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General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: Rast on March 01, 2008, 01:03:55 am
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Clickey (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/28/prison.population.ap/index.html?iref=newssearch).
I really don't know what to say, other than that's really fucked up and we need to fix it.
Some highlights:
- The US not only has the highest per capita incarceration rate (1 in 99.1 adults), but we have more prisoners than anyone. Even China who we bag on all the time about human rights has less people in prison than we do and they have like 4x our population.
- 1 in 30 men between 20 and 34 is in prison.
- 1 in 9 black men in the same age group is in prison.
- In Kentucky, the violent crime rate has increased 3% in the last 30 years, but the prison population has increased 600%
I think the last point is the most telling of a broken system - in Kentucky they have six times more people in prison and their crime rate actually went up. Also it's a double-hit on our economy, we pay to put all those people in jail and they don't produce anything (except license plates, maybe) while they're there.
I think we need to focus more on rehabilitation and community service for non-violent and lesser offenses, and maybe think about bringing back corporal punishment for offenses that warrant more than that but aren't worth putting someone away for years and years for. This is just another thing that's out of control in our country.
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We also need to stop putting people IN FUCKING PRISON FOR MARIJUANA POSSESSION. I am not some pothead or anything, but honestly, how does doing a mild, non-addictive, abundant drug that grows wild in the US in many places register as something you need to be locked up for. I am only saying this because marijuana charges are a huge bulk of new prisoners every year last I heard, not to start a topic about marijuana legalization.
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China has less persons in prisions because they execute most criminals.
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Do yourself a favor and find the statistic for "number of minorities in prison."
I don't want to sound rude or racist, but I guarantee the number of hispanics in prison is higher than any other race demographic.
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Do yourself a favor and find the statistic for "number of minorities in prison."
I don't want to sound rude or racist, but I guarantee the number of hispanics in prison is higher than any other race demographic.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm
Blacks have the Hispanics by more than double, Marcus:
At yearend 2006 there were 3,042 black male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 black males in the United States, compared to 1,261 Hispanic male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 Hispanic males and 487 white male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 white males.
3.04% of black men vs 1.26% of Hispanic men as of 2007. Also, that means CNN's statistics are either from another source or incorrect, since I doubt they have raised that far since January 2007.
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ooft that's a pretty bad ratio.
We also need to stop putting people IN FUCKING PRISON FOR MARIJUANA POSSESSION. I am not some pothead or anything, but honestly, how does doing a mild, non-addictive, abundant drug that grows wild in the US in many places register as something you need to be locked up for. I am only saying this because marijuana charges are a huge bulk of new prisoners every year last I heard, not to start a topic about marijuana legalization.
yeah i done a quick google and found that 360,000 people were arrested and put in jail for dope possession between 1996-2006. i dunno how much off an effect it would have on the long term statistics though, cos these guys are only in there for a day or two usually. would the number count people in jail for such short stays?
i don't know what can be done about this, but i'm surprised it hasn't been getting more attention, cos this kind of thing doesn't just pop up overnight. how much of it is bad law, and how much is legitimate. i sat and thought for a moment about you would go about getting the number down but that probably isn't the way to go because it would mean a lot of dickheads would get off light.
i guess, community service for the smaller drug crimes and an emphasis on rehabilitation for users rather than punishment. i don't know how that works in the usa, but i am assuming that it's probably more about rounding the junkies up and throwing them in jail than helping them out.
this is just a really massive kind of problem that i dunno how to start thinking about.
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Also it's a double-hit on our economy, we pay to put all those people in jail and they don't produce anything (except license plates, maybe) while they're there.
I dunno about this. You may take a look at another CNN article on the subject:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2006/12/01/8394995/index.htm
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We also need to stop putting people IN FUCKING PRISON FOR MARIJUANA POSSESSION. I am not some pothead or anything, but honestly, how does doing a mild, non-addictive, abundant drug that grows wild in the US in many places register as something you need to be locked up for. I am only saying this because marijuana charges are a huge bulk of new prisoners every year last I heard, not to start a topic about marijuana legalization.
Not only this but they have MANDATORY minimum sentences. Ugh.
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Do yourself a favor and find the statistic for "number of minorities in prison."
I don't want to sound rude or racist, but I guarantee the number of hispanics in prison is higher than any other race demographic.
nope. still blacks.
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This is... disturbing. I blame the school system (although this is far too complex an issue to pin to one source, I would at least say schools are largely to blame).
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here's part of the problem (http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0003-1224%28199808%2963%3A4%3C554%3ARDIOAO%3E2.0.CO%3B2-3&size=LARGE&origin=JSTOR-enlargePage)
buy it if you want (i didn't; I found out about it in a book I'm reading), but it basically goes into detail about, among other things, the tendency for probation officers to be racially biased in their probation reports. a study conducted among those with roughly the same crimes committed, the same age and background described black offenders as "bad kids with character flaws" and white offenders as "victims of negative environmental factors" such as family conflict or delinquent friends.
how do you fix this, though? yeah reprimand or fire the officer, but i've recently been enlightened to just how deep it all goes. this is not a one solution problem.
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It's a psychological problem in white america that I think is growing less and less in the forefront with our generation than the last.
I am humbled by the amount of backhanded racism that our parent's generation (and to a slightly lesser extent our generation) uses on a day to day basis. There are a large amount of people that are pretty dispicable, racist, human beings, but hide behind veils of political correctness on a daily basis.
People who think that minorities are not a target for the police and our criminal justice system simply haven't studied sociology or political science at all.
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http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm
Blacks have the Hispanics by more than double, Marcus:
3.04% of black men vs 1.26% of Hispanic men as of 2007. Also, that means CNN's statistics are either from another source or incorrect, since I doubt they have raised that far since January 2007.
there are more hispanics than blacks so using a ratio is kind of misleading (i don't think they have more than double though)
idk maybe they do:
Thus each racial category contains Non-Hispanic or Latino and Hispanic or Latino Americans; for example: the White race category contains Non-Hispanic Whites and Hispanic Whites (White Hispanics); the Black or African American category contains Non-Hispanic Blacks and Hispanic Blacks (Black Hispanics); and likewise for all the other categories
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Right away I think, strict usa marijuana laws compared to the number of users.
It really is stupid for them to put people in jail for simple personal use. Here in Canada, cops don't really give a shit to an extent. If they bust you, they'll take it and any pipe etc. you have and dispose of them. And give you a warning. At the most they'll get you suspended from school if it was during school hours.
Well, one other punishment seems to be taking you home to your parents and telling them what a naughty boy you've been.
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they should get all those prisoners in a stadium or some shit and have them do mad feats of group coordination
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This is... disturbing. I blame the school system (although this is far too complex an issue to pin to one source, I would at least say schools are largely to blame).
your an idiot and i hope you get thrown in prison
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We also need to stop putting people IN FUCKING PRISON FOR MARIJUANA POSSESSION. I am not some pothead or anything, but honestly, how does doing a mild, non-addictive, abundant drug that grows wild in the US in many places register as something you need to be locked up for. I am only saying this because marijuana charges are a huge bulk of new prisoners every year last I heard, not to start a topic about marijuana legalization.
Because drugs not only ruin many peoples lives but also ruins society. How it ruins society I don't even have to mention since everyone already knows pretty much / or can figure it out.
In Thailand the punishment for drug use is execution. Sweden has deals with Thailand so they just send swedes back here, but if you're from a country that doesn't have a deal or a native, you're royally fucked. The reason for this is because they need to deal with the entire fucked up society that drugs create. That's why you have tougher punishments, there is only one reason and it is very simple, it's an attempt to make people not fucking do drugs.
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except putting people in prison for a medical condition (addiction to drugs) is not really smart?
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nope. still blacks.
that's because they deport hispanics and i base this figure on absolutely nothing (btw you cannot dispute this it is undisputable).
In all seriousness, this figure doesn't surprise me. I mean, it's basic math.
There are more people in the United States now than 10 years ago and the number of people in prison is proportionate to the population. So, using some mathematical property I learned in middle school but forgot the name of because it's wholly unimportant to success of everyday life, I concur that the percentage of people in prison increases as the overall population increases.
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Right away I think, strict usa marijuana laws compared to the number of users.
It really is stupid for them to put people in jail for simple personal use. Here in Canada, cops don't really give a shit to an extent. If they bust you, they'll take it and any pipe etc. you have and dispose of them. And give you a warning. At the most they'll get you suspended from school if it was during school hours.
Well, one other punishment seems to be taking you home to your parents and telling them what a naughty boy you've been.
canada sounds awesome
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except putting people in prison for a medical condition (addiction to drugs) is not really smart?
Except it is, if you call it a rehabilitation clinic.
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Except it is, if you call it a rehabilitation clinic.
except rehab is in no way comparable to the US prison system
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except rehab is in no way comparable to the US prison system
you're right, it's worse than prison if you're poor and they call it a "country club" if you're rich.
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Because drugs not only ruin many peoples lives but also ruins society. How it ruins society I don't even have to mention since everyone already knows pretty much / or can figure it out.
no actually i don't know
i completely fail to see how drug culture can possibly be any more counter-productive than a CRIME CULTURE.
or maybe you see losers smoking weed in their dorms as somehow being more socially reprehensible than gangsters shooting each other in the streets over the status of a couple of kilos of a fucking plant. no matter what the fuck stupid, backwater belief you hold on shit like this, you should be aware that criminalization of ANYTHING of this nature WILL bring many more clones of Al Capone into existence and create unreasonable amounts of crime that otherwise wouldn't have occurred. i don't think it's going out on a limb when i say that a significant amount(if not majority) of people in prison for marijuana crimes wouldn't be in prison or engage in criminal activities otherwise. you may want to double-check your priorities if you think drug use and drug culture is THAT severe of a problem that it warrants creating such an absurdly costly situation
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i completely fail to see how drug culture can possibly be any more counter-productive than a CRIME CULTURE.
Depends on what drug you're talking about. Something like weed that's addictive, plentiful, and relatively harmless isn't going to tear down the walls of America but cocaine, heroine, and crack are some pretty terrible shit and no man should be subjected to using it. My problem with the drug crowd isn't the users themselves but the pushers who sell this shit to CHILDREN and low-income people with dependents because they're dumb, impressionable, and easily available for a quick buck. Seeing a 12 year old trip out and rack his brains against a brick wall because he can't get his fix is a terrible sight to behold and just as bad as some jackass who steals someone's only means of support because he got them hooked on a lethal substance.
The last thing I want is speed and and crack readily available at the corner shop for any elementary school kid to buy with his lunch money. I'd rather there be a handful of Capones than a society of lethargic addicts.
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Depends on what drug you're talking about.
honestly, i was more talking about weed in this case, as that was what bisse was directly responding to.
yeah, i'm definitely not in favor of complete drug de-regulation. i just get irritated when i see people put shit like marijuana and psychedelic culture in the same classification as the culture of the heavily addictive and dangerous drugs
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they should get all those prisoners in a stadium or some shit and have them do mad feats of group coordination
You mean like this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=WjMd2Vabcv8)? I think America needs to step up and beat their record!
There's not much else I can say about this general topic of too many people being in jail. I'm not too surprised about the Kentucky statistic though, pretty much every other person is in jail here, mostly because they drink too much. That could have something to do with the increase in violence too, because every time I hear of a violent crime happening here it turns out to have been caused by either drinking or drugs. Basically the people here who aren't in jail died when their meth lab blew up and somehow their 1 or less year old child was found in the wreckage with only minor injuries.
edit: Also I don't know about other towns but in my home town we JUST made it legal to sell alcohol in restaurants, and if other towns just recently did the same it could explain why there would be more DUI's (which is the main reason people are arrested around here), there is no such thing as responsible drinking in my area.
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My problem with the drug crowd isn't the users themselves but the pushers who sell this shit to CHILDREN and low-income people with dependents because they're dumb, impressionable, and easily available for a quick buck. Seeing a 12 year old trip out and rack his brains against a brick wall because he can't get his fix is a terrible sight to behold and just as bad as some jackass who steals someone's only means of support because he got them hooked on a lethal substance.
The last thing I want is speed and and crack readily available at the corner shop for any elementary school kid to buy with his lunch money. I'd rather there be a handful of Capones than a society of lethargic addicts.
you contradict yourself here. first you say that it is not the drug users you have a problem with, it is the dealers. then you say you would rather have the drug dealers we already have than more drug users.
putting aside the assumption that legalisation of a drug will make it substantially more popular, the most awful thing about the drug business isn't really the dealing of the drugs themselves.
if something which is in constant demand is made illegal, then an illegal trade is going to appear. there is absolutely no stopping this, because there is constant demand, and where there is demand there is gonna be supply. that's why a war on drugs, or whatever, is futile. when something is legal, this is okay because no-one is going to get killed over it but when you put a product into the hands of people who are willing to break the law then you are going to find that when business is not running smoothly, people start getting hurt. then you factor in the fact that the product is an addictive drug and things start to get really awful because the level of demand is so high that people get desperate and they start losing their family, friends and all their money in the pursuit of this thing they are addicted to. when the only supplier of the substance is the kind of person who disregards the law and does not mind selling addictive and lethal substances to people, these addicts are in for a tough fucking time, and the only two outcomes are dying or getting off the drug.
if a drug was legalised and regulated so that there was no reason for it to go into the hands of illegal dealers (because if there is a reason, there is no stopping it), then things wouldn't be as bad. for the addicts it is still gonna fucking suck, i mean alcohol is legal and it's still a big problem for a lot of people including me, but it would be so much worse if it were illegal. talking about 12 year olds buying coke from a corner shop is ridiculous because it is exactly what happens now only they are getting it from behind the corner shop and from people who will kill them if they don't pay up.
you also say that if drugs are legalised, everyone will become an addict. i'd expect there would be a spike in drug use among idiots, but you seem to think that the only thing holding people back from trying certain drugs is the fact that it is illegal. that is probably true for a certain amount of people, but i think alcohol is a good example to bring up here, again. it's legal, but there are serious regulations on it's use. we still have alcoholics, and it still causes a certain level of violence but it is so much better than ridiculous gang warfare, kids being used as runners, innocent bystanders getting killed and on and on. if drugs were to be legalised there would have to be regulations, obviously, but as long as the suppliers remain legitimate and remotely moral, it would be much better than what exists now.
drugs and addiction are always gonna exist, but the level of drug crime these days doesn't need to.
and this is relevant to the topic!!!
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yah the only reason I am drug free is because it hasn't been GOVERNMENT APPROVED, and not because of my views and opnions on the subject.
The whole being banned thing is totally ridiculous. Canabis has been reclassified to a higher class over here or something. Canabis is easier to obtain here then booze or fags, both of which being legal.
America's "war on drugs" is a major joke, because you're like putting the measly little runners, the nobodys into prison, and that's not changing a damn thing, infact it means that the money incentive (or RISK PAY) for such things goes up meaning MORE PEOPLE want to be runners for the extra moolahs. The "War on drugs" seems to have done the opposite to it's purpose, by making the drugs trade a whole lot more profitable and dangerous and by forcing people to be more careful and trickier to catch.
But yah filling up prisons with runners... totally worth it.
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the war on drugs is one of the worst foreign and domestic policies to ever exist
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you're right, it's worse than prison if you're poor and they call it a "country club" if you're rich.
hint: poor/uninsured people can't go to rehab
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jamicus, you seem to forget that people counterfeit alchohol and tobacco on a daily basis. Breaking up a distillery or burning a tobacco farm isn't a big deal and never makes national news but people will do anything for a dollar. If drugs were legalised and a government tax was put on them, you'd still have the same number of guys growing the shit in their backyard or importing it from other countries but the difference here is that it'll be available in every corner shop and in the pockets of pushers. You're just doubling the exposure.
And yeah, the fact that it is illegal and widely frowned upon in the country is a pretty big deterrence. Any job worth a damn (especially government jobs but shit like McDonalds have started doing it) does random urine tests and they'll either fire you or put you on suspension if you test positive. I'd rather keep my money than get a quick fix and lose everything.
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you're right, it's worse than prison if you're poor and they call it a "country club" if you're rich.
Wait, how is rehab 'worse than prison' if you're poor? Granted, you don't get into the Richie Rich Mind and Body Refreshment Club for the Chemically Inclined, but how is it worse than having other inmates shove you around while armed guards watch your every movement?
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I'm not sure if anyone (by anyone I mean the ANTI-EVERY-DRUG people) but there are societies which exist that have weed (and other drugs) legalized yet have not fallen apart (one of them is actually very highly ranked as one of the happiest places on Earth [and ][/and]).
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yeah, i'm definitely not in favor of complete drug de-regulation. i just get irritated when i see people put shit like marijuana and psychedelic culture in the same classification as the culture of the heavily addictive and dangerous drugs
This is the entire point of the Dutch "policy of tolerance", actually.
In the first place, that policy was created in order to prevent people from having to go to criminals to get weed, which would ultimately result in them also being introduced to all kinds of other things that do carry unnecessary health and social risks, such as cocaine or heroin. By separating the two cultures, you're essentially ensuring that the weed culture is relatively harmless. As a result, the people who want to buy weed aren't forced to deal with gangsters.
So, you hit the nail on the head. That's the whole idea here.
They should reword "marijuana legalization" as "marijuana CONTROL".
I'm not sure if anyone (by anyone I mean the ANTI-EVERY-DRUG people) but there are societies which exist that have weed (and other drugs) legalized yet have not fallen apart (one of them is actually very highly ranked as one of the happiest places on Earth [and I don't just mean because everyone is high]).
Yeah, this is because it's better to have the government control marijuana as opposed to gangsters.
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Wait, how is rehab 'worse than prison' if you're poor? Granted, you don't get into the Richie Rich Mind and Body Refreshment Club for the Chemically Inclined, but how is it worse than having other inmates shove you around while armed guards watch your every movement?
Because when I say rehab, I don't mean AA meetings where everyone sits in chairs and talks about how much their lives suck. For serious patients, they strap you to a bed and make you sweat out the drug. I can't speak from experience, but I'd much rather have the basic freedoms of prison life than being confined to a rack for a month. People who normally go through withdrawl have been known to claw their skin off or slam their heads against the ground. That shit scares me more than anything else.
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AA meetings are worse than prison in certain respects anyways. It's a cult that brainwashes you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholics_Anonymous#Cult-like_behavior)
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fff
if you seriously think any poor person has access to rehab you're fundamentally stupid
the rich can go to rehab and get better, the poor go to jail and the process continues
it's called hegemony.
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Because drugs not only ruin many peoples lives but also ruins society. How it ruins society I don't even have to mention since everyone already knows pretty much / or can figure it out.
In Thailand the punishment for drug use is execution. Sweden has deals with Thailand so they just send swedes back here, but if you're from a country that doesn't have a deal or a native, you're royally fucked. The reason for this is because they need to deal with the entire fucked up society that drugs create. That's why you have tougher punishments, there is only one reason and it is very simple, it's an attempt to make people not fucking do drugs.
He was talking about Marijuana though.... not opium. Marijuana is no more harmful than say... alcohol. Both in effects and long term consumption~
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also people who are high on pot generally don't beat the shit out of other people for no reason like they do on alcohol
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also people who are high on pot generally don't beat the shit out of other people for no reason like they do on alcohol
Yeah, people who are high on pot never do anything bad or engage in any dangerous behavior.
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Yeah, people who are high on pot never do anything bad or engage in any dangerous behavior.
yeah, people who are not on drugs/alcohol never do anything stupid either
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yeah, people who are not on drugs/alcohol never do anything stupid either
Yeah they never steal my shit and sell it and pretend they gave it back to me and I somehow mysteriously lost my own fucking huge Xbox in my closet.
(this scenario was marijuana btw, legal or not wouldn't have mattered when someone's stealing to pay for it)
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yeah, people who are not on drugs/alcohol never do anything stupid either
I know right?
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Because when I say rehab, I don't mean AA meetings where everyone sits in chairs and talks about how much their lives suck. For serious patients, they strap you to a bed and make you sweat out the drug. I can't speak from experience, but I'd much rather have the basic freedoms of prison life than being confined to a rack for a month. People who normally go through withdrawl have been known to claw their skin off or slam their heads against the ground. That shit scares me more than anything else.
ahahaha. you don't know shit about rehab, yo.
you realize you can voluntarily leave from rehab clinics.. right?
you also.. don't really know shit about drugs at all i guess. withdrawl symptoms vary heavily depending on the drug. they also happen whether you go to rehab or not so i still am not seeing how rehab is in any way comparable to prisons!!
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I am only saying this because marijuana charges are a huge bulk of new prisoners every year last I heard, not to start a topic about marijuana legalization.
I am only saying this because marijuana charges are a huge bulk of new prisoners every year last I heard, not to start a topic about marijuana legalization.
I am only saying this because marijuana charges are a huge bulk of new prisoners every year last I heard, not to start a topic about marijuana legalization.
I am only saying this because marijuana charges are a huge bulk of new prisoners every year last I heard, not to start a topic about marijuana legalization.
I am only saying this because marijuana charges are a huge bulk of new prisoners every year last I heard, not to start a topic about marijuana legalization.
God dammit, people.
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sorry man we'll keep that in mind next time substantially larger and larger texts have swayed my decision to discuss something the topic is currently discussing that is in fact relevant to the op
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Yeah, people who are high on pot never do anything bad or engage in any dangerous behavior.
Doesn't even compare to alcohol.
In most domestic violence cases alcohol or any of the aggressive drugs (meth, speed, coke, crack, pcp) is involved. People that are high or are tripping generally don't beat the shit out of each other. If you looked at cases where a person has beat up/permanently disabled/murdered his friend/co-worker/wife/children I'll bet your ass in 80-90% of the cases they find alcohol or either of the beforementioned drugs in his blood, and never psychedellics (apart from pcp which is somehow a psychedellic??).
I'm not saying people that do drugs aren't criminals. A lot of them are. And they'll steal and loot to sustain their use. But I think doing something wrong so they can earn money for a drug and doing something wrong that's a consequential action of being on a drug are two completely different scenarios and that's where you need to look at what drugs cause the most or least harm, and of course the possibility of developing a habit or addiction to the drug.
People who steal to be able to buy weed and/or hash are fucking idiots and are idiots to begin with. People who steal to be able to buy coke/speed/meth/heroin are fucking idiots but might've been good people to begin with. That's how I see it anyhow, considering the fact weed/hash isn't actually very addictive, so anyone who steals to buy it is less ADDICTED to it and more HEY I DON'T GIVE A FUCK I'LL BETRAY MY FRIENDS TO GET HIGH FUN 8)
Sorry for derail just wanted to post my shit here :(
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In most domestic violence cases alcohol or any of the aggressive drugs (meth, speed, coke, crack, pcp) is involved.
Saying that is akin to saying that most crimes in the United States are perpetrated by African Americans. You'd be surprised by the number of physically abusive households fall into the "Upper-middle class white family" demographic and how rarely it involves substance abuse.
Doesn't even compare to alcohol.
Also, before we try to get this back on track, I wanted to point out that saying "Alcohol is so much worse and it is legal!" isn't a very effective pro-pot argument. It takes the focus away from why pot is good and should be legal, and puts it on booze and why it should be illegal.
Back on topic:
Yeah, the 3-Strikes Rule is pretty shitty, considering the third strike is usually possession of pot.
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ahahaha. you don't know shit about rehab, yo.
you realize you can voluntarily leave from rehab clinics.. right?
you also.. don't really know shit about drugs at all i guess. withdrawl symptoms vary heavily depending on the drug. they also happen whether you go to rehab or not so i still am not seeing how rehab is in any way comparable to prisons!!
He's right about the rehab thing. The whole "strap down and sweat it out!" is only in movies. The only way you'll be forced into some type of facility is if you are medically determined to be a danger to yourself or others due to your drug habit, not because you decided to commit a crime while high. That does not merit rehab, that'll get you jail time because blaming a drug for your fuck ups is stupid because it was your fuck up in the first place that got you addicted. The person can be the hugest addict and steal shit all the time, and still not be forced into rehab even after multiple calls. I know all of this from experience, sadly. A medic even told me there's no way for someone to be admitted as long as they are able to show they have some sense left in them (through correctly answering questions such as their name, address, birthday, etc.) even after they arrived at the person's house and the person was having trouble standing or even speaking.
EDIT: Also... there is no way you can compare prisons to rehab facilities. Have you ever seen a rehab clinic? It's not bare rooms with no freedom. They typically have sport fields, pools, and nice scenery. This is all so the patient can many activities to keep themselves occupied. Drug rehabilitation and social rehabilitation have very different approaches.
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Drug rehabilitation and social rehabilitation have very different approaches.
Apparently the American approach to social rehabilitation is: don't.
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Apparently the American approach to social rehabilitation is: don't.
That is also their approach to sex education. Works like a charm.
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That is ridiculous number of people in prison, though. Do they get to vote, I wonder?
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no. convicted criminals can't vote.