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General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: KK4 on October 24, 2007, 04:29:53 am
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Seems there is a controversy a'brewin' in that there land we all think is Holy. Revered Rabbi Yitzak Kaduri reveals the name of the Messiah in a note after his death... but... uh... he's 1974 years late :fogetshrug:
Hidden content (Click to reveal)Rabbi Reveals Name of the Messiah
Shortly before he died, one of Israel's most prominent rabbis wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was opened, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah.
A few months before he died, one of the nation’s most prominent rabbis, Yitzhak Kaduri, supposedly wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was unsealed, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah.
With the biblical name of Jesus, the Rabbi and kabbalist described the Messiah using six words and hinting that the initial letters form the name of the Messiah. The secret note said:
Concerning the letter abbreviation of the Messiah’s name, He will lift the people and prove that his word and law are valid.
This is I have signed in the month of mercy,
Yitzhak Kaduri
The Hebrew sentence (translated above in bold) with the hidden name of the Messiah reads: Yarim Ha’Am Veyokhiakh Shedvaro Vetorato Omdim
The initials spell the Hebrew name of Jesus, Yehoshua. Yehoshua and Yeshua are e ectively the same name, derived from the same Hebrew root of the word “salvation” as documented in Zechariah 6:11 and Ezra 3:2. The same priest writes in Ezra, “Yeshua son of Yozadak” while writing in Zechariah “Yehoshua son of Yohozadak.” The priest adds the holy abbreviation of God’s name, ho, in the father’s name Yozadak and in the name Yeshua.
With one of Israel’s most prominent rabbis indicating the name of the Messiah is Yeshua, it is understandable why his last wish was to wait one year after his death before revealing what he wrote.
When the name of Yehoshua appeared in Kaduri’s message, ultra-Orthodox Jews from his Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva (seminary) in Jerusalem argued that their master did not leave the exact solution for decoding the Messiah’s name.
The revelation received scant coverage in the Israeli media. Only the Hebrew websites News First Class (Nfc) and Kaduri.net mentioned the Messiah note, insisting it was authentic. The Hebrew daily Ma'ariv ran a story on the note but described it as a forgery.
Jewish readers responded on the websites' forums with mixed feelings: “So this means Rabbi Kaduri was a Christian?” and “The Christians are dancing and celebrating,” were among the comments.
Israel Today spoke to two of Kaduri’s followers in Jerusalem who admitted that the note was authentic, but confusing for his followers as well. “We have no idea how the Rabbi got to this name of the Messiah,” one of them said.
Yet others completely deny any possibility that the note is authentic. Kaduri’s son, Rabbi David Kaduri, said that at the time the note was written (September 2005), his father’s physical condition made it impossible for him to write.
KADURI'S PORTRAYAL OF THE MESSIAH
A few months before Kaduri died at the age of 108, he surprised his followers when he told them that he met the Messiah. Kaduri gave a message in his synagogue on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, teaching how to recognize the Messiah. He also mentioned that the Messiah would appear to Israel after Ariel Sharon’s death. (The former prime minister is still in a coma after suffering a massive stroke more than a year ago.)
Other rabbis predict the same, including Rabbi Haim Cohen, kabbalist Nir Ben Artzi and the wife of Rabbi Haim Kneiveskzy.
Kaduri’s grandson, Rabbi Yosef Kaduri, said his grandfather spoke many times during his last days about the coming of the Messiah and redemption through the Messiah.
His spiritual portrayals of the Messiah—reminiscent of New Testament accounts—were published on the websites Kaduri.net and Nfc:
“It is hard for many good people in society to understand the person of the Messiah. The leadership and order of a Messiah of flesh and blood is hard to accept for many in the nation. As leader, the Messiah will not hold any office, but will be among the people and use the media to communicate. His reign will be pure and without personal or political desire. During his dominion, only righteousness and truth will reign.
“Will all believe in the Messiah right away? No, in the beginning some of us will believe in him and some not. It will be easier for non-religious people to follow the Messiah than for Orthodox people.
“The revelation of the Messiah will be fullled in two stages: First, he will actively confirm his position as Messiah without knowing himself that he is the Messiah. Then he will reveal himself to some Jews, not necessarily to wise Torah scholars. It can be even simple people. Only then he will reveal himself to the whole nation. The people will wonder and say: ‘What, that’s the Messiah?’ Many have known his name but have not believed that he is the Messiah.”
FAREWELL TO A 'TSADIK'
Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri was known for his photographic memory and his memorization of the Bible, the Talmud, Rashi and other Jewish writings. He knew Jewish sages and celebrities of the last century and rabbis who lived in the Holy Land and kept the faith alive before the State of Israel was born.
Kaduri was not only highly esteemed because of his age of 108. He was charismatic and wise, and chief rabbis looked up to him as a Tsadik, a righteous man or saint. He would give advice and blessings to everyone who asked. Thousands visited him to ask for counsel or healing. His followers speak of many miracles and his students say that he predicted many disasters.
When he died, more than 200,000 people joined the funeral procession on the streets of Jerusalem to pay their respects as he was taken to hisfinal resting place.
“When he comes, the Messiah will rescue Jerusalem from foreign religions that want to rule the city,” Kaduri once said. “They will not succeed for they will fight against one another.”
THE RABBI'S FOLLOWERS REACT
In an interview with Israel Today, Rabbi David Kaduri, the 80-year-old son of the late Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri, denied that his father left a note with the name Yeshua just before he died.
“It’s not his writing,” he said when we showed him a copy of the note.
During a nighttime meeting in the Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva in Jerusalem, books with the elder Kaduri’s handwriting from 80 years ago were presented to us in an attempt to prove that the Messiah note was not authentic.
When we told Rabbi Kaduri that his father’s official website (www.kaduri.net) had mentioned the Messiah note, he was shocked. “Oh no! That’s blasphemy. The people could understand that my father pointed to him [the Messiah of the Christians].”
David Kaduri confirmed, however, that in his last year, his father had talked and dreamed almost exclusively about the Messiah and his coming. “My father has met the Messiah in a vision,” he said, “and told us that he would come soon.”
Israel Today was given access to many of the rabbi's manuscripts, written in his own hand for the exclusive use of his students. Most striking were the cross-like symbols painted by Kaduri all over the pages. In the Jewish tradition, one does not use crosses. In fact, even the use of a plus sign is discouraged because it might be mistaken for a cross.
But there they were, scribbled in the rabbi's own hand. When we asked what those symbols meant, Rabbi David Kaduri said they were “signs of the angel." Pressed further about the meaning of the “signs of the angel," he said he had no idea. Rabbi David Kaduri went on to explain that only his father had had a spiritual relationship with God and had met the Messiah in his dreams.
Orthodox Jews around the Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva told Israel Today a few weeks later that the story about the secret note of Rabbi Kaduri should never have come out, and that it had damaged the name the revered old sage.
Edited for linktasticness http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=128&view=item&idx=1347
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sweet dude irrelevant anti-semitic news without a link.
also notice how completely unprofessionally it's written with WEs all over the place.
also also notice how KK4 glosses over the fact that the man's own family says he couldn't write at the time this magic note was written, how a google search for phrases from this article brings up blogs, with the original article throwing an exception error (http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=128&view=item&idx=1347 can you see this) and how no one cares at all since rabbis since time immemorial have converted to Christianity on this premise.
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Oh yeah, for got the link, lel
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Xenosaga Episode 3 told me the name of Yeshua long before any rabbi.
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sweet dude irrelevant anti-semitic news because rabbis since Christ died have done this.
did you just skip the parts that you didn't like because really this is a stupid topic and once again when you are a self avowed ex-nazi maybe you should avoid posting topics about SILLY JEWS?
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LEL. I am posting a topic about an interesting news story that I found on the internet, there is nothing racist about it. Flame less.
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Hello KK4, its good to see you're still at destroying all religion and conspiracy theories. You should tell them about our secret plan to slowly invade and replace the population of the United States with the aid of Hilary Clinton.
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Hola Azure, mi amigo! ¿Que tal? No, I don't think I will be revealing my agenda just yet, it's far too early. They'll never understand even if they did know. Lel.
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sweet.
hey i found this article about blacks being stupid ergo if I post and say HEH...RELEVANT it will be raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad and won't reflect on my persona at all.
even if the article is several months old from a shitty news site!
man that analogy isn't even as stupid as what you've done here. it would be more like ASIANS LIKE ENGINEERING PASS IT ON or some stupid shit but more racist somehow.
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haha i like how the first two paragraphs are exactly the same
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sweet.
hey i found this article about blacks being stupid ergo if I post and say HEH...RELEVANT it will be raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad and won't reflect on my persona at all.
even if the article is several months old from a shitty news site!
man that analogy isn't even as stupid as what you've done here. it would be more like ASIANS LIKE ENGINEERING PASS IT ON or some stupid shit but more racist somehow.
Wait! post the article about the deputy mayor of Delhi being ASSASSINATED by monkeys, that's a good one and also off topic as all fuck. Also, it is far more entertaining than your whining. Lel.
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PLEASE stop saying lel
jesus christ that's really beginning to bother me.
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how do you feel about J.E.S.A.S.
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Wouldn't Yehoshua be Joshua?
Uh, praise Joshua, I guess!
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haha i like how the first two paragraphs are exactly the same
quality reporting.
how do you feel about J.E.S.A.S.
At the start of the show, the Japanese military has just given over control of their J.U.D.A.S. missilies to the J.E.S.A.S. system, which quickly integrates itself into the MainFrame, a massive computer network. Kazuya Aiyo (voiced by Tezuka Buchou) is the only one with the deactivation Gospel Key no Heaven, which can destroy the J.E.S.A.S. at the loss of the wielder's life.
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Yeah, I believe Jesus is the Greek translation, or the Latin translation from the Greek from the Hebrew. His real name was supposedly Yeoshua Ben something or other. I dunno if the note is a scam or not on behalf of some unscrupulous individuals. However, it seems that the Rabbi's family is serious as hell about getting this shorted out, seeing how he's so revered. It'll be an interesting turn of events in the least
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At the start of the show, the Japanese military has just given over control of their J.U.D.A.S. missilies to the J.E.S.A.S. system, which quickly integrates itself into the MainFrame, a massive computer network. Kazuya Aiyo (voiced by Tezuka Buchou) is the only one with the deactivation Gospel Key no Heaven, which can destroy the J.E.S.A.S. at the loss of the wielder's life.
is this new anime?
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I don't see how this is a relevant news story that's actually going to spawn any good discussion. All you did was post a news story from some strange biased news source and added a provocative comment. That's not how you make good topics. Immediately going into full defense when someone replies to it is also not a good idea.
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I really don't understand how one rabbi believing christ is the messiah is interesting in the least bit.
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this topic fucking sucks
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this is pretty fantastic if it's really big, like if it's the jewish equivalent of the pope proclaiming mohammed was the highest prophet or something.
it's probably just tabloid stuff anyway, but that is the best way possible to spread something important: in a letter after you're dead
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WOW THE CONTROVERSY
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my world is in ruins
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dang so it isn't michael landon then is it
all the wasted years
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why does he keep saying lel
like
what does it mean
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why does he keep saying lel
like
what does it mean
I don't think anyone knows dude :fogetshrug:
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IN BEFORE LOCKED TOPIC!
It's funny especially considering how we Jews don't really get along what the messiah is.
Some people say it's a person, some say it's an era. I personally believe the latter.
The "messiah" is an era where the world will be perfect. Without wars, without sickness, without famine. And that is not something some random guy will come and declare. It's something we have to work towards ourselves.
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Maybe he was just one of those Jews for Jesus or whatever they're called
Also the "messiah" as an era sounds a lot better
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What the FUCK you guys? If ANYONE else posted this topic half the posts in this topic wouldn't have happened.
We already explained our opinion on KK4 in his very own topic in feedback. Either reply to these like NORMAL TOPICS or not at all (I HEAVILY SUGGEST THE LATTER BECUASE YOU CANNOT SEEM TO DO THE FORMER).
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after his death... but... uh... he's 1974 years late
Jewish people don't view that guy who was born 2012 years ago as the messiah, pretty much considering him akin to FALSE PROPHET ZEB and so on.
yeah, I believe Jesus is the Greek translation, or the Latin translation from the Greek from the Hebrew. His real name was supposedly Yeoshua Ben something or other
Jesus/Yeshua is Aramaic for messiah. Christ is Greek for messiah.
Yeshua wasn't his name therefore XD. It is more likely to have been Emmanuel ben (WAIT FOR IT!!....) JOSEPH. Joseph being his father and all.
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What the FUCK you guys? If ANYONE else posted this topic half the posts in this topic wouldn't have happened.
We already explained our opinion on KK4 in his very own topic in feedback. Either reply to these like NORMAL TOPICS or not at all (I HEAVILY SUGGEST THE LATTER BECUASE YOU CANNOT SEEM TO DO THE FORMER).
Uh no this is a pretty horrible topic based on a sketchy news source with no room for discussion except "jews don't like jesus LEL." If I posted this topic, I'd expect just as much negativity. The fact that kk4 posted it is just gravy on the top.
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Well, aside from this being a pretty poor topic I can see it venturing into debate on KK4 again which I'd prefer to be settled elsewhere so I think I'm just going to lock this beforehand~