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Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 02, 2007, 05:40:54 am
Ever played an rpg that Is good yet none seems to know about it? Im a big fan of that...so lets discuss games that are considered "rare" or "underated"

(PC)Mr Robot:
http://www.moonpod.com/graphic/mrrobot/shots/7.jpg
At first glance its a puzzle game..but if you play it for a couple of mins..BAM..your hacking robots and figthing viruses with party member and exp and all that jazz,it doesnt suck that bad...infact its quite fun...

(PC)The Chosen : Well of Souls:
http://www.meridian4.com/images/games/screenshots/large/TheChosen5.jpg
At first glance its a Diablo rip-off...well it kinda is but just cause its a rip off doesnt make it bad! I even heard you can switch to fps mode but I cant figure it out...

(PC)Divine Divinity:
http://www.larian.com/Site/artwork/screen80_enl.jpg
This is a good ol`hack and slash with a twist..its completly free-roamer,I didnt get to the main quest till I was 30 hours already into the game..this game is just good..btw the sequel sucked in my opinion as it took all the good things from the original and made them crap...

This are only a few I will continue to update the list.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Aten on November 02, 2007, 05:57:54 am
(PS2) Mark of Kri

(PS2) Spyro: A New Begining

(PS1) Threads Of Fate
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 02, 2007, 06:16:39 am
(PS2) Mark of Kri

(PS2) Spyro: A New Begining

(PS1) Threads Of Fate

Wait wait wait.. Spyro is an rpg? Isnt it suposed to be an adventure game? Can you elaborate more?
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: DS on November 02, 2007, 06:25:06 am
I think he didn't read your topic title................... and this can make it kinda confusing:

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Ever played a game that Is good yet none seems to know about it? Im a big fan of that...so lets discuss games that are considered "rare" or "underated"
change a game to an rpg (why did you randomly capitalize Is btw)
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Verne on November 02, 2007, 09:12:03 am
The Adventures of Alundra (PSone)
(http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/23022/19659810462frontgt0.jpg)
While propably not so "unknown" there weren't really many copies sold. It's a really great adventure RPG ala Zelda, but with more mature and darker story and setting. It also featured anime videoclips for japfags and some of the best game music ever (Shrine of the Lake <3). There also was a total failure sequel that had nothing to do with the original (or so they say since I never played it).
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: SpiralViper on November 02, 2007, 11:47:55 am
Pretty much anything Shin Megami Tensei. Persona 3 got an awful lot more attention than usual though.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: PTizzle on November 02, 2007, 12:25:13 pm
PC - Jagged Alliance 2 - My favourite tactical RPG ever, easily equals Fallout in my mind. You can get it on Steam now, so have a looksie.

PS2 - Digital Devil Saga - An SMT game as mentioned above. One of my favourite PS2 RPG's.

PS1 - Guardian's Crusade - A great little RPG. Extremely simple and bright, but it's just a traditional, retro game with solid mechanics. It's not gonna go on your top 10 list anytime soon, but if you see it cheap I'd say give it a shot if you want something fun.

GBA - Riviera: The Promised Land - Wow. The best original RPG on the GBA, in my opinion. Really good, refreshingly original systems with an interesting story kept me pretty drawn in here.

SNES - Lufia II - This game was fairly popular in it's time but I implore everyone to go and play it now if you haven't. Great pacing, great story and some damn cool sidequests makes this one of my all time favourite RPG's.

I'll add some more when I think of them.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 02, 2007, 04:20:57 pm
Pretty much anything Shin Megami Tensei. Persona 3 got an awful lot more attention than usual though.

Must be due to the whole "dating" thing... its pretty lame... Shin Megami Tensei(the one for snes) had a naked chick rigth at the beggining..but it didnt get much attention...


EDIT:Riviera is getting a psp remake just to let you know PTizzle
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: The Dude on November 02, 2007, 04:56:01 pm
Azure Dreams (PSX) ; hard as hell, I found, but it definitely was worth a try. Very cool

Chocobo Dungeon (PSX) ; wicked cool dungeon crawler, featuring our friend, Chocobo!
Chocobo Dungeon 2 (PSX) ; same deals.
Chocobo Racing (PSX) ; it was a racing game, not RPG--though did have a RPG-esque story, still-- damn worth mentioning. It has the worst graphics you could possibly ask for--- but it's THE most addictive game I've ever played (and still do on occassion)

Skies of Arcadia (Dreamcast) ; not TERRIBLY rare, but some haven't heard of it-- The plot is as generic and cliche as possible, the battle system is slightly original, and the ship battles are gorgeously fun. I dunno... somehow it's one of my favourite RPGs ever.

the Final Fantasy Legend series (Game Boy) ; I think they were part of the Mana series in Japan, and translated to the FFLegend series in north america(EDIT: <thanks to Ocean's Dream> it was translated into "Final Fantasy Legend" from the Japanese "SaGa" series), nonetheless, one cool series (3 games, that I know of). You had a team of generic joes and janes, and depending on the game you could pick your race/class/whathaveyou, then throughout the game, eat monster meat (or metal junk) and change into different monsters etc to aquire new abilities. It was a really cool series. I enjoyed them.

The Quest of Dude (http://www.team-captin.com/games/The%20Quest%20of%20Dude.exe)  (PC) :fogetshh: ; it's made by some Dudesoft guy, no one knows much about it.

ARGH (PSX) ; Frig, I can't think of the name right now, but there was a game I bought for the anime cutscenes (I was into anime in highschool, sue me) and the cool battle system shown off in a Playstation Mag demo disc. It had ugly no-faced characters that were years behind technology then, and you had this magical armlet that would transform you into wearing armour and weapons. It was more of an action-RPG, come to think of it.

Omikron: the Nomad Soul (Dreamcast) ; this sort of follows RPG standards... though more towards Shenmue. The battlesystem, that rarely reared it's head (except when you weren't expecting it, and thusly die) was a fighting game style, too. I dunno. Music by David Bowie (he even had an in-game cameo as a singer in a band), bleak distopia city setting (like Blade Runner), good graphics (for the time), pre-GTA free-roaming, and a cool story where you could die, and then wander into the next available person and assume their life.

Jade Cocoon: Story of Tamamayu (PSX) ; Absolute MUST-HAVE. It's a monster-trainer/breeder game... really one of the most fun I had on PSone. You play some kid from a village in the middle of giant monster forest, and trap monsters in silk (?), then use the monster to breed with your monsters so you get a stronger beast... or potentially a super hidden beast... until you beat the game, at which point you unlock a super dungeon crawler level, that sprawls endlessly with challenging bosses at each stage end.
Jade Cocoon 2 was... a similar concept, except they killed it by making the hero a younger punk kid, who was doing monster hunting as a job; and it was at this point in time common place to do, so the whole thing stank of Pokemon. (not that there's anything wrong with Pokemons. :P)

What else... Well, I can think of several very interesting other genre games, but I guess that doesn't apply here. So :P
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Ocean's Dream on November 02, 2007, 05:03:24 pm
the Final Fantasy Legend series (Game Boy) ; I think they were part of the Mana series in Japan, and translated to the FFLegend series in north america, nonetheless, one cool series (3 games, that I know of). You had a team of generic joes and janes, and depending on the game you could pick your race/class/whathaveyou, then throughout the game, eat monster meat (or metal junk) and change into different monsters etc to aquire new abilities. It was a really cool series. I enjoyed them.
Final Fantasy Legend series were part of the SaGa series, not the Mana series. Final Fantasy adventure was part of the mana series.

I played all 3 of them, and I found my favorite to be FFL2. For some reason I liked how they pulled off the weapon use system there. I found FFL3 to be really boring though, and FFL1 not as good as FFL2.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: The Dude on November 02, 2007, 05:07:16 pm
SaGa? Oh ok, well, I heard 'something' about that years ago. SaGa sounds more likely than Mana, to be truthful.
Yeah, I liked FFL2 most too. It was great. FFL3 had that Raven ship or something. Falcon, maybe. That was interesting, but it seemed more story driven. I ought to track down a copy of those games one day.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: The Dude on November 02, 2007, 05:08:36 pm
(this was a mistake, sorry) (I better pay for premium so this won't happen! :D​)
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: NightBlade on November 02, 2007, 07:15:33 pm
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GBA - Riviera: The Promised Land - Wow. The best original RPG on the GBA, in my opinion. Really good, refreshingly original systems with an interesting story kept me pretty drawn in here.

This perplexes me, even my brother; who has poor taste in certain things loathed this game. I had a brain hemorrhage playing through the first 20 minutes of this game, no offense though; I just wonder what people see in it.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Shinan on November 02, 2007, 07:49:43 pm
PC - Jagged Alliance 2 - My favourite tactical RPG ever, easily equals Fallout in my mind. You can get it on Steam now, so have a looksie.
JA2 is awesome. And hellahard... It's strange how the game can be great despite the fact that I quicksave and quickload every other minute... However if JA2 counts then Silent Storm (PC) should also count. Tactical "RPG" with fully destructible environments. Spawned an expansion pack (Sentinels, which added to the RPG-elements) and a couple of games based in the engine (Hammer & Sickle, a game that probably is as close to an RPG you get with the engine. EDIT: And also Night Watch, an RPG based on the film with the same name. Unfortunately I've heard nearly only bad things about that game.)

Also Arcanum. Actually Arcanum doesn't seem to be all that unknown and those who have played it usually praise it but it still deserves all the extra attention it can get (Especially now that the previously underrated Planescape Torment has come into nearly everyone's radar). The other Troika games deserve a bit of attention. Vampire Bloodlines probably not so much since it's so recent and despite maybe being under the radar it wasn't so much under the radar after all. But Temple of Elemental Evil which is a DnD Module that is nearly all battles and the game is very well executed in that department, doing its best to make the otherwise bland battles of DnD at least somewhat exciting on the PC. I would have loved to see something DnD less battly done with the same engine, where Infinity Engine (Baldur's Gate) got nearly everything wrong, the Temple of Elemental Evil engine gets nearly everything right.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 02, 2007, 09:04:00 pm
This perplexes me, even my brother; who has poor taste in certain things loathed this game. I had a brain hemorrhage playing through the first 20 minutes of this game, no offense though; I just wonder what people see in it.

Same here that game bores me as hell,but I dont want to be a hypocrite...some of the games I like(like Xenogears) are considered boring and all that jazz..because of that I guess Riviera can be considered "underated" cause alot of people including myself find it to be a piece of shit....But im still curious about whats so special about a game that has long-ass animation for a simple attack and limited movement on the world map...
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Neophyte on November 02, 2007, 09:23:46 pm
FFL1 was such a difficult game. Especially at the beginning, I always had trouble leveling up or getting my stats up.               
I liked FFL3 the best, the second one was almost as good since the leveling system rocked. I still have FFL1 locked up somewhere....I doubt I'll ever find it.

Skies of Arcadia was also awesome. The story sucked like Dudesoft said, but the music was INCREDIBLE. The concept of the whole game made up for the shit story.

Another Sleeper RPG I would like to point is Sword of Hope I and II(more Gameboy games). Those are probably my favorite GB games of all time, especially the second one. I still have the game right here, ever though half of the logo is ripped off the cartridge.

Damn, time to put these games on my PSP....
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Warlin on November 02, 2007, 09:28:03 pm
Time Stalkers for the DreamCast
First RPG that ever kept my attention span long enough for me to finish without stopping.
Its a damn unique game.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Grindie on November 02, 2007, 09:32:32 pm
All RPGs are "sleepers" if you ask me.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Madolah on November 02, 2007, 09:36:26 pm
Chocobo's dungeon 2 and Threads of fate where SWEET (2 games i played most on my PsOne ...
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 02, 2007, 10:40:57 pm
All RPGs are "sleepers" if you ask me.

Not really.. Final Fantasy sells alot...and Devil May Cry is like uber-popular as well....
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Shinan on November 02, 2007, 10:43:26 pm
Not really.. Final Fantasy sells alot...and Devil May Cry is like uber-popular as well....
What he obviously meant was that RPGs are so dreadfully boring that they can put anyone to sleep. I tend to start up an RPG whenever I can't sleep. I find them strangely soothing.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Roman on November 02, 2007, 11:08:06 pm
Devil Mary Cry is an RPG now?
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 03, 2007, 03:49:55 am
Devil Mary Cry is an RPG now?

Dude Im not looking for trouble here! I know yall fanstraigthboys are gonna gang up on me for saying Devil May Cry is an action rpg and Zelda is not... so like have mercy on me...
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Dead Phoenix on November 03, 2007, 06:18:52 am
Dude Im not looking for trouble here! I know yall fanstraigthboys are gonna gang up on me for saying Devil May Cry is an action rpg and Zelda is not... so like have mercy on me...
neither of those games are RPG's at all
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Yeaster on November 03, 2007, 12:44:27 pm
Persona 2. I have never met a person in RL who knows of the game.

Though I knew someone who owned Nocturne...which was funny, because the girl who owned was like really prissy and stupid, the last person you'd expect to enjoy a SMT game.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 04, 2007, 03:51:18 am
Persona 2. I have never met a person in RL who knows of the game.

Though I knew someone who owned Nocturne...which was funny, because the girl who owned was like really prissy and stupid, the last person you'd expect to enjoy a SMT game.

lol if she is that stupid you can fool her into selling you the game for cheap... dont tell her its rare! XD
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on November 04, 2007, 04:20:04 am
Not really.. Final Fantasy sells alot...and Devil May Cry is like uber-popular as well....

Sales. Indication of quality...

...

Actually, Grindie just hates RPGs. I mean, really hates them. He had a kick ass sig though. It went something along the lines of this.

Attack
Defend
Item
Die of boredom <=
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 04, 2007, 04:39:14 am
Sales. Indication of quality...

...

Actually, Grindie just hates RPGs. I mean, really hates them. He had a kick as sig though. It went something along the lines of this.

Attack
Defend
Item
Die of boredom <=



Gaming World: A games development site with many resources and tutorials for RPG Maker 2000 and RPG Maker 2003.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: AznChipmunk on November 04, 2007, 05:09:05 am
Gaming World: A games development site with many resources and tutorials for RPG Maker 2000 and RPG Maker 2003.


Gaming World: A site that is no longer focused on RPG Maker 2000 and RPG Maker 2003. It also has tutorials for Game Maker, which is not focused on RPG design.


The only RPGs I recommend are the Golden Sun games. (because they have nice puzzles and shiny effects)
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 04, 2007, 05:15:23 am
The only RPGs I recommend are the Golden Sun games. (because they have nice puzzles and shiny effects)

Play Lumines?  :fogetmmh:
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on November 04, 2007, 04:05:07 pm
Gaming World: A games development site with many resources and tutorials for RPG Maker 2000 and RPG Maker 2003.

So what? Grindie's made more games than any of those RPGmaker users, and none of them where RPGs.

Btw...

Gaming World: A games development site
Gaming World: A games development site
Gaming World: A games development site
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Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Nightmare on November 04, 2007, 04:37:39 pm
Breath of Fire III for the PSX.

I really really enjoy that RPG. It has awesome music, great mechanics, deep story, cool characters and it's kinda old-school as well. It's a really good RPG, and one of the games that reminds me how Capcom was so much more awesome back in the day.

The Breath of Fire series are all really good. 5 has interesting gameplay mechanics, but other than that it falls flat on its face. Sadly, all games are somewhat underrated.

Here's an awesome in-depth review of all the BoF games if you need to know more. (http://www.hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/bof/bof.htm)
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 04, 2007, 04:57:10 pm
Breath of Fire III for the PSX.

I really really enjoy that RPG. It has awesome music, great mechanics, deep story, cool characters and it's kinda old-school as well. It's a really good RPG, and one of the games that reminds me how Capcom was so much more awesome back in the day.

The Breath of Fire series are all really good. 5 has interesting gameplay mechanics, but other than that it falls flat on its face. Sadly, all games are somewhat underrated.

Here's an awesome in-depth review of all the BoF games if you need to know more. (http://www.hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/bof/bof.htm)

Why I dont get is why they suddenly changed the theme of the series...I guess thats what killed the series...


EDIT:+Rep for awesome link! it has a lot of reviews for a lot of good games! I appreciate it
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Post by: Shadowtext on November 04, 2007, 05:00:51 pm
Dragon Quarter was amazing, but definitely not for everyone, and it's not surprising it alienated long time BoF fans. It was unforgiving and 90% of it was dungeon crawler. Plus the palette was so dreary! Only a certain portion of the prime demo are going to be able to deal with that.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: AznChipmunk on November 04, 2007, 10:35:09 pm
Play Lumines?  :fogetmmh:


Uhhh.... That's not an RPG?
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: The Dude on November 05, 2007, 01:08:37 am
Chocobo's dungeon 2 and Threads of fate where SWEET (2 games i played most on my PsOne ...

Yo! I TOTALLY forgot about Threads of Fate! That game was killer sweet!

EDIT: OH, another I liked (though the annoying voices bothered me) was Brave Fencer Musashi. Though, I don't know if it ranks with the games we're mentioning thus far, and it was kind of more an action game anyway.  :hmm:

EDIT2: >_> oh--and Grandia had one of my favourite opening songs until Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion came along... ES4O has such an epic opening! :D Really makes me want to break out of that prison and play for hours on end until the game FEELS epic again! :D
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 05, 2007, 04:20:51 am
Uhhh.... That's not an RPG?


(because they have nice puzzles and shiny effects)

Lumines has lots of puzzles and shiny effects...I know ..lame joke..forgive me...


EDIT:

ES4O has such an epic opening! :D Really makes me want to break out of that prison and play for hours on end until the game FEELS epic again! :D

ES4O? Sounds like an rpg I havent played! *drolls* Do tell what it is!
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: XxSylverxX on November 05, 2007, 04:30:50 am
hes talking about oblivion.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 05, 2007, 04:33:42 am
hes talking about oblivion.

Ohh...Elder Scrolls 4 Oblivion = ES4O ....dam how stupid of me... I got exited cause I tougth it was rpg rareness but its not!  :fogetcry:
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Sarah on November 05, 2007, 04:46:09 am
hey otomon check this thread out http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=2269.0
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: AznChipmunk on November 05, 2007, 04:56:42 am
Lumines has lots of puzzles and shiny effects...I know ..lame joke..forgive me...

Uhhh... Golden Sun has better effects.

Lumines is that Tetris-like game, right? Well that's not exactly the same kind of puzzle. Golden Sun puzzles are like figuring out which way to push blocks do certain things to progress to the next area. Lumines would be like dropping blocks, like in Tetris.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 05, 2007, 05:19:53 am
Uhhh... I Golden Sun has better effects.

Lumines is that Tetris-like game, right? Well that's not exactly the same kind of puzzle. Golden Sun puzzles are like figuring out which way to push blocks do certain things to progress to the next area. Lumines would be like dropping blocks, like in Tetris.

Indeed?  :fogethuh: I did say I was joking rigth? omfgwatchoutforthatemp!!
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: PTizzle on November 05, 2007, 06:32:00 am
JA2 is awesome. And hellahard... It's strange how the game can be great despite the fact that I quicksave and quickload every other minute... However if JA2 counts then Silent Storm (PC) should also count. Tactical "RPG" with fully destructible environments. Spawned an expansion pack (Sentinels, which added to the RPG-elements) and a couple of games based in the engine (Hammer & Sickle, a game that probably is as close to an RPG you get with the engine. EDIT: And also Night Watch, an RPG based on the film with the same name. Unfortunately I've heard nearly only bad things about that game.)

Also Arcanum. Actually Arcanum doesn't seem to be all that unknown and those who have played it usually praise it but it still deserves all the extra attention it can get (Especially now that the previously underrated Planescape Torment has come into nearly everyone's radar).


JA2 is fantastic - you should try the semi-official 1.13 patch for it. Upgrades it to almost a totally new combat system, and there's a crapload of new stuff (at least 4x the original, heaps of cool guns).

I was actually gonna say Arcanum myself, but I didn't really consider it a 'sleeper'.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Nightmare on November 05, 2007, 01:41:42 pm
Why I dont get is why they suddenly changed the theme of the series...I guess thats what killed the series...


EDIT:+Rep for awesome link! it has a lot of reviews for a lot of good games! I appreciate it

Yeah changing the theme was the worst thing they did. Probably to give it more sales or make it more attractive to the stupid "younger generation". Bah. Forgive me if I got carried away.

Yeah that site is awesome, partly because I write for it. I have a lot of articles waiting to be submitted, but you can check out the Shadowrun review (I did that one). I'll soon get to submitting my other reviews.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: big ass skelly on November 05, 2007, 01:48:50 pm
My favourite RPG is street fighter 2 its a hidden gem

my favourite role to play is dhalsim
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: The Dude on November 05, 2007, 04:15:14 pm
I got 'Dungeon Maker' for PSP and it's a sleeper. Kinda feels like Jade Cocoon minus the fun. :/

edit- All this talk about old RPGs makes me want to break out my PSX collection. Maybe I'll try FF6. It's the only FF I haven't finished, oddly. Got as far as getting Gau, then lost interest.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 05, 2007, 05:39:52 pm
I got 'Dungeon Maker' for PSP and it's a sleeper. Kinda feels like Jade Cocoon minus the fun. :/

edit- All this talk about old RPGs makes me want to break out my PSX collection. Maybe I'll try FF6. It's the only FF I haven't finished, oddly. Got as far as getting Gau, then lost interest.

lol Same here bro I busted out my psp started playing Legend of Legaia again,that game was good...too bad its sequel was a sleeper rpg...
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Nightmare on November 05, 2007, 06:21:05 pm
Speaking of Shadowrun, the SNES and Genesis games are awesome sleepers.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Lars on November 06, 2007, 11:13:15 am
Speaking of Shadowrun, the SNES and Genesis games are awesome sleepers.
Man that game is hard!
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: goat on November 06, 2007, 12:01:40 pm
speaking of SNES:

tactics ogre
 (https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/agtp.romhack.net/images/news/tactics040507.png)
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: maladroithim on November 06, 2007, 08:01:44 pm
speaking of SNES:

tactics ogre

Man, Tactics Ogre was so neat but the high impact of one level of experience, coupled with the fact that all enemies had level equal to your highest level and the very tedious training system, worked together to completely ruin the game.  TO: Knight of Lodis was great though!
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: goat on November 06, 2007, 09:40:35 pm
I thought it added to the challenge, and I usually kept my team within 1-2 levels of each other so it wasn't that big a deal to me. Man those skeleton units were cool, I liked how they infinitely respawned after dying. My wussy skeleton got me out of some interesting situations.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Nightmare on November 06, 2007, 09:50:32 pm
Man that game is hard!

Yeah man the Genesis one is pretty fucking hard. The SNES one is pretty challenging, but nothing too overwhelming. I prefer the story of the SNES version to the Genesis one, but there are some things that the Genesis version elaborates more on, and I like that.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 07, 2007, 12:42:31 am
Yeah man the Genesis one is pretty fucking hard. The SNES one is pretty challenging, but nothing too overwhelming. I prefer the story of the SNES version to the Genesis one, but there are some things that the Genesis version elaborates more on, and I like that.

Wasnt there an n64 version? I heard it was rare...
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Rone Rivendale on November 07, 2007, 12:42:44 am
Tactics Orge was pretty fricken hard indeed. I never beat that game. When ppl died they REALLY died I.E. they didn't come back.

FFT is 5x better, but TO is good too. ^_^
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 07, 2007, 12:43:36 am
Tactics Orge was pretty fricken hard indeed. I never beat that game. When ppl died they REALLY died I.E. they didn't come back.

FFT is 5x better, but TO is good too. ^_^

FFT is not a sleeper rpg, Its overated really.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Sarah on November 07, 2007, 01:38:24 am
FFT is not a sleeper rpg, Its overated really.
You're overrated.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: SpiralViper on November 07, 2007, 11:29:43 am
Of course he's overrated.

He's the fucking otomon.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Dead Phoenix on November 07, 2007, 11:32:49 am
FFT is not a sleeper rpg, Its overated really.
Didn't FFT start out selling poorly, then a good while later started selling like hot cakes? isn't that exactly what a sleeper rpg is?
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Jester on November 07, 2007, 11:52:01 am
i think thats like.. a waker rpg

i thought a sleeper was one that is still asleep, no one ever bought it despite it being really good
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: c0nfu53d on November 07, 2007, 02:57:31 pm
Twisted Tales Of Spike McFang (SNES)

(http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/38990/ggg.jpg)

(http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/38990/665645.jpg)

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Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Leric on November 07, 2007, 03:42:23 pm
Okage: Shadow King (PS2)
I dunno how well others liked it but it was pretty awesome to me back when it came out.
It was sorta like if Tim Burton made an Earthbound game or something.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Nemorian on November 08, 2007, 09:24:59 pm
Wow, I saw a lot of ones listed that few people I know have even heard of. Guardian's Crusade, Threads of Fate, Azure Dreams... I might have missed a couple though, so if these were mentioned already or aren't considered sleepers, I apologize.

Battle Hunter (PSX) - An odd little game. It's not much to look at, especially when it comes to the "dungeons", but it might be worth a look if you like TBTs. I think it's one of those love it or hate it games. At least of the few I talked to that actually played it, I'm the only person that can find a middle ground to the game.

Top Shop (PSX) - From the same bunch that did Battle Hunter. It's more a board-game type of game... but I just wanted to add it in the one-in-a-million chance someone here might have heard of it. Nobody else I talked to has.

Evolution (Dreamcast) - NOT the Gamecube version. I have that... it may have voice acting unlike the DC version, and combine both 1 and 2, but what they cut out in exchange is overwhelming. It's basically a dungeon-crawler, so if you know what that is, you have an idea of what to expect in terms of gameplay. Still, I thought the story was pretty good from what I saw of it... a bit predictable in some spots though.

Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure (PSX) - Is this a sleeper or a singer? Either way... if you've ever heard of Disgaea, Phantom Brave or Nippon Ichi, you'll have an idea about what this game is like. It has plenty of problems... the dungeons are about as good as the ones in Battle Hunter, and the battles are... well... pathetic. Still, it's pretty original in the fact that characters just start singing throughout the game... hence the title.

I could have sworn I had more to list... darn memory. Oh well.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: maladroithim on November 08, 2007, 09:41:35 pm
i think thats like.. a waker rpg

i thought a sleeper was one that is still asleep, no one ever bought it despite it being really good

Calling something a "sleeper hit" is a reference to its quiet, unexpected success despite a lack of major public mindshare or advertising.  FFT is a great example of a sleeper hit, as would be something like Shadow of the Colossus.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Jester on November 09, 2007, 12:02:11 am
ya... i didnt really think they were talking about sleeper hits as much as just a complete sleeper than never woke up :(

people are saying stuff like jade cocoon and dungeon maker and guardians crusade and i havent even heard of 2/3 in otomon's first post
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Sarah on November 09, 2007, 03:27:38 am
Calling something a "sleeper hit" is a reference to its quiet, unexpected success despite a lack of major public mindshare or advertising.  FFT is a great example of a sleeper hit, as would be something like Shadow of the Colossus.
Uh, SotC is not really a sleeper hit. It was nominated for goty and had tons of advertising online, and was hugely talked about. Same with FFT. As far as your definition of a sleeper hit... well I can't even think of any that fit that description right now.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Shadowtext on November 09, 2007, 04:13:38 am
Uh, SotC is not really a sleeper hit. It was nominated for goty and had tons of advertising online, and was hugely talked about. Same with FFT. As far as your definition of a sleeper hit... well I can't even think of any that fit that description right now.
To give you a better idea of what he means, ask twenty people who identify themselves as gamers if they've played Shadow of the Colossus. And not on the internet.

Then ask them if they've played Halo.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Craze /!\ on November 09, 2007, 10:19:52 am
Shadowtext: It has been my goal in life to never ever drink alcohol, do other drugs, smoke cigar/ettes, or play Halo. So far, I have suceeded.

Also, the first two Harry Potter GBC games are... amazing. Like, seriously. Get an emulator and play them if weren't an obsessed fan when you were younger and bought them already. But man. They're some of the hardest, funniest, darkest and most bestest RPGs I've every played. I mean, come ON. You can attack final bosses with umbrellas! In the second one, you can charm enemies with autographs and gain extra EXP by hosting impromptu lectures mid-battle. Soooooo fuuuuuuuun.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 09, 2007, 07:09:07 pm
Shadowtext: It has been my goal in life to never ever drink alcohol, do other drugs, smoke cigar/ettes, or play Halo. So far, I have suceeded.

Also, the first two Harry Potter GBC games are... amazing. Like, seriously. Get an emulator and play them if weren't an obsessed fan when you were younger and bought them already. But man. They're some of the hardest, funniest, darkest and most bestest RPGs I've every played. I mean, come ON. You can attack final bosses with umbrellas! In the second one, you can charm enemies with autographs and gain extra EXP by hosting impromptu lectures mid-battle. Soooooo fuuuuuuuun.

I would play them but then again I already know how the story ends...Harry Potter IS NOT A SLEEPER RPG as the books are some of the top sellers..so you know hp fans are gonna buy all the games...  :fogethuh:
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Shadowtext on November 09, 2007, 11:35:56 pm
I would play them but then again I already know how the story ends...Harry Potter IS NOT A SLEEPER RPG as the books are some of the top sellers..so you know hp fans are gonna buy all the games...  :fogethuh:
Just because something's popular in one medium doesn't mean it's going to be popular in or take up much mindspace in another. Considering how bad most video game adaptations are, I imagine there are a ton of people who refuse to play games like that just because they're adaptations. So it's easy to imagine fans of RPGs not playing them, and therefore not realizing they're good. I know I haven't.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Sarah on November 09, 2007, 11:38:53 pm
To give you a better idea of what he means, ask twenty people who identify themselves as gamers if they've played Shadow of the Colossus. And not on the internet.

Then ask them if they've played Halo.
Okay so I did this at work today (I work at a school)

I asked 20 kids who said they played video games

13 said yes to having played halo, 19 of them knew what it was
12 said yes to having played SotC, and all 20 of them knew what it was

So...
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Dale Gobbler on November 09, 2007, 11:51:10 pm
So who the hell was the guy that didn't know what Halo was?!

I like to think of Sleeper Rpgs as games for older gen consoles that people now talk about due to downloading them and playing them with an Emu, or games that were released exclusivley in Japan and were only recently translated for Emu. IMO I think Tales of Phantasia was a sleeper hit, the story was great and the combat system was the best, most innovative system of it's time.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 10, 2007, 08:39:19 am
To give you a better idea of what he means, ask twenty people who identify themselves as gamers if they've played Shadow of the Colossus. And not on the internet.

Then ask them if they've played Halo.

Dude "Shadow of the Colossus" is completly overated,dont get me wrong...its a good game but it feels to much of a Zelda rip-off for my taste,still its fun...but not really a full fledged rpg...
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Ohlichris on November 10, 2007, 10:50:16 am
The Soul Blazer trio of games for the SNES: Soul Blazer; Illusion of Gaia/Time; Terranigma. They are all great games. I guess I should also include Granstream Saga since it's made by the same people and is believed to a part of the series.

There's also the Ys series. Not all of the games have been released out of Japan though. Ys I and Ys II are being remade for the DS.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Avatar on November 10, 2007, 10:54:21 am
Dude "Shadow of the Colossus" is completly overated,dont get me wrong...its a good game but it feels to much of a Zelda rip-off for my taste,still its fun...but not really a full fledged rpg...
How does it feel like a Zelda rip-off?
...because you ride a horse?
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Verne on November 10, 2007, 11:02:19 am
The Soul Blazer trio of games for the SNES: Soul Blazer; Illusion of Gaia/Time; Terranigma. They are all great games. I guess I should also include Granstream Saga since it's made by the same people and is believed to a part of the series.

There's also the Ys series. Not all of the games have been released out of Japan though. Ys I and Ys II are being remade for the DS.

I love Terranigma but the prequels I found are horrible shit.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Hundley on November 10, 2007, 11:24:28 am
To give you a better idea of what he means, ask twenty people who identify themselves as gamers if they've played Shadow of the Colossus. And not on the internet.

Then ask them if they've played Halo.
just because a game isn't halo doesn't mean that it's a sleeper. shadow of colossus had quite a bit more buzz than the average game

and if a game has an established franchise name on it, it's automatically NOT a sleeper.

Dude "Shadow of the Colossus" is completly overated,dont get me wrong...its a good game but it feels to much of a Zelda rip-off for my taste,still its fun...but not really a full fledged rpg...
i wish. i would have really liked shadow of colossus if it was a zelda ripoff. it probably wouldn't have been the most boring ps2 game i played.


anyway, THE sleeper rpg is anachronox. the only people i know who have played it were people i instructed to play it.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: DS on November 10, 2007, 11:40:15 am
I love Terranigma but the prequels I found are horrible shit.
but illusion of time/gaia is awesome. best game in the series. :(
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Rye Bread on November 10, 2007, 11:46:05 am
anyway, THE sleeper rpg is anachronox. the only people i know who have played it were people i instructed to play it.

I only played it because you told me to and it's my favorite rpg now.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 11, 2007, 06:15:35 am
I only played it because you told me to and it's my favorite rpg now.

Anachronox is not a sleeper since even mods were made for it..
Anyways playing it now cause u said so.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: lassekongo83 on November 11, 2007, 06:30:04 am
Arcanum.
This.

I love this game. The dialogues and customization are great. The smallest thing you say/choose/do can have a major or minor effect on some quests or the main story. Playing the game as an Half-Ogre with 1 in intelligence is an amazing experience. :grin:
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: hero_bash on November 11, 2007, 06:34:56 am
Wild arms series - not really rare but not extremely popular as it should  be
Legend of legaia(psx)
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Hundley on November 11, 2007, 07:35:57 am
Anachronox is not a sleeper since even mods were made for it..
i can only find evidence of one mod, and i believe that mod was made by 9 of the 15 people who actually played anachronox(and maybe some of those 9 people didn't actually play it??)
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Rye Bread on November 11, 2007, 11:30:08 am
i can only find evidence of one mod, and i believe that mod was made by 9 of the 15 people who actually played anachronox(and maybe some of those 9 people didn't actually play it??)

Yeah, just because someone made a mod for a game doesn't change the fact that hardly anyone has even heard of the game.  I even hang out with a large crowd of gaming addicts, game programmers, etc., and out of like 100 people I know maybe 3 people that have played the game, and that's because I told them to play it.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: DE on November 11, 2007, 01:54:43 pm
I actually bought Anachronox about a year ago and I wish there was a way to get my money back.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: ReloadXPsi on November 11, 2007, 03:33:15 pm
Chocobo Racing (PSX) ; it was a racing game, not RPG--though did have a RPG-esque story, still-- damn worth mentioning. It has the worst graphics you could possibly ask for--- but it's THE most addictive game I've ever played (and still do on occassion)
As a notorious dumb fanboy, I feel inclined to fully agree.

I don't think Star Ocean 2 really counts as it's well known for its bad voice acting and its generally hodgepodge nature, but if I mention it to gamers in person they go all slack-jawed. Frankly I think it's an awesome game beyond the wooden dialogue (yeah, written word can sound wooden if you try hard enough) and dated-even-for-their-time graphics.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: c0nfu53d on November 11, 2007, 04:25:12 pm
I actually bought Anachronox about a year ago and I wish there was a way to get my money back.

Anachronox is great. And while people are talking about PC RPGS both Septerra Core: Legacy Of The Creator and Silver should be mentioned.

Septerra Core: Legacy Of The Creator

(http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/38990/septerra1.jpg)

Silver

(http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/38990/silver002.jpg)
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Sarah on November 11, 2007, 04:28:49 pm
Oh yeah, the Suikoden series. It's got a large fanbase but very few people who aren't fans have played the games (possibly due to the fact that they're almost as rare as NIS games)
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Ralph on November 11, 2007, 04:43:30 pm
Holy shit. Somebody mentioned Silver. Silver is, like, my favorite PC game of all time. Why didn't I take the time to mention it..?
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: DS on November 11, 2007, 04:57:41 pm
Anachronox is great. And while people are talking about PC RPGS both Septerra Core: Legacy Of The Creator and Silver should be mentioned.

Septerra Core: Legacy Of The Creator

Silver

awesome games, both of them. especially septerra core.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Ralph on November 11, 2007, 05:28:22 pm
Hm. Though I DO think that screen of Silver is impossible. You get Vivienne after Sekune, so there should be three characters, right?

Nevermind, I'm talking too much again.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Radical on November 11, 2007, 06:44:32 pm
Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines

Probably one of my favorite RPGs ever, and, considering it was the game that bankrupt Troika, I guess it didn't sell too well. At the time it was released it was buggy/laggy but the patches + fan patches seemed to have fixed that up (I played it... last summer I think... and it was basically bug/lag-free free)

Everything about the game was awesome, the weakest points of it were really the combat (they tried to do a bit too much with it) and that they couldn't use the source engine to its full effect. Along with HL2 it was the first game to use the source engine, and they didn't have the full documentation or something...

It has some pretty decent replay value too, playing as a Malkavian or a Nosferatsu changes the game up a lot. Malkavians have every dialog option changed (they are all insane) randomly hear voices (this scared the shit out of me at like 1 am) and have a bunch of other weird things happen (conversation with a stop sign awesome.) Nosferatsu can't be seen by humans so they have to move through the sewers to get places. Every class has at least one quest line to themselves if I recall correctly.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/vampirethemasqueradebloodlines
http://www.vampirebloodlines.com

(Troika also made Arcanum: Of Steamworks & Magick Obscura and The Temple of Elemental Evil (both of which I think have been mentioned.))
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on November 11, 2007, 09:45:09 pm
Septerra Core: Legacy Of The Creator? Dude I have totally never heard of that game! Good job! I made this thread for posts like that!
Thanks!

@Mayor Boytouch:Tru that.. I had to look all over the city just for a copy of Suikoden V,none of the big stores had it cause it was out of print,I finally found it in some random store run by a guy who cant speak english... (U give meTweny dolla? Yes?)

@Radical:Bloodlines is fun...but you didnt even mention Redemtion which is ever rarer...
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: c0nfu53d on November 12, 2007, 03:19:43 pm
Septerra Core: Legacy Of The Creator? Dude I have totally never heard of that game! Good job! I made this thread for posts like that!
Thanks!



You can get it on ebay fairly cheeply....item number 190172425318.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: maladroithim on November 14, 2007, 09:40:12 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeper_hit

I think you guys are misunderstanding what a "sleeper hit" is.  A sleeper hit can (and absolutely should, as it is a "hit") sell extremely well and be popular.  The whole point is that a sleeper hit exceeds expectations and does much better than it was originally expected to, despite a lack of advertising or major hype.  Shadow of the Colossus IS a great example, because hardcore gamers read all the previews at game sites, but they certainly didn't see any huge standees at their local Wal*Mart.  A sleeper hit, by definition of the term, does not mean the same thing as "obscure", which it seems some of you are mistaking it for.

Anyway

I really need to try Anachronox sometime.  I never played it when it was new because PC gaming is a pain.  I usually stick with old/low tech PC games because I don't like to deal with the hassle.  I forgot about it, and . . .
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on May 10, 2008, 12:05:55 am
Another Sleeper RPG that I enjoyed was Daemon Vector,its plays sorta like Chaos Legion...not quite as fun or long.. but it gets the job done,the story is about the black plague in Europe...in which everyone is dying/turning into zombies and your the MC who goes around kicking ass for some reason I forget and save Europe.

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/www.ixbt.com/news/games/daemon_vector/l/4.jpeg)
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: Ultimaweapon9 on May 10, 2008, 01:31:36 am
I wholeheartedly recommend both PSX Lunar games.
They aren't for everyone, to be sure.  They're both very old-school, even back when they first came out, but the dialogue and characters are simply amazing.  Great villains and great voice-over work.

Also, don't play them if you don't like linear games.  There are VERY few sidequests, but walking around, talking to people after every big event to see what new stuff they have to say is kindo of a sidequest in and of itself.  There is soooo much dialogue (QUALITY dialogue, on top of that) in these games, it's not even funny.

I'd start with the first one.  I think the second one is probably slightly better in most aspects, but the first one has an undeniable charm, plus you need it to understand some of the later plot points in the second one.

Also, the game is actually somewhat challenging.  Definitely not to the point of the SMT series, but it'll keep you on your toes, most likely.  And, for me (who is quickly growing tired of gaming as a whole) these two games I can see myself playing twenty years down the road...They're THAT replayable.

MY UTMOST RECOMMENDATIONS.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: From Jungle on May 10, 2008, 10:11:36 am
Eternal Eyes
(http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/4771/b00005rcq101a2hrsnthobswn6.jpg)



I like the setting and everything of Shadowrun but that game was frustrating. At least give some type of hint about what you're supposed to do or where you're supposed to go.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: watermelon's on May 10, 2008, 10:26:59 am
Man for a cheap RPG Eternal Eyes wasnt bad at all. It got super annoying towards the end but for $10 I consider it pretty decent.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: otomon on May 10, 2008, 02:49:03 pm
Man for a cheap RPG Eternal Eyes wasnt bad at all. It got super annoying towards the end but for $10 I consider it pretty decent.

I agree I actually had tons of fun with that game...I mean the storyline sucked but it was so much fun training your pets in an tbs/rpg game.
And I dig the theme song.
Title: Sleeper Rpgs
Post by: From Jungle on May 10, 2008, 02:56:14 pm
You guys liked it? Hmm...I couldn't tolerate it at all. But I do admit the intro video was pretty cool. Sometimes I pop it in on occasion just to see it.