et's just hope that Jack Thompson doesn't come into this for any reason. *shivers*Chances are he will make a comment about it before anything is even known about the shooter(Like the last major shooting)
This is why I won't go to university. All you school-goers are whackjobs.Here at UCF there is a rather large student movement pressing the administration to allow students to carry handguns on campus so that if this happens the students can gun down the attacker and prevent further injury. And I do mean large. That should tell you how serious this is on most campuses.
Do they know why, yet?I'm not sure. Probably some sort of mental sickness and/or personal vendetta.
handguns? they should allow them to have assault rifles, if hundreds of people had them, we'd all feel really safe.Well that is kind of the concept. They say that if the university allowed students to carry handguns that people would think twice before trying to shoot up the campus. The big argument is that that would increase the likelihood of a student using a gun, but the proponents argue that people who are intent on starting school shootings would be able to get guns anyway, so allowing people to carry guns would not increase the likelihood. At the last debate about this I argued that many people who participate in school shootings kill themselves anyway so the pain of death would not deter them, but I did not get a particularly logical reply back.
Here at UCF there is a rather large student movement pressing the administration to allow students to carry handguns on campus so that if this happens the students can gun down the attacker and prevent further injury. And I do mean large. That should tell you how serious this is on most campuses.That's just fucking stupid. Although it would mean people would have something to defend themselves with in such a moment, the amount of shootings would just rise (note, not mass-shootings, single events etc).
There's no way we could have a school shooting. I'm currently going to a local community college, and after the Virginia Tech shooting, we had some kind of role playing scenario that messed up everyones class schedules. We had High school kids coming into the school and sitting their pretending to be dead, while like all the police in the city showed up and told everyone to get inside a classroom. Me and my friends just chilled in an empty room till they came in an told us to go outside. Then we went to class and chilled, because it was practically cancelled.right theres no way this could happen at your school because you staged a fake shooting and now everyone is safe
Oh, get this, did I mention that we had people role playing as terrorists?! We had the freaking Swat team come to our floor and line up outside the door to the terrace outside. One of the terrorists was hiding in a room outside and were killing Cops and Swat team members. This went on for a while untileveryone realised the drill was pointlessthe terrorists all "died".
This is pretty terrible, and I'd like to hear the thoughts of people who are in university/college. Do you feel afraid that something like this could happen at your college? Also, I'm wondering if anyone has a timeline of school shootings in North America since the time of Columbine. Is the frequency increasing? Or just being reported more? Is there some kind of chain reaction in our cultural consciousness going on here?
right theres no way this could happen at your school because you staged a fake shooting and now everyone is safe
usually this happens when the student feels at least mentally isolated, sometimes physically, but really the ones to worry about are those who are less connected with whats going on around them. This is a theory to explain why there are more suicides in rural areas than not. If someone is able to dehumanize the people in a society, it becomes a lot easier to kill them because in their eyes, they're something less of a human. It's always hard to predict this type of crap happening, because anything can trigger this mentality. I believe the best thing to do is provide some sort of psychological support group for students, not handguns.That doesn't really make sense. Dehumanization is the result of severe trauma, not just a disconnect from society. Just LIVING IN RURAL AREA doesn't make people more likely to dehumanize/be dehumanized. Not just anything can trigger a complete disconnect from reality (ie a psychotic break) in anyone, it happens specifically to those who are mentally ill, and with the most common psychotic breaks resulting from schizophrenia (iirc) the symptoms should develop a few days/weeks prior to the break and it should be able to be prevented.
Here at UCF there is a rather large student movement pressing the administration to allow students to carry handguns on campus so that if this happens the students can gun down the attacker and prevent further injury. And I do mean large. That should tell you how serious this is on most campuses.This troubles me.
This troubles me.
There needs to be a name for this Phenomenon
Insanity?
Let's all hop on the insane bandwagon!
Here at UCF there is a rather large student movement pressing the administration to allow students to carry handguns on campus so that if this happens the students can gun down the attacker and prevent further injury. And I do mean large. That should tell you how serious this is on most campuses.
That's just fucking stupid. Although it would mean people would have something to defend themselves with in such a moment, the amount of shootings would just rise (note, not mass-shootings, single events etc).
I feel pretty safe up here in Canada. I can only remember 3 school shooting here in Quebec and one of them wasn't really a school shooting.
And we don't have that fucked up relationship with guns that you have in the USA. I mean, with what Jeff said, you just cannot deny that there is a problem.
:words:That dehumanization isn't complete bullshit. The guy who did our schoolshooting had pretty much reasoned his shooting with some loosely quoted NIETCHZE (like Hitler, you know?) mixed with some other stupid philosophies. He thought everybody else are lower people and that he is some better one, with the responsibility to do humanity a favour and kill as many as possible etc.
ptizzleWell, i'm not so sure whether any licenced gun legalization would be too much of use, unless you had some ungodly effective bureacracy system to make it work and that's just unrealistic.
I meant a nick nam-- No.
But no guns = higher crime*Are you kidding me?
*based on irefutible scientific study done about 100 years ago.
Well that is kind of the concept. They say that if the university allowed students to carry handguns that people would think twice before trying to shoot up the campus. The big argument is that that would increase the likelihood of a student using a gun, but the proponents argue that people who are intent on starting school shootings would be able to get guns anyway, so allowing people to carry guns would not increase the likelihood. At the last debate about this I argued that many people who participate in school shootings kill themselves anyway so the pain of death would not deter them, but I did not get a particularly logical reply back.Serious? You think a guy who shot and killed himself after the shooting would think twice about it if other people had guns? Really?
Not sure if this is real or not...but the incident took place at around 3PM and this was posted at 12 PM... (I'm hoping it's a time difference thing):Hidden content (Click to reveal)(http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3676/1203028944595mt3.jpg)
Serious? You think a guy who shot and killed himself after the shooting would think twice about it if other people had guns? Really?I'm kind of amazed you quoted a post you didn't read all the way through because I said "At the last debate about this I argued that many people who participate in school shootings kill themselves anyway so the pain of death would not deter them".
In all likelyhood, more people would get hurt.
I actually go to NIU, a guy I know got shot, he's the male that's still in critical condition at Rockford memorial hospital. Sucks.That's horrible! I'm sorry to hear about your friend. How are you dealing with things so far?
They need to have airport-like security at campuses. Annoying? Maybe. Effective? Yes.
It's not unlikely that the next one might be you.
it's definitely unlikely. do you know how probabilities work? being killed in a school shooting is way up on the list of unlikeliness.Yeah, right. Want to tell that to the people that got shot? I bet they thought it was unlikely too. Any loner around you could snap at any minute and shoot up the school.
That's horrible! I'm sorry to hear about your friend. How are you dealing with things so far?
Also, I really hope that 4chan thing is fake. If it turns out to be true, there's going to be a huge movement toward monitoring website activity and taking each and every claim as true. There's probably hundreds of kids on popular sites every day like MySpace, Facebook, and 4chan who say shit like IM GONNA KILL PEOPLE
Yeah, right. Want to tell that to the people that got shot? I bet they thought it was unlikely too. Any loner around you could snap at any minute and shoot up the school.
holy fuck you retard if someone is below the margin of error as far as possible deaths go, it's incredibly unlikely. THAT IS WHAT UNLIKELY MEANS, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. the people who got shot know this, that is kind of why it is tragic and horrible.Yeah, whatever you fucktard. You'll see what I mean when another school shooting similar to this one happens a month from now. When you have a large gathering of people in one area, you're going to need suitable security, otherwise they are just one big target for a possible shooter. If you don't understand that, then you are seriously a faggot (name calling is fun, isn't it?). Maybe not airport security, but at least the same level that stadiums have.
whoa guys 9/11 happened dont work in office buildings.
whoa guys steve irwin got stingrayed dont go in the ocean.
whoa guys on house this one lady died because the wood in her house was infections dont go near trees.
whoa this girl on the internet died when her computer exploded I'm signing off forever.
it's incredibly unlikely and this shit about "oh we need to put up AIRPORT SECURITY MEASURES" is hilarious. yes because crime exists we should install a police state for walking through a campus.
Yeah, whatever you fucktard. You'll see what I mean when another school shooting similar to this one happens a month from now. When you have a large gathering of people in one area, you're going to need suitable security, otherwise they are just one big target for a possible shooter. If you don't understand that, then you are seriously a faggot (name calling is fun, isn't it?). Maybe not airport security, but at least the same level that stadiums have.
Yeah, whatever you fucktard. You'll see what I mean when another school shooting similar to this one happens a month from now. When you have a large gathering of people in one area, you're going to need suitable security, otherwise they are just one big target for a possible shooter. If you don't understand that, then you are seriously a faggot (name calling is fun, isn't it?). Maybe not airport security, but at least the same level that stadiums have.I think you might want to go back and complete your statistics part of your 7th grade math class dude. Like the other guy said, 5 in a year. The media is just really hyping it. Yes it's sad and such but IT HAPPENS. Hell I go to Dawson College, I know a lot of people that were right there when Kim Ver Gill came in, they didn't get shot. Although one girl did they get, it doesn't mean there's a lot of chances of this happening to you. You might want to log off your computer because computers can explore or maybe a plane can crash on your house, run run away! Run to the hills, run for your life (sorry I'm listening to that song...)
That doesn't really make sense. Dehumanization is the result of severe trauma, not just a disconnect from society. Just LIVING IN RURAL AREA doesn't make people more likely to dehumanize/be dehumanized. Not just anything can trigger a complete disconnect from reality (ie a psychotic break) in anyone, it happens specifically to those who are mentally ill, and with the most common psychotic breaks resulting from schizophrenia (iirc) the symptoms should develop a few days/weeks prior to the break and it should be able to be prevented.
The REAL ones you have to worry about are people afflicted with anti-social personality disorder, which is just the fancy word for psychopath or sociopath (although these people are usually older). They can seem like perfectly normal, and even appealing people, but one day they could just burst in shooting, and no one would expect it.
my university, NC State, is "2,110 acres on the Raleigh Campus, plus more than 101,000 acres in research and extension farms, forests and facilities throughout the state."
the Carolina Panthers Stadium is 33 acres.
tell me how similar security measures can be put in place on a university with multiple entrances and buildings as would be in a stadium without skyrocketing tuition or some other equally ridiculous measure.
This is absolutely true.Plus reducing the number of entrances would be pretty stupid in case of an emergency such as a fire etc, it limits the exits. Hell, I'm just in a cegep and it's pretty frickin' huge even though it only takes one block (which is considerably smaller than most university campuses in the US.
Let me just say that I live on a FUCKING TINY campus and there is STILL no way to secure every entrance into it. I am talking about a place where (unless you're an athlete and have to walk all of one block to the athletic fields) in your normal day you will probably only cross one pretty small street. You may cross it quite a few times, but basically every building you'd be in is either on THIS side of the street or THAT side of the street. Even still, there is absolutely no way to block off this entire area because there are so many doors to enter every building and waaaay too many ways to get on the campus itself. The kind of security people are wanting after things like this are not possible.
Yeah, right. Want to tell that to the people that got shot? I bet they thought it was unlikely too. Any loner around you could snap at any minute and shoot up the school.There's a bigger chance you'll die as a result of a coconut falling on your head.
From what I've heard, the guy was actually a normal person who was skipping his medication. He was actually a "celebrated student" whatever that means. I think he was already a grad student aiming to become a lawyer.Interesting. On a note, the shooter here also skipped his depression medication around that time when he did it.
That individual's feeling can foster into a personality disorder such as anti-social personality disorder, if you like the DSM-IV, you'll know that roughly 75% of all inmates have been diagnosed with this. Basically, they're not in prison because they have a mental disorder, they have been labelled with ASPD because they're in prison, a characteristic of the disorder is that they've been in trouble with the law. Also it is important to remember that it can happen to anyone. You're not born with a personality disorder, and it's not exclusive to certain individuals, could be males, females, white, black, poor, rich.Thats just not true dude. I think you are getting mixed up with antisocial anxiety disorder, which is much more common and follows what you're saying more closely. APD is only diagnosed to 3% of all males and 1% of all females, which is most definitely not 75% of all inmates. Besides this, APD can happen one of two ways: birth (psychopath) or severe traumatic experiences (sociopath). So yea, people CAN and ARE born with personality disorders. And by severe traumatic experiences I don't just mean like LOL ISOLATION, I mean like multiple rapes, beatings, torture, witnessing massacre, etc. Also inmates are unlikely to get a diagnosis of APD because most people who have it are in high-security mental institutions.
Not sure if this is real or not...but the incident took place at around 3PM and this was posted at 12 PM... (I'm hoping it's a time difference thing):Hidden content (Click to reveal)(http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3676/1203028944595mt3.jpg)