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Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Mince Wobley on December 04, 2007, 11:13:57 pm
I thought this was about some chimpanzee attacking college kids but it turns out it's even better.

Artical here (http://news.wired.com/dynamic/stories/C/CHIMP_MEMORY?SITE=WIRE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2007-12-03-12-)

Discuss!
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Ragnar on December 04, 2007, 11:23:24 pm
*says some random joke about marijuanas*
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: ATARI on December 04, 2007, 11:26:28 pm
next time use college students that aren't hungover
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Swordfish on December 04, 2007, 11:36:20 pm
I really don't know what to say, but if thats true why haven't they evolved further like we have?
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Marcus on December 04, 2007, 11:40:38 pm
I was actually watching a demonstration this morning on CNN or something.

They're not smarter (as in more intelligent) but they have better memories... which makes sense.  As you get older, your memory tends to get weaker for whatever reason.

But yeah, don't owe a chimp any money because "A chimp never forgets."
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Mince Wobley on December 04, 2007, 11:46:12 pm
I really don't know what to say, but if thats true why haven't they evolved further like we have?

Because they didn't need or want to?
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Xeno|Soft on December 04, 2007, 11:50:07 pm
why do you guys make such misleading topic titles?
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: the bloddy ghost on December 04, 2007, 11:57:28 pm
Yeah, the title is very misleading. You should change it?
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on December 05, 2007, 12:01:27 am
abstract thought processes > mechanical
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Mateui on December 05, 2007, 12:04:05 am
Recognizing numbers in four-tenths or two-tenths of a second =/= intelligence
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: hobo2 on December 05, 2007, 12:07:37 am
People need to stop sensationalizing articles that are actually pretty boring.
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: jamie on December 05, 2007, 12:31:02 am
but then people won't come in to satisfy the ego of the poster who wants people to read his/her topics even if they are worthless and promote no real discussion at all
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on December 05, 2007, 12:42:17 am
hey this isn't WHOAHOWA but it isn't exactly trivial either

i don't see why we don't have monkeys doing mundane jobs already, i heard apes are like 10x as strong as we are
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Mince Wobley on December 05, 2007, 12:51:56 am
hey this isn't WHOAHOWA but it isn't exactly trivial either

i don't see why we don't have monkeys doing mundane jobs already, i heard apes are like 10x as strong as we are

But then people will complain of slavery
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Zeratul on December 05, 2007, 01:01:13 am
What a dumb article.
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Bobberticus on December 05, 2007, 01:17:06 am
Haha i saw a quick demonstration of this on the news :D
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: kermit the toad on December 05, 2007, 01:53:08 am
*says some random joke about marijuanas*
Yeah, I was going to say, chimps don't smoke weed or drink alcohol.

Also, to Inri Cheetos: did you spell "article" wrong on purpose?
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: olrox on December 05, 2007, 02:04:15 am
Wow thats amazing................
it is what pornography makes to the human´s brain.
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on December 05, 2007, 02:33:32 am
But then people will complain of slavery

uhhh, then pay them??
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Dale Gobbler on December 05, 2007, 02:57:36 am
College student's aren't trained for the sole purpose of recognizing numbers in a small amount of time. The chimp's probably were.

PS: Change the title to "Planet of the Apes"
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: alphasmart on December 05, 2007, 11:38:00 am
Recognizing numbers in four-tenths or two-tenths of a second =/= intelligence

Interesting point: what exactly constitutes "intelligence"?  DISCUSS
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: LORd on December 05, 2007, 11:55:17 am
I think this is pretty wicked actually. I had no idea that chimps could even be taught things like numerical order, let alone that they could understand a test like this. How did they train them? Classical conditioning? This seems to be a little too complex a task to be the result of a mere trial-and-error, carrot-and-stick methodology. How does one communicate abstract concepts to chimpanzees?
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Post by: Liman on December 05, 2007, 01:16:37 pm
Someone mentioned Planet of the Apes... I'm scared it'll come true.

In the 4th film (or something like that), the little ape is so cute and they teach him stuff, and what happens? he evolves, starts a rebellion and soon mankind is reduced to a bunch of slaves!

Kill the ape while you can!!
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Lars on December 05, 2007, 01:50:44 pm
Sensory input was rather tested than 'smartness' or short-term memory (although short-term memory is of course a prerestique to being able to take the test). When the pictures were shown for a bit longer and the brain had the time to process the image completely, humans and apes were able to score equally well.

But as any psychonaut knows, human consciousness has A LOT of filters. The subconsciousness is capable of much more than the preconscious or the coscious, and that's maybe where apes succeed; there's less of a gap between these.
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Shepperd on December 05, 2007, 02:15:08 pm
I was actually watching a demonstration this morning on CNN or something.

They're not smarter (as in more intelligent) but they have better memories... which makes sense.  As you get older, your memory tends to get weaker for whatever reason.

But yeah, don't owe a chimp any money because "A chimp never forgets."

smart doesn't have the same meaning as intelligent

Intelligence is based on knowledge
Smart is a good ability to process information
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: chanicakes on December 05, 2007, 02:36:06 pm
The study was also done on a young chimp and adults, that creates a huge difference in mental age and alertness. Im not sure but if apes/chimps/monkeys live the same or similar life span of a human then shouldn't you test against a equivalent age for more accurate results, and do grouped age tests instead of just adults have two males and two females of both species at different ages for multiple tests... that would produce a more accurate result. If then they said that the primates had better cognative abilities then I would believe it.
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Taylor Kaz on December 05, 2007, 05:50:59 pm
It's a matter of iconic memory ability.  That is, how quickly we can process visual information.  For humans it's about 1 second to fully process info.

There also need to be motivation for good performance.  It's likely that the chimps were reinforced  on a typical VI schedule on something like that.  Same tests to get pigeons to peck at a screen.

Thing is, people, chimps, pigeons all have the same capacity for processing visual information.  it's just a matter of motivation.  Deprive the people of food, and make the reward a cheeseburger, see who wins.
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Ragnar on December 05, 2007, 06:02:58 pm
Well I was thinking about this before in Philo class, hearing is probably a less evolved sense or something or at least it's more designed for instinctive reactions. Like if you hear someone yelling or a gunshot or something you'd probably react right away but some visual stuff might produce a slower reaction. Like not realizing two people are fighting for real at first even though you're seeing it, I guess.
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: chanicakes on December 05, 2007, 06:17:20 pm
It was from a statement that he made to his lawyer that he had on a few occasions hit the dog because it was barking too much or that it was doing something that he didn't want it to do at the time.  Also had said this wasn't the first dog he had that had some sort of abuse from himself.

Bringing me back to my original point, if he hadn't been caught he wouldn't have felt sorry. And another thing, why was he bringing the dog to a animal shelter rather than an animal clinic where it could recover... that makes me wonder what he really was thinking.
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Taylor Kaz on December 05, 2007, 06:38:58 pm
Well I was thinking about this before in Philo class, hearing is probably a less evolved sense or something or at least it's more designed for instinctive reactions. Like if you hear someone yelling or a gunshot or something you'd probably react right away but some visual stuff might produce a slower reaction. Like not realizing two people are fighting for real at first even though you're seeing it, I guess.

Hearing is a more evolved sense.  Language is actually dependent on the evolution of hearing.  Otherwise we'd be speaking in less complex sounds like ugh and oo.  No seriously people can hold info in the echoic sensory register from 1-5 seconds.  A gunshot or some loud noise is going to effect both humans and chimps.
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Ragnar on December 05, 2007, 07:20:08 pm
Hearing is a more evolved sense.  Language is actually dependent on the evolution of hearing.  Otherwise we'd be speaking in less complex sounds like ugh and oo.  No seriously people can hold info in the echoic sensory register from 1-5 seconds.  A gunshot or some loud noise is going to effect both humans and chimps.

yeah nvm I'm stupid
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Grunthor on December 07, 2007, 11:06:30 pm
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I wouldn't say that chimps are actually smarter than humans, but they're definitely not stupid either.  I gotta admit they do have pretty good memory.  They probably beat these college kids due more to memory and mimicry than actual intelligence though.
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Liman on December 07, 2007, 11:13:27 pm
I think it's pretty amazing how well that Chimp did (trained or not)... almost scary in a way.
It's hilarious how he used the ticket correctly in the end.
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Hundley on December 08, 2007, 11:20:29 am
video

I wouldn't say that chimps are actually smarter than humans, but they're definitely not stupid either.  I gotta admit they do have pretty good memory.  They probably beat these college kids due more to memory and mimicry than actual intelligence though.
this video is extremely misleading. everybody knows that japanese monkeys are much smarter than american monkeys


also i think the only reason why people are the slightest bit interested in monkey intellect is because christians are so damn annoying and anything to prove them wrong is a major moral victory
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Captian~Sodium on December 11, 2007, 04:40:33 am
First they 1-up us in SAT scores, next thing you know they'll steal your job at pizza hut before you can blink.

....damn, dirty apes

C~S
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: EvilDemonCreature on December 11, 2007, 07:03:18 pm
Give me a couple of weeks.

(http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/24944/Flash_focus_box_art.jpg)

I know I can beat that chimp.
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Brown on December 11, 2007, 07:26:36 pm
give ME a couple of weeks.

(http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/645/98481721lo5.jpg)
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: EvilDemonCreature on December 12, 2007, 04:39:06 am
give ME a couple of weeks.

You know what? Fuck the chimp. Two weeks, I'm taking you on!

We will decide the superior DS vision training game.
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Paragon on December 14, 2007, 07:44:45 am
What I want to know is, can we book those chimps? I've got seventeen washed-up actors in line to host the game show.
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: dethmetal on December 15, 2007, 03:13:05 am
Interesting point: what exactly constitutes "intelligence"?  DISCUSS

capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc.
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Furretsu on December 16, 2007, 08:58:24 pm
Ahahaha!  That's great.
Title: Study confirms that apes are smarter than college students
Post by: Albelnox on December 16, 2007, 09:02:53 pm
but thats just college students :S not everybody afterall.