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General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: Parker on October 25, 2007, 06:43:11 am
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So, I want to make a learned decision for next years presidential election (http://www.indecision2008.com/"). And I'm not ENTIRELY sure who I would want to see as President! So, how do you guys narrow it down? I've read each candidates Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Political_positions_of_politicians) page on the issues that matter to me, and browsed through ontheissues.com . I've kinda narrowed it down between a few guys (Colbert), but I'm on the fence.
So how about you guys? How much research do you do? Do you even VOTE? For the guys outside the country (THE COUNTRY = USA), how closely do you follow the elections?
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I think maybe Phil Collins or possibly Porcupine Tree are the best candidates. I wouldn't even consider giving my vote to the Beastie Boys, though--not after their most recent comments. Maybe Kelly Clarkson would be a good leader, actually.
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Pink would be better due to the serious and political nature of her songs.
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Public Enemy ftw
Go PE08!!!
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Nice JOJOFACE, nice...
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ask me because i rule heh.
don't vote for Colbert because as much as you might be disgruntled against the democratic process there are actual good candidates out there. Ron Paul is secretly one of the worse candidates, with the only benefit to him being that he's so bad Congress would never let him pass any of his bills. most of the Republicans are throwaway this year honestly, but it's not like there has been a good one since McCain in 2000, back when he had more ethics and wasn't a prowar nutjob. Guiliani is horrible as shit and might be winning the nomination, and he once threw the homeless into vans and then drove them out of the city and dumped them into slums, then said I CLEANED UP THE CITY. if you are so committed to abortion and that's your single issue vote, fuck you anyways don't vote!
of the Democrats, Obama's the best front runner, despite what shit Doktormartini likes to believe (hey guys can you believe?????????? Obama didn't say he'd rule out another war WHAT A MONSTER YOU KNOW PRESIDENTS THAT TAKE A HARDLINE STANCE AGAINST DEFENSE ALWAYS WIN!!!!), but he's way behind Hillary. Kucinich was the best of the lot and he's pretty much out of it. Hillary is not a good candidate, but it's interesting the tack that people take against her is shit like what Ron Paul did (oh snaaaaaaap) where he said that Hillary was a commie socialist who was possibly a lesbian in college, and in reality she's really conservative in many ways and was in fact part of the College Republicans.
so I mean, between Guiliani and Hillary, I'd rather vote for the one who is riding on her husband's coattails instead of 9/11 and doesn't have the risk of forcibly evicting the illegal immigrants in giant concentration camp style trains.
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of the Democrats, Obama's the best front runner, despite what shit Doktormartini likes to believe (hey guys can you believe?????????? Obama didn't say he'd rule out another war WHAT A MONSTER YOU KNOW PRESIDENTS THAT TAKE A HARDLINE STANCE AGAINST DEFENSE ALWAYS WIN!!!!), but he's way behind Hillary. Kucinich was the best of the lot and he's pretty much out of it. Hillary is not a good candidate, but it's interesting the tack that people take against her is shit like what Ron Paul did (oh snaaaaaaap) where he said that Hillary was a commie socialist who was possibly a lesbian in college, and in reality she's really conservative in many ways and was in fact part of the College Republicans.
so I mean, between Guiliani and Hillary, I'd rather vote for the one who is riding on her husband's coattails instead of 9/11 and doesn't have the risk of forcibly evicting the illegal immigrants in giant concentration camp style trains.
this pretty much. Hillary is pretty mediocre as a candidate, Obama is the best frontrunner, and Kucinich is probably the best overall candidate. the republicans are pretty shit in general. I don't really agree completely with steel on Giuliani being a shoe-in for the republicans, i think Romney may have a decent chance
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Obama screams victory to me. I've watched some interviews he's been in, some of his Youtube videos, and the debates he took place in. His views make a lot of sense and are perfect for a progressive America.
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as I remember, Guiliani was in the lead by a considerable margin in donations, but I haven't seen the latest polls.
just checked and it's mostly Thompson and Guiliani. that and Romney is Mormon, so he's out (when your religion involves space underwear and magic hats).
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I met Obama last night in a small (around 200) person rally here in GOOD OLD NEW HAMPSHIRE.
What a guy, jesus he really can work a room and the things he says just make you want to stand up and cheer.
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I'm going to vote for... nobody! Because I don't live in the US. Still, your president will affect me as well. So please make the right decision by voting for that black guy.
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I'm going to vote for... nobody! Because I don't live in the US. Still, your president will affect me as well. So please make the right decision by voting for that black guy.
Vote for that black guy.
That black guy.
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I think the best thing for you to do is to look at their official campaign pages, their voting record (or other political records, and then check out some of their speeches and videos, then decide for yourself who you think the best choice is. IMHO it's not about who is where in the polls or who has the best chance of winning, what really matters is that your choice is right for you. Vote for who you want, not the person most likely to win. There is a wealth of information on the internet, see if you can find links to transcripts, audio or video of their interviews and statements. If you really want to look into the candidates it'll take time and effort, but will be worth it if you find the best candidate for you, even if they don't win.
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Wait, I thought that the parties nominated someone, and then you vote for them in some sort of electron college. So following who's front-runner for the particular parties would be a point of interest at this point in time.
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They do, but this is primary election time, so you can vote for whom ever you want to, and even in the general election you can chose to abstain or vote for a 3rd party if the candidates are not to your liking. We can pretty much vote for whom ever we want, unless the courts decide to take a candidate off the ticket.
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what's primary election time? You get to vote who the party has to or should nominate? Or is it just some sort of official popularity contest?
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what's primary election time? You get to vote who the party has to or should nominate? Or is it just some sort of official popularity contest?
Yeah, you vote for who the party should nominate. However, the party delegates can vote for whom ever they like at the party national conventions, even though they're supposed to reflect the will of their local party members.
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I met Obama last night in a small (around 200) person rally here in GOOD OLD NEW HAMPSHIRE.
What a guy, jesus he really can work a room and the things he says just make you want to stand up and cheer.
Wow, even if you don't intend to vote for him or any liberal candidate for that matter that's pretty honest and respectable of you to say that. Props to you for being open minded especially when (correct me if I'm wrong) a number of members here give you crap for your supposedly strongly conservative political agenda.
You know what I'm saying :fogetshrug:. Maybe I have things wrong but if not that's pretty respectable imho.
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I'm meeting Obama monday in Charlottesville, and probably voting for him come primary time.
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Truth's gotten more liberal from our corruption :)
and yes, at the moment, these are the primary election. since the president is a lame duck (meaning he can't run again) both parties are searching for a candidate to throw on the field that will win. the republicans are in the unenviable position of having to justify a war their entire party is still for, which is why it looks like the democrats might take it next year.
of course that's a gross oversimplification but you get the drift.
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i follow the american elections pretty damn closely cos i have a secret america hard-on (not a secret)
anyway, it has actually been quite a while since i researched on this stuff so this topic has reminded me to get going and do so.
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what i don't understand is why these <1% people are still tagging along and wasting money on the campaign trail. maybe they're hoping to pick up a VP spot??
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what i don't understand is why these <1% people are still tagging along and wasting money on the campaign trail. maybe they're hoping to pick up a VP spot??
I don't much about this stuff, but I remember someone telling me they get $$$$ back if they can garner a certain tiny percentage of the votes. idk I'm probably wrong
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For many of these lower tiered candidates, the only real way to gauge the success of their campaign is to run a serious campaign and see how far they get. Often, they will drop out before the primaries are complete if their campaign is going no where. And if nothing else, they have a short opportunity to convey their particular ideas to the public.
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the two arguments have been brought up yeah; Ron Paul is this generation's Lyndon Larouche, Kucinich runs in hopes that something might happen, and a few of the rest get to hide away some campaign money if they are clever enough.
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I did all this research a while ago, and I am split between Bill Richardson and Dennis Kucinich. Richardson seems like the most genuine, caring, and motivated candidate, but I agree with Kucinich on more issues than I do with Richardson.
I think I am definitely leaning towards Kucinich simply because of his stances on the issues, but Richardson's history of public service stands out far more, and he is the only Democratic candidate AFAIK who has any executive experience.
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the two arguments have been brought up yeah; Ron Paul is this generation's Lyndon Larouche, Kucinich runs in hopes that something might happen, and a few of the rest get to hide away some campaign money if they are clever enough.
What is with you and Ron Paul? :mellow:
I still have not seen a more libertarian candidate. Could you please inform me if there are any yet?
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What is with you and Ron Paul? :mellow:
I still have not seen a more libertarian candidate. Could you please inform me if there are any yet?
the problem is him being a libertarian, and a total pigheaded moron
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Wow, even if you don't intend to vote for him or any liberal candidate for that matter that's pretty honest and respectable of you to say that. Props to you for being open minded especially when (correct me if I'm wrong) a number of members here give you crap for your supposedly strongly conservative political agenda.
You know what I'm saying :fogetshrug:. Maybe I have things wrong but if not that's pretty respectable imho.
i have only been really classified as a conservative for my views on one or two issues and even then it is just like IN COMPARISON to most people on gw.
but yeah i have always been an independent but i have been leaning more and more left lately. While i am strongly pro life i can't vote for any of the disgusting republican cockbags, hillary makes me vomit, and poor mister kucinich isn't going to get the nomination in a million years so it looks like OBAMA IS MY MAN
OBAMA.... MORE LIKE OSAMA THAT'S WHAT MITT ROMNEY TOLD ME......... FUCKING HOPEMONGER I HATE HIM...
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Maybe Kelly Clarkson would be a good leader, actually.
People's choice.
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For the guys outside the country (THE COUNTRY = USA), how closely do you follow the elections?
Not at all. I have no idea who Ron Paul or Obama is, and for all I know Kelly Clarkson could actually be a politician. I have no interest in finnish politics and much less in foreign ones.
That said, I will read the news article(s) whenever someone is elected.
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man how do you guys not know who Ron Paul is.
the internet went nuts over him, do you not go to Digg or Youtube or any other forums?
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Kucinich will most likely be getting my vote. :shh:
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I'll probably vote for
Osama Obama, he's extremely charismatic.
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man how do you guys not know who Ron Paul is.
the internet went nuts over him, do you not go to Digg or Youtube or any other forums?
if only you knew how unprofessional our foreign politics tv coverage is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C-aVe1eZ6o
that'll give you an idea (that is actually serious, they actually managed to get OSAMA BIN LADEN in the intro instead of barack obama)
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Heh. That's hilarious. Much worse than Fox News having Osama as a headliner when they talked about Obama.
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no dude ron paul isn't on tv because he fucking sucks.
I mean, why don't you know him from the fat white libertarians posting him EVERYWHERE.
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Man it's even worse for me. Do you guys know what the FREE STATE PROJECT is? Go wikipedia it, it was a big idea by libertarians to move all their disgusting selfish asses to new hampshire to have a libertarian state. But fuck them because I for one will never let that happen in my lifetime.
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no dude ron paul isn't on tv because he fucking sucks.
I mean, why don't you know him from the fat white libertarians posting him EVERYWHERE.
I don't really know any fat people (they're pretty rare here) and I don't know what a libertarian is so go figure. I just wiki'd him and saw his face and I can say I've never seen him before!
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if only you knew how unprofessional our foreign politics tv coverage is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C-aVe1eZ6o
that'll give you an idea (that is actually serious, they actually managed to get OSAMA BIN LADEN in the intro instead of barack obama)
no dude this is a joke program!!!
also yes the freestate thing is hilarious.
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if only you knew how unprofessional our foreign politics tv coverage is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C-aVe1eZ6o
that'll give you an idea (that is actually serious, they actually managed to get OSAMA BIN LADEN in the intro instead of barack obama)
hahahahahahha thats amazing
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man I havent decided if this woman is really retarded or if this is like borat
I'm hoping its the latter (also I'd hit it)
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she's a joke reporter dogg.
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if only you knew how unprofessional our foreign politics tv coverage is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C-aVe1eZ6o
that'll give you an idea (that is actually serious, they actually managed to get OSAMA BIN LADEN in the intro instead of barack obama)
did she say george double-d bush?
edit: oh joke program ok
edit edit: i stopped after she said "george double-d bush" to post this but upon further review it's pretty obvious that it's a daily show type deal
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yeah, it's fairly obvious that she is a joke reporter.
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Can someone link me up to that big libertarian discussion we had in the poll forum(?) a while back? It feels like it took place about a month ago but I fear it may have been quite a bit further back. I remember there was a lot of libertarian bashing and I just want to analyze some of the points brought up and familiarize myself with that discussion.
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yeah that was me. I stopped legitimate debate when he mentioned Alex Jones and I saw he was a 9/11 apologist, and fully went off when I found out he was an anti-semitic douchebag.
http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=64644.0
it starts on page one with me just trolling any old libertarian ideals and explodes with KK4. if you want a legitimate discussion though post here I guess I can maybe legitimize it but the basic failings of libertarianism are
1. rational actors dont exist
2. externalities
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yeah that was me. I stopped legitimate debate when he mentioned Alex Jones and I saw he was a 9/11 apologist, and fully went off when I found out he was an anti-semitic douchebag.
http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=64644.0
it starts on page one with me just trolling any old libertarian ideals and explodes with KK4. if you want a legitimate discussion though post here I guess I can maybe legitimize it but the basic failings of libertarianism are
1. rational actors dont exist
2. externalities
Thanks much steel! I thought it was you who started it but wasn't positive.
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no dude this is a joke program!!!
no shit sherlock