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Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Jeff on February 06, 2008, 08:18:08 pm
For a while now I have been meaning to buy a PS3. When it first came out, I heard discouraging rumors about backwards compatibility issues, which immediately steered me away from buying one. Now it has been quite a while since then, but I haven't really kept up with the progress Sony has (or maybe hasn't) made on this issue. A glance at the Wikipedia article told me that the 40GB models don't have backwards compatibility at all, so I clearly do not want one of those. When I looked at the columns for the 60GB and 80GB models, though, I was confused. I am aware of the difference in concept of hardware and software emulation, but I'd like to know if anyone can give me a rundown of what this means in simple terms of quality of gameplay. It appears from the other references that the hardware process provides for better play, but then another part of the article said that Sony has fixed the issues with software emulation in successive fixes. Can someone elaborate a bit on this? Also, since there is emulation of the PS2, I assume this means I can still play my PSX games as well, right? Since the 60GB appears to be no longer in production, if it turns out to be the better choice, I'll just have to buy one off ebay.

A second issue: a big reason I chose the PS3 is for its Blu-ray function, however I am having a serious issue with the fact that there seems to be no good RPGs coming out for the PS3, whereas I continuously see what could be appealing RPGs for the 360. I am aware that Eternal Sonata is coming sometime this year for the PS3, but as it is already out for the XBOX, I would not be missing much there. As Dynasty Warriors 6 is for the XBOX as well, I really am not seeing anything game-wise drawing me to the PS3, so if I may ask, can someone (or multiple people) give me a simple rundown of the comparative advantages of the XBOX or the PS3 over the other in terms of the console itself and not just the games available. Also, recommendations of good RPGs for the PS3 either slated for release or already available would be very helpful.

All of this will be very beneficial to either my buying of a PS3 or ultimately selecting something else. Please don't recommend the Wii as it is a great system, but is not appealing to me.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Ryan on February 06, 2008, 08:29:49 pm
metal......gear solid 4. also final fantasy xiii. other than that i'm not much help :(
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Ultimaweapon9 on February 06, 2008, 08:33:11 pm
I've got a 40GB so I just had to leave my PS2 hooked up for my older games.

I'll be honest with you, I've had my PS3 since X-Mas and I've used it for gaming...twice.  I've played Oblivion twice.  The rest of the time, it's used as a Blu-Ray/DVD player.  To be completely honest, if I were you, I'd just wait until Final Fantasy XIII came out to get one.  Or at least GTA4, if you're into that.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Jeff on February 06, 2008, 08:37:27 pm
I am mostly into RPGs, I rarely play games outside of that general genre, since I am not a very avid gamer to begin with. I have the cash on hand to buy a separate blu-ray player in addition to either console anyway, so the blu-ray thing is not a huge draw to the PS3 for me, now that I think about it, but it would be nice to not have to switch to another compnent. I am mostly concerned about the availibility of good RPGs or maybe a few hack and slash kind of games and/or performance/quality differences between the two systems.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: kentona on February 06, 2008, 08:44:19 pm
I am interested in the same things Jeff is, with the added incentive that my wife wants the PS3 for Singstar and Rock Band (so backwards compatibility is a must for PS2 Singstar games).

The thing is, when it comes down to it, nothing on the PS3 reallt appeals to me.  If I were to rate my desire out of 10 for the next gen consoles, a Wii is an 8, the Xbox 360 is a 7 and the PS3 is 2, tops.

If someone could give me the lowdown on why a PS3 is awesome, that'd be much appreciated.  (And I don't give a rats ass about MGS4).
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Tau on February 06, 2008, 09:50:00 pm
I have a Playstation 3 60 gig, gt great backwards capabilities, but is still lacking in the games department, it's getting a lot better but were still waiting on more. If I were you, I'd get a 360, it's got a lot more Rpgs coming out for it then the Playstation 3, plus it already has some great games..

Lost Odyssey just came out recently(Or Soon I don't know)
Eternal Sonata(As you said)
Two Worlds (If your interested)
Mass Effect
Phantasy Star Universe
Blue Dragon

..Plus theirs some upcoming Rpgs such as, The Last Remnant(Also on PS3), Fable 2, Infinite Undiscovery(By Tri-Ace!), and more, oh and if you haven't played any of the original Xbox Rpgs then their available for download as well.. I think.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Impeal on February 06, 2008, 10:17:53 pm
Unfortunately, I haven't heard much about RPGs for the PS3. :(

But I know that at least these two are currently out:
Oblivion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_IV:_Oblivion)
Enchanted Arms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enchanted_Arms)

And these are coming out in the future:
Disgaea 3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgaea_3)
Eternal Sonata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_Sonata)
Fallout 3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_3)
FF13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII)
FF Versus 13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Versus_XIII)
Free Realms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Realms)
The Last Remnant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Remnant)
Star Ocean 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Ocean_4)
Steambot Chronicles 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poncotsu_Roman_Daikatsugeki_Bumpy_Trot_2)
Valkyrie of the Battlefield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valkyrie_of_the_Battlefield:_Gallian_Chronicles)
White Knight Chronicles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Knight_Chronicles)

I wish there was more.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: kentona on February 06, 2008, 10:29:28 pm
Why are all of FF's latest protagonists girly-men?

Also, Last Remnant looks awesome.  The rest of the "future" games I never really heard of.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Dale Gobbler on February 06, 2008, 10:33:41 pm
Quote from: Impeal on February 06, 2008, 10:17:53 pm
And these are coming out in the future:
Disgaea 3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgaea_3)
Eternal Sonata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_Sonata)
Fallout 3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_3)
FF13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII)
FF Versus 13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Versus_XIII)
Free Realms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Realms)
The Last Remnant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Remnant)
Star Ocean 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Ocean_4)
Steambot Chronicles 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poncotsu_Roman_Daikatsugeki_Bumpy_Trot_2)
Valkyrie of the Battlefield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valkyrie_of_the_Battlefield:_Gallian_Chronicles)
White Knight Chronicles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Knight_Chronicles)

I wish there was more.

Are some of those future releases also making way to the 360 or are they PS3 exclusives (except, like, Eternal Sonata)?
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Impeal on February 06, 2008, 10:40:07 pm
These 2 are both PS3 and 360:
Fallout 3
The Last Remnant

Also, the wikipedia page for Star Ocean 4 says the platform is still to be determined, but I think it's also going to go multi-plat.

The rest of them are PS3 exclusive.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Sarhan on February 06, 2008, 11:22:11 pm
Quote from: Impeal on February 06, 2008, 10:40:07 pm
Also, the wikipedia page for Star Ocean 4 says the platform is still to be determined, but I think it's also going to go multi-plat.

Damn, at least 5 planets to visit in SO4. I would shit myself if it came to the Wii, even though I doubt it will. The SO series was never too graphically demanding so there's no reason it couldn't look decent on a Wii. And as much as I like the SO series, I'd never dish out the cash for a 360/PS3 just to play it.

*crosses fingers*
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Dale Gobbler on February 07, 2008, 12:09:59 am
Heh, well then that's a pretty big line up of PS3 Exlcusive RPGs. I might pick one up when the price gets dropped for those, also for the  backwards compatability and threquels like God of War 3 and Kingdom Hearts 3(?).
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Impeal on February 07, 2008, 01:13:02 am
Yeah, KH3 and some "Tales of" games are what I'm really looking forward to, but so far, no word on either. :(
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: TrickLobster on February 07, 2008, 02:14:43 am
The backwards compatibility issue was why I bought my playstation 3 early. They removed the hardware emulation out of the PS3 to lower the price so now the backwards compatibility is limited to software emulation and I heard that's what tends to have issues with some games. With my PS3 that I bought last year I've played alot of PS1 and PS2 games and they've all worked perfectly (FFs, Vagrant Story, Shinobi, Street Fighter Anniversary, etc). But yea, I only have 2 PS3 games and I pretty much only use it to play DVDs, PS/2 games cuz theres nothing out thats worth getting. Theres Call of Duty 4 and all those crazy online multiplayer games but I'd rather get them for 360 because of how easy xboxlive is to use, until home comes out its usually better to get multiplayer multiplatform games on the 360. That is my possibly unbiased I have all 3 systems opinion.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Jeff on February 07, 2008, 02:16:34 am
So can anyone answer my questions on backwards compatibility? It would appear that there are definitely some good PS3 RPGs in the works, now I just need to tango with the system itself.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Impeal on February 07, 2008, 02:32:07 am
Well, from my understanding, the 60 gig currently has the best backwards compatibility. It's the one with the hardware emulation. the 80 gig has some trouble right now, but ultimately it's suppose to have better backwards compatibility than the 60 gig, because since it's software they're able to put out updates for it and fix issues with different titles. They've actually already done this a couple of times, releasing firmware updates that did nothing else except fix playback problems with certain PS2 games.

You can go here (http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatus) and find out what games work on which system.

-edit-
Oh yeah, and you can definitely still play PS1 games. Even the 40 gig supports PS1 titles. It's because of all this remote play stuff they're doing. You can put a PS1 disc into your PS3, and then stream it to your PSP. It's pretty awesome stuff. Read more about it here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Play).

Also, I have a 60 gig model and I've yet to have any trouble playing any PS2 or PS1 games.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Cardinal Ximenez on February 07, 2008, 02:55:05 am
Indigo Prophecy "freezes" in the middle of a cutscene right in the middle of the game. IT IS SO FUCKING ANNOYING. I even bought another copy because I thought the disc was bad. And my PS2 is broken. Apparently, the game went completely insane just after the part I was at, but I need closure.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: SpiralViper on February 07, 2008, 12:43:25 pm
I have a 60 gig. Initially I had problems with some of my Megaten games freezing randomly, but after a firmware upgrade all of my games ran great.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: jamie on February 07, 2008, 12:45:12 pm
eternal sonata is a worthless piece of crap anyway. i bought it and have come to regret my decision.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Raimiette on February 07, 2008, 01:08:33 pm
I have a 60GB PS3 and the only PS2 or PS1 game I've had issues with was Chrono Cross.

Unfortunately, the glitch makes and game completely unplayable after a certain point (ghost ship) and from my investigations online EVERYONE who plays CC on PS3 has this problem (the game freezes up requiring a hard reset when you use a an element (or the enemy uses an element) and it happens EVERY SINGLE TIME!)


So I'm upset about that but everything else works great!
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Jeff on February 07, 2008, 02:39:40 pm
Well does Chrono Cross work right on the 80GB one because it is one of the games I play the most.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: maladroithim on February 07, 2008, 03:40:23 pm
Okay so backwards compatibility on PS3 is really confusing and here is how it goes:

- All units play PS1 games through pure software emulation.  Most PS1 games should be fine (I have heard nothing either way about Chrono Cross though)
- The original run of units (like the 60 and 20 gig) have full hardware backwards compatibility and has trouble only with peripherals, so unsupported games are limited to things like Guitar Hero.  Since they have PS2 hardware inside of them, they also have PS1 hardware inside of them.  Emulation is almost completely perfect.
- The 80 gig units have *partial* software emulation for PS2 games.  They still have the graphics chip from the PS2 but emulate the processor.  This is sort of a big misconception.  The result is that the emulation is actually more or less perfect for almost all games that matter (I think Madden 2001 had a few bugs or something).
- From now on, all of the new PS3s (such as the 40 gig and upcoming 100+ gig) will have the PS2 graphics chip removed and there will be no PS2 backwards compatibility.
- There is a good chance that Sony will add pure software emulation for PS2 through a future firmware upgrade.  Their company position is that their legacy as a licensor is important and they seem to see the value in supporting classic games as it is perceived as a valuable feature.

Anyway, about RPGs:

PS3's only real jRPGs that I know of are Folklore, Enchanted Arms, and Eternal Sonata; I have all three and they are all pretty terrible.  Enchanted Arms is actually, as Dada would put it, profoundly insulting.  That said, every gamer at this forum will probably tell you to buy an XBox360 regardless of which genre you prefer.  Right now there are a lot more Japanese RPGs for 360 (there aren't really many on 360 either) than there are for PS3, and the PS3 has something like 3 exclusive major RPGs announced for the US anytime within the next several years.  If you like Japanese RPGs, I'd probably tell you to stick with handhelds or something. 

But if you are set on buying a PS3, it's not like it matters when you compare it to 360 because either way you'll have lots of awesome games to play.  I have both a 360 and PS3 and it seems like most major games come out on both.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Raimiette on February 07, 2008, 05:18:32 pm
Quote from: Jeff on February 07, 2008, 02:39:40 pm
Well does Chrono Cross work right on the 80GB one because it is one of the games I play the most.

From what I've read online (Official PS3 forums among other places, do a google search for "Chrono Cross PS3" and you'll find several sites) Chrono Coss has the same issue for both the 60 and 80GB PS3's.

I haven't yet come across any evidence that it's an isolated problem.  It seems literally everyone who plays CC on their PS3 has this problem.

I'm hoping for an update or something that will fix the problem but it doesn't look particulaly likely.

I already got rid of my PS2 so I guess I'm S.O.L.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Ciel on February 08, 2008, 05:36:12 am
Quote from: kentona on February 06, 2008, 10:29:28 pm
Why are all of FF's latest protagonists girly-men?

 Because it is no longer 1950 and there is a greater range of aesthetic principles afforded to the male gender than the following:
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: maladroithim on February 08, 2008, 04:35:43 pm
Quote from: Ciel on February 08, 2008, 05:36:12 am
Porno

Well at least I have a bigger package than the ideal man  :cry:
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: kentona on February 08, 2008, 04:48:57 pm
Wait, if there is a greater range....then why do all of the male FF heroes look identical?  (sissy girly boys with a half-smirk, spikey hair and a slight build, and couldn't weigh more than a buck-20).
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Ohlichris on February 08, 2008, 09:22:29 pm
FFXIII's protagonist is actually a woman...
But yeah, Vaan looked way too girly.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Paranoia Dude on February 08, 2008, 10:24:51 pm
Quote from: Ohlichris on February 08, 2008, 09:22:29 pm
FFXIII's protagonist is actually a woman...
But yeah, Vaan looked way too girly.
technically, so was FFXII's. sure you PLAYED as Vaan but the protagonist of the story was Ashe.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: DS on February 17, 2008, 07:58:06 pm
TOPIC HIJACK

so i bought a ps3 today and i want to know some things:

1) Can I play ps1 games with the 40gb version? (prolly yes based on maladroithim's earlier post)
2) Are PS3 games region free or not? Even though I live in Europe and I have a PAL console, I buy a lot of games from America and sometimes Asia, so I need to know if my console can play them or not. If not, I'll probably have to mod my ps3 when I can afford it.

And then, game recommendations. I got Ratchet & Clank and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune with the console but I'm probably going to buy 1-2 other games as well. Folklore, DMC4 and Assassin's Creed are the games I want the most so if anyone has played those, opinions would be appreciated. I have also been thinking about buying Heavenly Sword and Jeff recommended Dynasty Warriors 6.

so....he;lp.

also mgs4 soon :naughty:
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Impeal on February 18, 2008, 01:07:56 am
1) Yes, you can. But not PS2 games.
2) I'm pretty sure they are.

As for recommendations, I'd say Warhawk and Call of Duty 4 (you probably already have the PC version of CoD though). Heavenly Sword is okay, but it's short, and easy, and once I beat it I never touched it again, so there's hardly any replay value. Assassin's Creed, I dunno. At first I disliked it, then I kind of got into it, then I disliked it again. It's incredibly repetitive. I haven't played Folklore or DMC4. Uncharted is currently my favorite PS3 game so it's cool that you already got that.

There are some worthwhile PSN games, like Everyday Shooter, Pixel Junk Monsters, and GripShift.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Christophomicus on February 18, 2008, 01:30:17 am
Do not get Assassin's Creed for PS3. It is buggy as hell.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: pburn on February 18, 2008, 01:44:03 am
Quote from: Christophomicus on February 18, 2008, 01:30:17 am
Do not get Assassin's Creed for PS3. It is buggy as hell.
I really had no problem with it. I thought the patches fixed all the bugs. I finished the game a few days ago and had a pretty good experience.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Ash on February 18, 2008, 01:54:36 am
Pixel Junk Monsters on co-op is by far the best purchase I've made from the PSN. Can't really make any reccomendations, as all I keep an eye on for the PS3 is shooters. COD4, Warhawk and Resistance were all solid purchases for me, but shooters might not be your thing.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: DS on February 18, 2008, 07:10:56 am
I like shooters but I don't play FPSes on consoles because I don't like playing them with a controller so yeah, no need to recommend any FPSes.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: theHunter on February 18, 2008, 09:16:01 am
Playstation system = 2 year wait for RPGs.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: ThugTears666 on February 18, 2008, 09:20:53 am
Do you guys still see xbox360 as a better buy in the long term? My main reason for getting ps3 would be that it is a relatively new system and could outlast 360 and beat it in terms of good games in the future. MGS4, Tekken, GTAIV and FF would be the names pulling me towards ps3.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Impeal on February 18, 2008, 11:42:23 am
Quote from: Ash on February 18, 2008, 01:54:36 am
Pixel Junk Monsters on co-op is by far the best purchase I've made from the PSN.
Yeah, agreed. That game is incredibly addicting. Everyday Shooter is also really good, but Pixel Junk Monsters is 3 dollars less and has way more content.

Quote from: DragonSlayer on February 18, 2008, 07:10:56 am
I like shooters but I don't play FPSes on consoles because I don't like playing them with a controller so yeah, no need to recommend any FPSes.
Well, Warhawk isn't an FPS (it's third person). It might be worth looking into it at least. It's online only though, so I dunno if that's a problem or not.

Also, on that note, tell me your PSN ID (if you got one yet) so we can friend each other. :)

Quote from: theHunter on February 18, 2008, 09:16:01 am
Playstation system = 2 year wait for RPGs.
You mean 2 years from when it was released, right? In that case, yeah, it's true.

But definitely (or, well, at least hopefully) not 2 years from now. More like half a year. Which is still pretty sad I guess, but there are plenty of games to hold me over 'till then, so whatever.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: DS on February 18, 2008, 05:36:25 pm
Quote
Well, Warhawk isn't an FPS (it's third person). It might be worth looking into it at least. It's online only though, so I dunno if that's a problem or not.

Also, on that note, tell me your PSN ID (if you got one yet) so we can friend each other.
I'll check out Warhawk. And I don't have PSN ID yet as I don't have the console yet. It should arrive in a few days. I don't know if I'm going to even use PS3 for playing online though, maybe someone wants to tell me about the online functions it got. Is it easy to set up and is it free?
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: theHunter on February 18, 2008, 06:54:28 pm
Quote from: DragonSlayer on February 18, 2008, 05:36:25 pm
Is it easy to set up and is it free?

Yes and yes.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Ash on February 18, 2008, 07:06:34 pm
An awesome thing about the PSN: It has no real way of linking your account to a single PS3. So basically if you wanted you could have a buddy log in using your ps3, and you could download all his purchases off the store free of charge.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: DS on February 18, 2008, 08:23:52 pm
what if... i dont have b-buddies..
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Ash on February 18, 2008, 09:43:30 pm
Then you'll have to spend $8.99 on pixel junk monsters!
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: theHunter on February 19, 2008, 04:45:32 am
Quote from: Ash on February 18, 2008, 09:43:30 pm
Then you'll have to spend $8.99 on pixel junk monsters!

Pixel Junk Monsters is the shit! That and Super Stardust.

Also, Folklore is truly a great game.  It starts of slow but picks up after the first area.  Just don't go in expecting an RPG... cuz I wouldn't classify it as one.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: maladroithim on February 19, 2008, 04:12:40 pm
Quote from: Ash on February 18, 2008, 07:06:34 pm
An awesome thing about the PSN: It has no real way of linking your account to a single PS3. So basically if you wanted you could have a buddy log in using your ps3, and you could download all his purchases off the store free of charge.

This is much better than what happens with XBLA games or DLC when your system inevitably dies and you replace it.  I was so bummed when I happened to play Oblivion on a day my router had come unplugged and I started up to find that my character's armor had disappeared.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: DS on February 21, 2008, 12:16:40 am
So I got my PS3 today and decided to buy DMC4 to go with Uncharted and Ratchet and Clank.

I haven't played R&C yet but I am really liking both DMC4 and Uncharted. DMC4 has awesome gameplay as expected and it's a lot of fun. Uncharted might be even better, I dunno yet. It's really well done, I love the feeling of exploration (even though it's really linear) and the gunfights don't piss me off like I thought they would. Plus I think the voice acting is great and it's just a lot of fun so far. And I love the graphics and locations.

so far so good.....
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Christophomicus on February 21, 2008, 05:20:20 am
DMC4 is amazingly fun; it's short and linear, but it is great fun. The graphics are insane. Plus Dante > Nero.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: xcosmicsoulx on February 25, 2008, 04:11:49 pm
The continuity of the Tenchu series in the Playstation consoles is enough to get a PS3 for me. I mean seriously - "I get to make my own freaking ninja!?" Yes, yes you do.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: SpiralViper on February 25, 2008, 05:19:58 pm
Quote from: theHunter on February 19, 2008, 04:45:32 am
Also, Folklore is truly a great game.  It starts of slow but picks up after the first area.  Just don't go in expecting an RPG... cuz I wouldn't classify it as one.

I'd say it's about as much an RPG as a Zelda game. Meaning yeah, its got plenty of RPG elements but overall is more leaning towards an action game.

I loved the Folk designs, many of them reminded me of Jim Henson's old fantasy movies.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: theHunter on February 27, 2008, 09:00:05 am
Wait and get this:

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/855/855057/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots--20080226051222749.jpeg)
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: kentona on February 27, 2008, 06:59:25 pm
Why?
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Natural on February 27, 2008, 10:06:31 pm
because it's $499, comes with MGS4 AND a Dual Shock 3.

Oh yeah, DS3 is coming stateside April 15th
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Impeal on February 27, 2008, 10:16:53 pm
Quote from: Natural on February 27, 2008, 10:06:31 pm
because it's $499, comes with MGS4 AND a Dual Shock 3.
And apparently it's also backwards compatible.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: theHunter on February 27, 2008, 10:23:37 pm
Also Disgaea 3 comes out in the US in August.  All they need to do now is release a date for White Knight Story and I'll be a happy panda.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Natural on February 28, 2008, 02:57:55 pm
Quote from: Impeal on February 27, 2008, 10:16:53 pm
And apparently it's also backwards compatible.
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with MGS1, MGS2 and somewhat with 3. on 3 the game gets very choppy playing on an 80gig, plays just like PS2 on 60gig
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: maladroithim on February 28, 2008, 03:29:49 pm
Quote from: kentona on February 27, 2008, 06:59:25 pm
Why?

Because the art on the box is really terrible :(
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Natural on February 28, 2008, 04:55:00 pm
Quote from: PS3 Fanboy
For North America:

80gb MGS4 bundle
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.ps3fanboy.com/media/2008/02/mgs480gbbox.jpg)

SCEA has officially announced a new PS3 bundle, which will include an 80GB PS3, Metal Gear Solid 4 and a DUALSHOCK 3 controller for $499 (that's the same cost as the current Motorstorm bundle).

"Working closely with our retail and publishing partners and sharing our hardware and software roadmaps at Destination PlayStation gives us a great opportunity to outline some key milestones for the year. In response to incredible demand, we will be manufacturing more 80GB PS3s for North America and the Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots 80GB PS3 bundle is an ideal way to offer that continued value to our consumers," said Jack Tretton, president and CEO, SCEA. "With Blu-ray having won the format war, our stellar software line-up and a broad product portfolio, we will continue to drive the incredible momentum we've been generating since last fall."

This confirms our previous reports that the 80GB Motorstorm bundle was being phased out. Good to see that it's being replaced with such an attractive upgrade.

For Europe:
40GB Movie Pack
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.ps3fanboy.com/media/2008/02/425_screenshot_193498.jpg)

40GB GT5P Bundle
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.ps3fanboy.com/media/2008/02/425_screenshot_193499.jpg)

When we heard about the MGS4 bundles a couple days back, we were wondering if Europe would be getting the same treatment. Apparently, Europe won't be seeing the 80GB MGS4 pack, but instead will be getting two new bundles in it's place.

The first pack is the "movie bundle" set for a March 19 release. It includes three Blu-ray flicks: Spider-man 3, 300, and Casino Royale. The second includes a copy of Gran Turismo 5 Prologue; this one should hit Euro retailers by March 29. Both bundles are 40GB models (the only ones available in Europe) that come with the regular €399 price tag.

It's pretty sneaky of Sony to introduce a Blu-ray movie pack, especially with HD DVD out of the picture.

Source: http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/02/28/europe-gets-two-new-bundles-sorry-no-mgs4/

The 40gb Movie Pack for Europe is definitely a great value. SCEA should bring that sh*t stateside to replace the Spiderman 40g bundle.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: maladroithim on February 28, 2008, 05:46:20 pm
Quote from: Natural on February 28, 2008, 04:55:00 pm
The 40gb Movie Pack for Europe is definitely a great value. SCEA should bring that sh*t stateside to replace the Spiderman 40g bundle.

But if it doesn't come with an HDMI cable (as far as I know PS3s are still being packed with RCA cables) bundling HD movies is actually pretty silly when you think about it.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: DS on February 28, 2008, 06:06:25 pm
Man, I have to say it's really ridiculous that Sony has forbidden importing PS3 inside European Union. The normal price for a PS3 here in Finland is 470 euros (40gb  version) and it's over 700 fucking dollars. And you guys get 80gb version for $500, and it comes with MGS4. Motherfucking.

I don't really mind having the 40gb version though. I doubt that I'll fill that 40gb (and if I will, you can always buy an external hdd right?) and I have a modded PS2 and most of my PS2 games are bought from America so I couldn't play them on PS3 anyway. I still hope that they'll make it PS2 comptabile through emulation or something though.

But yeah the price differences are so insane.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: kentona on February 28, 2008, 06:23:44 pm
I'd rather have Spiderman with the 80Gb version (which has backwards compatibility, which I want because I don't have a PS1 or PS2), than some game I'd never play.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: DS on February 28, 2008, 06:35:45 pm
Quote from: kentona on February 28, 2008, 06:23:44 pm
I'd rather have Spiderman with the 80Gb version (which has backwards compatibility, which I want because I don't have a PS1 or PS2), than some game I'd never play.
Yeah and it costs nearly $800 dollars which is $300 more. My point wasn't WOAH MGS4 but that it's the 80gb version, comes with a game and is a lot cheaper than 40gb version which doesn't come with a game. I second:

Motherfucking.

Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: maladroithim on February 28, 2008, 06:49:15 pm
Quote from: DragonSlayer on February 28, 2008, 06:06:25 pm
Man, I have to say it's really ridiculous that Sony has forbidden importing PS3 inside European Union. The normal price for a PS3 here in Finland is 470 euros (40gb  version) and it's over 700 fucking dollars. And you guys get 80gb version for $500, and it comes with MGS4. Motherfucking.

I don't really mind having the 40gb version though. I doubt that I'll fill that 40gb (and if I will, you can always buy an external hdd right?)

Dude you really need to set up clandestine deals with your buddies at GamingW to buy a US PS3 and ship it to you.  It might cost $100 to ship but you will probably come out ahead.

Also you can upgrade the PS3 hard drive with any laptop harddrive with the correct specifications (it has to have exactly the correct speed in order to work).  Some people are rocking 300 or 400 GB hard drives in their PS3s and it's pretty affordable to upgrade.  I really don't understand why Sony is releasing all of these different SKUs with 20 GB increments because there's really no qualitative difference in the cost of materials -- all of the hard drives they are ordering are outdated and probably comparably inexpensive.
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: Natural on February 29, 2008, 03:49:52 pm
I have a 60gb and a 40gb. The 60gb almost gets no use (I've honestly been thinking about selling it) the 40gb on the other hand has a 320gb HDD in it now, over 70 gigs of movies, 10 gigs of music, tons of pictures and is where I do all my ps3 gaming. I bought a PS3 b/c I wanted to play PS3 games. Honestly if I ever do happen to play a PS2 game (I've been playing DMC1) as of late, I pop it into my PS2 slim. I don't get why so many people are complaining about BC.

Oh yeah, for HDMI issues, go to monoprice.com. They have HDMI cables for like $5 shipped. (Sony should just buy there whole stock and distribute it with PS3s).
Title: PS3, Backwards Compatibility, RPGs, and Other Issues
Post by: kentona on February 29, 2008, 03:56:15 pm
It's because we don't have PS2s....