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General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: Sky_Hero on November 24, 2007, 10:53:42 pm
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This has been, and will always be my argument for years to come. If After Life is not real, then what is the current explanation for ghosts. Some scientists claim it's dust molecules refracting in light or some bullcrap like that. But what explains the random movement of objects? We've got a haunted dorm near by. Lights randomly turn on, and objects move. So, if there really is no After Life, then what are these strange poltergeists? Is there a scientific explanation? Is there such thing as air molecules bunching up together causing objects to move? Then explain how the objects just happen to fly at people? I'm a bit high right now so I don't know what I'm saying. Just discuss.
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I think you should replace Heaven with afterlife.
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We don't know.
I don't have any evidence to believe in ghosts myself.
Lack of explanation doesn't mean crazy theories are validated.
Also the existence of Heaven isn't falsifiable.
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Wow. Hey if Heaven is fake explain my crazy dreams??
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Wow. Hey if Heaven is fake explain my crazy dreams??
Droogs.
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brownian motion
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ok. ghosts aren't real.
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I don't see what the existence or non-existence of Heaven has to do with ghosts or anything else, but I don't believe that ghosts or anything of the "paranormal" really exist. Such things are merely the result of their observers' inablity to find the true cause of the phenomenon. A person's mental state also has the potential to significantly alter how they perceive and event. For example, lights turning on and off is likely the result of faulty wiring, objects appearing to "move" could be nothing more than a table with uneven legs and an overactive imagination, etc. Unless someone can show me convincing, scientific observations of otherwise-unexplainable phenomenon, I think it's all bunk.
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If dragon's dont exist then explain to me how was fire invented
Ya not so smart now huh freaking athesits
(Heaven doesn't exist any more than ghosts and poltergheists do. But what about dragguns)
also, going on the internret high is usually a bad idea
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paranormal activities is in the same category as a show of magic
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first of all, i don't believe in ghosts.
second of all, i believe in the afterlife being either Heaven or Hell, and you don't ever go back to earth.
so if the afterlife you're talking about is the Christian afterlife (heaven or hell), then i don't see why that would support ghosts because in the christian belief, ghosts aren't real BECAUSE of there being an afterlife.
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Well I myself am a bit "iffy" on the subject of the afterlife myself, I'm just curious here. Ghosts are supposedly remnants of a human being after death, so in a way it ties into the whole subject. And you forget of heaven's actual location. If heaven is real, no one is sure where it is. It could be right here on earth, just we don't see it...that well.
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If heaven isn't real where do our souls go when we die?
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Ghosts supposedly remnants of human beings after death, or instead...
SIDE EFFECTS OF AN OVERACTIVE IMAGINATION AND/OR DRUGS!
Thank you very much.
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If heaven isn't real where do our souls go when we die?
I am replacing souls with minds here
They rot in the ground, along with our brains/bodies which contain our minds.
And then you go to the lifestream
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yeah but it's part of the christian belief to know that ghosts aren't real. you go to heaven or you go to hell. you don't become an angel, and you don't become a ghost. basically, you don't interact with the earth anymore because it is imperfect. heaven can't be on earth because the earth isn't perfect and heaven is. it's separated from the sin of the earth.
but if you're talking about the "afterlife" as being ALIVE ON EARTH after you die... then that's what ghosts ARE. so basically you'd be saying "IF GHOSTS AREN'T REAL THEN HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN GHOSTS?"
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As soon as I saw the topic title my initial reaction was "Oh god".
Before we explain ghosts, prove ghosts.
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Exactly. This is more of something to ponder on, and not to be taken seriously. It just occured to me that people constantly talk of their encounters and that dorm has shown me some pretty weird crap. I myself, do not believe in ghosts. But, my friends and I had a whole argument on this and it actually did make me think. The only problem is it'd be hard to prove ghosts. Although it's said that certain animals are able to "see" them.
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As always there's no real answer for any of these questions so there is little point in asking them!
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Why would I think about it if I'm not taking it seriously.
"Hey, guys, I just read this random post that was all like "lulz!" and I laughed and now I'm contemplating the deeper meanings..."
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okay well i think the idea of "ghosts" (i.e. dead people on earth) is crap. but i do believe in angels and demons. and yeah, i say they would be proof of the (christian) afterlife. but not everyone believes in angels/demons/heaven/hell at all, and you can't use any of those things as proof for each other. and in both our cases, these things are grounded on faith and can't be proven, at least at this point. so really, this debate isn't going to go anywhere. *lokcs topic** :fogetcool:
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Exactly. This is more of something to ponder on, and not to be taken seriously. It just occured to me that people constantly talk of their encounters and that dorm has shown me some pretty weird crap. I myself, do not believe in ghosts. But, my friends and I had a whole argument on this and it actually did make me think. The only problem is it'd be hard to prove ghosts. Although it's said that certain animals are able to "see" them.
I myself, do not believe in ghosts
I myself, do not believe in ghosts
I myself, do not believe in ghosts
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What is the point of this topic, then?
yeah but it's part of the christian belief to know that ghosts aren't real. you go to heaven or you go to hell. you don't become an angel, and you don't become a ghost. basically, you don't interact with the earth anymore because it is imperfect. heaven can't be on earth because the earth isn't perfect and heaven is. it's separated from the sin of the earth.
but if you're talking about the "afterlife" as being ALIVE ON EARTH after you die... then that's what ghosts ARE. so basically you'd be saying "IF GHOSTS AREN'T REAL THEN HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN GHOSTS?"
Prove to me, using rock-hard solid facts that heaven/hell/afterlife/imaek exist and if you also manage to convince me that the JudeoChristian god exists then, congratulations, you just turned me into a satan worshiper!
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Well if you don't believe in ghosts then what is this picture I took.
(http://www.drule.net/junk/spooks.png)
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Well if you don't believe in ghosts then what is this picture I took.
(http://www.drule.net/junk/spooks.png)
druges
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Prove to me, using rock-hard solid facts that heaven/hell/afterlife/imaek exist and if you also manage to convince me that the JudeoChristian god exists then, congratulations, you just turned me into a satan worshiper!
dude, i just said: but not everyone believes in angels/demons/heaven/hell at all, and you can't use any of those things as proof for each other. and in both our cases, these things are grounded on faith and can't be proven, at least at this point.
i'm not saying you have to accept my beliefs, i'm just offering what my beliefs on this topic are. and i'm saying that they're founded on faith so i can't give you "rock-solid facts".
and i can't prove to you that God exists unless you have other presuppositions and are willing to accept some of the things that are opinions. i could tell you, "God has talked to me in my prayers and helps me" and you will only say "PROVE IT". I know that it's true, but you can't read my thoughts and hear from God, sooo there's nothing i can do to prove God to you unless you accept my personal testimony.
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oh..m-my god drule.. :shocking:
p.s. if you guys are actually trying to use logic and reasoning when it comes to something like GHOSTS its pretty lol
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Degeneration into theism debate in:
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if ghosts are fkae explain casper please? I saw him on a movie once and all movies are true...
I don't believe in ghosts though.
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if ghosts are fkae explain casper please? I saw him on a movie once and all movies are true...
I don't believe in ghosts though.
lol. Props for that one.
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Drule just proved ghosts were real as witnessed by that image since it is impossible that it isn't real. I mean, what, did he just set up some sort of elaborate light show and take a picture of it? I am a photography expert and I can tell you right now that if you took a picture of lights they would not look like that so it must be real!
I believe ghosts are not our souls or anything but a separate race that exists on another plain of existence (like the band foreigner) and we can only see them when the fabric between space and time is weakened (like at a foreigner concert).
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GW had a ghost hunting club (expedition) a while back maybe we should post their findings here as proof?
edit: I think climbtree had a sexual encounter with a ghost once
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lol. Props for that one.
Don't encourage him.
I don't know much about GHOSTS and stuff but I know I like to believe in them because it makes life a little more exciting than being a skeptic.
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I firmly believe in ghosts and spirits
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I believe in tofu. Not firmly, though: it wouldn't hold. :fogetlaugh: :fogetlaugh: :fogetlaugh:
Anyway Drule has some pretty solid evidence right there, so. I guess ghosts = explained!
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ghosts aren't people spirits, they are tree spirits. trees are way better than people anyway
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yeah but it's part of the christian belief to know that ghosts aren't real. you go to heaven or you go to hell. you don't become an angel, and you don't become a ghost. basically, you don't interact with the earth anymore because it is imperfect. heaven can't be on earth because the earth isn't perfect and heaven is. it's separated from the sin of the earth.
but if you're talking about the "afterlife" as being ALIVE ON EARTH after you die... then that's what ghosts ARE. so basically you'd be saying "IF GHOSTS AREN'T REAL THEN HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN GHOSTS?"
(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4341/angelsinoutfieldhr61608me2.jpg)
Patiently awaiting your rebuttal.
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Such... horrible... ignorance.
http://randi.org
http://skepdic.com/
etc.
Just because anomalous phenomena occur, it does not mean you must jump to the conclusion of THROWING OUT ALL SCIENTIFIC METHODOLOGY.
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i also thought oh god when i saw this
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I'm having an exceedingly difficult time understanding the argument here. Is it supposed to be cogent? (It isn't) Is it supposed to be droll and ironic? You're predicating your contention on an incredibly poor foundation - one must first, indisputably, prove the existence of paranormal beings in order to offer them as unassailable proof of the existence of an afterlife. Of course, even if such proof were objectively verifiable, substantial debate could be made of how this relates to the issue of an afterlife.
I'm willing to have an intelligent discourse over the possible existence of apparitions, but this is, quite honestly, a myopic and trite way of approaching the subject. And if it seems as if I'm being harsh, it's because I am. It's for the best I believe. A suggestion - citations and credible evidence supporting your claims are your friends. Get acquainted with them.
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I'm having an exceedingly difficult time understanding the argument here. Is it supposed to be cogent? (It isn't) Is it supposed to be droll and ironic? You're predicating your contention on an incredibly poor foundation - one must first, indisputably, prove the existence of paranormal beings in order to offer them as unassailable proof of the existence of an afterlife. Of course, even if such proof were objectively verifiable, substantial debate could be made of how this relates to the issue of an afterlife.
I'm willing to have an intelligent discourse over the possible existence of apparitions, but this is, quite honestly, a myopic and trite way of approaching the subject. And if it seems as if I'm being harsh, it's because I am. It's for the best I believe. A suggestion - citations and credible evidence supporting your claims are your friends. Get acquainted with them.
:fogetnah:
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If you believe in ghosts, what about goblins? Do you believe in them? Or Zombies? Where the fuck
are all the zombies?
That's the problem with zombies, they're unreliable.
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This is the worst topic we've had in here for a while. Thank you allowing us the opportunity to discuss some crazy observation you came up with while high.