimate content and filler content, and at least with kotor, a lot of people seemed to gloss over the fact that the game was pretty short if you didn't do half of the sidequests because they were superficial and uninteresting, and i have a feeling this exact same argument would've been had if someone had come into a forum years ago and said "i beat the game in 15 hours and it was too short" having just beaten the game and not gone out of their way to do every pointless little task. i wouldn't put it past bioware to do it again, or past people like you to pretend like a game's not too short just because they throw a bunch of stupid shallow shit in it to take up more of your time in addition to the sparse main story.
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Some of the best games I've ever played were pretty short going by what people here are defining as short. Metal Gear Solid, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, BioShock, etc. Quality>Quantity always.
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Mass Effect, may have a short story, but there are still a number of side quests to do, and replayability because of the multiple classes and "paths" you can go about doing things.
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the side quests add to the backstory and character developement
if you dont think thats worthwhile then i got nothing
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Some of the best games I've ever played were pretty short going by what people here are defining as short. Metal Gear Solid, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, BioShock, etc. Quality>Quantity always.
I'd say that all of those games are pretty lengthy. Usually, a playthrough any of those games is well over ten hours long. In my opinion, an example of a short game is something like Heavenly Sword, which can be beaten in one sitting (It was Saturday morning and so I didn't have anything better to do, but it was still only four and a half hours). Adventure games like Ico or games like MGS always take weeks to play through unless you have a staggering amount of leisure time.
Anyway, I agree with most of the thoughts here about the length of Mass Effect and other games. It's fine by me! If I recall, most Bioware RPGs are 15-20 hours long anyway, so I wasn't expecting more than that.
Often, I don't beat games like Blue Dragon because, even though I love them, by the time I've gotten 40 hours in and am nearing the end of the game, something else has come out or I am sick of it and just want to move on. My clock read about 20 hours Mass Effect, and while I certainly didn't take my time, I didn't exactly rush through the game, either. I also died frequently because I was playing on Hard mode, and the game crashed about a zillion times (it turned out to be a cat hair on the disc). I'm sure that a few unrecorded hours were added to my playtime. It might not be the hundred-hour-long galaxy-spanning space opera that IGN's previews promised it would be, but I was more than satisfied with the game. It's one of my personal favorites.
Does anyone REALLY want every game to be like Assassin's Creed, filled with useless cutscenes that are acted and written badly and are about four times as long as they need to be and all you want to do is skip past some guards chattering that your target "gets veeeeeery focused in his work, making him an easy target . . . . . . . . . . . . ." and get back to jumping on rooftops? I'd definitely have concise storytelling like Mass Effect's rather than padded drivel. I love a long game that can keep my attention forever, particularly during holiday vacations and stuff, but I agree with everyone else here that a 25 hour game is more than long enough to still feel epic.
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Patience. When Little Big Planet comes out I'll be kicking myself for not having a ps3.
ROFl, little big planet? Uh no..
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ROFl, little big planet? Uh no..
LBP is going to be one of the best games ever made.
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Damn... want to get it... have to wait till after christmas (damn me for putting it at the top of the list!... well, maybe I'll get to rent it tomarrow, then beat it [or ][/or])... I've been hyped for this over 2 months now...
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LBP is going to be one of the best games ever made.
Weird I can't find that post I made? Anyways, hardly. I read a few previews for that as one of my friends was thinking about getting it and asked my opinion, not my cup of tea. Though I am sure it may appeal to some drugged up people.
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Weird I can't find that post I made? Anyways, hardly. I read a few previews for that as one of my friends was thinking about getting it and asked my opinion, not my cup of tea. Though I am sure it may appeal to some drugged up people.
Nice, so your entire arguement that its not going to be one of the most attractive and popular games ever made, is because its not YOUR cup of tea.
well okay, i really don't like halo but that didn't stop it.
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Nice, so your entire arguement that its not going to be one of the most attractive and popular games ever made, is because its not YOUR cup of tea.
well okay, i really don't like halo but that didn't stop it.
Not just that, I only recently heard about it. People I have talked to don't seem to be interested either.
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Not just that, I only recently heard about it. People I have talked to don't seem to be interested either.
WOW! Maybe thats because it isn't slated to come out til Q1 08? It's not a big name series, don't expect massive hype!
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Man, I love the elevators in this game so much. This is how loading screens SHOULD be done.