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Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: local_dunce on November 18, 2007, 03:08:05 pm
This is almost a nightmare for me. I am a pretty big fan of the Alice in Wonderland Book and yeah, I even liked the Disney cartoon version, but now NEWS IS ABOUT that Tim Burton is going to be directing Alice in Wonderland 3D that will take a Beowulf approach to live action/special fx shit. I don't really know what to say.

Here is my source: Total Film (http://www.totalfilm.com/movie_news/tim_burtons_off_to_wonderland?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=TotalFilm-Standard-RSS)

and here is the complete article:


I didn't watch Nightmare before Christmas 3D because I didn't really like the orignal, but why do people want to re-hash things like this. He's bound to turn it into some goth-fest like that American McGee bullshit and it will end up being a shitty movie pimped out by 3D effects and everyone will call Tim Burton a genius because he is a quite goth guy who makes DARK DEEP MOVIES.

Leave Alice in Wonderland alone :(
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Vellfire on November 18, 2007, 03:26:28 pm
Goddammit, Tim Burton.  Why don't you ruin your own shit and leave other people's alone?
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: EvilDemonCreature on November 18, 2007, 05:27:57 pm
Sigh...

That's all I have to say.
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Grindie on November 18, 2007, 07:14:37 pm
I admit, Tim Burton's recent movies have been piss (yes, even Corpse Bride), but he does have a style that would suit this. I look foerward to seeing it.
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Casey and His Brother on November 18, 2007, 07:54:02 pm
I've hated nearly all of Burton's work ever since Hot Topic first opened but this is just too much. Lewis Carroll's work is one of the last untouched areas of moody storytelling that Burton has yet to defile.

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I didn't watch Nightmare before Christmas 3D because I didn't really like the orignal, but why do people want to re-hash things like this. He's bound to turn it into some goth-fest like that American McGee bullshit and it will end up being a shitty movie pimped out by 3D effects and everyone will call Tim Burton a genius because he is a quite goth guy who makes DARK DEEP MOVIES.

Leave Alice in Wonderland alone :(​
This sums it up for me!
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Jester on November 18, 2007, 07:57:35 pm
Uh, 3D? I think I missed the re-release of Nightmare, what's that about?
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Grindie on November 18, 2007, 08:12:34 pm
I've hated nearly all of Burton's work ever since Hot Topic first opened but this is just too much. Lewis Carroll's work is one of the last untouched areas of moody storytelling that Burton has yet to defile.

Ow, you're one of THOSE people! The people that think that when someone adapts a book into a movie, all traces of the book are destroyed. Well, I'm here to tell you the good news, sonny! You're completey wrong! The book will still exist! You can still read it!

Feel better?
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: local_dunce on November 18, 2007, 08:20:28 pm
Uh, 3D? I think I missed the re-release of Nightmare, what's that about?

It was re-released in 3D.

http://adisney.go.com/disneypictures/nightmare/index.html
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: crone_lover720 on November 18, 2007, 08:43:29 pm
seems like a good fit imo.

if someone doesn't see a dark side to Alice in Wonderland, do they really know anything about the story at all. but it is true that a lot of burton's recent stuff has been shit, and if charlie and the chocolate factory is any indication, this won't be that great either. chocolate factory was alright for what it was and supposedly closer to the book, but the first movie is still so much better.


Unlike Charlie and the Chocolate Factory though, Alice in Wonderland has been put to film many, many times (http://imdb.com/find?s=all&q=alice+in+wonderland&x=0&y=0).  (http://imdb.com/title/tt0294084/) I don't see this upcoming incarnation ruining or displacing "the original" to any extent. I think it'll be an interesting take on the story, and actually I'm kind of looking forward to it! hot topic and mall goths etc are disgusting and unfortunate but I'm not going to let that shit determine my movie taste
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: local_dunce on November 18, 2007, 08:47:30 pm
There's a difference between seeing a dark side and complaining about Tim Burton's gothic take on everything in the world. There is a difference between seeing a dark side and pulling that American McGee shit that American McGee did.
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Standard Toaster on November 18, 2007, 08:53:32 pm
I think this is actually one of the things Burton is more suited to do. Alice in Wonderland was a pretty macabre story to begin with (bound to happen when you are writing on opium) and I think a lot of people are just hating on him because of his pseudo-popularity. Nerdo even said that he only hated Burton AFTER Hot Topic opened. Seriously there is almost no credential to Burton-hating besides like "lol goths are shit."

I want to see what he does with the Cheshire Cat and/or the Mad Hatter.
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Jester on November 18, 2007, 08:53:51 pm
hey man i liked alice, it was a fun game to play and an interesting direction to take through the looking glass in

i mean yeah mcgee is an egotistical idiot and i hate him but the game was cool

but yeah on topic i dont see the big deal. alice in wonderland has been made into a film about 6000 times. burton's will just be another one on the pile that i'll probably never see.
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Shinan on November 18, 2007, 08:54:51 pm
Though looking, especially at a story like Big Fish (a recen Burton favorite of mine) the style that was made in would probably be pretty good for an Alice movie. What I'm not too sure about is the 3d style. I haven't seen Beowulf yet but the trailers don't impress me one bit, they just look too fake. It's not as stylish as cartoonish 3d and it's not as good as real life combined with cgi elements.

If they're going the realistic approach I'm kinda worried about how it will look. Especially since it's such a fantastical story. I hope they do something interesting though, perhaps combining the elements to make it really nice and lovely. A motion-capture 3d movie with the colour scheme of the old Disney Alice and the weirdness of Burton could be pretty interesting.
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Standard Toaster on November 18, 2007, 08:59:47 pm
If they're going the realistic approach I'm kinda worried about how it will look. Especially since it's such a fantastical story. I hope they do something interesting though, perhaps combining the elements to make it really nice and lovely. A motion-capture 3d movie with the colour scheme of the old Disney Alice and the weirdness of Burton could be pretty interesting.
I agree. I think a more classical Burton style (eg Night Before Christmas claymation stuff) would be much better suited for the film than live action. Alice in Wonderland has never really come across as anything that could be pulled off well with real people, but I guess we will see!
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: crone_lover720 on November 18, 2007, 09:11:08 pm
I don't see why it's a problem that a lot of Burton's work has heavy gothic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_fiction) influence. like I said, it's a pretty good fit in this case? actually I can't think of any Burton film adaptation that innacurately uses gothic themes.

tbh I find it pretty gross how widely such a small part of popular culture has defined people's tastes.
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: local_dunce on November 18, 2007, 09:25:41 pm
I actually think it is a pretty bad fit. But that's just a case of personal preference before you pull out the "You just don't understand the book" routine, It is my favourite book, I've read it 16+ times and I studied it for nearly a full year in college. It means a lot to me and although yeah the film has been made already a shitload of times and they were all pretty shit, this is something that is actually pretty personal to me and it upsets me when people want to take their own creative license on something that I have such a vivid image of.

So aside from the fact the film has been made badly before, it's going to upset me again when it's made again and someone pulls the whole YEAH ALICE IN WONDERLAND IS A GOTHIC STORY IT HAS DEEP DARK SUBPLOTS THAT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT BUT I UNDERSTAND. I would personally prefer it if everyone just left it alone.
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: ImmortalDreamer on November 18, 2007, 09:44:47 pm
Meh, I like Tim Burton's movies and I liked American Mcgee's version of Alice (which btw, I heard he got rights to make a movie on too). So this sounds like a good thing from my standpoint.
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Shadowtext on November 18, 2007, 09:54:51 pm
Isn't the book public domain by now? At this point, whether it's your favorite book or not, you've really got no reason to complain about adaptations being made. Let people take the interpretations they want. The audience's interpretation is more important than the writer's to begin with.

It'd be like complaining about Wicked because it interpreted the Wizard of Oz all wrong. Who cares? That's what derivative works are supposed to do. We've already seen/read Carrol's interpretation. Let Burton have his.
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Casey and His Brother on November 18, 2007, 10:05:24 pm
tim burton would make a suitable mad hatter imo
(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/397/madhattorpjc6.jpg)
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: CorporateGreed on November 18, 2007, 10:21:56 pm
Tim burton ain't McGee.

I'm looking forward to this. I liked all Alice in wonderland adaptions so far, and i like where phantasmagoria
is going, so I'll be looking forward to this. I'm not exactly a big fan of Burton's, but I appreciate what he does.

I'll watch this anyway.
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on November 19, 2007, 07:46:14 am
Seriously there is almost no credential to Burton-hating besides like "lol goths are shit."

What about "lol faux his faux goth style is shit"? You know... like in Batman and Robin?
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Shinan on November 19, 2007, 09:54:32 am
What about "lol faux his faux goth style is shit"? You know... like in Batman and Robin?
Batman & Robin? You need to check your facts a bit :)
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on November 19, 2007, 10:04:31 am
Wasn't he the lead designer?
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Roman on November 19, 2007, 10:17:27 am
Seriously there is almost no credential to Burton-hating besides like "lol goths are shit."

Well aside from the fact that he is generally style over substance and that he panders to a certain demographic and that he gets a lot more credit than he deserves, yeah, you're right.

That's not to say that I dislike Burton, though.  He's just... not that great!
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: #1 Vodka fan on November 19, 2007, 11:37:09 am
Wasn't he the lead designer?

I think you are thinking of batman returns.


which was cool in my opinion.
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Vellfire on November 19, 2007, 01:18:08 pm
Here's a credential to Burton-hating:




I can't stand his movies!
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Ragnar on November 19, 2007, 05:49:24 pm
JPC should direct this

Also Jan Svankmayer (sp?)'s version looks like the ultimate adaptation of Alice in Wonderland. And it's totally dark without being gothic

Edit: Surprised nobody mentioned it - if you guys think a dark version of Alice in Wonderland is still called for, I think Pan's Labyrinth guy would make pretty much the greatest version ever

Also the problem is that Tim Burton's movies are very big and elaborate and theatrical - but Alice in Wonderland calls for MINDFUCK
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Stranglehanz on November 19, 2007, 06:03:04 pm
Yeah I would like the darker version of Alice to be told, Tim Burton could do a good job of telling it too.
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Ragnar on November 19, 2007, 06:06:55 pm
Seriously guys

http://www.awn.com/heaven_and_hell/svank/svank2.htm
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Shinan on November 19, 2007, 06:15:59 pm
Don't forget that this is Disney producing and that the script was penned by the same who did Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King. Burton isn't everything to this film. I have no doubt that this will be somewhat dark but it probably won't be a whole lot darker than say Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: crone_lover720 on November 19, 2007, 08:43:00 pm
Seriously guys

http://www.awn.com/heaven_and_hell/svank/svank2.htm
still too gothic go tell svank forkbeard there to go back to hot topic where he belongs.

really though, the opening to the I'M LATE scene they've got posted on the bottom left looks pretty slick

Quote from: below somewhere
ugh alice in wonderland had a dark side but burton will likely oversaturate it with his black black goth...."style"
see, burton hating is the new burton loving
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Standard Toaster on November 19, 2007, 09:14:22 pm
Also the problem is that Tim Burton's movies are very big and elaborate and theatrical - but Alice in Wonderland calls for MINDFUCK
Alice in Wonderland in general has always struck me as really theatrical/vaudeville-ian. I mean its a mindfuck too but yea how is say the court or the Mad Hatter's party AREN'T theatrical?
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: Ragnar on November 20, 2007, 12:24:39 am
Well I'm a jerk because I haven't really read the book
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: XxSylverxX on November 20, 2007, 02:57:26 am
ugh alice in wonderland had a dark side but burton will likely oversaturate it with his black black goth...."style"
Title: [News] Tim Burton set to direct Alice in Wonderland 3D
Post by: EvilDemonCreature on November 20, 2007, 10:00:43 pm
Well I'm a jerk because I haven't really read the book

Yeah, the more I think about this Tim Burton adaptation, the more I want to just read the book.

So it's a good thing in that respect if there are other people like me.

Really the only objectivley bad thing I can see coming from this movie is that it'll make the Tim Burton fans that much worse, and who gives a shit about Tim Burton fans?