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Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Stedar on January 21, 2008, 03:45:26 am
...Anyway, this game looks awesome. It's a step up from Final Fantasy III DS, but I enjoy that one a lot too. I really really hope they release this one here in the U.S. There has been some talk about it, but after a few hours of searching around, I couldn't really find any exact evidence.

Although I'm pissed that I bought the gameboy advance one which sucks in comparison to this one...

This has always been my favorite Final Fantasy game, starring some of the coolest classes in the FF series, a Dark Knight -> , and a Dragoon. Cecil and Kain were always the best.

I hope there's someone else who shares my enthusiasm.

FFIV: THE GOOD:
-Improved GFX from the GBA and SNES version as well as better than that of FFIII.
-New ability learning system, where you can learn the abilities of a member who has left the party.
-The plot has been improved to be even better, more of the original script has been used.

THE BAD:
-Unsure if there really are any new areas or parts of the game never before released.
-Because of so many new enemies added, polygons were removed making GFX not as good as could be, but still pretty good.
-They had a hard time fitting the data on a DS card. (YOU KNOW THEY CRAMMED AND REMOVED STUFF, PEOPLE!)
- (More to come as I think about it more!)



THE... Well, THE NEUTRAL I guess.
-Voice acting in main cutscenes. -Can be turned off. Good or bad?
-Up to 5 enemies in battle now.


Screenshots/Pictures: (They're JPGS!)


Videos:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ga7RZZNo8m0

more to come...
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Sarah on January 21, 2008, 03:49:13 am
hehehe i am also pretty excited for this


nice pix btw i really like that last one
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Eltee on January 21, 2008, 03:53:19 am
hehehahhhahah hilarious


its a cat holding a ds




hoylfuck

Appart from the terribly gay graphics, I guess this is ok. I have a special (and I mean special(beacuse it is not I ADORE or I HATE because it is a special relationship(because ff4 is a terrible game(but i really like it)))) spot for ff4 in my heart.
Hopefully this is better than the half-assed GBA port.
Which was infact worse than the original SNES game.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: UPRC on January 21, 2008, 05:32:15 am
I wouldn't mind playing FF4 in 3D.. I'll definitely pick it up when it comes over here.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Marcus on January 21, 2008, 09:25:39 am
why does cid have nigger lips?

I probably won't play it because I thought FFIV's battle system was HORRENDOUS.  If they can actually fix all the broken elements like stupid useless character skills (HIDE?  NO THANK U!  GUARD DOESNT ACTUALLY RAISE MY DEFENSE ANY?  PRAY DOESNT LEVEL UP WITH THE PARTY???) I might actually play it.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: watermelon's on January 21, 2008, 09:53:35 am
I remember beating FFIV in 19 hours, then my friend coming over with the "hard" version xD

Either way, beautiful graphics and new cutscenes dont really interest me. With all the shit SE has released lately, Im really not hyped for this. I mean, they've already released FFVI:Adv so whats the point of anymore subpar FF remakes when I can just pick that up?
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Kaworu on January 21, 2008, 11:49:26 am
well FF3 DS was terrible, but I am well aware that's due to FF3 being a terrible game, FF4 I have heard better things aboutt so I might get it, I dunno I'll wait til I see more about it.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Shadowtext on January 21, 2008, 03:20:51 pm
why does cid have nigger lips?

I probably won't play it because I thought FFIV's battle system was HORRENDOUS.  If they can actually fix all the broken elements like stupid useless character skills (HIDE?  NO THANK U!  GUARD DOESNT ACTUALLY RAISE MY DEFENSE ANY?  PRAY DOESNT LEVEL UP WITH THE PARTY???) I might actually play it.
Just based on my experiences with FF3DS, I'd say it's pretty likely that all of that will be addressed.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: EvilDemonCreature on January 21, 2008, 08:56:59 pm
No... no... I'm not interested in this.


But thanks though.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Myake on January 21, 2008, 09:06:43 pm
Aww. I'm going to have to get this, just to see what it's like... though it does look interesting. Didn't like FFIII DS though, the whole 3d-ness and interface of it, so... haven't got high hopes.

Might be alright though, but I'd rather see old FFs made for PSP gloriously sprited like I and II were than made for DS in mediocre 3d. If they give V and VI the same treatment, I will cry.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: dada on January 21, 2008, 10:28:23 pm
well FF3 DS was terrible, but I am well aware that's due to FF3 being a terrible game
You gotta be kidding. I've only just started in FF3 DS, but FF3 for NES was one of the best games of its time.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Cyberg-Ares on January 21, 2008, 11:51:19 pm
I've played the DS version till the first boss. That mist dragon. I think it's a step backwards. It looks worse than FF3 because it uses full - bland - 3d backgrounds, and the the game is now on the top screen, whick means stylus control is a little weird, and battles can't be controlled with the stylus no more... maybe it'll be added in the english release. I was impressed by the video sequences and voice acting, but would have prefered less video sequences for more voice acting, or characters with more polygons.

I really like how they've added story to the gamethat was cut out, even though I haven't been able to enjoy it, thanks to my lack of Japanese speaking-...ness...

I liked Tales of Innocence better. Although the english dub will probably be far worse there... At least FFTA2 won't feature voice acting...
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Feldschlacht IV on January 22, 2008, 12:02:52 am
I'm not really too enthusiastic about this, but I was willing to give it a chance, until I read this comment by someone who's played the Japanese version on another forum.

Quote
I'm disappointed.

What was hyped, accidental or not, was that 75% was cut from the original story. But nothing new in terms of story has been added to the game.

There are no new playable characters, in fact, you can only use the final five at the end. Those who would like to use more than this will have to wait for hackers to create codes.

The decant abilities are nice but I don't think they begin to make up for only being able to use the same party as the SNES version which is about 13 years old. This is a far cry compared to what could have been done with the game.

The movie features a new battle, Golbez + 4 Emperors vs Cecil and his party. This battle does not happen in the game. Thanks, Square, for tantalizing us with stuff you aren't going to use!

There's a new feature, a stupid looking white doll (Poochika, official English translation unknown) that offers minigames and can be used in the auto battle. I think most of us would prefer a character that doesn't look like one from our little sister's closet?



Those who have never played the game before may want to give this a shot. It's still better than the new stuff Square-Enix has been churning out for the past 10 years. Those who are big fans of the game like I am will be very disappointed, as this is hardly a re-done version of FF4, so much as it is a watered down FF4 Advance with polygons instead of sprites.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Aten on January 22, 2008, 12:05:57 am
Man, why the fuck do GOOD things like this come out on DS, its like they forgot that there is the  PSP too. Fucking square.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Liman on January 22, 2008, 12:24:57 am
Man, why the fuck do GOOD things like this come out on DS, its like they forgot that there is the  PSP too. Fucking square.

What? PSP gets Crisis Core and Tactics? You feel left out?  :mad:
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Aten on January 22, 2008, 12:53:29 am
I want ALL of it. Seriously, this looks MORE FUN then crisis core, and tactics is boring as.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: SW on January 22, 2008, 01:04:21 am
The only thing I like on this remake is the graphical approach (liking the style and art, in fact, I am waiting for the artworks of the characters (the "chibi" (sort of) ones, not the actual amano pic)).

Other than that, not excited that much.

EDIT : moreso after Feldschlacht IV's post (if the rumors are true that is).
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: fatty on January 22, 2008, 12:19:24 pm
I want ALL of it. Seriously, this looks MORE FUN then crisis core, and tactics is boring as.
I am beginning to dislike you :fogetsmile:
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Liman on January 22, 2008, 01:27:06 pm
Quote
What was hyped, accidental or not, was that 75% was cut from the original story. But nothing new in terms of story has been added to the game.

Maybe they realized why the cut it in the first place? Who knows.
I hardly remember the story so playing this again with new graphics and gameplay should be enough for me.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Ultimaweapon9 on January 23, 2008, 11:54:37 pm
SquareEnix apparently knows what they're doing.  They come out with remake after remake, and yet I keep buying...I'm definitely gonna pick this one up, too.  And will continue to do so...
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Swordfish on January 24, 2008, 02:17:07 am
i'm waiting for FF6 DS to be released, IT IS AN AWESOME GAME.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: lil_Vivi on January 24, 2008, 02:37:49 am
FFIV DS was wonderful. Sadly, it still felt 2D. Like, all the towns, houses, and castles faced the same way, but still pretty good. The cutscenes were ass-kicking, voices are good too. Still, only complaint is that it's too 2D for a 3D game. FF3 seemed more of a better remake (going from NES to DS anyway), but IV is still a really good game. Oh, and the music isn't remixed. Some is, such as...

Anyway, this game was pretty good, 2D but still good.

Can't wait for V or VI!!!
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: dark_crystalis on January 24, 2008, 02:43:14 am
How many times are SE going to release the same frickin' game? They should just make some new games. Although I've heard Children of Mana is terrible and that Heroes of Mana isn't anything great... The DS needs more RPGs that are actually good.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: maladroithim on January 24, 2008, 07:10:33 pm
How many times are SE going to release the same frickin' game? They should just make some new games. Although I've heard Children of Mana is terrible and that Heroes of Mana isn't anything great... The DS needs more RPGs that are actually good.

Try Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker?  It's my favorite DS game and while it's extremely by-the-numbers, it's definitely not a straight-up remake or port and is really good.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: NES Player on January 24, 2008, 10:03:19 pm
Being a huge fan of FFVI, I'll be excited for the relase of that. As for FFIV I will likely buy it, though I didn't completed the 2D version yet. I am planning on doing that.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: dark_crystalis on January 24, 2008, 10:43:10 pm
Try Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker?  It's my favorite DS game and while it's extremely by-the-numbers, it's definitely not a straight-up remake or port and is really good.
It's the game I'm currently playing while I'm taking the train to college. It's pretty good so far, and rather difficult too. It's nothing great but it's far from bad.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: watermelon's on January 24, 2008, 10:49:24 pm
tactics is boring as.

=O
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: SpiralViper on January 24, 2008, 11:37:13 pm
How many times are SE going to release the same frickin' game? They should just make some new games. Although I've heard Children of Mana is terrible and that Heroes of Mana isn't anything great... The DS needs more RPGs that are actually good.

I must concur. There was a time when I was a huge Square fanboy, but that time is long gone. The constant storm of re-releases and overenthusiastic fan-handjobs eventually started to really grate on me. Now I'm keen on Atlus, which has some really great games and some horridly mediocre games, but the good games are genuinely good, rather than most of what Square's been pumping out lately.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Stedar on January 25, 2008, 01:29:35 am
why does cid have nigger lips?

Uh... not sure. They always fuck with his appearance though.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Ciel on January 27, 2008, 02:41:47 am
I actually don't really care about this because FFIV is really bad. Like when I played it in 1993 or whatever I thought it was great. I continued thinking that until last year when I played it again. Man, it is so awful. The story is terrible, the characters are uninteresting, the battle system is boring, the dungeon design is dull, and there are random battles literally every 2-4 steps! The whole game is just a series of crappy dungeons, with a couple lines of unremarkable dialogue in between.

*suicide bombs a fleet of airships and drops 10,000 feet into a sea of lava*
"oh, it's cool, I just need some rest"

It's like a hybrid between the more story-driven RPGs that came after it and the pure dungeon romps that came before, but it's not good at either so you never really feel satisfied. Breath of Fire I came before it (I think) and did it all better.

I enjoy ripping apart 15 year old vidoe gams.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Feldschlacht IV on January 27, 2008, 02:43:25 am
I thought the characters were the most interesting set of characters since FFIV. Cecil and Kain alone were probably more realistic and heroic in the traditional sense of the word than any Final Fantasy cast to date.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: GigasFist on January 28, 2008, 06:04:40 pm
Man, why the fuck do GOOD things like this come out on DS, its like they forgot that there is the  PSP too. Fucking square.

Except the fact, that Star Ocean 1 and 2 are being released for it, as well as Crisis Core, and KH: Birth by Sleep
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Warlin on January 29, 2008, 06:57:00 pm
If I get a new DS by the time this comes out I might buy it...
Remember, if its cold enough in your room to make your jaw spaztic its probably not the BEST idea to open your DS. ;_; R.I.P.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Brown on January 31, 2008, 03:52:37 am
i loved the ff3 remake on the ds so i'll probably love this one as well.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: FQGamer on February 03, 2008, 11:44:54 pm
this does look great. i hope they do this all the way through six. sorry people who bought the advance versions...lol.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: darkjak951 on February 04, 2008, 12:25:33 am
i'm waiting for FF6 DS to be released, IT IS AN AWESOME GAME.

its accually goin to psp :(
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Ciel on February 04, 2008, 01:37:34 am

its accually goin to psp :(

 Where did you hear this? I haven't heard of a FF6 remake yet.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: SpiralViper on February 07, 2008, 12:45:14 pm
Oh god another FF6 remake too?

$quare is really outdoing themselves!
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: lil_Vivi on February 13, 2008, 12:23:02 am
Oh god another FF6 remake too?

$quare is really outdoing themselves!

OMFG THERE WAS ALREADY A FFVI REMAKE OMG OMG OMG.


Sorry but that was a port. A crappy port.

I don't think this bump is too bad.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Yeaster on February 13, 2008, 02:20:04 am
I loved FF4 as a kid, but I don't have a DS, so I can't play this. :(

But even if I did have one, I doubt I would buy this anyway. I have it on SNES and PS1, so what's the point?
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: SpiralViper on February 14, 2008, 12:45:35 pm
OMFG THERE WAS ALREADY A FFVI REMAKE OMG OMG OMG.


Sorry but that was a port. A crappy port.

I don't think this bump is too bad.

Lol, does that really make a difference?

They're still recycling the same stuff over and over and over and over.

I really liked the first batch of remakes (yes, I consider them remakes cause they had content not in the original game, sue me), but it's extremely obvious now that Square is milking the cash cow with minimal effort. Sure there are new graphics and maybe a neat new dungeon or two, but that doesn't change the fact that it uses essentially the same script and gameplay.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Brown on February 14, 2008, 03:56:40 pm
oh man.....if there is a Chrono Trigger remake on the DS i'm going to fart with joy.

maybe thats why sqenix gave all those cease and decease letters to people making remakes of CT, because they themselves will be doing one! FFIII, FFIV, CT.


ok most of my post is false hope but IT WOULD BE SO COOOL
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: dark_crystalis on February 14, 2008, 08:51:10 pm
Just download the rom man... Squenix have to make more new games instead of always rehashing old stuff. I wonder if the new Crystal Chronicles for the DS is going to be any good for the single player. I read a preview of it and it sounded ok, it still has a chance of being really crappy like it could be awesome.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Cho on February 15, 2008, 08:26:12 pm
Lol, does that really make a difference?

They're still recycling the same stuff over and over and over and over.

I really liked the first batch of remakes (yes, I consider them remakes cause they had content not in the original game, sue me), but it's extremely obvious now that Square is milking the cash cow with minimal effort. Sure there are new graphics and maybe a neat new dungeon or two, but that doesn't change the fact that it uses essentially the same script and gameplay.

How can you possibly justify making  this argument when you're using a SMT avatar? How?
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: lil_Vivi on February 18, 2008, 03:03:02 am
I just hope they don't remake V or VI like they did III and IV. III and IV just seems as if they didn't have enough effort put into them. III and IV will always remain 2D games, unless it is fullout remade, FF12 looking... then maybe. But I don't want a remake of V or VI. Maybe an upgrade like 1 and 2 but not like 3 and 4. They deserve better than that.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Terin on February 19, 2008, 12:01:15 am
If I buy a DS, this would definitely be the reason.  I loved FF4.  The remake looks fantastic.

--Terin
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Post by: Ragnar on February 21, 2008, 02:30:37 pm
I just hope they don't remake V or VI like they did III and IV. III and IV just seems as if they didn't have enough effort put into them. III and IV will always remain 2D games, unless it is fullout remade, FF12 looking... then maybe. But I don't want a remake of V or VI. Maybe an upgrade like 1 and 2 but not like 3 and 4. They deserve better than that.

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/i176.photobucket.com/albums/w194/Celes_Cole/FFVI.png)  <---------------- That but in real-time
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Post by: EvilDemonCreature on February 22, 2008, 03:43:25 pm
I just hope they don't remake V or VI like they did III and IV. III and IV just seems as if they didn't have enough effort put into them. III and IV will always remain 2D games, unless it is fullout remade, FF12 looking... then maybe. But I don't want a remake of V or VI. Maybe an upgrade like 1 and 2 but not like 3 and 4. They deserve better than that.

Either that, or they use V or VI as a platform to really experiment with visual style. I mean it'd have to be more powerful and rich graphics-wise than 3 and 4, but to go something that's beyond simply "fullout remade". Like Wind-Waker, but in a way that reflects the game's specific storytelling style (which is why I liked Wind-Waker. I think people disagreed more with the overall storytelling style than just the graphics specifically)

I was hoping that's what was behind the graphical choices when FFIIIDS came out, but the way it was handled actually detached me more from the game than the orginal version would have.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: SpiralViper on February 25, 2008, 06:03:14 pm
How can you possibly justify making  this argument when you're using a SMT avatar? How?

Because I'm a hypocritical faggot.

Sure they reuse a ton of crap but at least they make new interesting plots to go along with the recycled junk like the SAME DAMN 3D MODELS THAT HAVE BEEN USED SINCE NOCTURNE not to mention the general DESIGNS USED SINCE SMTII. I'm not happy about how much they recycle either but I tend to deal with it cause the plotlines are always interesting and engaging to me. Not to mention that it makes a little sense as the games are meant to take place in the same universe (although of course this doesn't justify it).

Final Fantasy IV, on the other hand, is recycling a plot, which just doesn't settle well with me. I found little bits of FF4's plot to be really, really good but overall the plot was leaning towards mediocre. I wouldn't really want to play through it again no matter how much they change the graphics or fixed up the dialogue or added little pointless-but-maybe-a-little-fun-I-dunno dungeons. Once you go through a plot once it sorta loses its luster on consequent playthroughs unless it has several layers such as a western RPG like Planescape: Torment.

Not to mention it has pretty minimalistic gameplay. If it had a funner combat system or some interesting features I'd give it another chance, but if it's the same crappy ATB attack->attack->attack system I'll have to pass.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: maladroithim on February 25, 2008, 07:27:20 pm
Not to mention it has pretty minimalistic gameplay. If it had a funner combat system or some interesting features I'd give it another chance, but if it's the same crappy ATB attack->attack->attack system I'll have to pass.

One of the major advertised upgrades to this remake is that you can customize your characters' abilities, so maybe this is being addressed?
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: SpiralViper on February 25, 2008, 10:52:45 pm
I hope so.

That old guy having pretty much all spells from the get-go made the game pretty boring.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: The Dude on March 04, 2008, 05:18:57 pm
I dunno how I feel about this remake. FF3 was amazing, yes, but the graphics and story could theoretically have used the 3D boost. However, FF4 was fine. That was the start of the well-storied FFs... Why are they re-writing a classic? I don't see the point. It's like if they tried to remake FF7. They'd cut out the world map, all the minigames and deck it out to be badass like the movie. I digress... Why is FFIV in 3D damnit!? Oh wait, money.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: maladroithim on March 04, 2008, 05:33:04 pm
I dunno how I feel about this remake. FF3 was amazing, yes, but the graphics and story could theoretically have used the 3D boost. However, FF4 was fine. That was the start of the well-storied FFs... Why are they re-writing a classic? I don't see the point. It's like if they tried to remake FF7. They'd cut out the world map, all the minigames and deck it out to be badass like the movie. I digress... Why is FFIV in 3D damnit!? Oh wait, money.

Dude you KNOW you'll buy it.  Anyway I think this is by the same producer as FF3 DS so I'm pretty sure that we'll end up being surprised by how faithful it is to the original.  Personally I think a game with scenarios as neat as FFIV's (you start out as a knight in the employ of a king but by the end you invade a giant robot and destroy it's heart like you're some sort of virus or something and you go to the fricking MOON where you discover your long-lost uncle has been hibernating for centuries) really could use a retread with a little more polish and presentation.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: The Dude on March 07, 2008, 04:50:42 am
I suppose it could be reinvented. I know FFV needs a facelift as far as cinimatics go.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: PTizzle on March 07, 2008, 06:50:55 am
I'd definitely pick it up if it comes out here - I thoroughly enjoyed the remake of IV. Hopefully they do the next two as well (it's a cash cow but at least we can reap some benefits, i.e good portable RPG's)
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Lord Kamina on July 22, 2008, 07:48:37 pm
This topic is deserving of a BUMP.

I just started playing it today on my R4DS and my impressions so far:

-The voice acting is pretty good.
-They used the touch screen mainly for the map and you can't navigate the game with stylus as you did in FF3.
-Feels like they took the script and did the opposite of dumbing it down.
-The graphics are incredibly neat.
-I haven't gotten too deep in the game yet since I just started and my battery was dying, still... The NPC's dialogue is a bit more intelligent even... Even the random dancers are not so dumb anymore...

-They've ADDED A LOT OF GIMMICKS.

1) Namingway now serves like 5 different purposes, one of them being a classical "Complete the map, get rewards for it." minigame,
2) There's also a pokemon-like minigame where you basically train a pet eidolon and can make him fight in your party or against other people's eidolons via wi-fi...
3) Characters can now learn passive abilities like "Auto-Potion"
4) That's it for now.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Melee Master on July 22, 2008, 08:23:15 pm
I started playing it on my R4 last night too. I didn't go too far only past the prologue really but from what I saw, it all looks so much more... real than the SNES version did. Don't get me wrong I loved the SNES version, but I feel like I can see the game as if it were like... real. Like it would be in real life or some shit like that. (e.g. there are STAIRS in Baron?!) Anyway, I'm really enjoying it so far and I'm excited to keep playing. I'm trying to figure out if the music is exactly the same or not... haha, oh well.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on July 22, 2008, 08:26:26 pm
Yeap. This is what a remake should be.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Ryan on July 22, 2008, 09:01:25 pm
final fantasy IV was a really awful game. granted it was supposedly a GAMING FIRST in many ways but jesus it was horrible. i'm really not interested in trying this at all!
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Lord Kamina on July 22, 2008, 09:07:51 pm
I was just amazed with the dialogue from Kain and Cecil once they decide to turn against Baron, when they meet Rydia for the first time...

Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Eltee on July 22, 2008, 09:19:23 pm
final fantasy IV was a really awful game. granted it was supposedly a GAMING FIRST in many ways but jesus it was horrible. i'm really not interested in trying this at all!

I sorta feel like this, and sorta don't. FF4 (the original versions) had possibly the dumbest dialogue ever and the coherence of the story seemed lacking at parts. It was also pretty short, iirc. But, even though it was all that stupid and all that, I couldn't help but feel like it was OVERLY EPIC, and there are LOTS of things about it I love, while I know it was pretty retarded anyway. That being said, just because of those weird mixed feelings I get playing it, it's my favorite FF out of the bunch. I also love the music in it. (my two fave songs are from it, fuck ff7 LOL ONE WING DICKHOLE. this game has the prologue song(which is used in other games like the wii cc that is upcoming i think and the title screen for ff12) and )


Now, the GBA remake was terrible. It was worse than the SNES version in alot of ways, and worse than some RPGMaker games in others. It had a trait similiar to terrible rm2k games: at some points, you could step on a tile repeatedly and the event would take place again and again. Anyway..


Now this. I did expect it to be SMARTER and more PROFESSIONAL than in the past, and from what I hear, it is. I had some trouble adapting to the style at first, but I feel good about it now. I do hope the story makes alot more sense now. But then again, I wouldn't care so much.

I'm gonna try playing it on emulators, and see if it works good. :)





Hey on the topic of music, I need to find the soundtrack to this one. And try comparing. Hmmmmmmmmmm.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on July 22, 2008, 10:40:39 pm
By the way... can you pm me where you got FF4 DS from? I tried shareminer... and unless it's either 4.5mb or over 300mb... I don't think I am looking at the right one. I am going to buy the game on thursday... I just want to try it out now.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: ase on July 22, 2008, 11:00:56 pm
man... it's a shame premium members don't have their own forum to share files....... poor Chainer's gonna have to look all over the internet
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: jman00 on July 22, 2008, 11:17:23 pm
Hurrah for owning both a DS and a PSP. This game looks inviting, I never beat FFIII for the DS I got stuck against a boss. But this game should be easy because... c'mon, its Final Fantasy Fucking Four!
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Happy HELLoween on July 22, 2008, 11:23:01 pm
I just started playing this after not using my DS for quite some time, and I am kind of disappointed in the graphics. This is the type of game that could look great on a psp, there really is no reason to put it on a DS other than the bigger market share which is kind of a shame. The animations are very stale and even lacking in some areas, and the textures and models are very plain. The voice acting is pretty good though. There are also some FOV issues when they zoom in on characters. Maybe I am just used to widescreen monitors and fancy graphics, but I feel a lot of this is due to the DS's lack of power.


I also don't feel compelled at all to beat this, just to play it for like 4 hours at most to get a feel of it and see what they have done. Good thing I don't have to pay for this sh*t, because that's what it is!

(also my ds is really starting to crack pretty bad on the hinge.. plus i have the yellow tint on my bottom screen .. F____ck nintendo)


edit: I really like the menu, but I think there is another poor design choice in its speed (might even be ds lagging). It takes something like a half a second for things to slide in, it should take something like .25 sec. Stuff like this bothers me because I don't want to waste time playing game, I just want to get through it as fast as possible!
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on July 23, 2008, 12:22:53 am
man... it's a shame premium members don't have their own forum to share files....... poor Chainer's gonna have to look all over the internet

If I made a req topic about a Final Fantasy game on the same page as the req topic I made on Preacher... I would never be able to face the zoo again.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Neophyte on July 23, 2008, 12:31:17 am
They've made the best changes they could to this game without actually hurting the core game itself, at least in my opinion. I agree this would be so much better on the PSP, but for the first time I'm actually PLAYING my DS. The backgrounds and textures are very plain, which is simply because of the DS's lack of power. It's still one of the more prettier games on the DS out there(though that isn't saying much).

One other thing that bugs me is that in dungeons, I'm looking at the bottom screen too frequently. Maybe it's because I need to get that 100% on the map, but literally everything is shown on the bottom of the screen. You can get through areas without looking at the top one at all. That's my only real complaint so far. They really couldn't improve this game more in my opinion unless they actually made it for the PSP with improved graphics.

This is some very impressive voice acting too. I don't remember the scene with Tellah and Edward being so funny. The dialogue is so much better than before.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on July 23, 2008, 12:52:20 am
Oh my god they actually voiced the "Spoony Bard" scene? Man...

(By the way, thanks for the link Lord Kamina)
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Neophyte on July 23, 2008, 12:54:22 am
They didn't actually voice the battle portion of it, but everything after that part was voiced.
It pretty much played out the same as the original, just with enhanced dialogue and nice voice acting.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Liquid Ocelot on July 23, 2008, 02:02:34 am
Best remake EVER! Also, I noticed that Cecil's voice sounds like .hack//GU's Haseo O.O

Anyways, I personally think this is a good looking DS title. Also, I wouldn't mind a FF5 upgrade because it NEEDS one(FFV is still a good FF though).

Edit: One thing that did annoy me was the replacement of Cecil's "Dark Wave" power with "Darkness". Now most of you might find darkness better, but dark wave helped out alot in mist cave as it hit all enemies and made that area alot easier. Darkness however is stronger but only hits 1 enemy. It was helpful against mist dragon though, but that's an easy boss either way.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Lord Kamina on July 23, 2008, 04:01:07 am
I like Darkness better.

EDIT: I predict the mirror-match won't be so retardedly easy anymore.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Farren on July 23, 2008, 04:23:31 am
If I buy a DS, this would definitely be the reason.  I loved FF4.  The remake looks fantastic.

--Terin

I'll sell you a DS for 300$
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Melee Master on July 23, 2008, 08:59:59 am
Also, I noticed that Cecil's voice sounds like .hack//GU's Haseo O.O

It is him, I'm pretty sure.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: DoctorEars on July 23, 2008, 10:58:11 am
I just started playing this on my R4DS when I got home from work, and I'm up to the mist-dragon boss. So far, it seems to be a pretty wicked remake of FFIV. The voice acting is pretty good so far too.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: headphonics on July 23, 2008, 12:08:27 pm
If I made a req topic about a Final Fantasy game on the same page as the req topic I made on Preacher... I would never be able to face the zoo again.
i think he means someone already uploaded it and posted a topic dawg
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: fatty on July 23, 2008, 03:42:22 pm
This turned out to be better than what I expected it to be!
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: The Dude on July 23, 2008, 05:45:23 pm
I both want this and could care more if a cow died.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: maladroithim on July 23, 2008, 06:03:02 pm
I bought this yesterday and I like it a lot!  The difficulty is definitely super fine-tuned and is constantly engaging.  I think the graphics are great and super charming but yeah I can see how some people wouldn't get past the low-res textures and everything.  I definitely agree that the menues are a little laggy, but I think I can survive with it.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: TrickLobster on July 24, 2008, 01:05:47 am
oh man.....if there is a Chrono Trigger remake on the DS i'm going to fart with joy.

maybe thats why sqenix gave all those cease and decease letters to people making remakes of CT, because they themselves will be doing one! FFIII, FFIV, CT.


ok most of my post is false hope but IT WOULD BE SO COOOL

Hey look Brown from February 14th, you win!
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: XxSylverxX on July 24, 2008, 03:14:42 am
yeah but the "ct remake" is just a port isn't it?
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: The Dude on July 24, 2008, 03:18:13 am
I bought this yesterday and I like it a lot!  The difficulty is definitely super fine-tuned and is constantly engaging.  I think the graphics are great and super charming but yeah I can see how some people wouldn't get past the low-res textures and everything.  I definitely agree that the menues are a little laggy, but I think I can survive with it.

I guess some people did not grow up with PSone / N64.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: jman00 on July 24, 2008, 05:29:20 am
Okay, so I played this finally, and I have to say, WHAT THE HELL!? WHY AM I HAVING PROBLEMS AGAINST FUCKING GOBLINS!?

Anyway, yeah, they certainly improved on the difficulty on this game to an extreme, maybe its because I rushed through the first dungeon like I usually did in the SNES/PSX versions, but I didn't expect the enemies to get a major improvement, bosses maybe, but the enemies c'mon, that's overkill!

I am pleased they gave some of the characters more usefulness this time around, like Edward, he's not fucking useless anymore, he's just crappy now! The graphics are great, its equal to FFIII in terms of that. The music mneh, you hear the Dreadful Battle once, you hear it millions of other times. And gameplay, they certainly improved a lot from the original, like the Augments; those are pretty good I dare say. The voice acting in this game is incredible, I can't wait to hear some of my other favorite characters in the game!

All in all, I give this game a 3 Jay-Thumbsup out of 5.

I had high hopes for the game, but it dropped due to many reasons, I'll play it once and not touch it again after beating it, the enemies in the game piss me off too much, once I get Paladin form, then it'll be fun times.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: TrickLobster on July 24, 2008, 05:52:46 am
Yea, the game is fucking hard. If you think the enemies are hard wait till you get to some of the bosses. Some are straight up impossible without a gamefaqs guide. g'luck though!
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Neophyte on July 24, 2008, 05:57:39 am
Holy shit, did you guys pass that Queen Bomb boss?
It was NOT that hard on the SNES. This is crazy.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: jman00 on July 24, 2008, 06:05:29 am
Holy shit, did you guys pass that Queen Bomb boss?
It was NOT that hard on the SNES. This is crazy.

I just got passed that part an hour ago, I died from the blast, that was insanely stupid. Edward (Useless) got over 1000 damage from it, I was like no fucking way... I'm afraid what the other bosses are going to be posing in the next little while.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Eltee on July 24, 2008, 06:48:54 am
Pretty much, I do believe they just upped it to the japanese difficulty. If anybody remembers, the US version of FF4 on SNES was ridiculously easier than the jap one.


Though I can't say myself because on emus the text in the game never erases. It is unreadable. :(
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on July 24, 2008, 06:54:42 am
The one most of us played (the "hard" version, IE the one with Dark Wave) wasn't as hard as this.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Lord Kamina on July 24, 2008, 11:18:43 am
Damn, I just got to the Tower of Zot and it's RETARDED...

One of those elemental panthers or tigers or whatever will cast an elemental all effect and kill my whole party in one blow... (I'm level 25)
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: DE on July 24, 2008, 12:46:15 pm
Yeah, these enemies are ridiculous. And they often hunt in packs of two plus a Centaur Knight.

I beat them by equpping Cecil with an ice-halving armor/shield? (found on the first or second floor) and attacking them normally, healing with Cura when needed. Thankfully they don't appear that often on higher floors.

To beat MomBomb you simply have to defend with everyone. Cecil and Yang should survive.

At the moment I'm at the Dwarf Castle and just got raped by Golbez. This guy is insane, I just can't keep up with his speed and his damage output is crazy; and everytime I manage to ressurect someone, he dusts them with a multi target spell (Bio is seriously overpowered).

One thing I like in this version is that many bosses are vulnerable to status ailments; you can slow them down, curse them, even silence them! The game also seems impossible without Protect and Shell, but you can cast them on the whole party at once and they never wear off (unless the character dies).
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Rowain on July 24, 2008, 01:03:26 pm
man I'm down with FF4 but this sounds too ridiculously challenging for me. I don't like having my BALLS busted constantly in an RPG.

i guess I am just........not hardXcore enough.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Vale on July 24, 2008, 01:18:55 pm
The voice-acting just doesn't work for me, especially with the old English words in the...stereotypical American accents...

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I am pleased they gave some of the characters more usefulness this time around, like Edward, he's not fucking useless anymore, he's just crappy now!
Are you serious

I dunno dude I think Salve is pretty useful.

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Holy shit, did you guys pass that Queen Bomb boss?
It was NOT that hard on the SNES. This is crazy.
I had to use a walkthrough to figure out that the Mom Bomb had 141200 health. Damn, if I never realised that I would have been battling that thing for ages.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Sapsuker on July 24, 2008, 03:51:43 pm
Well I got this yesterday and I really like it. I've never played FFIV before, but I can see how many people place this among their favorites.

It's great because they took FF3DS's system and made it GOOD. The menu system, though still slow, is much faster and slick. The other screen actually has a use now. Battles do not take five hours for normal encounters. There's a music player, and yeah, lots of gimmicky mini-games, but I happen to enjoy the minigames a lot.

Rosa's voice makes me cringe.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: jman00 on July 24, 2008, 04:23:03 pm
So how many had trouble against Scarmiglone, he took me at least 10-15 minutes to beat, damn that counter! Its like Bad Breath... but equally as deadly. X_X
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: TrickLobster on July 24, 2008, 05:41:58 pm
So how many had trouble against Scarmiglone, he took me at least 10-15 minutes to beat, damn that counter! Its like Bad Breath... but equally as deadly. X_X

He does that when you cast offensive spells against him. Since he's a zombie you should've cast cura on him and his bitch ass would be negatively healed and you wouldn't have gotten all those nasty status ailments.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: jman00 on July 24, 2008, 05:43:37 pm
He does that when you cast offensive spells against him. Since he's a zombie you should've cast cura on him and his bitch ass would be negatively healed and you wouldn't have gotten all those nasty status ailments.

Bah, hopefully I won't have as much of a harder time on Cagnazzo then I did on this guy... X_X;
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: maladroithim on July 24, 2008, 06:15:58 pm
I am not very far into this game but I am excited to hear that it is so ball-bustingly tough.  I've played FFIV about a million times and it would be pretty boring if it wasn't challenging!
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Post by: DE on July 24, 2008, 08:02:25 pm
I've just finished Tower of Zot or whatever it's called (the one in which you lose Yang and Cid soon after).

I must say the battle with cyber Lugae was simply awesome. You see, in this version he uses an attack which inverts all damage; now healing magic does damage, and all attacks and offensive spells heal (it affects both your party and Lugae). He casts Restore on your whole party dealing damage, but you can easily heal yourself with physical attacks (which often miss).

The best part was when I had Rydia down and he cast Reverse for the second time, making all magic work normally. I double casted Raise and party Curaga with Rose, but before she managed to finish them, Lugae threw another Reverse. The result wasn't pretty :) (I managed to win with 2 characters though)

This game rocks. I think there was no boss battle without such cool moments; the game's hard, but not SMT 3 hard (unless you gamefaq it or powerlevel). Some Decant abilities are broken, though (Doublecast, Attract, Counter).
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: lil_Vivi on July 25, 2008, 12:26:12 am
That's the Tower of babil =P.

I'm near the end of the game. It's fun!
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Vale on July 25, 2008, 01:42:02 pm
Ugh the Mom Bomb is NOTHING compared to that damn Dark Elf.
How're you supposed to survive Dark Breath? BAM 800HP DAMAGE WOO
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Liquid Ocelot on July 26, 2008, 12:45:18 am
halfway through the game! So much fun and edge is a badass ^^
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Post by: Lord Kamina on July 26, 2008, 07:45:05 am
Ugh the Mom Bomb is NOTHING compared to that damn Dark Elf.
How're you supposed to survive Dark Breath? BAM 800HP DAMAGE WOO

There's a faq in gamefaqs explaining how to survive that fight...
What ticks me about this game is that its so difficult right now that you are basically having to find tricks to defeat the bosses, seeing which status they are not immune to... Because if you try to do it like before, you will often get killed in a one hit, all attack...

I mean, I'm fighting Calcobrena/Golbez in Giott's castle and I haven't been reading the faq except when I get stuck against a boss, and damn... if I don't munch just the way they say and get certain abilities here and there (And I think the augment system sucks in that you must give certain augments to certain characters to get other augments that you actually want), the fight is virtually impossible because my best character has 1700 HP and Golbez i doing 1650 per hit on my whole party.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: DE on July 26, 2008, 08:00:21 am
Shell/all, Slow, Libra, Summon, Curaga/all :)
Keep using Libra and Summon and he should fall. I was a bit lucky as he kept casting Osmose and not offensive spells for most of the fight.

You don't need the abilities to beat the game, sometimes they actually make it too easy...
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Vale on July 26, 2008, 02:04:14 pm
There's a faq in gamefaqs explaining how to survive that fight...
Yeah, although it's kinda annoying to have to check the FAQ for pretty much every boss.

I finally beat the thing though. Firaga + 3xFocus Attack works wonders.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Carrion Crow on August 05, 2008, 04:46:02 pm
The menus are nowhere near as laggy as FFIII DS. That was such a terrible game. Absolutely shit and devoid of character then FFIV DS comes along and I am completely astounded at how great it is.

It IS better than the original, a bold statement but it really IS.

I have been playing this a good 2 hrs a day for about a week now and I am loving it to bits. 10/10.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: maladroithim on August 05, 2008, 09:57:33 pm
I must say the battle with cyber Lugae was simply awesome. You see, in this version he uses an attack which inverts all damage; now healing magic does damage, and all attacks and offensive spells heal (it affects both your party and Lugae). He casts Restore on your whole party dealing damage, but you can easily heal yourself with physical attacks (which often miss).

The best part was when I had Rydia down and he cast Reverse for the second time, making all magic work normally. I double casted Raise and party Curaga with Rose, but before she managed to finish them, Lugae threw another Reverse. The result wasn't pretty :) (I managed to win with 2 characters though)

I beat him by using an elixir on him (hahah what a loser).  I am unsure whether or not I was disappointed that my Phoenix Down missed prior to that.  My only surviving party member was Cecil and he only had 50 HP left!  Actually it's surprising how many boss fights have ended that way for me.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: The Dude on August 05, 2008, 11:44:04 pm
I guess when I get this, I'll be grinding in each new area. Which is OK I guess, if you get that ability swapping early on.
Back on SNES I could never beat the final Elemental fight in the Tower of Zot, so this is one of the few FF's I haven't beaten. Even though it's my favourite.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: NightBlade on August 06, 2008, 12:20:19 am
This game has been a pleasant surprise: but some regular enemies are just stupid.

Case in point: 2x blazes should not kill an overleveled party before its possible to react.

Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Bobberticus on August 06, 2008, 12:22:16 am
I am at the magnetic cave place. I miss my metal things.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Lord Kamina on August 06, 2008, 11:40:47 pm
This game has been a pleasant surprise: but some regular enemies are just stupid.

Case in point: 2x blazes should not kill an overleveled party before its possible to react.



Hint: You're probably not overleveled.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: NightBlade on August 07, 2008, 03:39:29 am
Hint: You're probably not overleveled.

Wonderful contribution.

Now I'm on the moon. Wee for enemies that do way too much damage while paralyzing you at the same time.  I guess its either grind: or do the optional stuff.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Sapsuker on August 07, 2008, 03:58:52 am
Some of the optional stuff is highly useful. Did you get the draw attacks and counter augments? If you put them both on Cecil, the whole party should have a nice time getting through the moon.

Augments are useful stuff.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: NightBlade on August 07, 2008, 04:11:32 am
Some of the optional stuff is highly useful. Did you get the draw attacks and counter augments? If you put them both on Cecil, the whole party should have a nice time getting through the moon.

Augments are useful stuff.

Oddly enough: cecil has counter... It never works.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Carrion Crow on August 07, 2008, 09:05:49 am
I keep getting my ass kicked by the bosses when you return to baron. I am so frustrated! Like Mr Big T at a cosplay convention. OK the simile was NOT required.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Melee Master on August 07, 2008, 09:53:37 am
So how many had trouble against Scarmiglone, he took me at least 10-15 minutes to beat, damn that counter! Its like Bad Breath... but equally as deadly. X_X

Haha that's the only part so far I've NOT had trouble with. The first fight took about 30 seconds (Cecil attack, Palom Fira, Porom/Tellah Cura on party/enemies switch off). The second one took about a minute. (Tellah Cura on him, Palom/Porom twin attack thing, Cecil Hi-potion whoever got hit).

Right now I'm returning to Baron and it is a pain in the ASS. I spent all my money buying that armor in Mysidia for Cecil. Why is this game so hard? I haven't run away from a battle yet and I'm still lower leveled than I need to be for some reason. I even grinded a little bit. I'm enjoying it but parts are just pissing me off. I think they changed the dungeons by the way nothing is recongnizable to me haha. Since I've been playing it for the past few hours and am getting kind of sick of it I'm gonna take a break and hope when I come back Baigan and Cagnazzo don't beat the shit out of me.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Lord Kamina on August 07, 2008, 10:36:30 am
By the way guys... Get a ribbon for Cecil, it helps a lot... The toad witches in the Passage of the Eidolons drop them.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Sapsuker on August 07, 2008, 04:36:46 pm
Oddly enough: cecil has counter... It never works.

Well, counter only works when Cecil is physically attacked. Also, be sure to have Attack as his first ability if you want him to counter with Attack. You can use other things to counter with, too, since counter negates spellcasting time. I'm thinking about putting counter on Rydia for the second playthrough, just to see her counter some puny attack with Bahamut.

And I hate hunting for rare items like Ribbons. I went hunting for Rainbow Pudding and it took days.

ugh i've been playing this game too much. i'm taking a break
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: maladroithim on August 07, 2008, 09:15:49 pm
Oddly enough: cecil has counter... It never works.

You have to equip it you butthead.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Melee Master on August 08, 2008, 06:10:45 am
I am at the magnetic cave place. I miss my metal things.

That's where I am now and this place is the biggest piece of bullshit EVER. Every REGULAR battle is taking me 5+ minutes and I really feel like everyone's at a decent level. (Cecil 25, Yang 27, Cid 24, Tellah 28) I do not look forward to the Tower of Zot.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: GigasFist on August 08, 2008, 06:15:01 am
I picked it up, but haven't spent much time with it yet.

So how hard is Valvalius (Fiend of Air) in the tower of Zot that fight always gave me trouble.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Kezay on August 09, 2008, 11:46:53 pm
So uh, yeah, before this game it has been a while since I touched FFIV, now unless they changed something I must be missing something (immediately following Tower of Zot btw):

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Post by: Sapsuker on August 10, 2008, 02:59:52 am
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Post by: Marcus on August 10, 2008, 04:22:56 am
so does anyone else think rosa's outfit is pretty ridiculous?  cid doesn't seem to mind that his daughter runs around in a bikini. 
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: DoctorEars on August 10, 2008, 04:29:52 am
It is pretty ridiculous, but oh well. A lot of Final women run around in bikinis or other skimpy outfits. Fran, anyone?
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Kezay on August 10, 2008, 05:05:46 am

Friggin' hell man.  I totally forgot about that part of the town.  I traveled all over the place except the one place that mattered most, the damn center.  :fogetlaugh:
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Marcus on August 10, 2008, 06:53:17 am
It is pretty ridiculous, but oh well. A lot of Final women run around in bikinis or other skimpy outfits. Fran, anyone?

To be fair, they kept to Amano's original design but Rydia's outfit is weird.  She was stuck in a world that isn't exactly populated with humans yet somehow she made herself this weird half-leotard half-bathing suite with frilly belly dancer arm things and a half-skirt or something.  Did Asura make that for her or what?
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Carrion Crow on August 10, 2008, 01:49:23 pm
Isn't it funny that people will point out little details like that as if it's weird BUT MAGIC IS TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Marcus on August 10, 2008, 02:15:08 pm
Isn't it funny that people will point out little details like that as if it's weird BUT MAGIC IS TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE.

it's a suspension of disbelief thing.  shooting fireballs and summoning monsters is perfectly understandable in fantasy land but there's no skill or ability that leads me to believe that a 7 year old girl would think to herself "y'know there's all this rare silk material and green dye lying around i think i'll spin myself a dancer's costume with a mini-skirt and frilly thingies"
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Carrion Crow on August 10, 2008, 02:44:30 pm
Marcus you obviously haven't unlocked the Dresschanga and Dresschangaraja spells I am disappointed in your FF skills.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Kezay on August 13, 2008, 04:33:24 am
Alright, been stuck on this boss the past two days, assistance requested (Tower of Zot endboss):

Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Sapsuker on August 13, 2008, 05:19:45 am
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Christophomicus on August 13, 2008, 05:22:26 am
I've been playing this in little 20 minute bursts the last few days, but holy fuck is Edward useless when you first get him. I don't remember him being this weak in the original!
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Kezay on August 13, 2008, 05:25:04 am
Thanks much Sapsuker, never thought to use that particular item.  As for the imagery, well, I suppose I could appreciate it more if I weren't so frustrated. :P
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Post by: DE on August 13, 2008, 10:01:34 am
You can slow down pretty much every boss in the game, and it's one of the first things you should do in each boss battle! Well, that and casting Protect+Shell on your whole party.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Eltee on August 13, 2008, 05:04:56 pm
I've been playing this in little 20 minute bursts the last few days, but holy fuck is Edward useless when you first get him. I don't remember him being this weak in the original!

Edward was always highly pointless early on. He was too weak to ever be of any use in fights and THEN you had a mini-boss with only HIM in the party.

Oh what a game..

Though I don't know how WORSE this has become in the DS version..
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: maladroithim on August 13, 2008, 05:26:18 pm
Man, the fight against Bahamut in this version is probably the coolest thing that has ever happened to me in a remake of a game.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Rowain on August 20, 2008, 01:29:29 am
I'll admit, this is a pretty decent version of the game. it was always one of my favourites, and the retranslation, new graphic engine and better cutscenes is a treat. But the difficulty is a little uhh... STUPID to put it bluntly. I'm not having an indordinate amount of trouble but I just got to the tower of Babil (first visit) and the Flamehounds are pissing me the fuck off. Scorch or w/e is simply cheap. They almost always get the first attack and Scorch two shots most of my party. There is simply no defense against it until you get some of the Ice equipment later in the tower, and even then it's mostly just for Kain and Cecil. It's just lame. To add insult to injury, Flamehounds come in packs of three sometimes. Three Scorches and everyone is dead except for Cecil and I have to blow through MP and items to get my party back up.

Mostly I have put up with the challenge to this point because there has been a certain amount of strategy behind it all but there isn't here. You just have to hope the Flamehounds don't all cast Scorch. Prior to this, I had only died once and that was against Golbez because I went into that fight with Cecil almost dead and I neglected to Slow Golbez while Rosa was still up.

At least the Icehounds in the Tower of Zot seemed rare. I run into Flamehounds in every damn encounter in Babil.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: jman00 on August 20, 2008, 01:31:12 am
I beat Dr Lugae (cheaply, lol Elixir spam) and now I go to get Edge, I hear Rubicante is gonna be fun to battle!
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Vale on August 20, 2008, 09:44:57 pm
Man, the fight against Bahamut in this version is probably the coolest thing that has ever happened to me in a remake of a game.
If TENSE AS HELL is what you mean then I agree with you.

I beat Dr Lugae (cheaply, lol Elixir spam)
I don't see why everyone had to use Elixirs against Lugae, maybe I was just lucky?

So I'm on the final dungeon right now and I've gotten extremely disinterested in the game. I don't feel like going through floor upon floor of RANDOM ENCOUNTERS and that Namingway quest just seems long and tedious. Also I'm sick of having to use a walkthrough for every boss battle.

Maybe I'm not cut out to be a REAL gamer......
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: maladroithim on August 20, 2008, 09:53:01 pm
If TENSE AS HELL is what you mean then I agree with you.

Well I mean that the reflect trick doesn't work and if you try it you will die.

So I'm on the final dungeon right now and I've gotten extremely disinterested in the game. I don't feel like going through floor upon floor of RANDOM ENCOUNTERS and that Namingway quest just seems long and tedious. Also I'm sick of having to use a walkthrough for every boss battle.

I am in the exact same situation and I don't know why I feel that way either.  I do have the Safe Travel augment though (and yes the namingway quest was tedious but it's easy to sit through boring shit in a video game when you are playing on the can) so I think I'll just quickly run through to the end.  I think the game is super awesome but the drive just sort of died once I went inside the moon.  The encounter rate is way too high in the final dungeon and the fights are really hard.  :(

Mostly I have put up with the challenge to this point because there has been a certain amount of strategy behind it all but there isn't here. You just have to hope the Flamehounds don't all cast Scorch. Prior to this, I had only died once and that was against Golbez because I went into that fight with Cecil almost dead and I neglected to Slow Golbez while Rosa was still up.

There are certain enemy configurations that are simply safer to run away from until you level up than stay and fight them.  If you just hold the retreat button and spam defend with everyone you should be able to get away.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Vale on August 21, 2008, 11:34:44 am
The encounter rate is way too high in the final dungeon and the fights are really hard.  :(
Don't you have the Safe Travel augment?
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: maladroithim on August 21, 2008, 03:02:19 pm
Don't you have the Safe Travel augment?

Yeah but I don't know that's . . . lame.

Anyway I was wandering around the final dungeon for like two hours and then died against some cheap fight so . . . I don't know I think I am putting this game down.  I have beat other versions about 1,000,000 times so while this game was a blast and one of my favorite portable games I really have no impetus to finish the last little bit.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Lord Kamina on August 23, 2008, 02:28:15 am
Guys...

Have some illustrations on Rydia and Rosa:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5342/rosaft6.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/54/rydiaol1.jpg
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Ultimaweapon9 on August 31, 2008, 03:30:09 pm
Other than the insane cheapness of some of the fights, I'm really loving this version.
Title: Final Fantasy IV (DS) Anyone?
Post by: Kezay on September 01, 2008, 10:16:34 pm
So yeah, what's with the final area of the game jamming the difficulty on overdrive?  My people are between Lv. 54 and 58 and I'm getting my butt handed to me and I had no real trouble with the Giant, Sylph's Cave or the Sealed Cave. (Save for those dual Manticore encounters)