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Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: ase on February 19, 2008, 01:53:34 pm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7252109.stm

Man..... he's been the leader/dictator of Cuba for half a century. That's crazy. Will a people choose a very different, more democratic leader for themselves now? Or are they too sheltered to know any better? Will this actually change anything? Will there be elections or coups in the future?
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Vale on February 19, 2008, 02:13:14 pm
Half a century? Not exactly; more like 49 years!

Too bad he couldn't reach that milestone.
Cuba's probably going to change drastically (on American policies on Cuba) by the end of this year.
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: XxSylverxX on February 19, 2008, 02:16:52 pm
dont count on it, hes nominating his brother...and likely it will be a forceful nomination and no one else will run against him.
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: kentona on February 19, 2008, 02:37:41 pm
He's still alive??

I was pretty sure the last few years was all "Weekend at Bernie's"-style...
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Cho on February 19, 2008, 02:39:14 pm
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Cuba's probably going to change drastically (on American policies on Cuba) by the end of this year.

Probably not, considering, as XxSylverxX pointed out, his brother is running. The same brother that's been the acting President of Cuba since last summer. Has  Cuba changed dramatically since last summer? I honestly don't know.

AWRIGHT, now its time to see which United States Presidential candidate makes this a talking point first. 
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Ragnar on February 19, 2008, 02:43:30 pm
great victory for freedoms
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 19, 2008, 03:09:18 pm
ase do you know how dictatorships work.

pretty sure you dont think WELL TIME TO MAKE SURE THEY GO TO DEMOCRACY AFTER THIS.
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Vellfire on February 19, 2008, 03:20:49 pm
I thought he was referring to what George Bush said in the article about "WELL MAYBE NOW THEY'LL FINALLY BE A DEMOCRACY"
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: helter skelter on February 19, 2008, 03:23:03 pm
I heard about this tonight; pretty major stuff here. Wonder how it'll turn out.
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: ase on February 19, 2008, 03:25:27 pm
ase do you know how dictatorships work.

pretty sure you dont think WELL TIME TO MAKE SURE THEY GO TO DEMOCRACY AFTER THIS.
well the article doesn't really talk about how the next successor will be chosen. That's why I'm asking if there will be some sort of family-passing-down of the position without the chance for democratic elections or if some PEOPLE'S PARTY will show up and steal the hot seat or if his stepping down implies a temporary loss of power where he doesn't have as much control over what happens after his resignation.

doesn't his departure mean there will at least be a chance for the people to force elections upon a weakened government? I'm not really familiar with the history or what tends to happen when  dictator steps down!

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The National Assembly is widely expected to elect 76-year-old Raul Castro as his successor, although analysts say there is speculation about a possible generational jump with Vice-President Carlos Lage Davila, 56, a leading contender.
OK, so there is this piece of information. They have a "representative" board of people choose the successor.
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Mince Wobley on February 19, 2008, 04:32:29 pm
I hope someone nice like Fidel becomes the new cuban leader, instead of a new fulgencio batista or someone else that does everything US wants. Thanks to Fidel there is free healthcare in Cuba, so he wasn't an evil dictator like Saddam or pinochet
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Taylor Kaz on February 19, 2008, 04:42:49 pm
he must have tripped and fell a little too hard this time... whhhatttt?

yea he must have fell off his rocker.
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Cray on February 19, 2008, 04:43:19 pm
I can't say that I know how people feel about their leader in cuba, but a few friends that went over there noticed that even though not everyone likes him,it seems to be a somewhat fair person, also I haven't heard any horrible stories like with pinochet in chile.
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Carrion Crow on February 19, 2008, 04:47:37 pm
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Feldschlacht IV on February 19, 2008, 04:48:12 pm
Isn't his brother next in line for leadership of the country? I believe I've read somewhere that his brother is the vice-president, or the next step down, or something among those lines.
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: jsnnoa on February 19, 2008, 04:49:34 pm
I am half Cuban, my dad coming from Cuba. I really hope things change there, because my dad told me once they did he would take me. I know he really wants to go back but not under Castro's (or anyone like him) rule. My grandfather had to work in the sugar cane fields for three years before they had permission to leave the country (they actually left legally).
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Lyndon on February 19, 2008, 04:50:09 pm
a dictatorship can work really well if the leader isn't a power hungry insane freak. Castro had a vision for Cuba and knew how to bring it. He also survived over 600 assassination attempts from CIA.

Survivor
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: GirlBones on February 19, 2008, 06:47:44 pm
ase do you know how dictatorships work.

pretty sure you dont think WELL TIME TO MAKE SURE THEY GO TO DEMOCRACY AFTER THIS.

There are some pretty solid instances of Latin American countries attempting democratic government directly after a dictatorship.
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: tuxedo marx on February 19, 2008, 06:50:03 pm
I thought he was referring to what George Bush said in the article about "WELL MAYBE NOW THEY'LL FINALLY BE A DEMOCRACY"
thanks for the input, head of a republic
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Blitzen on February 19, 2008, 06:51:43 pm
I am still hoping that the cold war will heat up again but it looks like another loss for the good guys, eh comrades?
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 19, 2008, 06:58:38 pm
There are some pretty solid instances of Latin American countries attempting democratic government directly after a dictatorship.

not usually at the behest of the government though! the cuban people don't suffer too much as of current (feel free to correct me, I know next to nothing about the living state of cuba) so I don't see them starting a revolution.
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Shepperd on February 19, 2008, 07:03:43 pm
guys nothing is changing.
Mostly because Raul is the next presi
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: tuxedo marx on February 19, 2008, 07:05:26 pm
yeah, Pon Raul is the next president. he bears a striking resemblence to Ron Paul, except with dark sunglasses and a fake moustache
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: GirlBones on February 19, 2008, 07:09:02 pm
I talked over chess with one of my TAs last semester about Cuba. He grew up in Havana in the 80s and 90s, and came to America with permission from the Cuban government to  work at a university. He was actually supposed to get information about the United States and bring it back to Cuba, if you can believe it! Instead of going back, however, he applied for US citizenship and stayed in the country. He is actually b& from Cuba. 

Cuba was actually one of the most successful nations in the world for three decades, because of the vast amount of money and infrastructure they received on a regular basis from the USSR. In the early nineties, when all of that support was taken away, Cuba should have changed their system of government because of their lack of self-sufficiency. Because they didn't, the general population is pretty concretely impoverished, including educated people like doctors and lawyers.

He said that things like meat are too expensive for Cubans to have on even a weekly basis. That isn't as bad as many other countries in the world, but because most cubans over 20 remember the quality of life during the 60s-80s, I wouldn't be surprised if there is some desire for change.

I remember asking him if people wanted to keep their system of government, and he said that the main thing that Cubans want is restored relations with the united states. I think that they would be willing to make some democratic reforms to achieve that.
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Shepperd on February 19, 2008, 07:10:39 pm
There are some pretty solid instances of Latin American countries attempting democratic government directly after a dictatorship.
Dude, these solid instances of Latin American countries attempting a democratic government directly after a dictatorship have one main thing in common:
The dictatorship is held by military forces THAT HATE COMMIES.
Their belief is to RESTORE ORDER and once it is accomplished they hold elections.
Cuba has a communist dictatorship, so I am not seeing a democracy any time soon.
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: GirlBones on February 19, 2008, 07:12:42 pm
Dude, these solid instances of Latin American countries attempting a democratic government directly after a dictatorship have one main thing in common:
The dictatorship is held by military forces THAT HATE COMMIES.
Their belief is to RESTORE ORDER and once it is accomplished they hold elections.
Cuba has a communist dictatorship, so I am not seeing a democracy any time soon.

That's a good distinction, but I still think that Cuba needs US support enough to make some changes. It's all context, I guess.
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: alucard on February 19, 2008, 07:14:40 pm
(http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/25021/castro-fidel-tvimage-cp-1990171.jpg)

all I know is.. he sports a pretty badass tracksuit.
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Marcus on February 19, 2008, 07:19:38 pm
I wouldn't mind it at all if trade relations opened back up with Cuba.  After buying Cuban cigars and tobacco in Dubai I have come to the conclusion that America's problems are based on the fact that we don't smoke enough Cubans.

I guarantee you that if Cuban tobacco was legal in the US then crime rates and school shootings would plummet.
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Death Gulp on February 19, 2008, 07:25:22 pm
So much for me.. I thought he died last year..
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Oldboy on February 20, 2008, 12:54:48 pm
  I really wouldn't recommend Cuba going all Democratic. Its all written in the prince by Machiavelli, you don't go and impose drastic changes to a state.
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Taylor Kaz on February 20, 2008, 01:11:32 pm
This world would be a scary place if the united states gov could force every country to become capitalist.
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: something bizarre and impractical on February 20, 2008, 03:50:21 pm
democracy is the only way yeah!!
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: `~congresman Ron paul~~ on February 20, 2008, 04:24:01 pm
reading this thread i'm not sure which of you guys are being sarcastic or not but if any of you are seriously suggesting things were just great under castro or that it's fine for cuba to be a dictatorship you are an idiot.

i know lots of cuban emigrants because i live in florida. you know who the only people still advocating invading cuba and throwing out the communist government are? pretty much every cuban emigrant. cubans hate hate HATE castro. I've heard some of them say his biggest supporters are marxist university professors and dumb hippies.

also anything you've heard as a 'plus' of cuba (equality, free health care) is pretty much a lie. though there is free health care, it's horrible. i heard from a cuban friend about one guy who went to one of Havana's biggest hospitals with a broken leg and had to sit for over twelve hours to get a pair of bent crutches. cubans aren't allowed to watch anything but state TV, can't go on the internet, have electricity limits that last only a couple of hours a day, are desperately poor and can't afford basic commodities like food and toilet paper. Cuba executes and imprisons opposition in the name of the people, runs a police state, and prohibits free speech.

yes, some of the economic stuff is because of the US embargo, but it would likely be nearly as bad because cuba is a communist dictatorship which brutalizes its citizenry and denies them access to almost any of the resources that we as rich americans and europeans take for granted.

if you can support this kind of shit you are an appalling person.

but hey the cigars are great
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Carrion Crow on February 20, 2008, 04:34:06 pm
Excellent post that :)
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 20, 2008, 04:53:30 pm
reading this thread i'm not sure which of you guys are being sarcastic or not but if any of you are seriously suggesting things were just great under castro or that it's fine for cuba to be a dictatorship you are an idiot.

cool no one said this. we did say however it is unlikely that without outside intervention that the dictatorship will be overthrown. they aren't great but they also aren't so poor off as to decide to revolt.
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: GirlBones on February 20, 2008, 06:37:02 pm
treg a stallion, mang
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Farren on February 21, 2008, 11:17:08 am
yeah but guys what about

CH-CH-CH-CH CHINA!!??


I've heard that they've got some pretty good relations with cuba. You think they're gonna just sit back and watch this shit happen?


Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on February 21, 2008, 11:40:38 am
now that castro is gone an invasion in the bay of pigs would finally work. there's some terrible stuff going on in cuba, they're doing awful things to people in guantanamo
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Lars on February 21, 2008, 06:17:22 pm
hey have you guys read up on how fidel and che took over cuba in the first place?

fidel's so badass he deserved his own country, so all you confederate leftist-bashers can gnaw on your own deformed string of moralist logic for now


what is true though is that the health care in cuba in selected places is amazing, my dad is a doctor and has worked there a few times and he says he's never been to a better hospital than the one he went to in cuba (and yes, he has worked as a doctor in USA and other countries like brazil and most european countries as well). (he mostly stays between one week and one month and lectures the doctors on kidney transplantations)
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Liman on February 21, 2008, 06:32:21 pm
Has anyone seen Castro after he resigned? Bet the guy died... seems weird that he would just resign.

But I dont follow the news really so Im probably wrong.
Title: Fidel Castro resigns
Post by: Shepperd on February 21, 2008, 07:27:38 pm
oh shut up dude.
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