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Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Dark Angel on February 23, 2008, 10:22:53 am
This isn't to bash America, Americans, anyplace, or anyone. This is to be a conversation on what you think is wrong with America, why you think that, how you think it can be fixed, and why you think it hasn't been done yet.

I don't want to write about my subject because, as the topic creator, this is the first post people will see when they come into this thread and I don't want this thread about a particular subject within the larger subject.

But that would be a shitty first post for this topic so I'm going to write it anyway, I'll just hide it.


EDIT-If you were going to interview the President, not George Bush, but the President in general, what serious questions would you ask (about the current state of things)? What response would you want (what response would YOU give)? What would you do if you were President?

And this is not for any work or school related project, so don't feel like I'm asking you to do an assignment for me. Just subject matter I am interested in.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: missingno on February 23, 2008, 10:39:22 am
There's nothing wrong with America.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on February 23, 2008, 10:51:33 am
American teen/ pop culture (especially in regards to education) and the concept of adolescence.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on February 23, 2008, 11:27:34 am
what is the worse countrie in the world? africa
here are some stats:
aids
giraffee
hippo
starving
black people

countires get worser as the poportion of blacks to normal people gets to high you can see this in like other places too, which is why sweden is perhaps the best in the world :thumbsup:
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Death Gulp on February 23, 2008, 12:45:10 pm
I think what's wrong with America, is that there is a lack of maps > >
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: AdderallApocalypse on February 23, 2008, 01:04:33 pm
Hip-Hop culture
Lack of emphasis in education
Laziness
The south
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: something bizarre and impractical on February 23, 2008, 01:08:12 pm
America.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Kaworu on February 23, 2008, 01:28:50 pm
Hip-Hop culture

I totally agree, damn them negros.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Moriason on February 23, 2008, 02:50:56 pm
Canada doesn't have five vacation weeks a year and I don't much consider that a DEFINING problem of the country.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Harland on February 23, 2008, 03:59:35 pm
Gun laws and health insurance.  Other than that there are plenty of things that I don't like (hip-hop culture, fundamentalism) but not what I would consider to be 'wrong'.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Wash Cycle on February 23, 2008, 04:02:17 pm
-The general attitude of anti-intellectualism that so pervades our culture at the moment
-The popular media and hollywood
-The war on drugs
-The current administration
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Ryan on February 23, 2008, 04:04:53 pm
anti-intellectualism among the youth, abhorrent government policies (especially foreign), coupled with a 25 year wave of religious extremism with enormous influence in politics
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: AdderallApocalypse on February 23, 2008, 04:12:35 pm
Maybe if we were a little more intellectual and educated, then we wouldn't be as religous.
 
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: JohnnyCasil on February 23, 2008, 04:26:26 pm
Gross generalizations are awesome!
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Carrion Crow on February 23, 2008, 04:28:48 pm
If you refer to the USA as "America" in an A-level geography paper whoever's marking it takes you as a retard and marks you down. Our teacher told us this, pretty much to the word.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: JJ on February 23, 2008, 04:31:11 pm
Man what's not wrong with America?
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Rone Rivendale on February 23, 2008, 04:33:15 pm
There isn't anything wrong with America that a change in President won't fix.

The main problem is how people in other countries view America. The fact is, the people who migrate here and actually spend a lengthy amount of time here are nothing but thrilled out of their minds to be living in the greatest country in the world. It's the people who don't live here who just see us on their news, or in the newspaper, or in propaganda videos who get this warped view and end up hating us.

The fact is, every country has 90% good people in it. And actually it's probably higher than that. It's only the 10% most radical that define a people. Everyone thinks Muslims are evil because of terrorists but most Muslims are all about peace. And most people think that ALL Americans are fat and lazy and stupid when the fact is exactly the oppiside (cept maybe the fat part, that's a problem recently).

Deep down the other countries know we aren't bad either. Every time they need help, they ask US. And we always help. This is the first age of the world where the most dominant country is the good guy. We don't invade people to take their land. We don't commit genocide. We protect the peace.

Yes, Dubbya Bush has done alot of damage to the credibility of the U.S. but the kewl thing about our country is that every 4 (or 8 if there is a re-election) we get a new leader with a new vision and things that were wrong before can be made right.

So what's wrong with America? Not much. Nothing that can't be fixed come November.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Kaworu on February 23, 2008, 04:35:29 pm
(http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/26992/51EJCD6F65L._AA280_.jpg)
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Shepperd on February 23, 2008, 04:47:43 pm
consumption obsession and gun laws
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Bondo on February 23, 2008, 04:53:14 pm
A corrupt kind of "capitalism" that relies heavily on corporate "gifts" to the government and keeping the rich richer.

A not-so-free market where the money is practically imaginary and the people are oblivious to the seriousness of the ever-mounting debt.

An unwillingness to change, for habitual reasons, to adjust to environmental concerns or other possible future problems.

A shocking ignorance of the general population not because they're stupid, but because they are comfortable simply not knowing.

A government that uses scare-tactics and paranoia to control their people.

A broken election system.

Debt collection agencies such as the Board of Education that wield enough power to keep the people in debt forever.  The kind of power that would make a mobster blush.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: pburn on February 23, 2008, 05:06:33 pm
America fucked up when the white man killed the Native Americans.

America fucked up when they put little Africans on boats.

America fucked up when they made Chinamen build railroads.

America fucked up every time a white racist president was elected.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: 4Dsheep on February 23, 2008, 05:25:16 pm
Deep down the other countries know we aren't bad either.
That or the fact that we know you could start a nuclear war and actually win. You're not bad, just really bloody dangerous.

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Every time they need help, they ask US. And we always help.
Right, so you guys decided to help out in a few world wars. We probably couldn't have done it without your cannon fodder. But could you please just stop milking the whole bloody affair? Some of us here are trying to get on with it without stomping third-world countries into a bloody pulp and then letting the survivors buy our stuff.

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This is the first age of the world where the most dominant country is the good guy. We don't invade people to take their land. We don't commit genocide. We protect the peace.
Cough. I mean, really. Cough. You don't take other people's land (anymore) because it's not profitable. Sure, you don't commit genocide, good one. At least we know you're not run by full-fledged psychopaths. Protect the peace? You protect yourself by starting wars.

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Yes, Dubbya Bush has done alot of damage to the credibility of the U.S. but the kewl thing about our country is that every 4 (or 8 if there is a re-election) we get a new leader with a new vision and things that were wrong before can be made right.
Almost every developed country got that, and your elected the moron twice. Furthermore, all your presidents have pretty much the same vision. Really, all you ever do is pick between fascist nationalistic fundamentalist and lame nationalistic fundamentalist.

You're kind of like a (huge, delirious) bear. Sure, he's all hugable and fuzzy and you could probably get him to dance but then he rips out your guts and fashions a honey jar out of your skull.

Now, I'm not saying the world is a happy peaceful utopia except for the huge, festering wound that is the US, but you're still sort of a kind of big, bleeding scar, you know?
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Kaworu on February 23, 2008, 05:27:46 pm
(http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/26992/lilly%2520cut.jpg)
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 23, 2008, 05:33:07 pm
hahaha 4dsheep's post is so terrible.

Hip-Hop culture

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[Masta Ace]
I wish the president would stop lyin'
Black babies stop cryin'
And young brothers stop dyin'
I wish the police would stop killin'
Politicians a stop stealin' and actin like they not dealin'
When they know they got bricks in the street
At the country club fixin' to eat
I can see em' now
I wish we'd get this shit figured out
And stop goin' the trigger route
And actin' all niggered out
On the block with the nine cocked
I wish we'd try and stop, (what?) stop wishin' for the prime box
I wish she wasn't so obsessed with death
Tell me is it cuz we blessed with less?
I don't know really
I wish the world was safer, I'm scared to travel abroad
That's why, I travel with the Lord
I wish the cabs would stop for me in the rain
I know you wanna call me insane, I'm a dreamer.

[Edo. G]
I wish my pops didn't die when I was seven years old
If there's life after death, is heaven this cold?
I wish I could wipe the tears of all the cryin' mothers
Wish new york niggas didn't start flyin' colors
I wish my people stop avoiding the truth,
BET stop poisoning youth
We need changes for teenagers as they go through phases
More than just a concrete jungle the world got green acres
I wish I'd been more diligent
Smart cats rhyme militant the rest rhyme ignorant
I wish the world didn't give us funny looks
Think we all just dummies and crooks
Athletes and entertainers singin' hooks
We need more black babies, that's in the books
I wish God could take away the pain
I know you wanna call me insane, I'm a dreamer.

[Edo. G]
I wish I didn't get searched when I come through customs
I wish Christians stop beefin' with Muslims
Wish the poor didn't have to take welfare
Wish America had universal healthcare
Cuz there aint' no help here, in a country where we don't fight fair
The American dream becomes a nightmare
It's all hype here, and on this track my soul I might bare
I wish Bush just get outta office
Before he start world war three and try to off us
It won't cost him, but it'll cost us
And right now, believe me you lost us.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Blitzen on February 23, 2008, 05:58:06 pm
A rejection of socialism on a misled moral basis is what's wrong with America. Mind you America has been one of the most libertarian nations on earth unp until WW2, and things for Americans functioned well up until then. America worked best when no one was in chrage, and the government and army was small. It was the hypercapitalism/hyperpatriotism fueled by the Cold War and a Kennet/Reganist world view (every other nation is insane except ours) that has poisoned the American culture in the minds of other nations and its own populace as to thier ignorance of the world and the belief in the saving grace of thier own system when they can't even afford to go to the hospital when they get sick.

I do respect the traditional American system (pre-1940s America) that had a more hands off apporach to the running of the nation, and inspiring rather than indoctrinating certain values in thier populace. Today things are much different. I think its a long way back to a sane and stable America though.

Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Cho on February 23, 2008, 05:59:31 pm
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There isn't anything wrong with America that a change in President won't fix.

This is correct. I remember back before the Gee Dubya administration, there were NO problems in the United States.

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That or the fact that we know you could start a nuclear war and actually win. You're not bad, just really bloody dangerous.

This too is correct. The only reason the rest of the world pays attention to the United States or allies itself with it is because of nukes. Totally. That's why there's been many a country, particularly in the past 8 years, who haven't supported the US or its plans. How did the US retaliate? By making their late night comedians make scathing comments about those countries.

What's wrong with the United States? Most citizens don't care, and the ones that do, complaint but don't act. Saying, "This is a problem, someone should really do something about it!" doesn't accomplish anything.
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Post by: Ryan on February 23, 2008, 06:02:51 pm
I do respect the traditional American system (pre-1940s America) that had a more hands off apporach to the running of the nation, and inspiring rather than indoctrinating certain values in thier populace. Today things are much different. I think its a long way back to a sane and stable America though.

(http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/35798/image002.jpg)

Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: tomohawkjoe on February 23, 2008, 06:07:14 pm
Mexicans
da ho lot a dem
makin burritos (damn good ones) and babies (damn good ones)
makin da USA into da USMexicos
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Feldschlacht IV on February 23, 2008, 06:36:27 pm
What's wrong with America is the pre-teen adolescent people from European nations that think they're 'edgy' or informed by bashing us bashed on broad generalizations, untrue stereotypes, and what they hear from their Internet friends or the media. Of course there's a lot more that America could improve on, but that's a start in our foreign relations issues.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Mince Wobley on February 23, 2008, 06:43:44 pm
Antisemitism
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Post by: GirlBones on February 23, 2008, 07:12:11 pm
the problem with america is that, since it's inception, the concept of freedom has been perverted by a collection of greedy individuals to mean, "i can do whatever i want to you, as long as the law says i can." i certainly made this up, but it's my feeling that every bad thing that has happened in america is the result of some form of corporate-political symbiosis. things like slavery, the iraq war, etc...


EDIT:

and all of these things that you guys are complaining about (youth culture, ignorance) are directly caused by corporations who want you to pay more attention to the discovery channel and "political" or topical hollywood movies, instead of paying attention to their activities.

also, this situation CANNOT be changed by a new administration, and it WILLL NOT be changed by the next administration or the one after that. you guys seem to put a lot of faith in obama, but just because he is a democrat, doesn't mean that he doesn't have corporate interests. (though certainly less than hillary) bill clinton was a democrat too, and he approved nafta, which was one of the most harmful treaties in recent american history.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Ragnar on February 23, 2008, 07:13:34 pm
maybe we just suck

also everyone uses drugs to solve their problems
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Ryan on February 23, 2008, 07:24:24 pm
also, this situation CANNOT be changed by a new administration, and it WILLL NOT be changed by the next administration or the one after that. you guys seem to put a lot of faith in obama, but just because he is a democrat, doesn't mean that he doesn't have corporate interests. (though certainly less than hillary) bill clinton was a democrat too, and he approved nafta, which was one of the most harmful treaties in recent american history.

bill clinton is considerably more moderate than obama. and obama is kind of basing his entire campaign over reform and the exclusion of corporate interests so unless he totally deviates that i think it will be a step in the right direction
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Post by: GirlBones on February 23, 2008, 07:30:54 pm
i know, but i think i had a pessimism sammich for lunch today
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Post by: Frisky SKeleton on February 23, 2008, 08:30:41 pm
america is getting dumber because religion is becomming more and more popular because of the internet mostly (internet is mostly christian)
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Mama Luigi on February 23, 2008, 09:01:55 pm
america is getting dumber because religion is becomming more and more popular because of the internet mostly (internet is mostly christian)
Holy shit you're right! (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=atheist&word2=christian)
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: dada on February 23, 2008, 11:15:54 pm
america is getting dumber because religion is becomming more and more popular because of the internet mostly (internet is mostly christian)
Source?

I've always viewed the internet as a very strongly leftist demographic. That's the idea I've always had, no matter which community I went to (and I've been active in them since somewhere in 1997). The majority of the (somewhat serious and active) internet users may be christian (but I refuse to believe this so easily), but at least the majority should also be open-minded about it.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: headphonics on February 23, 2008, 11:27:02 pm
Source?

I've always viewed the internet as a very strongly leftist demographic. That's the idea I've always had, no matter which community I went to (and I've been active in them since somewhere in 1997). The majority of the (somewhat serious and active) internet users may be christian (but I refuse to believe this so easily), but at least the majority should also be open-minded about it.
i don't


i don't think he's serious

also this topic is terrible.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: dada on February 23, 2008, 11:33:16 pm
i don't


i don't think he's serious
You're right, I'm not good with conputer

Also I didn't read a single preceding sentence in this topic.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: BlizzardVeers on February 23, 2008, 11:47:03 pm
Ignoring everything everyone else said before I post.
Popular Television Media.
Culture of Guns.
The 16th Ammendment to the US Constitution.
The 17th Ammendment to the US Constitution.
Guilt.
Emphasis on Religion over Education.
The Education System.
The Stock Market (I hate how it functions.)
Over Sensitivty about things that are truthful. (Let's bury our heads in the sand and stick our asses up in the air at it!)
The willingness to go to War.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: BlizzardVeers on February 23, 2008, 11:48:48 pm
Maybe if we were a little more intellectual and educated, then we wouldn't be as religous.
Or you'd be Deists.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Marcus on February 24, 2008, 12:58:58 am
Unfair representation.

Our system of government classifies Americans as either one of two things:

1: A liberal

or

2: A conservative

There's absolutely no fucking inbetween.  You cannot be religious yet be pro-life.  You cannot accept homosexual marriages yet demand a quota on immigrants.  Everything we do and the people that represent us must be either on the left or right, never the middle.  We cannot vote on a single bill, it has to be compounded with several other bills and voted at once.  The president has little power to change any one thing because there's 50 people who are split down the fucking middle about it.  We're the most diverse country in the world but we're so fucking confused about our heritage that we choose to ignore it.  Those that do embrace their heritage, embrace the extremist side of it and completely forget that EVERYONE except the Natives moved here on a boat.  There's too many politicians that represent America and not enough politicians that represent the people.

How do we fix this?  Completely change our system of government... but that won't happen anytime soon.  Personally, I favor socialism but every politician in America is bat shit afraid that any talks of foreign government will completely and utterly topple the very foundation this country has built up for itself. 

God forbid a poor underdeveloped communist country should continue to exist.  They may one day destroy a leading superpower!

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Maybe if we were a little more intellectual and educated, then we wouldn't be as religous.

Maybe if you were a little more intellectual and educated you'd realise that people are religious because they fucking choose to be not because there's no other options.  You don't wake up and say "HOLY SHIT I WANT TO BE A THEIST" it's something that happens naturally.  You can bring up the "well, i was raised so and so" argument but people like that aren't really religious they're just following what their parents are saying.  People who grew up in a faith based family that became atheist are no different than people raised in an atheist family that became theist.  It's a personal thing and I never understood why dumb fucks who consider themselves "educated" never got that.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: something bizarre and impractical on February 24, 2008, 01:15:23 am
I think that (apart from obvious shit like health care, gun laws, the broken two party system, etc.) one of the biggest things wrong with the US is that it's the only country in the world that constantly tells itself that it's the greatest country in the world and with the greatest people in the world. So many politicians do this (even the good ones) and it has always kind of bugged me in a way. Maybe some Americans should stop telling themselves that they're so great and start acting like it (not blowing up brown people is a start).

actuallly canbada has a free healthcare system anbd we can all get free health here lol. But yeah the guns aren't so bad because I'e never been shot or something. I hear TO(toronto) has some crime though??

Maybe america should just get rid of the terrorists and actually do what tyhey say!

Not sure though. Our drug laws arep pretty lax... What do you think??
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Von Woofen on February 24, 2008, 03:21:57 am
A rejection of socialism on a misled moral basis is what's wrong with America. Mind you America has been one of the most libertarian nations on earth unp until WW2, and things for Americans functioned well up until then. America worked best when no one was in chrage, and the government and army was small. It was the hypercapitalism/hyperpatriotism fueled by the Cold War and a Kennet/Reganist world view (every other nation is insane except ours) that has poisoned the American culture in the minds of other nations and its own populace as to thier ignorance of the world and the belief in the saving grace of thier own system when they can't even afford to go to the hospital when they get sick.

I do respect the traditional American system (pre-1940s America) that had a more hands off apporach to the running of the nation, and inspiring rather than indoctrinating certain values in thier populace. Today things are much different. I think its a long way back to a sane and stable America though.



This, and I think the answer is take a lot of power away from the president. No one cared when we gave it to FDR because we were fucked anyway and he was a good guy, but then instead of giving power back to congress we just keep giving power to the president. I think we need more people arguing so when someone comes up with a stupid ridiculous idea some one will actually be standing in the way.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Rone Rivendale on February 24, 2008, 03:23:19 am
The thing about the 2 party system is, it doesn't HAVE to be 2 party. We the people have the power to vote for anybody we want. And there are a dozen major canidates every 4 years. There is the socialists, the libertarians(sp?), the green party, the reform party, I'm sure I'm missing some. The problem isn't the 2 party system. The problem we VOTE for only Rep. or Dem.

We have the power to change how things work, we just don't. The closest anyone has come in the last few decades was Ross Perot in '92 when he got 10 percent of the pop vote.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Von Woofen on February 24, 2008, 03:25:01 am
The thing about the 2 party system is, it doesn't HAVE to be 2 party. We the people have the power to vote for anybody we want. And there are a dozen major canidates every 4 years. There is the socialists, the libertarians(sp?), the green party, the reform party, I'm sure I'm missing some. The problem isn't the 2 party system. The problem we VOTE for only Rep. or Dem.

We have the power to change how things work, we just don't. The closest anyone has come in the last few decades was Ross Perot in '92 when he got 10 percent of the pop vote.

wrong. it doesnt have to be two party because if it was three party the most amount of people that could be happy is 34%, which leaves alot of people pissed off. also, most of the goals of third parties are just to have the bigger parties take up the flag for their cause.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Marcus on February 24, 2008, 03:37:52 am
wrong. it doesnt have to be two party because if it was three party the most amount of people that could be happy is 34%, which leaves alot of people pissed off. also, most of the goals of third parties are just to have the bigger parties take up the flag for their cause.

And yet you still have 50% of the people pissed off which leads back to my argument that the entire country is split down the middle.  Why is it that we have parties in the first place?  Is it not enough to vote for somebody because *gasp* they have good ideas?  I vote conservative because I'm in the military and democrats INSTANTLY shaft the military because this is how shit works.  Despite voting conservative, I'm pro-choice... but I'm also against gun control.  WHERE THE FUCK DOES THIS PUT ME??  A conservative who's pro-choice or a liberal who's against gun control is instantly ignored by the public because it goes against the stereotype we hold about the different parties.  The whole point of a government is to provide to the people the means to provide for themselves (IMO) but instead this government only provides the means to half the people and shafts the other half.

Shit doesn't add up.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 24, 2008, 03:44:04 am
hahahahahaha, MARCUS IS A BLACK REPUBLICAN.

you should be ashamed of yourself.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Von Woofen on February 24, 2008, 03:46:12 am
oops, i meant to say we DO have to have two parties, but i think you got what i was saying. my history teacher explained to us the other day why candidates have become so extreme but i can't for the life of me remember.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Dark Angel on February 24, 2008, 03:49:36 am
Directed to everyone:

If you were going to interview the President, not George Bush, but the President in general, what serious questions would you ask (about the current state of things)? What response would you want (what response would YOU give)? What would you do if you were President?

And this is not for any work or school related project, so don't feel like I'm asking you to do an assignment for me. Just subject matter I am interested in.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Erave on February 24, 2008, 03:54:21 am
And yet you still have 50% of the people pissed off which leads back to my argument that the entire country is split down the middle.  Why is it that we have parties in the first place?  Is it not enough to vote for somebody because *gasp* they have good ideas?  I vote conservative because I'm in the military and democrats INSTANTLY shaft the military because this is how shit works.  Despite voting conservative, I'm pro-choice... but I'm also against gun control.  WHERE THE FUCK DOES THIS PUT ME??  A conservative who's pro-choice or a liberal who's against gun control is instantly ignored by the public because it goes against the stereotype we hold about the different parties.  The whole point of a government is to provide to the people the means to provide for themselves (IMO) but instead this government only provides the means to half the people and shafts the other half.

Shit doesn't add up.

Yea the party idealogues have a laundry list of issues they have to subscribe to. For instance, why do Right Wing associators necesasrily have to be pro-war. It's all absurd.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: AdderallApocalypse on February 24, 2008, 03:55:10 am
Maybe if you were a little more intellectual and educated you'd realise that people are religious because they fucking choose to be not because there's no other options.  You don't wake up and say "HOLY SHIT I WANT TO BE A THEIST" it's something that happens naturally.  You can bring up the "well, i was raised so and so" argument but people like that aren't really religious they're just following what their parents are saying.  People who grew up in a faith based family that became atheist are no different than people raised in an atheist family that became theist.  It's a personal thing and I never understood why dumb fucks who consider themselves "educated" never got that.
It seems that those that are more intellectual and/or devoted to science tend to be less religous than otherwise speaking. Of course, this certainly isn't always the case. I guess that I'll stop now before I get flamed any more.  â€‹
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Marcus on February 24, 2008, 04:28:38 am
hahahahahaha, MARCUS IS A BLACK REPUBLICAN.

you should be ashamed of yourself.

I like my money.  The last thing I want is someone coming into office and screwing me out of my pay but that also means I have to vote for some backwater fucktards.  You see how dumb this is???

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It seems that those that are more intellectual and/or devoted to science tend to be less religous than otherwise speaking. Of course, this certainly isn't always the case. I guess that I'll stop now before I get flamed any more.

What I meant by that is someone who is devoted to theism doesn't automatically disqualify themselves from going to college or learning a trade.  I'm a protestant but I know my
TV isn't powered by JESUS RAYS.

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If you were going to interview the President, not George Bush, but the President in general, what serious questions would you ask (about the current state of things)? What response would you want (what response would YOU give)? What would you do if you were President?

And this is not for any work or school related project, so don't feel like I'm asking you to do an assignment for me. Just subject matter I am interested in.

I don't even know how to answer this because every issue has a robotic response that includes four syllable words and circle logic.  I guess my biggest question is "Do you represent the people or do you represent yourself pretending to represent the people?"

The President represents America as a whole.  I can't go to a foreign country without hearing "americans are gun toting rednecks" and when I look at our president there's little reason to wonder why.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Dark Angel on February 24, 2008, 05:33:33 am
Let me be a little bit clearer. You are interviewing the President but you ARE the President. That should help broaden the amount of usuable syllables. I know when Presidents go on the rare interviews (Man, I don't even remember ever seeing one, has it ever happened during a presidency?) they get a pretty well rehearsed interview, but this is more of a what-would-you-do-topic than a what-should-be-done-topic.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 24, 2008, 06:04:40 am
I like my money.  The last thing I want is someone coming into office and screwing me out of my pay but that also means I have to vote for some backwater fucktards.  You see how dumb this is???

well what I'm confused about is why you think military pay would be cut down.

the majority of defense spending is for corporate entities to make faster jets we don't need etc, I'd think it would be political suicide to be the president who GOT RID OF soldier's benefirts.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Marcus on February 24, 2008, 06:35:58 am
well what I'm confused about is why you think military pay would be cut down.

the majority of defense spending is for corporate entities to make faster jets we don't need etc, I'd think it would be political suicide to be the president who GOT RID OF soldier's benefirts.

The base allowance is raised each year but it's been statistically proven that the allowance is doubled when a republican is in office when compared to a democrat.  Ironically, every branch except the Army has seen record cuts since Bush came into office and the qualifications to get into the Navy and Airforce have been raised while getting into the Army has been lowered AND the pay bonus for joining the Army has been raised.  For example, in order to join the army you used to need 21% body fat or less to make standards but since Bush has been in office it was raised to 23% for males.  This can be anywhere from 20-50 extra pounds depending on your height and muscle mass.  The score you need on your ASVAB (SAT for military folks) has also been lowered to join the Army.

I'm actually voting Obama this campaign but republicans generally help the military out far more than democrats.  Bush has actually been a bane on my enlistment and I ain't reenlisting even if Obama gives me a pension after 10 years.

...wait, scratch that.  I'd gladly reenlist if I could retire after 10 years.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Xeno|Soft on February 24, 2008, 07:02:32 am
Unfair representation.

Our system of government classifies Americans as either one of two things:

1: A liberal

or

2: A conservative

There's absolutely no fucking inbetween.  You cannot be religious yet be pro-life.  You cannot accept homosexual marriages yet demand a quota on immigrants.  Everything we do and the people that represent us must be either on the left or right, never the middle.  We cannot vote on a single bill, it has to be compounded with several other bills and voted at once.  The president has little power to change any one thing because there's 50 people who are split down the fucking middle about it.  We're the most diverse country in the world but we're so fucking confused about our heritage that we choose to ignore it.  Those that do embrace their heritage, embrace the extremist side of it and completely forget that EVERYONE except the Natives moved here on a boat.  There's too many politicians that represent America and not enough politicians that represent the people.

How do we fix this?  Completely change our system of government... but that won't happen anytime soon.  Personally, I favor socialism but every politician in America is bat shit afraid that any talks of foreign government will completely and utterly topple the very foundation this country has built up for itself. 

God forbid a poor underdeveloped communist country should continue to exist.  They may one day destroy a leading superpower!

Maybe if you were a little more intellectual and educated you'd realise that people are religious because they fucking choose to be not because there's no other options.  You don't wake up and say "HOLY SHIT I WANT TO BE A THEIST" it's something that happens naturally.  You can bring up the "well, i was raised so and so" argument but people like that aren't really religious they're just following what their parents are saying.  People who grew up in a faith based family that became atheist are no different than people raised in an atheist family that became theist.  It's a personal thing and I never understood why dumb fucks who consider themselves "educated" never got that.



1st part is the fucking truth, politicians are so tied down to "the side they play for" that nothing gets done at all! For example the way some republicans support bush in everysense, even his fuckups. They feel they have to be...because well "he's on my team!"  George Washington was right on the money when he said "don't split into parties." to bad no one cared to take his advice. It's a system of "favors" no one wants to debate with eachother  at all. And I'm not talking about that stupid bullshit debate we do where we take a stance and never change till death do us part.

A debate was meant to exchange ideas in order to enlighten eachother, but everyone is so bent on "not being wrong" that they will go down in their sinking ships. (Iraq).

Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on February 24, 2008, 10:26:16 am
america needs a king.

the commonwealth has a queen and it's pretty cool
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Fuck Ass Bitch on February 24, 2008, 02:11:15 pm
The language. Look at the words, "Bedroom", "bathroom", that's just plain stupid. It looks like a language made by a baby, "Mother take me to the bed room!". Can't they make up a real word for things, because that's what people do in other countries. And I'm sure there are a lot of other examples in this language but nothing comes to my mind right now.

PS I'm not trying to be hilarious
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: 4Dsheep on February 24, 2008, 03:02:56 pm
I think that (apart from obvious shit like health care, gun laws, the broken two party system, etc.) one of the biggest things wrong with the US is that it's the only country in the world that constantly tells itself that it's the greatest country in the world and with the greatest people in the world. So many politicians do this (even the good ones) and it has always kind of bugged me in a way. Maybe some Americans should stop telling themselves that they're so great and start acting like it (not blowing up brown people is a start).
Hey wasn't this how N- whoops Godwin's Law never mind. But yeah, if the majority of people in any given democratic were actually trying to be nice, humanity as a whole would be a lot better off.

Seriously now, the problem with the USA is that 1) it's too homogeneous and 2) it tends to think in black and white a lot. Globally, republicans and democrats are pretty much one and the same. When you call liberals left-wing everyone else thinks you're crazy because weren't liberals those guys that liked capitalism and opposed socialists? Basically, you're stuck at one end of the scale and everything else is reduced to the Red Scare.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Hundley on February 24, 2008, 03:05:45 pm
the problem with america is that its critical faults are so deep-seeded and hidden from view that nobody really knows what the essential problem or two really is. it's definitely not as simple as DEMOCRACY DOESN'T WORK or CAPITALISM IS BAD. if it WAS, you would be hearing sane, intelligent people saying I HAVE THE SOLUTION TO OUR PROBLEM. i mean, you can find a solution to A PROBLEM OR TWO. you cannot find a solution to A COMPLETE CATASTROPHE.

really the most sane suggestion i ever heard for potentially fixing our problems was when gw's ex-darling dick-poster extraordinaire shaved rabbit once casually mentioned on his old livejournal that we should all vote for ron paul because under him america will experience the best chance of collapsing entirely. i've started seriously wondering if the only chance america has would be if it totally fell on its fucking face and had to start over.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 24, 2008, 05:20:28 pm
I always felt bad by Shaved's suggestion (I think there was a big liverjournal fight over it) because honestly putting Ron Paul in place would probably not cause the collapse of society.

I mean President Bush is at a whopping 19% approval rating. 19%! when he leaves office, he will have set America's social, foreign, and economic policy back quite a few years. and yet there's no REVOlution (ron...ron paul).

if Paul was elected and did everything he intended, I am sure there would be a huge loss of life but more importantly that no one would care. they would just be like I TOTALLY DISAPPROVE and elect someone better in four years, not jump towards socialism.

also yes there is no one problem in America w00t.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: GirlBones on February 24, 2008, 06:40:56 pm
whenever somebody is talking about ron paul, i always say something along the lines of "he should be elected because the only way america will get better is if the fall comes, and he's just the man for the job."


sereiously though, rich people aren't going to give up their greed until after the fall, so why should we wait any longer?
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: bonzi_buddy on February 24, 2008, 06:41:25 pm
I was going to not to post anything on this since this topic had a pretty pathetic premise but since you guys deciced to take over....

Really, right now it's kind of an carrousel and bad imago on media past few years to say anything about the whole... thing, not to mention i don't know a frack about your troubles so who am i to say anything about it?
I'd rather wait through the primaries and see whether Americas actions past few years raise any discussion, you know, in official channels. I would think the coming goverment has to fix and to respond to a lot of shit.

^ man so much empty words. basically i'm saying that i'm not following that UGH AMERICA THOSE WAR MANIACS *plaus american woman like x100000 super loud (love revolution *kises lenny kravits photo)) but i know nothing to really have an opinion about it.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Rast on February 24, 2008, 07:42:07 pm
Unfair representation.

Our system of government classifies Americans as either one of two things:

1: A liberal

or

2: A conservative

There's absolutely no fucking inbetween. 

The media plays up the whole conservative vs liberals thing, but when the chips are down it's the moderate independents who decide every close race.  It sucks though since there's neither party specifically appeals to moderates.

Like me, personally, I'm against (most) gun control, would prefer small government and low taxes, oppose undebated earmarks, and think the government should try to regulate things to the least extent possible.  But I'm also pro-choice, pro-stem-cell research, think there should be some limits on corporate power, support gay marriage, support a balanced-budged amendment, and think the government should provide federal programs for services that are too important to expect people to pay out of pocket for (in other words, nationalized health care).  So obviously neither party is going to completely appeal to me.

Unfortunately I don't see this problem going away as long as we have a winner-take-all system that doesn't leave room for small parties.  The only way it'll change is with a constitutional amendment that does away with winner-take-all and instead implements proportional representation (which is what most other countries have).  I don't see it ever actually happening though.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Mongoloid on February 24, 2008, 09:13:54 pm
problem: separation of church of state
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: AdderallApocalypse on February 24, 2008, 10:35:52 pm
Haha, no. I think things are better off more secular.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: bort on February 24, 2008, 11:19:49 pm
antihuman culture is what
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Rone Rivendale on February 25, 2008, 12:26:09 am
wrong. it doesnt have to be two party because if it was three party the most amount of people that could be happy is 34%, which leaves alot of people pissed off. also, most of the goals of third parties are just to have the bigger parties take up the flag for their cause.

That's bullshit. There have been presidents in the past from the Federalist party, the Whig Party, The Torrie Party, it's a 2 party system now because people will only RECENTLY pick Republican or Democrat. This is a trend that's only been within the last 50 years or so.

We CAN pick someone else, we just don't.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Von Woofen on February 25, 2008, 12:51:07 am
That's bullshit. There have been presidents in the past from the Federalist party, the Whig Party, The Torrie Party, it's a 2 party system now because people will only RECENTLY pick Republican or Democrat. This is a trend that's only been within the last 50 years or so.

We CAN pick someone else, we just don't.

yeah, but back then it didnt matter who you elected because presidents did nothing. up until FDR the presidency didn't really have any power and there were maybe a handful presidents (Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt along with the other trust busters and Woodrow Wilson) that ever actually did anything. Not to mention that the parties you mentioned probably don't even exist, so I hardly see the relevancy.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Wash Cycle on February 25, 2008, 01:10:50 am
yeah, but back then it didnt matter who you elected because presidents did nothing. up until FDR the presidency didn't really have any power and there were maybe a handful presidents (Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt along with the other trust busters and Woodrow Wilson) that ever actually did anything. Not to mention that the parties you mentioned probably don't even exist, so I hardly see the relevancy.
man who taught you american history

you have clearly demonstrated you do not know/understand how american politics worked in the 18th and 19th century, so dont try to pass off his argument as being irrelevant.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Evangel on February 25, 2008, 01:21:23 am
One of my main issues is America's obsession with money.  This probably isn't limited to America, either.  Everything I see is tied to money in some way.  When I read about the latest hit movie, I don't hear about its artistic merits, but rather $45 MILLION DOLLAR OPENING WEEKEND.  Even our political race is focused on who can grub up the most cash for their campaign.  When I watch TV, it's obvious that the TV station is maximizing their ads (it's sad when the programming to ad ratio is about 1:1)...for more money.  Rap stars, basically our youth's role models, praise money and power while denouncing any sense of morals.  Our politicians have even begun to sell their vote to the highest bidder.  Basically corporations run our lives.  They have more power (legally and financially) than the common man. 

Anything that doesn't have money-making power is hardly noteworthy anymore.  I understand that the capitalist system is what keeps our economy in shape (though it's pretty much receded at the moment), but the system has turned into such an obsession that it's ridiculous.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Camlon on February 25, 2008, 02:27:01 am
There isn't anything wrong with America that a change in President won't fix.

The main problem is how people in other countries view America. The fact is, the people who migrate here and actually spend a lengthy amount of time here are nothing but thrilled out of their minds to be living in the greatest country in the world. It's the people who don't live here who just see us on their news, or in the newspaper, or in propaganda videos who get this warped view and end up hating us.
I have lived in the U.S. for a lengthy amount of time and I certainly don't think that the U.S. is the best country in the world and I believe there are many things that can be fixed. For instance the school system where about no-one goes to college and responsibility for own learning is unheard of. Even college students need to be assigned homework before they even bother to do work.

Also if you are poor in the U.S. you will end up in horrible schools, the colleges will weight down your GPA, because you went to a bad school and your school didn't offer any AP courses. Even if you get to a good college you will meet tons of problems, you have to take up more than a million dollar in loan because the college prices are extremely high. The previous high school has  probably skipped a lot of the syllabus or you don't need to understand the material to achieve a high grade and then you will fail and have to leave the college.

However, if you are rich in the U.S. then everything is impeccable. You can attend the best elementary and high schools in the U.S., even the public schools are very good and that's because they receive a lot more funding than public schools in poor areas. If you are poor it is very hard to achieve something and most poor people don't have the willpower. Therefore the U.S. has very many poor people and a lot of criminality and stupid people who base their morals on religious values.

Also, in spite of these problems, the U.S. doesn't even have the highest GDP in the world. In the recent years the U.S. has been beaten by many countries because of stupid actions from the Congress and the President.

I'm not saying that the U.S. is bad in every single aspect. There are many good things about the U.S., but it's certainly not perfect.

That's bullshit. There have been presidents in the past from the Federalist party, the Whig Party, The Torrie Party, it's a 2 party system now because people will only RECENTLY pick Republican or Democrat. This is a trend that's only been within the last 50 years or so.

We CAN pick someone else, we just don't.
Your an American and you don't even know your own system. In the U.S it's worthless to vote for another candidate and that has been proven severall times in the past. If you are going to get any votes you need to get above 50%/majority in a state and if you don't then you will not get a single vote from that state. I will give you an example.

Let's say in an election there are three parties. Party 1,2, and 3. If in the previous election party 1 got 60% and party 3 got 40% then party 1 won easily. However, if in the next election party 1 divides itself and becomes party 1 and 2 and get together 60% of the votes while party 1 still got 40%. In countries apart from the U.S Party 1 and 2 will win if they go together as a coalition, but not in the U.S. Since you have to win the state and if we presume that they divide themself equally, then party 1 will get 30%, Party 2 will get 30% and party 4 will get 40% and party 4 gets all of the votes even though they only had 40% of the votes the party will probably get 75% of the votes from the electoral college. Therefore it's impossible to come in as a third party and voting for a third party is similar to voting for the party you support the least.

Up during the past no third party has ever won an election and that should ring a bell.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Von Woofen on February 25, 2008, 03:06:03 am
man who taught you american history

you have clearly demonstrated you do not know/understand how american politics worked in the 18th and 19th century, so dont try to pass off his argument as being irrelevant.

Mr. Kernaghan, but yeah maybe he was just wrong. I am open to admitting I'm wrong, but either way, you can't say that politics now is what it was then so saying "we elected third party canidates over 100 years ago under completely different circumstances" isn't really proof that a third party candidate could realistically be elected now.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: GirlBones on February 25, 2008, 07:42:48 am
man who taught you american history

you have clearly demonstrated you do not know/understand how american politics worked in the 18th and 19th century, so dont try to pass off his argument as being irrelevant.

haha how can you defend this post: (???)

That's bullshit. There have been presidents in the past from the Federalist party, the Whig Party, The Torrie Party, it's a 2 party system now because people will only RECENTLY pick Republican or Democrat. This is a trend that's only been within the last 50 years or so.

We CAN pick someone else, we just don't.

after he says there has only been a two party system for half a century~
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Camlon on February 25, 2008, 03:46:00 pm
haha how can you defend this post: (???)

after he says there has only been a two party system for half a century~
There has been a two party/one party system since George Washington. Not a single time has a third party won an election, the only times when it switch is for instance if a party divides itself. One of the parties will die and there are two parties left. The reason is because it's impossible to have three sucessful parties in the U.S.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Rone Rivendale on February 25, 2008, 04:58:05 pm
Mr. Kernaghan, but yeah maybe he was just wrong. I am open to admitting I'm wrong, but either way, you can't say that politics now is what it was then so saying "we elected third party canidates over 100 years ago under completely different circumstances" isn't really proof that a third party candidate could realistically be elected now.

Calling the Federalist, Whig, Torrie, etc parties "Third parties" just shows your ignorance. They weren't third parties back then. It was NOT a Republican and Democrat dominant system back then. Republican/Democrat dominant politics is RECENT. You REALLY need to educate yourself before you go ranting on a forum.

The reason that NOW it is just Republican and Democrat getting votes is because we only vote for those two. If we voted as a country for let's say the Green party and Nader then the Green party would be one of the dominant parties in the future. It's not set in stone people! It changes over time. The Democratic Party didn't even exist in the beginnings of our political system. And before anyone says it, no I'm not voting for Nader. It was an example.

What's wrong with America? The 10% that are idiots seem to shout louder than the 90% of intelligent people can combined. Just look at this thread.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Rast on February 25, 2008, 05:31:11 pm
Calling the Federalist, Whig, Torrie, etc parties "Third parties" just shows your ignorance. They weren't third parties back then. It was NOT a Republican and Democrat dominant system back then. Republican/Democrat dominant politics is RECENT. You REALLY need to educate yourself before you go ranting on a forum.

It's always been two-party.  The parties changed around a lot during the first eighty years or so but since the Civil War it's been the Dems vs Republicans.  Their platforms have changed a lot (19th century Democrats were strongly against any kind of civil rights for blacks after the Civil War) but the parties are the same.

The reason for it is our winner-take-all system strongly discourages third parties from forming.  Every time a strong third-party-type candidate has emerged they've lost and sucked votes much more strongly from one party than another.  It cost Taft the election in 1912 (When Roosevelt ran as a Progressive) and Al Gore in 2000 (when Nadar managed to give a razor-thin majority to Bush by taking votes from Gore) and we all know how that turned out.

So basically what happens in a winner take all system is you end up with two strong parties and a lot of weak ones.  People don't want to vote for a 3rd party because they know they're pulling a vote from a much more viable - if less attractive - candidate who actually has a chance of winning.  There's no prize for 2nd place.

As for being the best country in the world - no it's not, nobody's perfect, but I've been to a lot of shithole 3rd world countries in my time in the military and even white trash in the trailer park have a better standard of living than poor people elsewhere.  We have a good thing going here but we're throwing away the great country our grandfathers built in the 40s-60s.  People are finally starting to realize this though, I'm hopeful that things will improve once Bush is gone but it'll take time and real effort.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Ragnar on February 25, 2008, 09:46:50 pm
A no-party system would be awesome

"Hi I'm Bob Johnson. I'm a person and I have some opinions on stuff"

Edit: Seriously I do hate how the candidates have to have an opinion on everything (like ok things like for/against the war are important but I wouldn't judge anyone in any other situation whether they think you should put your pants on left leg or right leg first)

Well this post sounds retarded so far I kind of wish we didn't know what a candidate /thought/ about X at all, so we could concentrate on things they did (like this guy snorted coke and executed like 512 people he sounds like an asshole)
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Von Woofen on February 25, 2008, 10:31:58 pm
Calling the Federalist, Whig, Torrie, etc parties "Third parties" just shows your ignorance. They weren't third parties back then. It was NOT a Republican and Democrat dominant system back then. Republican/Democrat dominant politics is RECENT. You REALLY need to educate yourself before you go ranting on a forum.

The reason that NOW it is just Republican and Democrat getting votes is because we only vote for those two. If we voted as a country for let's say the Green party and Nader then the Green party would be one of the dominant parties in the future. It's not set in stone people! It changes over time. The Democratic Party didn't even exist in the beginnings of our political system. And before anyone says it, no I'm not voting for Nader. It was an example.

What's wrong with America? The 10% that are idiots seem to shout louder than the 90% of intelligent people can combined. Just look at this thread.

This doesn't help your argument at all. Ignoring the fact that all those parties where just early versions of democrats/republicans that just had different issues to be mad about, you are still admitting that forever and ever no one outside the two main parties will ever get elected, regardless of what they are named. I'm not ranting either, I'm am pretty open about admiting I am wrong.

The green party could never win an election. They only have a stance on one or two issues. A candidate from a third party could never run the country and thats why they'll never win. They're whole intent is to get the bigger parties to care. Yeah, legally they could, but what is legal and what is realistic is completely different. No one is going to vote for candidates that don't even take a stance on shit like economy or foreign affairs.

So yeah I admit my ignorance there, but your whole logic is flawed.

Edit: Republicans usually agree with a lot of republican ideas, and democrats generally agree with democrats on things, so I don't some sort of third party that runs on the basis of conservative/liberal mix of ideas couldnt really win, because people would just vote for an existing party out of habit or actual logic, plus their are an infinite combination of stances from the two parties, so I'm not sure what third party you have in mind that could actually win an election ever.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Parker on February 25, 2008, 11:09:36 pm
I think what's wrong with America, is that there is a lack of maps > >
lol
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Rone Rivendale on February 26, 2008, 02:42:56 am
CNN is notorious for reporting on non-news items, like one time a few years ago when they reported that Marlon Brando had, before his death, recorded dialogue for an animated movie that nobody has heard about since (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bug_Man).  They were all "OMG, deceased famous actor playing the role of a woman!"  WHO CARES?!  It's not news, they only ran it because he had just died and the whole thing was slightly to the left of conservative.
They do this all the time and nobody even remembers these things

Well in CNN's defense they have to fill in 24 hours worth of programming every day. And when your channel is nothing but news, you gotta report everything lol.

And back on the sub-topic of 3rd parites. Yeah I actually COULD see the Green Party eventually becoming a major player. People are just now realizing the importance of the enviroment and how screwed up we are making it. And people like Dubbya Bush have gone a long way in helping to destroy it all so who better to take us into the Green Age than the Green Party? :P

As far as I know though (cuz of the lack of info about other candidates) I'm not even sure there IS a Green Party rep. Is it Nader again?

On a side note, how easy would it be to start up a chain letter thru email for someone wanting to be president. It would travel all over the country many times over and I'm sure alot of dumb people would vote for him/her just for shits and giggles.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Camlon on February 26, 2008, 07:28:33 am
Well in CNN's defense they have to fill in 24 hours worth of programming every day. And when your channel is nothing but news, you gotta report everything lol.

And back on the sub-topic of 3rd parites. Yeah I actually COULD see the Green Party eventually becoming a major player. People are just now realizing the importance of the enviroment and how screwed up we are making it. And people like Dubbya Bush have gone a long way in helping to destroy it all so who better to take us into the Green Age than the Green Party? :P

As far as I know though (cuz of the lack of info about other candidates) I'm not even sure there IS a Green Party rep. Is it Nader again?

On a side note, how easy would it be to start up a chain letter thru email for someone wanting to be president. It would travel all over the country many times over and I'm sure alot of dumb people would vote for him/her just for shits and giggles.
I explicit explained to you that a third party could never win an American election. It doesn't matter how popular it becomes, it will never win an election because the American system is designed to keep third parties out. If you are ignorant about the American system, then at least listen to people who knows. A vote for a third party is a wasted vote and it will make the party you support the least win. Would you vote for a party that would make the party you support the least win? Also when enviroment becomes popular, then the Democrats will support action, actually they do allready.

If they changed the system and the representatives is distrubuted after how many votes you get, instead of how many states you get majority in, then the U.S. would have severall third parties.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Ratt on February 26, 2008, 09:35:01 am
No one goes for a walk for the hell of it anymore.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Rone Rivendale on February 26, 2008, 11:53:46 pm
I explicit explained to you that a third party could never win an American election. It doesn't matter how popular it becomes, it will never win an election because the American system is designed to keep third parties out. If you are ignorant about the American system, then at least listen to people who knows. A vote for a third party is a wasted vote and it will make the party you support the least win. Would you vote for a party that would make the party you support the least win? Also when enviroment becomes popular, then the Democrats will support action, actually they do allready.

If they changed the system and the representatives is distrubuted after how many votes you get, instead of how many states you get majority in, then the U.S. would have severall third parties.

So bascially you are saying that you vote for the big 2 only because everyone else does it. So you would jump off a bridge if everyone else did that too I guess. I'm sorry if I actually believe we should vote the best candidate and not just who we are SUPPOSED to vote for. That's why third parties don't get votes. It's not because they aren't better, it's because people like you are apathetic and lazy and don't give a shit if things stay the same year after year after year. If people thought like you in the past, we'd still have slavery and women wouldn't be able to vote. Changes occur when people are brave and determined enough to take ACTION.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Ragnar on February 27, 2008, 12:53:11 am
No one goes for a walk for the hell of it anymore.

I do
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Camlon on February 27, 2008, 12:55:14 am
So bascially you are saying that you vote for the big 2 only because everyone else does it. So you would jump off a bridge if everyone else did that too I guess. I'm sorry if I actually believe we should vote the best candidate and not just who we are SUPPOSED to vote for. That's why third parties don't get votes. It's not because they aren't better, it's because people like you are apathetic and lazy and don't give a shit if things stay the same year after year after year. If people thought like you in the past, we'd still have slavery and women wouldn't be able to vote. Changes occur when people are brave and determined enough to take ACTION.
I don't think you followed my reasoning. I said you should vote for the big 2, because if many thought like you, you would make the party you support the least win. The reason isn't because of the bandwagon, but because the American system is old and not working probably and Americans refuse to fix it.  

If you want to change something, why don't you go forward and discuss against winner take all system? People thought like me in the past and therefore we have only had two parties since the civil war. The reason why both slavery got abolished and women got voting rights was because enough people started supporting it and then one of the big ones took it up and fought for it, not because of third parties. However, voting for third parties is a good way to promote single issues. If you are a socialist you better vote for the democrats, since voting for the socialist will only help the republicans. Third parties can only be used to promote single issues, therefore a third party will never be big.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Farren on February 27, 2008, 11:44:18 am
That question in itself, we should really be asking what is wrong with the WORLD.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 27, 2008, 01:41:13 pm
anyone who voted for nader in 2000 in florida should be shot.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 27, 2008, 01:41:59 pm
hmmm one of the closest elections in american history between a fucking dinosaur conservative and someone who knows global warming is real you know what this calls for??

protest vote!
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Mama Luigi on February 27, 2008, 02:11:31 pm
No one goes for a walk for the hell of it anymore.
I do too.

It's not actually for the hell of it but for the fact that it's a very positive mental experience.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Summoner on February 27, 2008, 06:16:00 pm
No one goes for a walk for the hell of it anymore.

I also do.

but what I think is wrong with America is the sheer amount of bigotry and prejudice that is still prevalent here.

it really bothers me
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: YummyDrumsticks on February 27, 2008, 06:54:08 pm
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  Also if you are poor in the U.S. you will end up in horrible schools, the colleges will weight down your GPA, because you went to a bad school and your school didn't offer any AP courses. Even if you get to a good college you will meet tons of problems, you have to take up more than a million dollar in loan because the college prices are extremely high. The previous high school has  probably skipped a lot of the syllabus or you don't need to understand the material to achieve a high grade and then you will fail and have to leave the college.

That is untrue. I am poor as shit, but I managed I find a program where I could attend community college for free while I was in high school! They paid for my tuition and textbooks and I immediately jumped on this opportunity and in the past four years of high school, I was able to complete 80 units of  college for no cost, and even after that, I have tons of opportunities to get good money through government grants like FAFSA and scholarships. Sure, its not enough, but its enough to get my by. The problem is, America is a very open-ended country. You are free to fail miserably or do amazing well. You have a lot of chances to prove yourself, but the issue is, at least in the education system, most people don't care enough to take on these chances or they just don't know about it because there is so much to consider and a lack of organization.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Camlon on February 27, 2008, 09:59:46 pm
That is untrue. I am poor as shit, but I managed I find a program where I could attend community college for free while I was in high school! They paid for my tuition and textbooks and I immediately jumped on this opportunity and in the past four years of high school, I was able to complete 80 units of  college for no cost, and even after that, I have tons of opportunities to get good money through government grants like FAFSA and scholarships. Sure, its not enough, but its enough to get my by. The problem is, America is a very open-ended country. You are free to fail miserably or do amazing well. You have a lot of chances to prove yourself, but the issue is, at least in the education system, most people don't care enough to take on these chances or they just don't know about it because there is so much to consider and a lack of organization.
You must remember that not everyone are as fortunate as you and can attend the university for free or is capable of following university courses. I'm not saying that poor people have no chances to become rich, but it's much harder. If you were rich you would probably attend one of the top universities now. It is true that they give less funding to public schools in bad areas. Why they do that is a good question?

Not only is this system unfair towards those who are poor, but it also cause more criminality and make more stupid Americans.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: dragonheartman on February 28, 2008, 01:10:34 am
[America] is getting dumber because religion is [becoming] more and more popular because of the internet mostly (internet is mostly [Christian])
Wow wut? Being an atheist is trendy nowadays. I don't think that was the case a few centuries ago.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: YummyDrumsticks on February 28, 2008, 02:11:26 am
And ironically the one thing that would stop me from getting into a university is because I am of Asian descent.  :rolleyes: And because there are so many Asians in colleges, there needs to be leeway for those "poorer" minorities!
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Avatar on February 28, 2008, 04:29:44 am
Wow wut? Being an atheist is trendy nowadays. I don't think that was the case a few centuries ago.
I wonder why that would be the case.

Hmm, let's think about it.  Lets think very hard.
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 28, 2008, 04:50:16 am
And ironically the one thing that would stop me from getting into a university is because I am of Asian descent.  :rolleyes: And because there are so many Asians in colleges, there needs to be leeway for those "poorer" minorities!

whites are accepted to college at a still higher level than even Asians, but nice try with the bootstraps!
Title: What is REALLY wrong with America?
Post by: YummyDrumsticks on February 28, 2008, 05:24:26 am
That would vary on what state you are looking and which university system, but now I am digressing from the original topic.