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Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on November 10, 2007, 12:07:59 am


This guy is pretty damn awesome (apart from the whole immorality of theft). It's as if his story came straight from a movie, it's pretty interesting.  Especially how easy he (or the article) makes it seem it is to actually perform something like this and steal a shitload of cash -- becuase he sure did it a lot.
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: Lars on November 10, 2007, 12:40:08 am
Mr. Oliphant... Crown... The Koechert Pearl Diamond... The Boss, who also funds terrorism...

Are you sure this shit is real?
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: Ratt on November 10, 2007, 12:48:31 am
Catch Me If You Can part 2
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: Cheshire Cat on November 10, 2007, 12:52:39 am
Absolutely fantastic.

We need more people like this. Criminal's are perfectly acceptable when they're class at it.
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on November 10, 2007, 01:15:48 am
Ah, forgot to paste the link.

Source: http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=2724909f-c79b-4c44-8c8a-a7da43eec1b1&k=19782
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: something bizarre and impractical on November 10, 2007, 01:25:44 am
man Canada has a website?

wait.... Canada has crime?
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: helter skelter on November 10, 2007, 10:23:11 am
Ahh, that sounds so cool. Sophisticated crime is fun to read about!
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: Kaempfer on November 10, 2007, 04:33:13 pm
@Lars: The "Crown" is the government employed prosecution. Every lawyer who works for the federal (or even provincial) government directly is called a "crown" attorney.
Absolutely fantastic.

We need more people like this. Criminal's are perfectly acceptable when they're class at it.

Ugh, fuck that. Just because he has night vision and a cool suit doesn't mean he isn't a dickface. All crime, and especially large scale crime, has a serious impact on the community in which it was committed. It's fun to read about, but he's still breaking the law. Every successful crime means tightened security at banks and shit, which means that there is more red tape for EVERY OTHER PERSON to cut through before they get want they want. "Yeah but he is showing them how they can be breached!" Yeah, great, except he already did it and if he hadn't it wouldn't have been a problem until the next mastermind came along and "showed them how to stop it in the future!", which again wouldn't be a problem if he didn't do it, et cetera ad infinitum. The guy's boss was funding terrorism with the money he stole, for Christ's sake, how is that not bad, ever?

It's fun to read about because it's so ridiculous, but don't say we need "more people like this" (because that's stupid).
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: Mama Luigi on November 11, 2007, 02:09:18 am
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The 35-year-old was sentenced to eight years in prison under an agreement between Crown and defence lawyers. He could have faced a maximum sentence of 164 years in jail.
God...
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: Cheesy Doritos on November 11, 2007, 03:27:34 am
Kaempfer I think that was sarcasm? I'm not sure though!

I know theft is wrong and all but this sounds like Ocean's 14. The government would do well to hire him for work on our side, as he's obviously some sort of prodigy/genius.
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: Kaempfer on November 11, 2007, 04:00:55 am
Kaempfer I think that was sarcasm? I'm not sure though!

It wasn't sarcasm, I don't like people idolizing criminals, is all. It was the whole "more like this" er cetera.

I guess it makes sense to hire him or something, but they shouldn't pay him "a million dollars a year" or whatever. Rewarding criminals for being good at breaking the law is pretty stupid, wouldn't you agree? Give him a regular job if you want, I doubt he'll be able to resist committing high-profile crimes for long!
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: Cheesy Doritos on November 11, 2007, 04:09:02 am
I meant it seemed like Cheshire cat was being sarcastic. I dunno...

Yeah, I agree on that, but since his plans are so complex he probably pulls them off not as much for the money but for the thrill, the execution, etc.
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: Standard Toaster on November 11, 2007, 04:26:06 am
I guess it makes sense to hire him or something, but they shouldn't pay him "a million dollars a year" or whatever. Rewarding criminals for being good at breaking the law is pretty stupid, wouldn't you agree? Give him a regular job if you want, I doubt he'll be able to resist committing high-profile crimes for long!
Umm not really, in fact it would be REALLY SMART because not only would you have an excellent criminal out of the way but he is actually helping make security much better. Privateers were basically pirates hired by the government, a lot of people building firewalls were once hackers. Paying people who are talented in their respective fields is a pretty common thing.
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on November 11, 2007, 04:57:44 am
Every successful crime means tightened security at banks and shit, which means that there is more red tape for EVERY OTHER PERSON to cut through before they get want they want. "Yeah but he is showing them how they can be breached!" Yeah, great, except he already did it and if he hadn't it wouldn't have been a problem until the next mastermind came along and "showed them how to stop it in the future!", which again wouldn't be a problem if he didn't do it, et cetera ad infinitum.

Sorry but this is pretty dumb. If everything went your way, no one would commit a crime in the first place and there would be no need for security, but hey, guess what, we don't live in a world like that, and we need to seal up any easily breached areas in security. (Unless you were setting that up as purely hypothetical?)
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: Parker on November 11, 2007, 07:33:02 am
Catch Me If You Can part 2
That's what I was thinking. This is freaking AWESOME. Incredible, really.
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on November 11, 2007, 11:19:40 am
Sorry but this is pretty dumb. If everything went your way, no one would commit a crime in the first place and there would be no need for security, but hey, guess what, we don't live in a world like that, and we need to seal up any easily breached areas in security. (Unless you were setting that up as purely hypothetical?)

you can't justify breaking a security measure to steal etc with "well i'm doing it good, they wouldn't know about this weakness if i didn't do it," that's just looking on the bright side.

theives aren't 'good' because they force developments in security systems as the security systems are designed to keep theives out!

if you see a house unlocked and vacant you're not justified in robbing the place to teach the owners a lesson
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: Cheshire Cat on November 11, 2007, 11:53:18 am
Thanks for springing to my defense, but i wouldn't say sarcastic.

Exageration maybe. Obviously i don't hold with this kind of thing, but you cant deny it makes a welcome change from '3 ladz hav put a digger thru the side of a garage and nicked all da snickers'. It's the style and the far fetched ways of his crimes that make it so thrilling to read about, it's the stuff of fiction.

Whilst i don't encourage it, i wont deny that it makes a class read.
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: kentona on November 11, 2007, 12:56:47 pm
I like how a Wal-Mart employee foiled his racket.
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on November 11, 2007, 04:58:00 pm
you can't justify breaking a security measure to steal etc with "well i'm doing it good, they wouldn't know about this weakness if i didn't do it," that's just looking on the bright side.

theives aren't 'good' because they force developments in security systems as the security systems are designed to keep theives out!

if you see a house unlocked and vacant you're not justified in robbing the place to teach the owners a lesson

I wasn't JUSTIFYING it, in fact, never did I say it was good (just that it was incredibly cool/creative, but completely immoral). And what I'm saying is that even though it isn't RIGHT to go into that unlocked house, and wouldn't do it personally, these people DO exist regardless, and you can't change that so it's always good to learn from our mistakes and create better security measures to prevent it from the future.  By creating tougher security measures you're pretty much limiting the amount of people that do get through as they wouldn't be able to think of a more advanced way to break through, and continuously raising the bar.
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: Pepoke on November 11, 2007, 08:08:58 pm
Well, Im pretty sure most people are complementing his skill rather than the crime, which is what Im going to do.

This was amazing. I wish I had mad skillz like him.

But yeah he used them for crime so yeah bad no no.
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: Ihateyou on November 11, 2007, 10:32:07 pm
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'3 ladz hav put a digger thru the side of a garage and nicked all da snickers'
No matter what you've heard, or where you heard it, this is not the reason for me vanishing from GW and I've never been arrested.
I do like snickers though :]

I see what you guys mean about his methods being cool and movie like and those ranting about how it's not cool obviously need to go watch Oceans 11, 12, 13 and the unofficial trailer for Oceans 4 (from How it Should have Ended on Youtube).
The fact that he stole things isn't cool, but the way he did it is much more interesting than some random guys in ski masks raiding a shop with a couple of shotguns.
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: Kaempfer on November 12, 2007, 05:35:45 am
'3 ladz hav put a digger thru the side of a garage and nicked all da snickers'.

Hahahahaha. I would be in favour of having more people rob banks (high-profile like without being being injured) than people murdering people, that's for sure. A reshuffle of the criminal pool, maybe?

@FlowerPower: It took a fucking GENIUS to get by the security measures that are in place already. The only thing an occasional super-criminal does is break the law (he doesn't help us, that is), and we can hope that they don't come along so often that we need to set up incredibly ridiculous security measures to stop them (or we can hope they don't come along at all, they aren't common criminals).
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: Ragnar on November 12, 2007, 08:50:17 pm
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His long string of covert operations, which have netted millions over the years, were foiled by a Wal-Mart employee in Winnipeg who noted two suspicious vehicles in the area before the CIBC bank heist in 2004.

Don't mess with Venetian Snares
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: Fahrenheit Jr, Mr on November 12, 2007, 10:11:47 pm
This is entertaining. Maybe it does mean a whole lot of shit for some community but I'm not that community so I don't mind laughing at it.

"Queens Bench Associate Chief Justice Jeffrey Oliphant"
That is gold
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: Xeno|Soft on November 14, 2007, 02:52:26 am
Hahahahaha. I would be in favour of having more people rob banks (high-profile like without being being injured) than people murdering people, that's for sure. A reshuffle of the criminal pool, maybe?

@FlowerPower: It took a fucking GENIUS to get by the security measures that are in place already. The only thing an occasional super-criminal does is break the law (he doesn't help us, that is), and we can hope that they don't come along so often that we need to set up incredibly ridiculous security measures to stop them (or we can hope they don't come along at all, they aren't common criminals).


It is only logical to stop a super-criminal by using a super-criminal...and if "hope" is one of our main security measurments againts "super-criminals" then I think we need something new =3, You do relise that a lot of the biggest criminals are discovered by mistake or after there era is over and they feel like bragging or they died.

I remember this one drug dealer who couldn't count, but ran drugs in NY, lived in the suburbs for most of his life, you would think he was an average dude too, how did they catch him? His wife bought him a fancy coat and he wore to a boxing match and the FBI said "Who is that guy in that fancy coat who sitting in better seats then the mob!?" and then they did a backround check on him. This is why the FBI uses informants (who are criminals majority of the time!)
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on November 14, 2007, 05:07:49 am
I remember this one drug dealer who couldn't count, but ran drugs in NY, lived in the suburbs for most of his life, you would think he was an average dude too, how did they catch him? His wife bought him a fancy coat and he wore to a boxing match and the FBI said "Who is that guy in that fancy coat who sitting in better seats then the mob!?" and then they did a backround check on him. This is why the FBI uses informants (who are criminals majority of the time!)

You mean you just watched American Gangster? :P
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: RPGer on November 14, 2007, 02:41:38 pm
I guess it makes sense to hire him or something, but they shouldn't pay him "a million dollars a year" or whatever. Rewarding criminals for being good at breaking the law is pretty stupid, wouldn't you agree? Give him a regular job if you want, I doubt he'll be able to resist committing high-profile crimes for long!

Sicne when is committing crime an addiction?

Must... rob... Volvo...
Title: Canadian robber made theft art
Post by: bort on November 14, 2007, 05:03:15 pm
WHO ARE THEY TO DECIDE WHAT IS AND IS NOT ART