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Title: Tabs
Post by: zithe on January 20, 2008, 10:51:58 pm
Who here likes queen? *raises hand* Who here thinks they are the best thing to hit the world? *raises hand* :D

What is your favorite song?



(Does anyone have the tabs for the song "Dancer" on the album "Hot Space" by queen? If you do, please email me at
[email protected]

Thanks, if this is in the wrong spot, sorry lol.)
Title: Tabs
Post by: Pepoke on January 21, 2008, 12:15:53 am
I like queen, but I dont necessarily think they are the best thing to hit the music world.
Also you should learn songs by ear. No I dont have tabs.
Title: Tabs
Post by: Hyprogriff on January 21, 2008, 01:07:14 am
Ultimate Guitar (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/)
911Tabs (http://www.911tabs.com/)

Also check out cyberfret.com (http://www.cyberfret.com/). Really good (free) guitar lessons and articles.
Title: Tabs
Post by: cowardknower on January 21, 2008, 02:02:04 am
wholenote.com has lots of good tabs of lessons/learning tracks for learning to play in certain styles.
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Post by: Fatboys #4 on January 21, 2008, 02:15:27 am
Yeah queen isn't the best thing to hit the world at least to me. I agree that a lot of older bands helped in developing newer styles and to them I pay my respects, however, I think everyone just finds certain bands that impact their lives and those are the ones most personal to us.
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Post by: cowardknower on January 21, 2008, 02:18:17 am
oh yeah, queen, thats right.  that was the start of this topic.  queen=pretty cool.  i really like their song "lazing on a sunday afternoon" for some reason.
Title: Tabs
Post by: Pepoke on January 21, 2008, 02:33:01 am
May I remind you...98% of the tabs you find on the interent are somehow wrong
Title: Tabs
Post by: Wash Cycle on January 21, 2008, 04:03:12 am
May I remind you...98% of the tabs you find on the interent are somehow wrong
that and they also force you into a particular interpretation of a song which is ick

reading sheet music opens so much more room for creativity and octave switching and different voicings, but you get none of that with tab. 00000000
Title: Tabs
Post by: blood hell on January 21, 2008, 09:56:09 am
You guys gotta realise that not everyone starting to play guitar has a great ear that can figure stuff out on their own, or have lots of theory knowledge and they probably will ignore you and go for tabs anyway
Title: Tabs
Post by: Wash Cycle on January 21, 2008, 02:02:04 pm
You guys gotta realise that not everyone starting to play guitar has a great ear that can figure stuff out on their own, or have lots of theory knowledge and they probably will ignore you and go for tabs anyway
then they should learn the fundamentals of not only music but their instrument as well before trying to play songs
Title: Tabs
Post by: Bravo on January 21, 2008, 05:18:23 pm
then they should learn the fundamentals of not only music but their instrument as well before trying to play songs
but that's boring
Title: Tabs
Post by: tomohawkjoe on January 21, 2008, 05:24:04 pm
then they should learn the fundamentals of not only music but their instrument as well before trying to play songs
I agree with you to a certain extent. Yes, learning the fundamentals is important, but not required. There have been several musicians who can just naturally pick things up by ear without the need of sheet music or tabs. I think tabs a re a good introduction to understanding music. Eventually, the musician will want to improvise or learn more about why the tabs work, and they'll start digging into learning music theory. They'll want to know why somethings in music work. Eventually, they'll want to learn more about music without the use of tabs. I think tabs are good for those who are just starting. Plus, sheet music isn't something you pick up over night. Tabs are fairly easy to pick up, sheet music takes some dedication. But, like I said, once they immerse themselves in music theory and the whole mechanics of music, they'll probably want to learn how to do some sight reading. Knowing music theory and how to read music is NOT required. It certainly is a incredibly helpful tool into having a more solid understanding of why things work the way they do in music, but its certainly not required. Also, I second ultimate-guitar. Its a pretty good site. I'd recommend taking a glance at the music theory FAQ.
http://ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=503032
Great lessons for getting into music theory.
Title: Tabs
Post by: Mince Wobley on January 21, 2008, 09:01:30 pm
Hello since his tabs are so easy to find, why don't we like post heavy metal licks here????

I begin with a generic pentatonic one


E||--10-13-10----10-13-10----10-13-10-13-10----10----|

B||-----------13----------13----------------13----13-|

G||--------------------------------------------------|

D||--------------------------------------------------|

A||--------------------------------------------------|

E||--------------------------------------------------|





                                                                       

---------------------------------------------|------------------------||

--10-13-10----10-----------------------------|------------------------||

-----------12----12-10-12-10----10-----------|------------------------||

-----------------------------12----12-10-7~--|--7--7--10--12~---------||

---------------------------------------------|------------------------||

---------------------------------------------|------------------------||

Title: Tabs
Post by: Shepperd on January 22, 2008, 03:13:45 am
pòsting tabs is illegal or something I think.
At least several forums I know cant post tabs because I duno why. that R--- acronym thing did something I thinlk

btw, WC you're quite the snob, shut up and play yer geetar (oh wait you just play bongos)
Title: Tabs
Post by: Wash Cycle on January 22, 2008, 03:17:03 pm
btw, WC you're quite the snob, shut up and play yer geetar (oh wait you just play bongos)
*djembe

and congas and vibes/marimba and cello and bass and drumset

also I dont believe advocating for teaching people to play their instruments correctly makes one a snob. I just get tired of hearing people who cant do shit on their instrument (as in the band I am in has not been able to find a bassist because they're all tab-self-taught and they cant think musically outside of playing exactly what is written and it is extremely frustrating)
Title: Tabs
Post by: Ryan on January 22, 2008, 06:55:03 pm
that and they also force you into a particular interpretation of a song which is ick

reading sheet music opens so much more room for creativity and octave switching and different voicings, but you get none of that with tab. 00000000

this may be true, however if you're trying to cover a song or learn a particular artists style covering the song note for note can be quite beneficial.
Title: Tabs
Post by: tuxedo marx on January 22, 2008, 07:22:57 pm
Quote
(as in the band I am in has not been able to find a bassist because they're all tab-self-taught and they cant think musically outside of playing exactly what is written and it is extremely frustrating)
wash cycle where are you lets go!
Title: Tabs
Post by: bonzi_buddy on January 25, 2008, 06:56:24 am
btw, WC you're quite the snob, shut up and play yer geetar (oh wait you just play bongos)

Tabs are the easiest medium currently when it comes to playing the guitar, the bloody ear and theory fundamentals can come later! I couldn't hear things for shit weren't i had practised guitar for enough time. Tabs are a good, important tool for the progress of a beginning guitarist.
I can do things my way now but i couldn't get to this point without tabs!
Title: Tabs
Post by: blood hell on January 25, 2008, 03:57:24 pm
Also if everyone who wanted to play an instrument had to go through theory lessons and stuff would get very bored and quit because, get this, THEY WANT TO PLAY. I learned to play all of my instruments before learning any theory at all (These include trumpet, piano, guitar, bass, drums, clarinets, sax, etc..). If the person really loves to play and create music (something they will find out from playing) then they will make the initiative to learn theory and better themselves.
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Post by: Shepperd on January 25, 2008, 05:26:40 pm
If the person really loves to play and create music (something they will find out from playing) then they will make the initiative to learn theory and better themselves.
haha, that's not me
Title: Tabs
Post by: Ryan on January 25, 2008, 07:07:04 pm
haha, that's not me

if you're really dedicated to music you would learn theory.
Title: Tabs
Post by: Mince Wobley on January 25, 2008, 08:50:04 pm
But what if there's no theory for what he wants to do?
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Post by: tuxedo marx on January 25, 2008, 09:13:34 pm
But what if there's no theory for what he wants to do?
Please find me any music that has no theory behind it.
Title: Tabs
Post by: Ryan on January 25, 2008, 10:45:55 pm
But what if there's no theory for what he wants to do?

what the fuck does this mean
Title: Tabs
Post by: Mince Wobley on January 25, 2008, 11:05:26 pm
Please find me any music that has no theory behind it.

Shepperd music
Title: Tabs
Post by: tuxedo marx on January 25, 2008, 11:10:05 pm
Please find me any music that has no theory behind it.
Shepperd's music is technically musical, so it has a certain base musical theory behind it, even if Shepperd hasn't learnt the intricacies of musical theory.
Title: Tabs
Post by: Mince Wobley on January 25, 2008, 11:24:02 pm
So if a chimpanzee hits random keys on a piano (I'm not calling you a monkey Shepperd) it has musical theory behind it, even if the chimp didn't learn theory?

BTW it would be funny to do that

Here, what is the theory behind this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ860P4iTaM
Title: Tabs
Post by: blood hell on January 25, 2008, 11:37:16 pm
haha, that's not me

Yeah I realize that and knew it when i posted it. It doesnt apply to all musicians (like jimi hendrex or flea), but at least they knew about shapes and how to make things that sounded good to them. when i am jamming with my friends I am not thinking about "ok playt a 9th chord here and then you play the 13th and then ill diminish this chord and ssdlsdf;gsg" I am just thinking about making good music and whatever flows out of me naturally is what I get. the only time i apply theory is if i am actually writing jazz chord progressions or something, but i dont even like doing that much, i prefer to just play modally or something and let everyone develope their own music how they want
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Post by: cowardknower on January 25, 2008, 11:39:29 pm
While that cat isnt doing anything consciously with theory, you can explain everything she does in that video through it.  theory was NEVER intended to dictate how to write music.  theory EXPLAINS how music works.  open your mind man.
Title: Tabs
Post by: tuxedo marx on January 25, 2008, 11:44:23 pm
So if a chimpanzee hits random keys on a piano (I'm not calling you a monkey Shepperd) it has musical theory behind it, even if the chimp didn't learn theory?
No, because it wouldn't be musical.
Title: Tabs
Post by: Mince Wobley on January 26, 2008, 12:10:41 am
But what if it was a person instead of a chimp who played exactly the same thing?
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Post by: Shepperd on January 26, 2008, 12:16:08 am
Musical is anything man. As pretentious as it may sound. I can bang some shit with a hammer and call the output "Bolero of Xena" and it is musical. Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music is musical. John Cage 4:33 is musical, despite the 4:33 of silence. yeah it sounds horribly pretentious but you can't deny it. If you deny it, you're narrow minded.

Also Ryan, yeah. I also know some shapes, I can also read sheet music, but I choose not to because it bores the shit out of me and I rather play my instruments as a way to channel my inmediate emotions.


edit: also Inri Cheetos, everything I do can be explained through theory.
In fact, back then when I had a geetar profesor, I showed him my music and he was like "play that again" and would figure out what I was doing and explain everything I did through theory even though I was completely negligent at it.
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Post by: Mince Wobley on January 26, 2008, 12:28:28 am
Yes shepperd but what theories do you use to create it? You can analyse anything any way you want but what really matters in this case is how it's made
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Post by: Shepperd on January 26, 2008, 12:44:28 am
I just start from the shapes I know and just explore from there
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Post by: jamie on January 26, 2008, 01:19:08 am
yeah i am like shepperd. i don't really know anything about theory other than chord names and stuff i have thought up for myself. and all of that is just vague "this is how i do it" kind of rules. and sometimes, i'm all like fuck "this is how i do it" and bust out something completely flopped-out! maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.

although, really, i'm starting to get extremely dissatisfied with the music i've been making (generally at least), so maybe it's time i looked to...the masters.
Title: Tabs
Post by: Pepoke on January 26, 2008, 03:22:32 am
Here, what is the theory behind this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ860P4iTaM

Have you ever heard of chromatics?
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Post by: tomohawkjoe on January 26, 2008, 05:08:16 pm
Yes shepperd but what theories do you use to create it? You can analyse anything any way you want but what really matters in this case is how it's made
Theory is was not created to bind you to a certain way of playing, it was used to help you understand why things in music sound the way they are. You know that old saying if you know all the rules, then you know to break them. That can apply to theory. Its not to dictate your playing, but to help you understand music. You don't need to know theory to create music, but it definitely helps. Its a great tool to help you communicate with other musicians as well.
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Post by: Mince Wobley on January 26, 2008, 06:28:04 pm
Have you ever heard of chromatics?

Chromaticism is when you play notes that aren't in the scale you're using right now but this does not apply to atonal harmony and improvisation methods
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Post by: tuxedo marx on January 26, 2008, 06:30:32 pm
That is a cat "playing" (leaning on and then pawing) a piano. How on earth does it relate to this discussion?
Title: Tabs
Post by: Mince Wobley on January 26, 2008, 07:13:03 pm
It relates in that it  is music with no theory

And it is cute
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Post by: tuxedo marx on January 26, 2008, 11:46:10 pm
It is not music, so it is irrelevant. Music is a solely human domain.
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Post by: Pepoke on January 26, 2008, 11:54:36 pm
Chromaticism is when you play notes that aren't in the scale you're using right now but this does not apply to atonal harmony and improvisation methods
If youre saying that the cat is using "atonal harmonies" and "improvising", then your applying what its doing to theory.

And instead of asking "Does this music have theory?", we should now as "Is this music?"[no music=no][/no]. As far as Im concerned, no. My definition of music, from my own experience, is "a series of sounds pleasing to the ear". Im pretty sure your the only one here inri who finds what that cat is doing "pleasing to the ear", so its really only your problem to apply theory to it, because none of us really care to do so.
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Post by: Mince Wobley on January 27, 2008, 12:06:48 am
Of course it is, even just noise is music according to some people
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Post by: Shepperd on January 27, 2008, 12:16:36 am
It is not music, so it is irrelevant. Music is a solely human domain.
so not true.
Birds sing
and it is pretty musical man
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Post by: tuxedo marx on January 27, 2008, 12:37:16 am
Well, not really, because there isn't thought behind it, it's just their vocalisation. With all music, there is an element of thought behind it. It certainly does sound pleasant and melodious to our ears, but so do a lot of sounds. Does that make them musical without context?
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Post by: Lyndon on January 27, 2008, 04:07:31 pm
from what I've been taught at my university is that music is basically organised sound. So in theory any sound can be music if you claim it to be. Just as any physical object can be claimed as being art by the artist.

The cat playing the piano is by definition 'music' whether it sounds good or not is down to opinion. Whether there is theory to the piece is saying that there is some formula to the cat's random playing. If you believe this, then you have to question that everything that seems to be 'random' can be worked out using some sort of theory. For instance a feather falling down in the wind. It seems to be random, but can it be explained by some theory or formula?  Some Jewish scholars seem to think so......(the movie pi lol)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/216_(number)
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Post by: the_hoodie on January 28, 2008, 01:11:55 am
Ok quick question that has nothing to do with tabs but with guitar.

Why does my 6th string always have vibrato whenever I pluck it? It has a metallic sort of ring to it near the end of notes. It's hard to explain but maybe someone knows what I'm talking about and can help me.
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Post by: Mince Wobley on January 28, 2008, 01:19:41 am
It must be a fret buzz the hoodie
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Post by: tomohawkjoe on January 28, 2008, 01:20:17 am
Might be intonation
Don't really know though.
Title: Tabs
Post by: the_hoodie on January 28, 2008, 01:21:59 am
It must be a fret buzz the hoodie
What is this and how do I fix it? (Sorry, I just started playing guitar)
Title: Tabs
Post by: Lyndon on January 28, 2008, 02:03:51 am
its usually to do with the quality of your guitar strings. replace them or something.
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Post by: Ryan on January 28, 2008, 04:03:20 am
its usually to do with the quality of your guitar strings. replace them or something.

no, not really. if it is fret buzz it has to do with his guitar's setup. take it to a local music shop and see if they can fix your action and intonation
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Post by: Lyndon on January 28, 2008, 01:40:56 pm
and the first thing they will ask you is "How old are the strings?"

Often the problem is solved by changing the strings. If not, then it might be a more permanent problem to do with the intonation.
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Post by: Shepperd on January 28, 2008, 02:30:49 pm
yeah, it might be just the oxidation of the string
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Post by: Mince Wobley on January 28, 2008, 04:41:52 pm
He could just be playing it too hard.