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General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: otomon on November 03, 2007, 08:04:38 am
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We all live in this planet living day to day without worrying about the future,we are stuck in a cycle of consumption as the world population continues to increase,we got wars going on in some parts of the world,and I ask myself,Wars are horrible..but aren't they necessary? Sure making homes in other planets sounds nice in theory but its really expensive and by the time we successfully terraform another planet,it might already be too late, so like I said are wars the only solution? If we had no wars we would die anyways when the planet`s resources died out,plus on top of the current wars we got all those natural disaster going on that been prophesied by both religious people and scientists.
Is there really nothing to be done? I'm just a simple man who will be nothing more than an electrician or a plumber,am I stuck here living everyday just waiting for someone/something higher than me to come and kill me?
And one last thing,why is reality scarier than fiction? In fiction the bad guys always have a weakness(whether its a vampire or a terrorist),but in reality sometimes they don't...I would rather fight demons in hell than have to kill another human
Meh I know I'm gonna get dissed by alot of you..maybe this is the wrong forum to post in..but..
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You're worrying too much, buster.
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You're worrying too much, buster.
You are rigth,hopefully if there is a nuclear holocaust a bomb will fall in my town which to me will look like huge flash,the last thing I will see and ill be gone forever
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I have some news for you.
You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die.
One day, or the next.
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I have some news for you.
You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die. You are going to die.
One day, or the next.
We are created so that we may spread our genetic code in order to create future generations of our race,if one dies without creating offspring it renders his/her existence meaningless
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We are created so that we may spread our genetic code in order to create future generations of our race,if one dies without creating offspring it renders his/her existence meaningless
What do you mean 'created'?
I'd argue that 'spreading your genetic code' seems pretty meaningless too in the grand scheme of things.
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And what's wrong with our existences not having inherent meaning? FUCK YOU. If I want to eat 1,000,000 waffles in my life and that is my life goal it damn well will be.
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And one last thing,why is reality scarier than fiction? In fiction the bad guys always have a weakness(whether its a vampire or a terrorist),but in reality sometimes they don't...I would rather fight demons in hell than have to kill another human
what are you a hippo?
bad guys in real life have tonnes more weaknesses than vampires, a steak through the heart of a person will kill them too and it'd be much easier to get close
imps in doom took 2 direct shotgun blasts to die, and if you only hit them once they'd be fine
if someone is out to kill you they can kill you fairly easily, is that your point?
don't make enemies and it won't be a problem!
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We are created so that we may spread our genetic code in order to create future generations of our race,if one dies without creating offspring it renders his/her existence meaningless
are you trying to say you aren't getting enough pussy and you are worried that you will die a virgin
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We all live in this planet living day to day without worrying about the future,we are stuck in a cycle of consumption as the world population continues to increase,we got wars going on in some parts of the world,and I ask myself,Wars are horrible..but aren't they necessary? Sure making homes in other planets sounds nice in theory but its really expensive and by the time we successfully terraform another planet,it might already be too late, so like I said are wars the only solution? If we had no wars we would die anyways when the planet`s resources died out,plus on top of the current wars we got all those natural disaster going on that been prophesied by both religious people and scientists.
What exactly is the point you are making here? It's really expensive to terraform to another planets and it might be too late and this is why wars are the only solution... what? How are these related? The only solution to what? And why are wars necessary? They might be (nearly) unavoidable in some cases but necessary? Anyway, I'm really confused as to what you are trying to say here. And this IF THERE WERE NO WARS WE WOULD DIE ANYWAY is a ridiculously dumb thing to say.
And one last thing,why is reality scarier than fiction? In fiction the bad guys always have a weakness(whether its a vampire or a terrorist),but in reality sometimes they don't...
Yes they do. And reality isn't that simple. A BAD GUY, A GOOD GUY, A WEAKNESS. Seriously, no.
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Lol, seems like you finally realized how harsh reality really is, I think that was his main point DS.
There are somethings that can help ease your mind though and cope. There are other things you can do to actually contribute, big or small, it doesn't matter.
Somethings can help you cope with reality is to define yourself... There are many things that can help you define yourself too! Here are some of my suggestions, I don't do everything here but they're said to help, right?
Physical Well-being:
Excercise is one of the most useful ways to stay healthy and get your mind off on how much the world suffers. When you sit there and take in everything too much it really just has you feeling depressed man, I feel ya. Too much of anything isn't good for you.
Excersing can really clear your mind though and with a good nutrious eating habits it really helps ya! Aside from the healthy benefits, it can actually help compose YOU and your identity... Keeps you more resolved too.
Education:
This doesn't just mean specifics like what majors to take or anything. I mean, basically keeping your mind sharp. Being educated and reading up/forming opinions on both your profession and life itself really helps you become more aware of things. I heard some electricians thoughts on some hot issues, and they were fucking great. Keeping your mind sharp by engaging in the understanding of things helps us become better at actually reading and understanding situations more.
You can also engage yourself personally by reading up on some of the issues of the world and trying to form your own opinion - with morals and perspective accounted for (people just don't do this much). What I'm basically saying is don't be a big ignorant biological dope. A lot of us live in a democratic society and voting without little to no thought involved (I saw his picture on me lawn). Although all man made laws and social systems have their flaws, it's what we got to work with.
Religion:
Yeah, go ahead and flame me for this! But a greater purpose in life is really necessary. If you look at life as a perpetual chain of events and human life as just a biological thing (eat, sleep, shit, die, etc)... Then you will really feel helpless as well man, even if your contributing.
I'm not saying to go out there and take in any religion with out thought. Do some good research and you might be suprised at your findings. Choose what best suits you and feel is the most accurate/relates to the most. Some religion core is really great aside from all the shit people slap on them...
If you don't want to go as far as becoming religious. You can at least start off by accepting that there is a greater purpose then just our lives on earth (plus it wouldn't make sense that all these criminals that destroy our world everyday will be getting off scott free).
Contributions:
Small or big contributions to the greater good is always great! Remember, it's these contributions that help us change the world for the better. I guess you can start off by incorporating some good morales into yourself. Also, a good philosphy is to understand what's right and what's wrong, WHILE understanding the people perspective.
Life isn't black or white, it has an enormous amount of shades! I'm sure that if you can compose yourself well... You'll generally make better decisions in life overall. You'll also be more helpful to your society as well.
As for contributions, you can make small or big contributions. You know, homelessness is an issue that's litterly visual to our daily life, but it's sad that a lot of people still don't give a flying fuck. Reach out to the people around you and try and help them in anyways you can. The great thing about our society is that there is litterature on these things too! It would be your job to try and sift threw the bullshit stuff though (keep your mind sharp).
Human nature is really ironic... We say "Oh, I would do X if I saw X". Yet, when that exact scenario happens to people, they do like the complete opposite to what they initially said.
As for bigger contributions, if your serious about it you can go as far as changing your very profession! I think this is a bit drastic, just a small suggestion.
Again, with all the good things you do in your life... Don't forget about yourself. I actually just watched Saw 4 and they were ranting about that throughout the movie, how Ironic!
Do what your capable of doing!
I have some suggestions if your really want me to go into it. I was being quite vague in this topic, sorry.
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imps in doom took 2 direct shotgun blasts to die, and if you only hit them once they'd be fine
I'd much rather discuss different ways of killing Doom enemies than this topic.
In practice, there's nothing to be scared of. While it's true that someday a nuclear war may break out and cause your death, you shouldn't worry about that. Maybe you should listen to the wise words of Bob Dylan (http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/footsteps.html): "And some people thinkin' that the end is close by. 'Stead of learnin' to live they are learning to die."
EDIT: by the way, you're best off just playing Doom instead of worrying about this.
(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/150px-Doom-imp.jpg)
Come on. Shoot it in the face.
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As God, I can say that yes, you are powerless.
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Hmmm, I think I misunderstood some parts in your topic there Ottoman.
I think some of my points are still valid though. I agree with Dada and everyone else on this one.
Were going to die and you're just going to have to accept that as an inevitablility.
Edit:
I'm officially done with long posts.
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I think some of my points are still valid though. I agree with Dada and everyone else on this one.
Right. I'll reiterate for clarity: the song is about people who are "learning to die". In other words, they worry about it even though there's nothing they can do about it. Basically, he's telling the listener to go out and live, because when you do that, you'll be content when you go down into your grave.
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Man has anyone seen the movie The Fountain? Seriously go watch this.
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No, I haven't, so do you care to explain why I should go watch it? (This is not the WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND topic.)
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ITS OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Are we powerless?
yeah
more than you are probably aware of
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Life does seem kind of lame if you think of the grand scope of history and time, it's like our lifespans are a mere blink of an eye.
However, if you think of the existence and influence of a single person, it really is like a butterfly effect. Suppose you went back in time and eradicated a single human being, entire generations of families would cease to exist.
Beyond the idea of passing on genetics, even viewpoints and opinions of the people that once surrounded that person would be altered. Some don't realize it, but we are vastly altering the future by our very existence.
Suppose Hitler was never born, or a few choice events didn't occur in his childhood, or a friend gave him a piece of advice in his early years; maybe the Holocaust would have never happened.
I know it sounds like a bunch of "what ifs", but it's interesting to think about the big picture once in a while instead of one's immediate surroundings.
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And if you ever feel down, just take a look at this informative graphical timeline from the Big Bang to the ultimate end of the universe (http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/94ab5bf5cefb7d32d327c7a332591a48.png).
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Yes, you are.
The issue becomes, does that bother you?
Yeah we're doomed, but why not have some fun in the meanwhile?
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bad guys in real life have tonnes more weaknesses than vampires, a steak through the heart of a person will kill them too and it'd be much easier to get close
All those steaks you are eating with go straight to your heart... (then you'll die of a heart attack).
Also, if my only purpose in life is to spread my genetic code, then I am going to spread it all over the place, if you get my meaning. :fogetnaughty:
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Life has no inherent meaning; death is going to happen; resources dwindle while population rises, and even bloodshed does not slow down the population boom. Yes. You are right. We are powerless. Does that really matter? Sometimes, the only way you can function in this world is by trying to ignore the implications, the bigger picture, and focus solely on the little things that bring us comfort. That is how we live, how we function, and how we find meaning overall. Worry as much as you like, but, inevitably, short-sightedness is the natural mode of thought for human beings.
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Are we powerless?
Not with guns like these, skippy *flex*
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I think things will get worse in no less than 50 years.
Just pray to God you die by then.
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No, I haven't, so do you care to explain why I should go watch it? (This is not the WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND topic.)
It deals with the concept of the inevitability of death and the problems of immortality.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=are+we+powerless%3F&go=Go
looks like youve prove da point....
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No. We are not powerless. We were created in the image of the great creator of the universe and we, like our creator, have the ability to create in our own image. It is only a matter of time before we fulfill the promise made to us by our creator and master all reality.
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I have some suggestions if your really want me to go into it. I was being quite vague in this topic, sorry.
Wow I really didn't expect anyone to take me seriously... I just finished reading though your whole post...and yes I would like some suggestions..that is if you would like to contribute to society by talking to a random lost soul whom you me on the internet...which may result in you saving a life....
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We all live in this planet living day to day without worrying about the future,we are stuck in a cycle of consumption as the world population continues to increase,we got wars going on in some parts of the world,and I ask myself,Wars are horrible..but aren't they necessary? Sure making homes in other planets sounds nice in theory but its really expensive and by the time we successfully terraform another planet,it might already be too late, so like I said are wars the only solution? If we had no wars we would die anyways when the planet`s resources died out,plus on top of the current wars we got all those natural disaster going on that been prophesied by both religious people and scientists.
Is there really nothing to be done? I'm just a simple man who will be nothing more than an electrician or a plumber,am I stuck here living everyday just waiting for someone/something higher than me to come and kill me?
And one last thing,why is reality scarier than fiction? In fiction the bad guys always have a weakness(whether its a vampire or a terrorist),but in reality sometimes they don't...I would rather fight demons in hell than have to kill another human
Meh I know I'm gonna get dissed by alot of you..maybe this is the wrong forum to post in..but..
Hahahahahahah this is awesome. War as the way you represent it (getting rid of humans faster?) is completely unnecessary, in fact the notion of a "just" war itself has been hotly debated over the years. The last "just" war that could have occurred would have been World War II in which a commonly accepted "good" conflicted with a commonly accepted "evil."
The lack of resources won't lead to our destruction for some amount of time, and by then alternate solutions will have opened up. Where I live right now is actually the epicenter of alternative resource development in the world and I can say with some certainty (my dad works for one of these companies) that the energy crisis will be averted well before the mutual destruction of the human race. If you are talking about water, we have already established the process of desalination and thus we can take it from seas.
The "prophesied" natural disasters are being overly exaggerated here as well. Sure the Tsunami and Hurricane Katrina were horrible things, but they absolutely did not lead to the mutually ensured extermination of the human race. Overpopulation really isn't that big of a concern, increased education and family planning in overpopulated areas can easily check this back.
In fact I'd argue that your fear of basically everything creates a self-fulfilling prophecy in which the mutually ensured destruction of humanity happens. If everyone lives in a constant state of fear is produces paralysis means that nothing will ever get done to start solving these problems. You're argument that "nothing can be done" is UNIQUELY the reason why these problems are in existence and a threat right now, and the entire apathetic mindset is counterproductive to society as a whole if we are to in fact solve for these problems.
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In fact I'd argue that your fear of basically everything creates a self-fulfilling prophecy in which the mutually ensured destruction of humanity happens. If everyone lives in a constant state of fear is produces paralysis means that nothing will ever get done to start solving these problems. You're argument that "nothing can be done" is UNIQUELY the reason why these problems are in existence and a threat right now, and the entire apathetic mindset is counterproductive to society as a whole if we are to in fact solve for these problems.
Here is the reason why I made this topic..I was sitting there trying to sleep,when I started thinking about Hitler,most of the time when Im chilling with friends and such,I joke around and do the German voice and Nazi sign,we laugh maybe due to the fact that we always think "Why do I care if someone died 50 years previous?",but anyways I was in bed thinking...wow what if someone came into my house started grabbing my family and forced me to go with them to work? then what if they put me in a gas chamber...for a second I almost felt what it would have felt like had it actually happened to me...so I trying to calm down myself by thinking "Meh thats never going to happen to me.." but then like I said before,we got wars all over the world,and USA is only trying to stop the one in Afghanistan,is it because its the biggest war rigth now? I dont know...im not an expert in those things,but while USA spends years in Afghanistan "checking" for weapons of mass destruction while there are people dying in other places...
Anyways as a final statement.. I started thinking ..what if they suddenly said that people were trying to take over the country(I live in Canada btw)would I move somewhere? What could I do?
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Here is the reason why I made this topic..I was sitting there trying to sleep,when I started thinking about Hitler,most of the time when Im chilling with friends and such,I joke around and do the German voice and Nazi sign,we laugh maybe due to the fact that we always think "Why do I care if someone died 50 years previous?",but anyways I was in bed thinking...wow what if someone came into my house started grabbing my family and forced me to go with them to work? then what if they put me in a gas chamber...for a second I almost felt what it would have felt like had it actually happened to me...so I trying to calm down myself by thinking "Meh thats never going to happen to me.." but then like I said before,we got wars all over the world,and USA is only trying to stop the one in Afghanistan,is it because its the biggest war rigth now? I dont know...im not an expert in those things,but while USA spends years in Afghanistan "checking" for weapons of mass destruction while there are people dying in other places...
Anyways as a final statement.. I started thinking ..what if they suddenly said that people were trying to take over the country(I live in Canada btw)would I move somewhere? What could I do?
Make a stand? Or try to contribute? Who cares if you fail? At least you tried. It's not what you do but why you do it.
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Here is the reason why I made this topic..I was sitting there trying to sleep,when I started thinking about Hitler,most of the time when Im chilling with friends and such,I joke around and do the German voice and Nazi sign,we laugh maybe due to the fact that we always think "Why do I care if someone died 50 years previous?",but anyways I was in bed thinking...wow what if someone came into my house started grabbing my family and forced me to go with them to work? then what if they put me in a gas chamber...for a second I almost felt what it would have felt like had it actually happened to me...so I trying to calm down myself by thinking "Meh thats never going to happen to me.." but then like I said before,we got wars all over the world,and USA is only trying to stop the one in Afghanistan,is it because its the biggest war rigth now? I dont know...im not an expert in those things,but while USA spends years in Afghanistan "checking" for weapons of mass destruction while there are people dying in other places...
Anyways as a final statement.. I started thinking ..what if they suddenly said that people were trying to take over the country(I live in Canada btw)would I move somewhere? What could I do?
If you're afraid of losing your life then you have already lost. People put up with the amount of tyranny they will tolerate, and then when they realize they have nothing to lose with rise up against their oppressors. Yes, there are people actively trying to establish a global police state, and no there is no place to run. You can raise your voice now, and try to expose and overthrow our enemies. Or we will have to raise arms against them... and when it gets to that point we will not have anything to lose. You've got to decide right now if you've got power of not.
Also, DO NOT drink fluoridated water.
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Im pretty sure canada is the one occupying afghanistan right now, and im pretty sure your thinking of iraq, anyways just try to live your life and not worry so much; that being said if you care enough try to change it in politics, if not stop bitching. pretty much what im saying is shit or get off the pot.
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If you're afraid of losing your life then you have already lost. People put up with the amount of tyranny they will tolerate, and then when they realize they have nothing to lose with rise up against their oppressors. Yes, there are people actively trying to establish a global police state, and no there is no place to run. You can raise your voice now, and try to expose and overthrow our enemies. Or we will have to raise arms against them... and when it gets to that point we will not have anything to lose. You've got to decide right now if you've got power of not.
This is a pretty popular theory argument among conspiracy theorists but doesn't hold much water in the sphere of the real world and policymaking. I assume you are talking about the US creating this global policing state, so that's what I will base my arguments off of but they can easily apply to other countries.
1. This theory completely assumes the existance of the concept of hegemony and that such a state (hegemon of the world) would actually be obtainable.
2. The theory assumes that the United States is the hegemon of the world.
3. It also doesn't account for the fact that in the theoretical world of hegemony that soft power (eg benevolent relationships with the other nations) is just as key as military hard power. To establish a position of hegemony would mean that the country would need to have good relations with the other nations as well as military power, neither of these can create hegemony alone. This completely takes out the fact of a "global policing state" as such a state that is being described is being achieved through the means of hard power alone.
4. Survival of the state is what justifies tyranny, not hegemony. Nations will do everything and anything they can to ensure the survival of their nation. In a means to "protect the Fatherland" dictators will justify each and every form of dehuminization, tyranny, and rights violations. So in fact it will not be the hegemon specifically being the tyrant, it will be the repressed states. To the point where survival of the nation-state is of upmost importance to the government they will justify every atrocity known to man under the guise of surviving. It is the oppressee, not the oppressor, that justifies tyranny.
Also, DO NOT drink fluoridated water.
lol.
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Im pretty sure canada is the one occupying afghanistan right now, and im pretty sure your thinking of iraq, anyways just try to live your life and not worry so much; that being said if you care enough try to change it in politics, if not stop bitching. pretty much what im saying is shit or get off the pot.
Your telling me to not to worry so much yet you are telling me to "get off" one of the few things that calms me down? This is rather contradicting...
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otomon you are so silly
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otomon you are so silly
ASL?
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Man, you're the worst member ever.
I can't remember the last time I was so irritated by a new member.
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Man, you're the worst member ever.
I can't remember the last time I was so irritated by a new member.
EVER?
Really... ever?
Come on, be reasonable.
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woah otomon don't make me announce that here... keep it to PMs...
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Man, you're the worst member ever.
I can't remember the last time I was so irritated by a new member.
See thats the problem man..I'm not trying to create foes here in fact I want to be friends with all of you people...but.. your ideas do not match with mine creating conflict,I understand if you hate me just cause I irritated you.. I don't know how I did but the fact is I did..oh well...
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It's probably your font. You should change it to Comic Sans MS or Webdings.
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This is a pretty popular theory argument among conspiracy theorists but doesn't hold much water in the sphere of the real world and policymaking. I assume you are talking about the US creating this global policing state, so that's what I will base my arguments off of but they can easily apply to other countries.
1. This theory completely assumes the existance of the concept of hegemony and that such a state (hegemon of the world) would actually be obtainable.
2. The theory assumes that the United States is the hegemon of the world.
3. It also doesn't account for the fact that in the theoretical world of hegemony that soft power (eg benevolent relationships with the other nations) is just as key as military hard power. To establish a position of hegemony would mean that the country would need to have good relations with the other nations as well as military power, neither of these can create hegemony alone. This completely takes out the fact of a "global policing state" as such a state that is being described is being achieved through the means of hard power alone.
4. Survival of the state is what justifies tyranny, not hegemony. Nations will do everything and anything they can to ensure the survival of their nation. In a means to "protect the Fatherland" dictators will justify each and every form of dehuminization, tyranny, and rights violations. So in fact it will not be the hegemon specifically being the tyrant, it will be the repressed states. To the point where survival of the nation-state is of upmost importance to the government they will justify every atrocity known to man under the guise of surviving. It is the oppressee, not the oppressor, that justifies tyranny.
lol.
You're making a lot of assumptions without knowing my full position on the subject.
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You're making a lot of assumptions without knowing my full position on the subject.
I don't see how its my fault that you aren't fully articulating your position.
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It's probably your font. You should change it to Comic Sans MS or Webdings.
Oh yeah I should change my font just to make one guy happy?oh and why don't I stop wearing pants to make other people happy? it will never end!
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I was just rolling by and I have to comment; you're quite the character, otomon, holy shit.
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Let us all listen to "Powerless" by Nelly Furtado.
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Let us all listen to "Powerless" by Nelly Furtado.
Nooo! She is rather fugly.
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I concur!
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b291/ichigofrost/0506_nelly_furtado_b.jpg)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b291/ichigofrost/nelly.jpg)
Man, what a fugly bitch!
Although the bangs she's was sporting a while back were pretty awful.
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i'm going to go beat off to Nelly Furtado now
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in the grand scheme of things we are like goats being raped by frenchmen
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I concur!
Man, what a fugly bitch!
Although the bangs she's was sporting a while back were pretty awful.
You find that attractive? Well I guess different cultures have different tastes...
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You're all idiots.
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Looks like otomon claims another topic.