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Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Standard Toaster on December 19, 2007, 03:36:24 am
Official Movie Site (http://www.sweeneytoddmovie.com/)
Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweeney_Todd:_The_Demon_Barber_of_Fleet_Street_%282007_film%29)
IMDb (http://imdb.com/title/tt0408236/)

Quote from: 'Plot from wikipedia
After being falsely accused of a dangerous crime' date=' Benjamin Barker, now under the name Sweeney Todd, (Johnny Depp) returns to London seeking revenge against the wicked Judge Turpin (Alan Rickman), the very man who imprisoned him and stole his wife Lucy (Laura Michelle Kelly). In his return, Todd hooks up with his former landlady and corrupt baker Mrs. Nellie Lovett (Helena Bonham Carter) who fuels his desire for revenge into a murder frenzy that helps her bakery become famous once again, by adding a new item to the menu...[/quote']

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At first I thought that this was just another Burton-Depp love affair, but its actually gotten really good reviews (even a 90% on Rotten Tomatoes) and I'm actually pretty interested in it now. Even though the trailer makes it out to be a pretty normal movie, it has maintained its original form as a musical. I never saw the original musical, and usually I don't really like Burton's stuff but this looks like it could be pretty good.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Beasley on December 19, 2007, 04:32:32 am
Yeah I'll probably rent this when it comes out, just because I can't afford to see any movies right now. But I love Depp and this looks to be a pretty interesting musical so needless to say i am excited!
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: big ass skelly on December 19, 2007, 04:39:15 am
I'm not crazy into Tim Burton but I like Depp so I'll see this, looks interesting enough
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Chyld989 on December 19, 2007, 05:03:55 am
I'll rent this one when it comes out.  I WOULD go see it in the theater, but Marcus Theaters didn't want to pay as much as Paramount wanted for it, so it's not going to be showing here.  Jerks.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: skatinggamer on December 20, 2007, 06:00:07 pm
I want to see this movie. It looks pretty good. Yeah, my bro saw the play of it at a local college and said that it was pretty sweet and he had told me what it was about. When I saw the preview for it I was like, "Sweet, I wanna see that". I probably won't see it in theaters but I definitely want to see it.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: dragonx on December 21, 2007, 04:59:45 pm
I am not a huge fan of tim burton, but I really want to see this.

it better...live up to hype..
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Sarhan on December 22, 2007, 11:29:12 pm
My girlfriend wants to bang Depp so I'm going to see this with her sometime soon...probably on Christmas since neither of us works.

It looks very meh. I don't know why, but Depp just doesn't appeal to me as much as he does to other people. He's a good actor and all, but I think he's overrated. I'm not a huge fan of musicals so I don't know what to make of this, but hopefully I won't leave the theater kicking myself for spending $9.50 to see a mediocre movie.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Fire Mage on December 24, 2007, 04:37:29 am
This was actually a great musical. It's probably one of the only musicals I'd watch or ever watch again. It was great, and I bet it did the original justice.


You better be prepared for
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: big ass skelly on December 24, 2007, 09:36:15 am
Sarhan, maybe you don't like Depp because your girlfriend wants to bang him, just a thought
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Sarhan on December 24, 2007, 10:09:15 am
Sarhan, maybe you don't like Depp because your girlfriend wants to bang him, just a thought

Yeah, that's what she thinks too, but I didn't like him even before we started dating. Besides, I'm not really the jealous type.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Cheshire Cat on December 24, 2007, 01:25:05 pm
Quote
Sarhan, maybe you don't like Depp because your girlfriend wants to bang him, just a thought

I'm pretty sure its a given that if you have a girlfriend she wants to bang Johnny Depp. It's what girlfriends do, bit like a test to us.

Cheeky bugger.

But yeah, looks reasonably intresting, though that video there's broken.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Sarhan on December 26, 2007, 06:58:10 am
Saw it earlier today. It was so meh. It was artistic and all, but I didn't think it was that good. I'd give it a 7-ish. My girlfriend liked it a lot though. She's going to see it again tomorrow with her friend.

You better be prepared for

Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Wil on December 26, 2007, 09:28:06 am
Very excited for this. I don't usually care much for musicals (there are very few musicals I actually enjoy), but this looks very entertaining. And of course I'm a sucker for Burton and Depp.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Vellfire on December 26, 2007, 01:40:36 pm
I'm pretty much the opposite.  I love musicals, but I hate Burton and Depp.  I don't think I could stand them enough to give this a fair shot.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Bill Murray on December 26, 2007, 06:01:45 pm
Saw it earlier today. It was so meh. It was artistic and all, but I didn't think it was that good. I'd give it a 7-ish. My girlfriend liked it a lot though. She's going to see it again tomorrow with her friend.


Last time I checked, a 7 rating is pretty decent.  :fogetshrug:
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Roman on December 26, 2007, 08:19:55 pm
Last time I checked, a 7 rating is pretty decent.  :fogetshrug:

yeah but it's not great either!  that's what "meh" means, doesn't it?
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Bill Murray on December 26, 2007, 08:22:22 pm
..No?

5 is the middle of the scale, so a 7 is above average (which is basically what decent films get on imdb.com).

"meh" would be around the 4 - 5 mark.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: jamie on December 26, 2007, 08:48:33 pm
i saw this a couple of days ago and i thought it was a very good looking and sounding movie. i also liked how it was pretty gruesome, too.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Vellfire on December 26, 2007, 09:28:28 pm
i saw this a couple of days ago and i thought it was a very good looking and sounding movie. i also liked how it was pretty gruesome, too.

I read this like this:

"everything but the story was pretty nice"
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: jamie on December 26, 2007, 11:37:00 pm
I read this like this:

"everything but the story was pretty nice"


feh feh feh I GUESS YOU GOT ME
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Fire Mage on December 27, 2007, 07:33:52 am

feh feh feh I GUESS YOU GOT ME
The story was actually good.

Somewhat (hell, a lot) out of the norm.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Sarhan on December 27, 2007, 11:47:35 am
yeah but it's not great either!  that's what "meh" means, doesn't it?

This.

Meh isn't a 5. A meh is a decent movie (pretty much a 7), just like you said, but not necessarily anything special. A 7 (IMO) is worth seeing but anything under that is not. Basically, it's the lowest grade I'd give to a movie that's not crap.

And I apologize if any of this is incoherent. It's almost 6:00 AM and I'm falling asleep at the keyboa...
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Fire Mage on December 27, 2007, 06:41:57 pm
I agree, a meh is like 7. A blah is like 5.

And why exactly are we linking incoherent words to ratings?
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Bill Murray on December 27, 2007, 07:55:12 pm
1. Meh 
 
 Indifference; to be used when one simply does not care.

A: What do you want for dinner?
B: Meh.
 
Indifference would be around the halfway mark, which is 5. Bastards.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Sarhan on December 28, 2007, 01:18:16 am
I can't believe we're debating what "meh" means.

It's a 7.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Vellfire on December 28, 2007, 12:28:56 pm
I'm strongly against average/"meh" being 7.  In theory, yes, it would be above average.  But think about what it would take to make the movie a 10, and then 7 doesn't seem very "meh", 7 seems like a very good movie, and 10 is reserved for the BEST OF THE BEST, which doesn't come around often.  7 isn't proportionate for what people consider a 10, the numbers are just weighted different.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Bill Murray on December 28, 2007, 02:09:13 pm
If we're working on the imdb type scale, the highest film rating would be around the 9.2 mark.

Decent films get 7 and extremely good films get 8.

Calling a decent film 'meh' just doesn't really fit.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Captain Goodluck on December 28, 2007, 02:20:41 pm
I'm not really into musicals, but this movie was well-made and well-acted.


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Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: ase on December 28, 2007, 03:14:18 pm
Here is how to say "meh" in lots of languages. HAVE FUN

Finnish: pah
French: bof
German: mh
Italian: boh      Russian: ну (nu)
Slovene: eh
Spanish: bah
Swedish: bla


The Swedish translation proves it can't be a 7.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Liman on December 28, 2007, 06:00:21 pm
Here is how to say "meh" in lots of languages. HAVE FUN

Swedish: bla


The Swedish translation proves it can't be a 7.

Bla?  :hmm:
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: EvilDemonCreature on December 28, 2007, 06:56:46 pm
This is why I perfer the "Out of 5" system to the "Out of 10" system.

The out of 10 system is too close to the out of 100 system, which is confused for the scholastic system of "% of completion". If the kid is correct 70% of the time, then he is at the midpoint for all children getting things correct (apparently). A kid scoring 70, would be rated a 5 out of 10.

But all that confusion is cleared up with an "Out of 5" system. For instance, a "meh" is going to be a 3/5 no matter which way you cut it.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Ralph on December 28, 2007, 09:38:16 pm
Here is how to say "meh" in lots of languages. HAVE FUN

Finnish: pah
French: bof
German: mh
Italian: boh      Russian: ну (nu)
Slovene: eh
Spanish: bah
Swedish: bla


The Swedish translation proves it can't be a 7.

There's also the Dutch "Mwoh."
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Sarhan on December 29, 2007, 02:18:07 am
This is why I perfer the "Out of 5" system to the "Out of 10" system.

The out of 10 system is too close to the out of 100 system, which is confused for the scholastic system of "% of completion". If the kid is correct 70% of the time, then he is at the midpoint for all children getting things correct (apparently). A kid scoring 70, would be rated a 5 out of 10.

But all that confusion is cleared up with an "Out of 5" system. For instance, a "meh" is going to be a 3/5 no matter which way you cut it.

Yeah, but then you have less flexibility. If a movie is better than 3 but not quite a 4, you have to make a tough call and either over or underrate it. And if you start introducing decimals, then it becomes the same thing as an "out of 10" scale.

I like this discussion. Quite interesting.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Ragnar on December 29, 2007, 02:18:53 am
I think by imdb standards 10 would be like you have a religious epiphany from the film and somehow the movie gives you a bj at the same time
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: EvilDemonCreature on December 29, 2007, 02:24:05 am
Yeah, but then you have less flexibility. If a movie is better than 3 but not quite a 4, you have to make a tough call and either over or underrate it. And if you start introducing decimals, then it becomes the same thing as an "out of 10" scale.

I like this discussion. Quite interesting.

Well sometimes I like being forced to crop some things out. I mean, you only get to watch so many movies, and I'd hate to have watched an "almost 4" when I could have watched an actual 4 instead. Plus three isn't really bad. In fact, if the movie initially looks like that it's "your kind of thing", then a 3 is more than adequate for watching and enjoying the flick. If it's not specifically your thing, a 3 is still good if there is nothing else on and your freind wants to watch the movie.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: big ass skelly on December 29, 2007, 09:58:48 am
The only way "meh"/average is a 7/10 is if you consider any GOOD film to be 10/10 PERFECT FILM
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: CorporateGreed on January 02, 2008, 10:04:42 am
Let's talk about the film instead.

I loved it. It was well written (though most of the credit goes to the original play) and
well played. I actually saw the older movie just before this one (I suddenly got interested)
and I think Burton did well.

Helena Carter and Depp portrayed the characters rather well (but I'm a sucker for Carters
more eccentric characters so I'm probably biased), and I must say I didn't expect Cohen to
pull off the character of Pirelli half as well as he did.

I absolutely hated Joanna in this movie, but I don't think that was Wiseners fault; The
script didn't really put as much emphasis on her as it should have. Finally, Alan Rickman
somehow disappointed me in this movie. I've always been a fan, but I don't think he put
as much personality in his character as he normally does. A little bit of Snape might have
suited him more.

EDIT:

Thinking about it, I'm not grading this movie. Fuck the argument.
Title: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Post by: Bill Murray on January 02, 2008, 12:26:49 pm
I dare you to grade it.