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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: thecatamites on February 01, 2008, 08:41:08 pm
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Hey, kids! Be the first on your block to discover the myriad thrills and wonders within the strange and ass-kicking world of NOISE-PUNK, widely considered by anyone with a smidgeon of taste and more than three brain cells to be the only genre remaining which is worth giving two fucks about! The confrontational and abrasive noise patented by no-wave bands like Teenage Jesus and the Jerks and DNA, played in a sloppy and violent Stooges-esque manner!
Enclosed are a bevy of videos so that the uninitiated among you can quickly and easily immerse yourselves into this great music... THRILL to the metallic, gnarled riffs of Shellac's 'Watch Song'! GASP at Brian Chippendale of Lightning Bolt as he plays drums like Animal from the Muppets on speed! GAZE IN AWE at Wolf Eyes, who meld minimalist electronic noise to hard-rock dynamics! All this and many more... just follow the links!
- Shellac:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etNhv1xxep4
- The Flying Luttenbachers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGpZ837-r2Y
- Big Black:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKsw6xaw9n0
- Wolf Eyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sMuoEOpgz4
- Lightning Bolt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7BDZ7KyNRE
- Sightings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2RMxH1fsz4&feature=user
- Coachwhips
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbTWFj2SMX8
- Boredoms:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgwMBXhyp9w
- The Birthday Party
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvlS4BwTUQw
- Jesus Lizard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA7oTXlyBv4
- Oxbow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIniZ9eFQi8
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yeah okay you are quickly becoming my fav. new members :)
I've never been a fan of Wolf Eyes for some reason, and also I thought the Boredoms were JUST noise.
also Oxbow kicks ass, as does Big Black. haven't heard Birthday Party or some of the others on this list but thanks!
now lets talk about Songs for Fucking.
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Hey, I aim to please.
Songs About Fucking was awesome, but I'm an Atomiser man... I'd never heard any of their stuff before, but when I stuck it on for the first time and heard that untouchable fucking opening run of 'Jordan, Minnesota', 'Passing Complexion', 'Big Money' and especially 'Kerosene'... Jesus, it felt like I'd been belted in the face with a claw hammer...
Anyway, if you like Big Black then you should check out Steve Albini's second band, Rapeman. It's him and the bassist and drummer from Scratch Acid, and they do a killer verion of ZZ Top's 'Just Got Paid'. What's not to like there?
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I was never as big a fan of Shellac as Big Black but I skipped Rapeman entirely. What's a good release by them (according to wikipedia they don't have much)?
I like how Steve Albini is apparently an unbearable music dick who hates anything digital. he's cool as shit.
I also picked up this group called the Grey Daturas out of Australia which is more noise shit but it sounds like that Sunn(O(((( or whatever but not as gay droney so maybe it's noise punk (dont know genres lol) that I recommend to anyone who is into noise.
maybe it's...post-noise...
ps: the chances of this topic being just you and me name dropping for maybe a few more posts before it drops off forever is very high ~magic 8 ball
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Shellac and Lightning Bolt are amazing, I will check out these other bands sometime.
you have good taste new man.......
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also other good stuff (name drop)
melt banana
slint
arab on radar
an albatross
xiu xiu
also dare I say............,,.,., SONIC YOUTH!?!
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I was never as big a fan of Shellac as Big Black but I skipped Rapeman entirely. What's a good release by them (according to wikipedia they don't have much)?
'Two Nuns And A Pack Mule' on CD collects their sole album and the excellent 'Budd' e.p... As far as I know, that's their entire recorded output...
melt banana
slint
arab on radar
an albatross
xiu xiu
also dare I say............,,.,., SONIC YOUTH!?!
Melt Banana are awesome, Arab On Radar are cool, Xiu Xiu are a bit too poppy from what I've heard... And Sonic Youth fucking rule!
Also, a lot of the stuff from Load Records is pretty good. You can find some free MP3s on their website here: http://www.loadrecords.com/sounds.html
I'd recommend listening to Brainbombs, Vaz, Pink And Brown,and ESPECIALLY the Hospitals. Their album 'I Visited The Island Of Jocks And Jazz' has been rocking my world for some time now...
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ugh, I cannot stand Xiu Xiu. I saw them in concert, and they brought this ridiculously loud drum machine and all the indie kids were like "YES...I APPRECIATE HARSH NOISES" and it was so fucking irritating. maybe I had some earplugs it would have helped, but I've never liked them much.
I have never viewed Sonic Youth as noisey, until Panda said it last night, which threw me off. and Slint is indie/post-rock shit, not noise (unless that second album was noise, I heard it sucked and never bothered with it).
also Melt Banana is good which reminds me...
NAME DROP APPROACHING: Les Rallizes Dénudés NAME DROPPED NEGATIVE BBALL ENERGY EMANATING.
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old slint is really noisy. like 1989 slint ep.
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old slint is really noisy. like 1989 slint ep.
psssshhhh SPIDERLAND nublet no one listens to anything else burn on you and your ska.
also Xiu Xiu has the worst cover of Tracy Chapman's Fast Car I've ever heard.
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Sonic Youth's first two albums 'Confusion Is Sex' and 'Bad Dream Rising' are really noisy... They kinda got more streamlined after that, while still managing to remain awesome...
Speaking of which, this thread couldn't be complete without a shout-out to the prototype for noise-punk, No Wave.
- DNA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laQjL_IDMkI
- Glenn Branca:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqHz7cUw4Ls
- Teenage Jesus and the Jerks:
(No clip... Listen to their song 'Orphans' on myspace: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=46447135)
- James Chance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPb18CzG2gg
- Swans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFb8EhcuEdM
- Rhys Chatham:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAwkdOYPtt4
... And of course, the original noisy punk band, the Velvet Underground:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgcuU_JWuQU
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haha, there's a thread in SA about this shit RIGHT NOW and
what the fuck is steve albini even talking about anymore
strongbad is on his new album
the song "Genuine Lulabelle" off the newest shellac album features the trailer-voice "in a world gone mad..." guy, strongbad, and the dude who was "linda blair's voice coach for the exorcist".
also someone got my opinion of Shellac down:
shellac was a great singles band but i can never get through an entire LP and i think i have a pretty high tolerance for smug anger
At Action Park is way good tho.
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Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music
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psssshhhh SPIDERLAND nublet no one listens to anything else burn on you and your ska.
also Xiu Xiu has the worst cover of Tracy Chapman's Fast Car I've ever heard.
I don't know what ska you are referring to :hmm:
also, listen to i broke up by xiu xiu. it is intense.
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punk is like metals more retarded brother
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punk is like metals more retarded brother
Retarded like a FOX!
Seriously, it it actually possible to be more retarded than metal? Isn't that like having a number which is smaller than minus infinity, or a movie that's shittier than 'Cheaper By The Dozen'?
Also, 'Genuine Lulabelle' is just as weird as the vocal cast suggests... Like Captain Beefheart reading the blurb from a porn movie...
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punk is like metals more retarded brother
first, Punk and Metal are NOTHING alike, so there's no family tree going on here.
Punk is more politically active than metal. Metal is more... fictional.
and honestly I think metal is really retarded
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Shellac and Lightning Bolt are amazing, I will check out these other bands sometime.
I am so sure that you mentioned Lightning Bolt in that objectively horrible bands topic and I said fuck no and now you saying they are amazing.
not so objectively horrible were they...
also, i have not heard most of these bands but i like sonic youth, lightning bolt, boredoms and shellac. i have downloaded a lot of music recently and i still have a lot of artists i want to check out but i will check out those youtube videos and maybe i'll find something interesting!
punk is like metals more retarded brother
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why did you come to this topic to say that? it's called trolling and that was just dumb as fuck.
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first, Punk and Metal are NOTHING alike, so there's no family tree going on here.
Pretty sure Punk music influenced early heavy metal and death metal actually.
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Pretty sure Punk music influenced early heavy metal and death metal actually.
I'm pretty sure punk influenced early thrash metal...I think
The only punk I can get into is Hardcore Punk.
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- Lightning Bolt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7BDZ7KyNRE
This vid of Lightning Bolt is so rad. I think there's a longer one of that Halloween show somewhere on Youtube, I remember someone commenting they had to stop halfway because they thought the floor was gonna cave in.
I enjoy Xiu Xiu's Fabulous Muscles and A Promise but I can see where some people would hugely dislike it (and their live show too). Sonic Youth too is an essential here, it's really amazing to go through some of the best of their discography and listen to all of the different shit they've done but still maintain that SY touch.
and Slint is indie/post-rock shit, not noise (unless that second album was noise, I heard it sucked and never bothered with it).
Wait, second album? The second album was Spiderland which was definitely not noise. I am guessing you are referring to Tweez, since their final EP after Spiderland too wasn't really NOISE either I don't think.
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so wait which one of you gave me ska back in the day.
also yeah i meant tweez who knows.
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Retarded like a FOX!
Seriously, it it actually possible to be more retarded than metal? Isn't that like having a number which is smaller than minus infinity, or a movie that's shittier than 'Cheaper By The Dozen'?
Also, 'Genuine Lulabelle' is just as weird as the vocal cast suggests... Like Captain Beefheart reading the blurb from a porn movie...
everything I've seen you post is so pretentious :(
I'm not going to pretend to have more scene cred than yall but I've liked stuff by big black for a while, so I'll look into this NOIZE PUNK sooner or later. thanks for the links, this makes it much easier!!
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I am so sure that you mentioned Lightning Bolt in that objectively horrible bands topic and I said fuck no and now you saying they are amazing.
not so objectively horrible were they...
also, i have not heard most of these bands but i like sonic youth, lightning bolt, boredoms and shellac. i have downloaded a lot of music recently and i still have a lot of artists i want to check out but i will check out those youtube videos and maybe i'll find something interesting!
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why did you come to this topic to say that? it's called trolling and that was just dumb as fuck.
yeah, I didn't really like Lightning Bolt at first, but then I got more of their albums, and I am in love <3333333
also steel I don't know who gave you ska, I had a phase where I liked ska, but that's long gone
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The main reason I don't enjoy most Punk is it just seems really samey. In terms of vocals, drum beats and riffs specificially.
I think the closest thing to punk I like is Violent Femmes. I'll give this stuff a try though.
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I'm a big fan of many of the bands that have been listed here. I adore Sonic Youth (who I saw over the summer), Big Black, Shellac, Rapeman, James Chance and the Contortions (though noise rock?)....list goes on really. I've seen Shellac a few times and even passed the band in a hallway as they were walking through. I smiled and nodded at Steve Albini and he gave me the dirtiest look I've ever seen. They're such an incredible live act though. The whole thing they have going on is really funny. They're music is really full of in-jokes and stuff, but the live show was so hilarious, one of the most flat out entertaining bands I've ever seen.
Also to the pile of band names I'll add Liars. Whilst their first record is kind of NYC dance-punky (though much noisier than other bands linked to that scene tend to get) and their last record is kind of garage rockey the middle two They Were Wrong So We Drowned and Drum's Not Dead are all drones, noise, feedback squall, tribal drums and sinister chanting. Awesomeo. Let's also add early Butthole Surfers because, well, they're the Butthole Surfers.
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melt banana
yes definately...also Mammatus and Earthless are amazing....though they're more on the noise side than the punk side.
Flower Travelling band's Satori is a great noise jam album.
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man now you are using a wayyyy loose definition of noise. Flower Travelling and Earthless are stoner rock shit, not noise!
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Weren't the Flower Travelling band that psychedelic Japanese group? I think I saw a picture of them once riding motorcycles naked down a highway...
I smiled and nodded at Steve Albini and he gave me the dirtiest look I've ever seen.
Haha, awesome...
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noise rock / punk / math rock / what the fuck ever has become one of my favorite genres recently.
most of those bands are pretty good, except wolf eyes and the flying luttenbachers imo. wolf eyes got boring after a few listens and the flying luttenbachers i just couldn't get into (too hard to listen to???).
as for bands to check out (namedroplol) that are sort of close to the genre:
holy smokes - talk to your kids about gangs
wizardzz - hidden city of taurmond
hella - hold your horse is, the devil isn't red
the usaisamonster - tasheyana compost
those albums are pretty cool
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Whoa whoa whoa. Lightning Bolt is amazing. Thank you for posting this.
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man now you are using a wayyyy loose definition of noise. Flower Travelling and Earthless are stoner rock shit, not noise!
loose definition of noise??? k so what's the benefits of listening to noise over "stoner rock shit"?
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Quick question, what's everyone's favorite Lightning Bolt album. Or what's a good starting point.
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loose definition of noise??? k so what's the benefits of listening to noise over "stoner rock shit"?
...you know that's not how you define shit. not by BENEFITS.
benefit from metal: increased production of B vitamins.
stoner rock is a different genre from noise rock, sorry if you missed this?
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man you're shitting on one genre in favor of another, what is better about it?
btw both these genres are basically the same. noise noise noise.
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NOTHING.
are you fucking drunk? seriously, I am asking. I didn't say they are BETTER, but this topic is about noise/punk and guess what stoner is neither noise-punk, noise, or punk. it is none of these!
also check this shit out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoner_rock
I searched for noise and...nothing came up!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_Travellin_Band
same here! same with punk!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_music
nothing about stoner music here, although punk pops up when talking about DIY.
how did this happen...maybe it's because they are very very different genres and they don't sound the same at all? and that there was never any favoritism at all considering I like my share of stoner rock but did not bring it up in this topic because it's not about stoner rock?
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BravoSector, if you want the punkest noise, just listen to Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music.
That's noise.
And it probably is Lou Reed's punkest album, over VU's White Heat/White Light.
Great noise bands include Acid Mothers Temple, Spacemen 3 and My Bloody Valentine. But to me, they aren't really punk. AMT is some sort of cosmic meltdown inferno, Spacemen 3 is noise rock, My Bloody Valentine is dream noise or noise pop.
Yo La Tengo is also noise pop.
Tim Hecker is ambience noise. And so is Birchville Cat Motel.
Wolf Eyes is more like scene noise to me. Very pretentious. Like The Locust or most shitty derivation from sceney screamo bands.
Melt Banana is also another pointless noise, screeching, stupidly fast hypernoise.
But that is more to hardcore than to punk.
As for stoner rock, I always think of Queens of the Stone Age. That's not noise, that's plain pure heavy rock. I never heard Girls Against Boys being called stoner rock but I think they could fall in that category. (I guess they are just called post-hardcore simply because it was a Brendan Canty(fugazi drummer) side proyect, whatever).
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Check out THE CATALYST: http://www.myspace.com/thecatalyst (http://www.myspace.com/thecatalyst )
I've been listening to these guys for a while now, and they're pretty rancid sounding. Their music is heavy and incorporates lots of scratching and feedback, plus their vocalist sounds straight up disgusted. With songs like This Bike Is A Gravity Bong and Smoke Crack Worship Satan, you can't go wrong...
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Quick question, what's everyone's favorite Lightning Bolt album. Or what's a good starting point.
'Wonderful Rainbow' is probably their best album...The 'Dracula Mountain' song from the youtube video is on it, as well as other awesome tracks like 'Assassins', 'On Fire' and 'Duel In The Deep'..
Wolf Eyes is more like scene noise to me. Very pretentious. Like The Locust or most shitty derivation from sceney screamo bands.
Melt Banana is also another pointless noise, screeching, stupidly fast hypernoise.
But that is more to hardcore than to punk.
I always find it weird when people talk about noise bands being 'sceney'... Maybe in America, but over here in Europe you couldn't get a less cool type of music if you tried. In fact, the main reason noise-punk is so good is the fact that it never gets too self-important and stuck up its own ass, unlike certain other, more 'hip' bands (cough cough, Cold War Kids, cough cough). I mean, having snotty hipster kids play wilfully abrasive noise can be annoying, but it's still heaps better than having them quoting Chaucer and making twee songs about punctuation.
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Yeah, Wonderful Rainbow is my favorite by Lightning Bolt, but I only have it and Hypermagic Mountain. Both are great albums.
My favorite song is probably 2 Towers though. Awesome song.
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The stuff I heard wasn't really the Punk I was referring to when I said Punk I mean more Punk Rock which is boring boring boring.
I'd describe this stuff more as math rock or experimental but genres are a mess so whatever.
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man this is a musical genre that I know literally nothing about
someone want to inform me what makes a band noisepunk?
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noise punk is a band that plays noise with a punk attitude.
Shellac is one of the punker bands out there, but I never classified them as noise. Big Black is noisier.
I still insist the best combination of noise and punk is Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music. The 4 tracks of the album is pure noise, and the concept of the album is as punk as can be.
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I still insist the best combination of noise and punk is Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music. The 4 tracks of the album is pure noise, and the concept of the album is as punk as can be.
I feel vaguely ashamed to say this, but I never actually listened to that album... I might pick it up later in the week, though...
The stuff I heard wasn't really the Punk I was referring to when I said Punk I mean more Punk Rock which is boring boring boring.
I'd describe this stuff more as math rock or experimental but genres are a mess so whatever.
This kinda depends on what you mean by punk... If you think that punk refers to that obnoxious frat-boy-rock bullshit hawked by NOFX and Sum 41 and all those other mohicanned shitheads, you'd be right in saying it's boring... But punk actually just refers to music that values stuff like energy and innovation and a DIY mentality over stuff like technical skill, etc...
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This kinda depends on what you mean by punk... If you think that punk refers to that obnoxious frat-boy-rock bullshit hawked by NOFX and Sum 41 and all those other mohicanned shitheads, you'd be right in saying it's boring... But punk actually just refers to music that values stuff like energy and innovation and a DIY mentality over stuff like technical skill, etc...
I get the DIY motivation and the energy and stuff like that but I'd prefer people who are good at instruments rather than someone who has a good "message".
Music is about music, if you want to spread a message and happen to be a shitty musician then go make a private club or something. However if they incorporate both message and musicianship then I am all for it.
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hahhahahaha wow.
ps they are good at their instruments.
they are not fucking VIRTUOSOS but do you really want to go there with me because I will crush you like a carrot cuisine.
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i like my dream theater over your shitty punk... heh
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hahhahahaha wow.
ps they are good at their instruments.
they are not fucking VIRTUOSOS
im aware of this thanks!, im saying i dont like shitty punk bands who ARE NOT good at their instruments.
However if they incorporate both message and musicianship then I am all for it.
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I'd prefer people who are good at instruments rather than someone who has a good "message".
that's such a snob's cliched phrase
Music is not about BEING GOOD WITH THE INSTRUMENTS, but rather about making a composition of sounds that you'll find appealing. Messages are part of artistic expression, usually it is what motivate many musicians when the aim is not mostly financial gain.
Personally I don't give a damn about instrumental talent at all. All I care for is stuff that sound nice, sounds that are interestingly arranged, that seem to emit a feeling or message or whatever.
Being good at instruments is the last thing going on in my mind
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that's such a snob's cliched phrase
Music is not about BEING GOOD WITH THE INSTRUMENTS, but rather about making a composition of sounds that you'll find appealing. Messages are part of artistic expression, usually it is what motivate many musicians when the aim is not mostly financial gain.
Im also aware of this, I dont listen to stuff for technicality either. All I'm saying is, I dont like Punk Rock which is shitty recording, shitty playing but cool message.
I don't like music which sounds bad because the artist SUCKS. It's a pretty simple opinion.
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im aware of this thanks!, im saying i dont like shitty punk bands who ARE NOT good at their instruments.
what about people with messages that REJECT melody?
anarchopunk and Lou Reed come to mind!
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what about people with messages that REJECT melody?
anarchopunk and Lou Reed come to mind!
but im sure they have some talent
im saying i dont like people who cant play music and are talentless
whats the big deal haha
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these people were not being discussed in the topic and were dismissed already as Blink 182 shit and you came into the topic to troll about how metal is better
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these people were not being discussed in the topic and were dismissed already as Blink 182 shit and you came into the topic to troll about how metal is better
And then I revised my opinion in the second post. (oops and my third post at the top of the page). So I was no longer referring to the bands he was talking about as I stated.
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that's such a snob's cliched phrase
Music is not about BEING GOOD WITH THE INSTRUMENTS, but rather about making a composition of sounds that you'll find appealing. Messages are part of artistic expression, usually it is what motivate many musicians when the aim is not mostly financial gain.
Personally I don't give a damn about instrumental talent at all. All I care for is stuff that sound nice, sounds that are interestingly arranged, that seem to emit a feeling or message or whatever.
well people that arent good at their instruments frequently struggle to create stuff that sounds nice, is interestingly arranged and seem to emit a feeling or message
cause I can play guitar with all the feeling in the fucking world but you wouldnt want to listen to it becuase I cant play guitar for half a damn
also: "noise punk is a band that plays noise with a punk attitude. " this doesnt help me much
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uh i dunno what to tell you because there's not more to it. it is as simple as i described. maybe listening to the bands help
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lol Wolf Eyes.
The Gerogerigegege are awesome, I'm reasonably sure that they're relatively similar to this "noise-punk" you speak of. They're definitely a band that all of you I-ONLY-APPRECIATE-TECHNICAL-GREATNESS-HOW-CAN-YOU-LISTEN-TO-THAT-ALL-IT-IS-IS-RANDOM-NOISES folks can all safely skip over.
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man shep you are really acting like a snob/pretentious person. its prolly just the way you write but giving something like Metal Machine Music artistic value and defending it on the basis of punk attitude and message is pretty much the definition of pretentious, which really makes sense knowing that you like Zappa (and Beefheart perhaps?) however, to not sound like a total dick, i admire your musical knowledge and opinions and taste. the way you describe punk seems to easily convey that this is your genre of choice along with bands like AMT. You are a rebel and freespirited and like defying conventional notions in most of life's aspects.
In conclusion, I have an extemely open mind about music, but I also have a pretty good idea of what "is" and what critics/fans "say is". I would enjoy having a debate with you.
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They're definitely a band that all of you I-ONLY-APPRECIATE-TECHNICAL-GREATNESS-HOW-CAN-YOU-LISTEN-TO-THAT-ALL-IT-IS-IS-RANDOM-NOISES folks can all safely skip over.
Who said this?
I listen many songwriters who arent technical.
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Is Polysics noise punk
Because I kinda like them
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Not to join in some genre war or anything, but I'm familiar with all but a couple of the bands mentioned in this thread and I've never heard the term noise-punk in my life. Most of these bands/artists usually fall under the banner of either noise, noise rock, or art rock, although plenty of other genres are represented as well (Branca and Chatham are more often than not, in my experience, considered classical). I'm not arguing against "noise-punk," but I'm just saying for those of you who were unaware of such a term, that doesn't mean much.
It seems like this thread is really more about the wide range of rock-oriented music that is popular right now, but isn't metal and isn't quite mainstream (basically what's popular among 'underground' or 'experimental' crowds). A lot of it is good music but it's far from unknown and it's all readily available online.
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Not to join in some genre war or anything, but I'm familiar with all but a couple of the bands mentioned in this thread and I've never heard the term noise-punk in my life.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the term he's looking for is noise rock. Noise already has much of the "punk attitude", just with less traditional instrumentation.
Who said this?
I listen many songwriters who arent technical.
Well obviously I'm exaggerating, but some of the things you said earlier were pretty blunt.
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i thought the thread was noise really because i never heard of noise punk either and have been treating it as such, buttttt I tried to stay away from Merzbow etc anyways.
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I thought Lou Reed's MMM was just a joke, like he was asked to record for a major label, and that's what he came up with.
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MMM is a FUCK YOU at the major label because he had to complete his contract with the major label. That's why it is punk, it is the punk spirit in its meanest sense.
I dont think Lou sees the record as a joke, but surely considers it a record to be hold with tongs. He even states that whoever listens to the whole album in one listening is a madman.
Bravosector you aren't far off when you described me.
Thing is, punk is too oftenly misunderstood as a genre when it is but an attitude. The punk attitude can fit any style of music.
MMM is pretty much the epitome of punk in my opinion, even though it is not a DIY record. There's Fugazi or Shellac for that. But Fugazi ain't no stereotyped punk rock band, no no. Yet still punk as fuck for all it represents.
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Not to join in some genre war or anything, but I'm familiar with all but a couple of the bands mentioned in this thread and I've never heard the term noise-punk in my life. Most of these bands/artists usually fall under the banner of either noise, noise rock, or art rock, although plenty of other genres are represented as well (Branca and Chatham are more often than not, in my experience, considered classical). I'm not arguing against "noise-punk," but I'm just saying for those of you who were unaware of such a term, that doesn't mean much.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think noise-punk (whatever the hell it is) is the same as noise-rock, noise, or art-rock... 'Noise-rock' always brings to mind stuff like industrial music, math-rock and post-rock, and I always felt that kinda stuff was a lot more starchy and intellectual than the current crop of noisey bands... 'Noise' just means, well, pure noise, whereas many of these bands have some form of melody/structure going on... And 'art-rock' has been used so often it's lost all meaning, just like the term 'indie': It's been applied to everything from Franz Ferdinand to the Flaming Lips...
I know it's just a semantic thing, but stilll... If you want to use a more well-defined term, "pigfuck" and "scuzz-rock" would probably be a better choice, referring to stuff like Butthole Surfers, Big Black, Pussy Galore, etc...
Also, I think Lou Reed is actually touring MMM again with some noise band...
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yeah I read an article in which this band told Lou that they could actually play MMM live, and he couldn't believe it. I dunno what happened with that, whether Lou decided to gig MMM with that band or not
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yeah I read an article in which this band told Lou that they could actually play MMM live, and he couldn't believe it. I dunno what happened with that, whether Lou decided to gig MMM with that band or not
Yep, it happened all right, there was a DVD of it out a while ago... Some band called Zeitkratzer played it live in Berlin with Lou on guitar...
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't think noise-punk (whatever the hell it is) is the same as noise-rock, noise, or art-rock... 'Noise-rock' always brings to mind stuff like industrial music, math-rock and post-rock, and I always felt that kinda stuff was a lot more starchy and intellectual than the current crop of noisey bands... 'Noise' just means, well, pure noise, whereas many of these bands have some form of melody/structure going on... And 'art-rock' has been used so often it's lost all meaning, just like the term 'indie': It's been applied to everything from Franz Ferdinand to the Flaming Lips...
I know it's just a semantic thing, but stilll... If you want to use a more well-defined term, "pigfuck" and "scuzz-rock" would probably be a better choice, referring to stuff like Butthole Surfers, Big Black, Pussy Galore, etc...
Also, I think Lou Reed is actually touring MMM again with some noise band...
I've always considered Melt Banana to be the archetype of 'noise rock.' They're the first band the term brings to my mind. I tend to think of noise rock as music using rock instrumentation (in a recognizable way) to make noise, whereas my idea of noise tends to be more electronically-oriented without any particular instrumentation. This is general, of course, but Slint, for instance, is not nearly abrasive enough (on Spiderland at least) for me to consider them anywhere near a genre containing the word 'noise'; they're pretty comfortably post-rock. Slint's sort've my archetype for 'post-rock,' so 'noise rock' doesn't really conjure up many post-rock bands to me.
As you said, though, semantics. I just meant to point out that other terms that people may be more familiar with can and usually do describe these musicians pretty well, not that this one doesn't either (although personally I don't really see the use for it).
EDIT: I agree about 'art rock,' though, although I couldn't imagine it being used to describe Franz Ferdinand. I think nine times out of ten it's interchangeable with 'post-rock.'
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MMM is a FUCK YOU at the major label because he had to complete his contract with the major label. That's why it is punk, it is the punk spirit in its meanest sense.
I dont think Lou sees the record as a joke, but surely considers it a record to be hold with tongs. He even states that whoever listens to the whole album in one listening is a madman.
Bravosector you aren't far off when you described me.
Thing is, punk is too oftenly misunderstood as a genre when it is but an attitude. The punk attitude can fit any style of music.
MMM is pretty much the epitome of punk in my opinion, even though it is not a DIY record. There's Fugazi or Shellac for that. But Fugazi ain't no stereotyped punk rock band, no no. Yet still punk as fuck for all it represents.
Miles Davis is one of my favorite punks
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Slint, for instance, is not nearly abrasive enough (on Spiderland at least) for me to consider them anywhere near a genre containing the word 'noise';
I may have not said this in this topic and it was on IRC, but I said the same thing and like their early EP is very noisey apparently, which is what people are referring to.
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I didn't even know the term noise rock before reading this thread, but from what everyone here is describing I think I like some of it.
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Future of the Left is way better than McClusky w00t i am the champion of music os just accept it.
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MOTHERFUCK ME I didn't mention mclusky. They were angry Welsh trio who played noise-influenced punk and rock. All 3 of their albums were produced by Albini, too. Shame they broke up, because they were so fucking good.
Damn straight! They also wrote what are probably the greatest opening lines ever: "All of your friends are cunts/your mother is a ball-point pen thief"...
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man shep you are really acting like a snob/pretentious person. its prolly just the way you write but giving something like Metal Machine Music artistic value and defending it on the basis of punk attitude and message is pretty much the definition of pretentious, which really makes sense knowing that you like Zappa (and Beefheart perhaps?)
hey you know what else is shit?? modern art
now this topic is really going places
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dom you nailed it
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modern art isn't shit, its punk
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i'll drink to that