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General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: Elighja on January 02, 2008, 06:20:09 pm
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I just received news this morning at 7:00 am from my parents that my older brother Daniel Ignath shot himself in the head last night at 6:30 pm. My parents got this news from my sis who got the news from police who showed up at her doorsteps. I dont know what to do...when i received this news it was like the world closed in on me. The walls of my house started coming closer together and it felt like i was inside a box of pain. I may not be around for a while cause i live in a different province then he did. Ill be going there setting up a funeral and attending it. He was only 21 years old under the influence of drugs.
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I'm sorry man...my condolences. God be with you right now.
No matter what, keep your head up, times will get better, even if it doesn't seem like it.
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That's horrible. I'm really sorry to hear that. Please go off and settle your real life matters and make sure you're emotionally and psychologically stable before you return. It'll be for the best.
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That sucks, man. I hope you make it through this ok. Like ASE said, it'd probably be a good idea to sort all your real life stuff out before doing much online.
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im really sorry to hear that dude. stay strong for your brother. when you get back and you wanna talk or anything, just PM me.
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http://www.steinbachonline.com/index.php?option=com_ezine&task=read&page=9&category=21&article=6425&Itemid=86
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I can't really relate because I've never had any person really close to me die. I've had pets die, which is traumatic as well, but I doubt it's anything like having a real living person you know and communicate with die.
These things happen - and it's terribly unfortunate when they do. You have my condolences.
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I am really sorry for your loss. You can get through this, just be strong.
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hard shit, it will be a scar in your heart that will remain forever.
You learn from scars and move on.
on a sidenote, the title of this topic instantly made me think of Chef's Lando and Pluto Nash song
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I'm very sorry to hear that man...I wouldn't know what to do if I was in your position either.
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http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Manitoba/2008/01/02/4749426.html
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My God... Best of luck, dude.
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(I don't want to be an asshole at the most inappropiate time, but Elighla has posted this on at least one other forum as well.)
..either way, I'm still sorry for your loss.
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ugh. this is always the worst possible news.
i think i am going to go give my brother a hug now
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My sympathies, good man.
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That's terrible
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(I don't want to be an asshole at the most inappropiate time, but Elighla has posted this on at least one other forum as well.)
..either way, I'm still sorry for your loss.
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so?
he posted it on another forum he goes to, almost no one who goes to forums go to JUST ONE.
jesus :fogetsad:
sorry to hear your loss OP. My condolences...
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I am confused, did your brother shoot a guy then shoot himself, or did another guy shoot him then he shot himself, or what.
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shit
that's some horrible horrible shit to go through
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I am confused, did your brother shoot a guy then shoot himself, or did another guy shoot him then he shot himself, or what.
uh, where did he mention another guy at all? he just said his brother shot himself.
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Police say a 21-year-old gunman appears to have shot a 20-year-old man on New Year's Day before fatally shooting himself.
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Yea imma try to hold it together. We were so close...Me and my family are planning out his funeral. Its going to be the first the whole family is together but not exactly since were going to be missing one. So im not going to be around for a while. This is my last post for a few weeks. Hope you all understand and thank you for your time along with your comments they did help a little. Support is something thats needed at times like these.
Edit:// the article isnt 100% cause the media put it out onto the net when the investigation has only just began. But thats an idea of what happened.
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I'm sorry to hear that. Best wishes to you and your family.
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So he actually also shot someone else before shooting himself?
I can't imagine even for a minute what kind of news this must be for you.
What can I say? Just remember that whatever happens, it's the future that matters. Maybe you'll doubt yourself, and maybe you'll put some blame onto yourself for what has happened. I can't very easily say anything about the way you view the situation. But no matter what you think of yourself or your brother now, you need to keep doing that which made you happy before. You can't sink into a depression or quit college or otherwise stop endeavoring yourself; not now, not at any other time.
In any case, I wish you the best.
EDIT: and hey, I'm just hoping to make you laugh here for a second, but maybe you can find solace in knowing that even Google has offered its condolences.
(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/Picture%204_12.png)
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That sucks man. RCMP ain't got shit fuck them.
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Damn man, this is horrible news. I experienced something similar awhile back (father overdosed on drugs) and just wanted to tell you that things do get better.
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God, that's horrible. I'm really sorry to hear.
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sorry to hear about that bro. drugs are a heavy thing sometimes.
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You have my condolences.
There truly are no words to rationalize the death of a loved one, so I shall make no such attempt.
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Whoa. Sorry to hear that man. That's a pretty serious thing to go through.
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woah, and right during the holidays... man... Im really sorry for you, hope you can recover from it fast.
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Sucks balls. I haven't had a relative close to me die, thank to God... But it's been close, and even that sucks balls like one wouldn't imagine. I can tell you only one thing. Mourn him and cry all you have to. But then? Move on. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
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well this is awful and i'm sorry but
really dude why are you on the internet posting articles about it and changing your member title and stuff? you should go GRIEVE or spend time with your family or something that doesn't involve chatting with random internet people about it. i don't know, i guess you can do whatever you want, but if my brother died i feel like the last thing i would want to do is get on the internet and chat about it with strangers. you should take some time for yourself.
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He just took a few minutes to share something?
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your brother rests within the bonds you made with him and the memories you hold of him. Take care, and best of luck.
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really dude why are you on the internet posting articles about it and changing your member title and stuff? you should go GRIEVE or spend time with your family or something that doesn't involve chatting with random internet people about it. i don't know, i guess you can do whatever you want, but if my brother died i feel like the last thing i would want to do is get on the internet and chat about it with strangers.
Maybe. It's hard to tell what you'd do. I'd reckon I would not even be able to comprehend what has happened for some time. It doesn't seem very off to me that he's just doing everything he was doing before, such as browsing this forum. Maybe what happened will hit him much later, and I can't blame him.
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Hahahaha owned [/obligatory dick comment]
Really though, I wish I could say that I feel bad for you, but I don't. I mean, it's nothing personal or anything, I just don't seem to be able to feel bad about this kind of shit anymore. Maybe it's just because you are FROM THE INTERBUTTS to me or something, but I don't think it's that.
I mean it's tragic and all and I know you must feel bad and stuff, but I won't lie and say I feel for you, because I don't. I've had family members and friends die before (though never a suicide) (actually okay one may have been, but that was never substantiated) but I mean you get over it, life goes on. It'll probably feel like there's a hole somewhere for a while, but (and this probably sounds really bad, but I'll say it anyway) you learn to not care about it anymore.
So I guess what I'm saying is that I hope that you come to that point soon or something and I hope that the funeral and whatnot go well or something.
I dunno.
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the [/obligatory dick comment] should be at the end of your post.
if i'm the only one that thinks that was totally un-fucking-called for i'll apologize.
Elighja I'm really sorry to hear about your loss man. You have my deepest condolences.
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Hahahaha owned [/obligatory dick comment]
Really though, I wish I could say that I feel bad for you, but I don't. I mean, it's nothing personal or anything, I just don't seem to be able to feel bad about this kind of shit anymore. Maybe it's just because you are FROM THE INTERBUTTS to me or something, but I don't think it's that.
I mean it's tragic and all and I know you must feel bad and stuff, but I won't lie and say I feel for you, because I don't. I've had family members and friends die before (though never a suicide) (actually okay one may have been, but that was never substantiated) but I mean you get over it, life goes on. It'll probably feel like there's a hole somewhere for a while, but (and this probably sounds really bad, but I'll say it anyway) you learn to not care about it anymore.
So I guess what I'm saying is that I hope that you come to that point soon or something and I hope that the funeral and whatnot go well or something.
I dunno.
usually you just don't post dawgg. do you attend peoples' funerals in life and go YEAH ACTUALLY TBH I DON'T FEEL A GODDAMN THING WHY AM I EVEN HERE, too?
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That's awful, man. My sincere condolences to you and your family.
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Hahahaha owned [/obligatory dick comment]
Really though, I wish I could say that I feel bad for you, but I don't. I mean, it's nothing personal or anything, I just don't seem to be able to feel bad about this kind of shit anymore. Maybe it's just because you are FROM THE INTERBUTTS to me or something, but I don't think it's that.
I mean it's tragic and all and I know you must feel bad and stuff, but I won't lie and say I feel for you, because I don't. I've had family members and friends die before (though never a suicide) (actually okay one may have been, but that was never substantiated) but I mean you get over it, life goes on. It'll probably feel like there's a hole somewhere for a while, but (and this probably sounds really bad, but I'll say it anyway) you learn to not care about it anymore.
So I guess what I'm saying is that I hope that you come to that point soon or something and I hope that the funeral and whatnot go well or something.
I dunno.
Dude, the other day you were like
I FEEL BAD ABOUT SEEING AN OLD WOMAN BUY THREE NEXT GEN CONSOLES BECAUSE THE PEOPLE AROUND HERE CAN'T AFFORD THAT MANY. IT MADE ME FEEL TERRIBLE
but you laugh at this? Are you serious?
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can we not pay any attention to iaman, please? i was really hoping to get through this topic without anyone fucking it up.
iaman, if you see this and wanna reply, please either dont or just do a generic one that wont upset people, thanks
and panda i think id at least make a topic to tell people about it, talking about it helps even if its to a bunch of people you dont know and probably dont care about. and the member title probably makes him feel better and takes, what, 9 seconds to change?
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I live across from one of the major hospitals in San Francisco, so I see people under the influence and coming off of all kinds of drugs, and some of it is genuinely horrifying to watch. I'm sorry to hear your brother got mixed up in something like that.
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really dude why are you on the internet posting articles about it and changing your member title and stuff? you should go GRIEVE or spend time with your family or something that doesn't involve chatting with random internet people about it. i don't know, i guess you can do whatever you want, but if my brother died i feel like the last thing i would want to do is get on the internet and chat about it with strangers. you should take some time for yourself.
That's what I was trying to say, in less offensive terms. =/
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Wow. I've had tragic shit happen in my life but I was too young to notice. I can only imagine that this will be a scar on you for the rest of your life. You have my condolences.
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don't know what to tell you other than sorry to hear for you loss
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I know i'm just some internet guy but I just wanted to come in and say that you and your brother will be in my thoughts and prayers. As many others said, you can get through this mate :\
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I'm really sorry man..
I recently lost a Grandfather, who I'll be honest I wasnt majorly close to, but it still hurt, so I can't imagine
what your going through.
When you want to cry, cry and when you want to laugh, laugh, don't enter into a spiral of "He wouldnt want me to..." etc because that's when things will go from terrible to insanity.
My deepest condolences to you and your family.
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My condolences to you and your family dude... I hope it won't be too hard on you. And if it is, life goes on. Like other people said, give yourself time to grieve but don't quit college, get depressed etc etc
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Dude, the other day you were like
I FEEL BAD ABOUT SEEING AN OLD WOMAN BUY THREE NEXT GEN CONSOLES BECAUSE THE PEOPLE AROUND HERE CAN'T AFFORD THAT MANY. IT MADE ME FEEL TERRIBLE
but you laugh at this? Are you serious?
Actually I didn't seriously laugh at this. In fact basically all my post consisted of were the bizarre, nonsensical, and completely pulled-out-of-my-ass rantings of me in an overtired state being abso-fucking-lutely ridiculous at a completely inappropriate time. I apologize to all of you for having thought I was serious (hint: I wasn't) and offer my condolences to Elighja and his family right now. What he is going through is tough and I understand that I wasn't helping at all. There really isn't an excuse that can make up for what I did, but I hope this apology helps out somewhat.
HINT: Had I actually meant what I said it would NOT have been in this topic, I'd have been bitching about it in IRC.
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Obviously this is just a rehash of what everyone else said, by my condolences and I'm so so sorry for what you're going through. Hopefully you have good memories of him to live with! My condolences, again, and my prayers.
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really dude why are you on the internet posting articles about it and changing your member title and stuff? you should go GRIEVE or spend time with your family or something that doesn't involve chatting with random internet people about it. i don't know, i guess you can do whatever you want, but if my brother died i feel like the last thing i would want to do is get on the internet and chat about it with strangers. you should take some time for yourself.
it is pretty weird to see you post this because didn't you argue a while back that the ties you make with people over them interwebs can be as real and valuable as in real life? As dubious as it sounds I'm probably attached enough to GW to come here for feedback at a time of crisis myself.
sorry if I confused you with someone else here and spammed this thread with factually incorrect regurgitation tho!
and for what it's worth, you have my condolences as well elighja. hope it helps.
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Man, that's terrible Elighja, my condolences. I can... imagine the pain, i never would want ANY of my brothers die. (My big brother is in army and he was like a year in Kosovo + he tried to attend to middle-east, jezus fucking christ i reliazed how much i like him then.)
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Im terribly sorry dude. Ive had some deaths in my family, but I was younger, and they didnt happen this way. I really hope you can find some comfort in a good way.
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Seriously, some people in these forums need a fucking lesson in empathy.
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Illiteration aside, I offer my sympathy and condolences...
May your brother rest in peace...
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Its always tough to realize you'll never see someone you care about again for the rest of your life.
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it is pretty weird to see you post this because didn't you argue a while back that the ties you make with people over them interwebs can be as real and valuable as in real life? As dubious as it sounds I'm probably attached enough to GW to come here for feedback at a time of crisis myself.
sorry if I confused you with someone else here and spammed this thread with factually incorrect regurgitation tho!
and for what it's worth, you have my condolences as well elighja. hope it helps.
i don't remember one way or the other, to be honest, but i'm going to go ahead and say PROBABLY NOT because i do not think that at all and in fact think the exact opposite (internet relationships are, for me anyway, intrinsically less meaningful than any substantial real life connection i would have. that's not to say that they mean nothing, but it's always going to be less than their physical counterparts. i was actually talking about this the other day and attributed it to the lack of true personality that you see when a person's body language and voice aren't involved, among other reasons that WHILE INTERESTING probably would be more suited to another topic). although i guess they may have value in a nontraditional sense that doesn't necessarily depend on the cultivation of a relationship itself, or an intimate connection with/knowledge of another person. that is to say, a lot of internet relationships have had value for me, even really insignificant ones, simply because of what i was able to learn/take away from them more than the relationship, or the person it was with, itself. but i don't think i would've made that argument.
so, no, but maybe! in any case, if i did, i changed my mind.
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hello everyone and thank you all so much for your support. It really means allot to me and my family. Im back now, i had to fly to another province to arrange my brothers funeral and fly back after the funeral. Im ready to slowly direct myself back to my everyday life. The funeral was huge with over 180 ppl signed n the guest book. But it was also very sad.
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Good luck. Make sure you ease into things slowly. Hopefully you will soon be able to continue living normally without, of course, forgetting your brother.
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Hahahaha owned [/obligatory dick comment]
Really though, I wish I could say that I feel bad for you, but I don't. I mean, it's nothing personal or anything, I just don't seem to be able to feel bad about this kind of shit anymore. Maybe it's just because you are FROM THE INTERBUTTS to me or something, but I don't think it's that.
I mean it's tragic and all and I know you must feel bad and stuff, but I won't lie and say I feel for you, because I don't.
Why would you even post this.
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Why would you even post this.
Why would you even post this.
He has already been warned for it (although I disagree with the warn)
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Okay, so I'm not sure why anyone would start a topic like this unless they were fishing for the condolences of other people or trying to make themselves the center of attention for some time in a twisted sort of way. And I'm not intentionally trying to be mean here (unless those were your intentions) but am genuinely curious as to the purpose of starting a topic like this. I know you could try to justify it as explaining an absence or decreasing in activity (shouldn't this be in another forum then?) but what is the reason for including the details about his suicide and not simply saying, "I will be away for a while?"
Either way, I'd say "My condolences" or whatever, but really I don't know you, nor did I know your brother. And as "tragic" this is to you personally, I see no reason to draw myself into any kind of serious emotional attachment to it especially in the shadow of worse tragedies occurring in the world. So I regret to inform you I will not be making any sort of forced comment about how sorry I feel for you and putting up a facade like I will actually care once I close this tab as I'm sure many others have.
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lets all jump on the guy whose brother just shot himself shall we
i really don't see why you guys are bitching; he posted a thread about something major that happened in his life and even if he is fishing for condolences that is merely the natural human reaction to such STAGGERING LOSS. if one of my family members died i don't know how the hell i would react so i don't think it's exactly good of any of you to jump on him about it
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He has already been warned for it (although I disagree with the warn)
I don't get how you can diagree with the warn. Regardless of whether it was a joke or not, it was inappropriate given the situation (he admitted that himself).
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lets all jump on the guy whose brother just shot himself shall we
i really don't see why you guys are bitching; he posted a thread about something major that happened in his life and even if he is fishing for condolences that is merely the natural human reaction to such STAGGERING LOSS. if one of my family members died i don't know how the hell i would react so i don't think it's exactly good of any of you to jump on him about it
Well, it seems to adopt the idea that because something terrible happened to him he is absolved of all his sins and is free to do whatever he pleases! And although people are probably going to jump on that as "WAY OUT THERE" I really don't think it's too far off. I mean, obviously some sympathy can be shown for a person (and possibly friend) whom has gone through such a personal tragedy, but how far does the sympathy go? A topic that promotes no discussion other than "i feel bad for u" is pretty pointless, and so my real question is just: why make one? And if he IS fishing for condolences, I think the appropriate response would be to demonstrate that shouldn't be an acceptable behaviour. This is something he has to deal with on an individual level. And he will grow and change through the experience.
EDIT: Kindness and firmness are not mutually exclusive.
EDIT 2: I never read the first page in its entirety, but now I see that he even linked articles to the death of his brother. Maybe this should be an example of what not to do when your brother dies. It makes me feel even more like someone is just looking for attention (rather than truly dealing with the loss of someone close), which may not be a purposefully aggressive act for power of some kind but avoidance which isn't good either. Some of you may adopt the idea that the person has to deal with it in their own way, which is fine, but they should still be obeying some sort of social contract or guide not only if they wish to remain a part of that social entity but also for individual integrity.
I also can't help but feel that if the article had been randomly posted the responses would've been radically different. Instead of "hard drugs suck man, I'm sorry" you would see "HAHA STUPID DRUGGIE!" or "That guy deserves 1000x more punishment. He ruined his life he should be alive to pay for it!" So I'm not sure what upsets me more: making the topic that seems to be looking for attention in a morbid way, or the fact that most of you, and I could be wrong here, don't really give two shits beyond your own ass what happened, yet you make it out like you actually do care.
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Well, it seems to adopt the idea that because something terrible happened to him he is absolved of all his sins and is free to do whatever he pleases!
Um, this seems like pretty big conclusion to jump to, I can't see the admins/mods looking the other way just because of this. It seems to me like you're saying "We shouldn't care about this because he's going to use it as an excuse to break the rules!"
This is something he has to deal with on an individual level. And he will grow and change through the experience.
I agree he has to learn to deal with it on his own (as in no one else can really influence how well he takes it), but he doesn't have to be a fucking loner while he's doing it. Some people like to have human interaction when a tragedy happens (and yes, although we are on computer, this is still human interaction).
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Um, this seems like pretty big conclusion to jump to, I can't see the admins/mods looking the other way just because of this. It seems to me like you're saying "We shouldn't care about this because he's going to use it as an excuse to break the rules!"
No, and that's exactly what I meant by making a huge leap in my post. I didn't want it to be interpreted like that. Anyways, I've updated the post with a few edits, and this is the last I'll make in this topic.
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So! Sorry about your brother man. That's absolutely terrible. Take care of yourself.
(lock topic?) jkk
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Guys, can you please go back on topic.... it's kinda mean for the guy.
Anyways, good luck easing back into your life, and post here anytime if you need it. Take it slow though
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lets all jump on the guy whose brother just shot himself shall we
i really don't see why you guys are bitching; he posted a thread about something major that happened in his life and even if he is fishing for condolences that is merely the natural human reaction to such STAGGERING LOSS. if one of my family members died i don't know how the hell i would react so i don't think it's exactly good of any of you to jump on him about it
in what way is FISHING FOR CONDOLENCES a natural human way to deal with grief/loss?
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in what way is FISHING FOR CONDOLENCES a natural human way to deal with grief/loss?
yeah, you know, if it was just the topic and not NEWS LINKS I wouldn't feel kind of grossed out but it is UPDATES: BRO DEATH NEWSPAPER and that is kind of fucked.
I mean, I don't like this shit anyways but sometimes if you know the people involved it's okay for them to be like "guys dude :( " but even then blah blah IM A HEARTLESS DICK GO BURN A BABBY.
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yeah, you know, if it was just the topic and not NEWS LINKS I wouldn't feel kind of grossed out but it is UPDATES: BRO DEATH NEWSPAPER and that is kind of fucked.
I mean, I don't like this shit anyways but sometimes if you know the people involved it's okay for them to be like "guys dude :( " but even then blah blah IM A HEARTLESS DICK GO BURN A BABBY.
To be honest I was waiting for you to reply in this topic. I am like a panther in the bush, at night, in the jungle.
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well this is awful and i'm sorry but
really dude why are you on the internet posting articles about it and changing your member title and stuff? you should go GRIEVE or spend time with your family or something that doesn't involve chatting with random internet people about it. i don't know, i guess you can do whatever you want, but if my brother died i feel like the last thing i would want to do is get on the internet and chat about it with strangers. you should take some time for yourself.
I dunno, some people feel better doing familiar things. I know when terrible things have happened in my life it helps to keep a sense of normality - browse forums, play games and so on. There's gonna be times when you're gonna punch walls and break down, but I can't fault him for hanging around.
My condolences man, it pains me to think how bad you must feel at the moment. Keep your head up.
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Dude...that's awful. There is nothing else that can be said. It's just awful.
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I don't get how you can diagree with the warn. Regardless of whether it was a joke or not, it was inappropriate given the situation (he admitted that himself).
sure, I agree it was inappropriate. I still don't think it deserves a warn because he didn't mean to hurt him, regardless if he did or not.
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sure, I agree it was inappropriate. I still don't think it deserves a warn because he didn't mean to hurt him, regardless if he did or not.
He probably didn't mean to hurt him, but he sure as hell gave it very little thought. Either that, or he is just cynical. The warn should jog his memory next time.
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I`m very sorry for you dude. I hope you get over it soon.
Good luck.
God, we have some freaking heartless mother fuckers on these forums! Can ANYBODY here tell me that they read this guys first post and were like "eh... whatever...". If so you REALLLLLY need to go kill yourself or some shit. This guy just lost his brother! A guy you grew up with and have shared your thoughts and feelings with! You want the fucking "reason" why he made this topic?
Because his brother died! Need more reason than that you fucking heartless cock sucker!
And you know, even IF you don`t care. Even if you think this topic is stupid, just keep it to your freaking self! This guy is a member of this forum and the LEAST we can do as fellow forum members is post something nice to the guy who just lost a loved one close to him.
EDIT: I don`t like to use swear words on forums for no particular reason but you people actually maneged to piss me off...
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sure, I agree it was inappropriate. I still don't think it deserves a warn because he didn't mean to hurt him, regardless if he did or not.
this is why when my dog bit my arm off because i was holding a steak we didn't punish it
(this wasnt serious dont hurt me with words)
I really don't know what there is to say in this situation, except, uh, Good luck, stay strong, sorry for your loss.
No idea what I'd do if this happened to me, no idea.....
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God, we have some freaking heartless mother fuckers on these forums! Can ANYBODY here tell me that they read this guys first post and were like "eh... whatever...". If so you REALLLLLY need to go kill yourself or some shit.
yeah that's exactly what i thought, actually.
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this is why when my dog bit my arm off because i was holding a steak we didn't punish it
fallacious analogy
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yeah that's exactly what i thought, actually.
There people go again, being a dick...
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He probably didn't mean to hurt him, but he sure as hell gave it very little thought. Either that, or he is just cynical. The warn should jog his memory next time.
he doesn't believe in warns at all, just fyi.
I`m very sorry for you dude. I hope you get over it soon.
Good luck.
God, we have some freaking heartless mother fuckers on these forums! Can ANYBODY here tell me that they read this guys first post and were like "eh... whatever...". If so you REALLLLLY need to go kill yourself or some shit. This guy just lost his brother! A guy you grew up with and have shared your thoughts and feelings with! You want the fucking "reason" why he made this topic?
Because his brother died! Need more reason than that you fucking heartless cock sucker!
And you know, even IF you don`t care. Even if you think this topic is stupid, just keep it to your freaking self! This guy is a member of this forum and the LEAST we can do as fellow forum members is post something nice to the guy who just lost a loved one close to him.
EDIT: I don`t like to use swear words on forums for no particular reason but you people actually maneged to piss me off...
because some of us have lost family and friends too, and the thought of using their memory for a forum topic disgusts me. I'd rather be percieved as a dick and hope that if he's actually using this topic because he has no one else than a bunch of complete strangers he's barely talked to, he might seek professional help (fyi the idea that OH HE CAN BROWSE STILL falls apart when he's editing his member title and posting news updates all about that singular topic instead of just fucking around per usual).
I don't like posting this stuff because yeah man, grief can be expressed in a lot of forms, but you have to realize similarly it offends those of us who do have dead family or just in general respect the dead, especially in one as strangely brutal and confused as this. it kind of bothers me that he was hanging around posting news articles and editing his member title just a few hours after the fact instead of posting the topic and then fucking off for a while. at best it's an incredibly unhealthy way to grieve, at worst it's incredibly offensive to the dead brother!
most people who lose family or friends at GW tend to post a Farewell topic, knowing they will be really fucked up for a while and not in the mood for internet forums, which is really kind of part of the normal grieving process. sticking around and posting article links on how your brother tried to shoot someone else, combined with how none of us really know Elighja at all, and it's not hard to see why a few people have said "jesus christ man go home don't talk to us dude".
but you know, all of you offering empty condolences (and don't lie, because I am pretty sure most of you don't know Eligjah from Adam) are somehow the good ones because you're encouraging what anyone with a bit of sense would see is a really poor way of dealing with a death in the family. it doesn't matter who does that or how well known they are, because that's just not healthy at all!
Elighja if you read this please do not take offense but similarly please do go and talk to your family and loved ones instead of the internet. you need to talk to people who knew your brother, not seek sympathy from e-people that you don't know, because we can only offer so much and it's all essentially hollow.
you REALLLLLY need to go kill yourself or some shit
get banned you worthless little piece of shit. how the fuck do you dare say something like that and then claim you're just helping poor Elighja grieve?
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get banned you worthless little piece of shit. how the fuck do you dare say something like that and then claim you're just helping poor Elighja grieve?
Your right about that. That was really stupid of me to say. (Please don`t ban me)
Yes I can understand people say that posting this is stupid. The thing that bothers me is that instead of just giving a condolence, doesn`t matter how hollow, they actually say "This is stupid, etc".
A lot of us here on GW are smart people. Smart in the sense that we often take logic over feelings. And indeed the most "logical" thing to do is say that this topic is stupid. Problem is that sometimes it comes of as plain cruel.
it shouldn`t be THAT hard to get even the slitest of understanding of how Elighja feels. Imagine, a close friend died and you just post it on a forum you go to. No real reason, just because, you know, just because. And in come people saying this is stupid and all...
Is it so hard for us to just think: "you know what, let I not be a dick by saying I don`t care, I`ll just give my empty condolence and run off." Is it really that hard to do this?
The posting of articles was kinda strange though, but maybe it was for people that don`t believe him.
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fallacious analogy
which is why I said it wasnt serious :(
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I don't even know what to say to some of you people. Some of you are just really cold hearted. I will remember this if someone close to you or a loved one passes away. I will remember this and quote your stupid words from your posts and send it in a pm to you. Just so you would understand how your retarded posts make me feel. In a way I guess this thread was made so that I would tell ppl i would be gone for a while but also everything was in such a shock coz i think i posted this the day I found out. Since I was in such a shock I didn't know what to do. Try being in my position, try understanding the way I feel. Its worse than dieing, and when people say stupid things dieing does cross your mind. You feel like you lost it all and you ask yourself, why am i still living? so you search for an answer. I wish some of you cold hearted people only knew half of what I felt. I would gladly give it to you just so you understand. But I cant ramble on about this forever but is not going to change anything. Even though some of your condolences didn't mean anything to you it still meant something to me. Thank you!!!
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Wow, I didn't realize this topic was still even being posted in. Anyways, Steel pretty much summed up my entire position as concisely and politely as it could be done. Thanks, even though I highly doubt you were doing it for me, haha!
And to the person who told him to KILL HIMSELF: seriously, fuck off. I mean, I understand that his loss shouldn't justify breaking any sort of unwritten social code of ethics, and if someone is doing this it should be dealt with appropriately not by telling them to kill themselves. Seriously.
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It really isn't such a big deal that he's posting about this on a forum. Some of you wouldn't consider doing it, and neither would I, but I imagine that when something so devastating as this happens, there's no telling how you'll react. I also don't consider it to be unsightly or disrespectful to his brother. It's just a forum post, after all.
And Elighja, whatever you do, just remember that you can be above everybody who posted rude replies to this topic. There's no need to mock anyone in case something like this happens to them. Though you're facing a difficult time right now, you need to remember that you are a person who's capable of thinking rationally and conducting yourself the way you should. Like I said before, your life hasn't stopped. Don't fall into a ditch over this.
(Maybe this topic should be locked by now.)
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Man, I don't think he is fishing for condolences guys, or seeks ANYTHING FROM THIS. It's something to get off HIS BACK not to make YOU CARE. One could perceive is like talking to a wall but, what's wrong with that man? I see it as 2 ways to make one feel better. Talking with others, and then just getting it off your chest whether it be typing or just talking to one's self!
I also think that he posted the newslinks to PROVE it was true, and that he isn't a worthless piece of shit liar(as he proved in the past, but people change!).
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Dada is right. This topic has been going downhill for a while now. Elighja, even though I'm locking it, you can still PM me or any of the other members who offered if you need to talk or vent some feelings.