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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: LxNarik on March 05, 2008, 06:41:13 pm
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this is for all you fol on gaming w who play guitar. I was watching this solo my Friend sent me on youtube and it's intense :shocking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rutyA12z3Ok
all you guitarist put crazy solos in here. I recommend we make a guitar topic to, because it's just so intersting xp.
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i play guitar.
another good "solo" is that asian kid who plays canon rock on youtube. its in the most viewed of all time section.
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Moving this to Music. But they might want a little more effort put into the topic, I dunno.
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This is depressing... I mean, the guy has all that skill, and what does he use it for? Fucking bland-ass lite-metal guitar-wanking crap... No hooks, no good riffs, no power, nothin', just diddley-diddley self-indulgent shite that sounds like the background music to some crappy SNES game. I feel like beating him around the head with a copy of 'Marquee Moon' until he realises the error of his ways in thinking that mere technical profficency can excuse a lack of genuine musical worth. Or dies of a head injury. Whichever comes first.
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Allan Holdsworth (http://youtube.com/watch?v=3COq4fElfRA)
Guthrie Govan (http://youtube.com/watch?v=-yPEewaalik)
Paul Waggoner (http://youtube.com/watch?v=__5FTokSYkg)
Some More Paul Waggoner (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ub_ezfbARnY)
Can you tell I like Paul Waggoner (http://youtube.com/watch?v=288P3dzH0Qw&feature=related)
all I can think of at the moment
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Michael Angelo Batio is really terrible :( his solos have no emotion, other than "Fuck y'all I'm fast!".
A lot of the "shred" era guitarists are fucking awesome musicians but it's the self indulgant stuffa like malmsteen and Batio which people zero in on. It's somewhat annoying as a guitarist because when I say people that I am solo-based, people assume it's all wanking the neck and self indulgant emotionless garbage.
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This is depressing... I mean, the guy has all that skill, and what does he use it for? Fucking bland-ass lite-metal guitar-wanking crap... No hooks, no good riffs, no power, nothin', just diddley-diddley self-indulgent shite that sounds like the background music to some crappy SNES game. I feel like beating him around the head with a copy of 'Marquee Moon' until he realises the error of his ways in thinking that mere technical profficency can excuse a lack of genuine musical worth. Or dies of a head injury. Whichever comes first.
I don't understand why this is a shame. This is all excessive technical guitar skill is good for really, wanking. I mean I can't think of anything that really pushes technical skill that isn't just noodling, because most really good songs are good because they are well written, not because of constant onslaught of really fast notes. I don't think it is as much a case of "what a waste!" as much as who cares?
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I don't understand why this is a shame. This is all excessive technical guitar skill is good for really, wanking. I mean I can't think of anything that really pushes technical skill that isn't just noodling, because most really good songs are good because they are well written, not because of constant onslaught of really fast notes. I don't think it is as much a case of "what a waste!" as much as who cares?
Well, technical ability can, if used right, make a well-written song even more enjoyable. It's like 'Dinosaur Jr's J Mascis... He's easily skilled enough to be able to just play endless solos for hours on end, but he actually writes great songs first and then uses solos and stuff to make them better. Look at 'Freak Scene', say... If you stripped it down to just it's barest components, it'd still be a great song. But all the great guitar parts in it on top of the main tune/vocals manage to make it an even better song.
Television, Richard Thompson, Captain Beefheart, Lightning Bolt and Sonic Youth are all similar in that they only use their impressive technical abilities to augment already great songs...
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technical ability is only useful in being able to fully express yourself. once i get good enough to be able to express myself perfectly as i imagine it, then i don't see the need in further honing my technical abilities.
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technical ability is only useful in being able to fully express yourself. once i get good enough to be able to express myself perfectly as i imagine it, then i don't see the need in further honing my technical abilities.
this is basically what i was trying to say but worded better.
Well, technical ability can, if used right, make a well-written song even more enjoyable. It's like 'Dinosaur Jr's J Mascis... He's easily skilled enough to be able to just play endless solos for hours on end, but he actually writes great songs first and then uses solos and stuff to make them better. Look at 'Freak Scene', say... If you stripped it down to just it's barest components, it'd still be a great song. But all the great guitar parts in it on top of the main tune/vocals manage to make it an even better song.
Television, Richard Thompson, Captain Beefheart, Lightning Bolt and Sonic Youth are all similar in that they only use their impressive technical abilities to augment already great songs...
I listened to Freak Scene, not necessarily my kind of song, but it was decent. I wouldn't really call the solo technical, not when compared with something like that Batio video. I think most people could probably learn it given some time and proper instruction. I'm not saying that it's bad to be good at your instruments or that solos don't have there place and stuff, but I think there is a point when you can play stuff so hard that it just doesn't really correlate to anything human anymore and it just becomes "heh, im so cool". And by hard I just mean physically hard, because when you starting getting into stuff like jazz solos become more a testament of your ability to apply musical knowledge on the spot which is a lot more impressive (although I'm not a huge jazz fan). Batio is just kind of worthless, because he is just playing as fast as possible, which is kind of cool once in a while, it just gets old pretty fast.
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mmm I was looking for something to reply to this topic with... but my favorite guitar players are not shredders or really amazing players as it is heh...
I'm really into Bruce Cockburn, Mark Knopfler and Wes Montgomery... I still admire Mikael Akerfeldt as well but I don't really listen to much Opeth these days
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not nearly as technically proficient but i prefer it to most "virtuoso" players stuff
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Shut up Kaworu you're just jealous that you can't play like him, why people have to be so intolerant to other playing styles? :fogetsad:
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Paco de Lucia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9vNSA0WNlw&feature=related
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i play guitar.
another good "solo" is that asian kid who plays canon rock on youtube. its in the most viewed of all time section.
I can play cannon 1 and 2. I even made a number 3 but I need a better camra to record with.
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mmm I was looking for something to reply to this topic with... but my favorite guitar players are not shredders or really amazing players as it is heh...
I'm really into Bruce Cockburn, Mark Knopfler and Wes Montgomery... I still admire Mikael Akerfeldt as well but I don't really listen to much Opeth these days
Wes is great.
I myself am more of a Joe Pass fan. The mans sense of melody is great.
Is anyone hear into acoustic type stuff. Like around the lines of Andy Mckee, Antoine Dufour, Don Ross, Etc.
EDIT: I really REALLY can't stand John Fruciante, I mean I really can't stand him. Flea on the other hand, awesome guy that guy him guy.
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Shut up Kaworu you're just jealous that you can't play like him, why people have to be so intolerant to other playing styles? :fogetsad:
not really, it's just boring. People like Vai, Satch, Tipton, Petrucci are far more interesting to listen to, and the first three are pretty great at expressing themselves whilst keeping the amazing technical ability.
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I really don't enjoy Vai. The only song I've ever found alright by him was Building the Church. But I am a fan of his tone. I'm suprised no one has mentioned Shawn Lane yet. The guy is probably one of the greatest guitar player to ever live. He had alot of speed but he had some really amazing stuff were his phrasing was more important to him than speed. I would really encourage people to check him out
Shawn Lane - Savitri Solo (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ax02a5q-hNE)
Shawn Lane - Diminished Lesson (Pure Speed Madness) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=7Skk9Q0Qd_k)
Shawn Lane Another Awesome Lesson (http://youtube.com/watch?v=lJmQxx8Lmhghttp://youtube.com/watch?v=lJmQxx8Lmhg)
I would HIGHLY recommend you guys check out Shawn Lane. His work with Jonas Helborg is great
But if you just want pure speed, you would probably want Rusty Cooley
His stuff gets old pretty quick (http://youtube.com/watch?v=8aVlLguYkIY)
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not really, it's just boring. People like Vai, Satch, Tipton, Petrucci are far more interesting to listen to, and the first three are pretty great at expressing themselves whilst keeping the amazing technical ability.
Vai = Old
Satriani = King of boring
Petrucci = Robot, even more robotic than M.A.B.
Tipton = I don't even know who tipton is
Whenever there is a topic or anything else about fast guitarists somebody will say "It's boring all they have is speed" and mention either Satriani or Slash or Kurt Cobain or anyone else. I'll call this the Inri's Law.
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Shut up Kaworu you're just jealous that you can't play like him, why people have to be so intolerant to other playing styles? :fogetsad:
haha this is more terrible than usual!
Anyway, some fantastic, nice guitar playing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsIubn5Pp6s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rENy7MQIYJs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKXS-49bq7g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztv8lsgpmmI - for all you nerds out there! ;)
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Vai = Old
Satriani = King of boring
Petrucci = Robot, even more robotic than M.A.B.
Tipton = I don't even know who tipton is
Whenever there is a topic or anything else about fast guitarists somebody will say "It's boring all they have is speed" and mention either Satriani or Slash or Kurt Cobain or anyone else. I'll call this the Inri's Law.
while i (somewhat) agree with you that vai, satriani, and petrucci are boring... what the fuck. the topic is titled "crazy guitar" not "cool sounding guitar" or whatever. it's pretty obviously a topic about fast, flashy guitar players. (ie vai, petrucci, satriani, etc)
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Shred guitar has always been controversial though, this happens everywhere, not just GW. I don't agree with people shoving it aside(like most rock music made after 1990) because it was a major guitar movement that has produced some great music, and I do get very inspired listening to a lot of solos like Vai's or Howe's (Greg Howe is great because it's jazz based so really stands out from the others). I do respect the technical ability of malmsteen and batio and co but the music just sounds flat to me. Out of the "neoclassicals" MacAlpine is my favourite, his solos are just so smooth. Plus his tapping approach is awesome.
I think my favourite of this generation's guitarists is Dave Weiner. he is unbelievable. He's been Steve Vai's backing guitarist for like 8 years (so his style is kinda similar). Like Vai he uses the guitar (and his ability) for the music more than just creaing bitching solos and showing off. So he's kinda like Vai but with a younger sense of music.
http://www.myspace.com/daveweiner
technical ability is only useful in being able to fully express yourself. once i get good enough to be able to express myself perfectly as i imagine it, then i don't see the need in further honing my technical abilities.
I kinda disagree with this outlook, I think you should always be trying to improve your vocabulary because learning new styles, and getting better can open up ways to express yourself you never thought possible. Improving your ability also gives less chance of your playing stagnating (and the eventual giving up guitar) because you're able to introduce new elements.
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while i (somewhat) agree with you that vai, satriani, and petrucci are boring... what the fuck. the topic is titled "crazy guitar" not "cool sounding guitar" or whatever. it's pretty obviously a topic about fast, flashy guitar players. (ie vai, petrucci, satriani, etc)
Vai and satriani are not fast and flashy guitar players they're just boring, petrucci is probably one of the fastest guitarists that there are but he is also robot, that's why Paul Gilbert is the greatest shredder that there is, in speed and size.
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Well, technical ability can, if used right, make a well-written song even more enjoyable. It's like 'Dinosaur Jr's J Mascis... He's easily skilled enough to be able to just play endless solos for hours on end, but he actually writes great songs first and then uses solos and stuff to make them better. Look at 'Freak Scene', say... If you stripped it down to just it's barest components, it'd still be a great song. But all the great guitar parts in it on top of the main tune/vocals manage to make it an even better song.
Television, Richard Thompson, Captain Beefheart, Lightning Bolt and Sonic Youth are all similar in that they only use their impressive technical abilities to augment already great songs...
man you are such a cool guy sometimes.
i was actually tempted to make fun of this topic, but i guess i thought it should go without saying. stuff like this is kind of sad, though, because it seems like they're more concerned with playing lifeless technically-accomplished solos than they are with writing music as a form of expression. j mascis is a pretty good example, i think, because he was really one of the first guitarists i encountered who could do a fucking three-minute guitar solo and not come off as incredibly pretentious and self-indulgent. i think this is because there's a noticeable difference between him ROCKING THE FUCK OUT, and guys like this playing notes; rocking the fuck out is more than just notes, is what i'm saying! music should be about more than just getting up on stage wearing a double-necked guitar and saying GUYS WATCH ME DO A CARTWHEEL WHILE PLAYING. also, yeah, there's the fact that this shit doesn't especially sound good, whereas despite the often heavy distortion (this is mostly in respect to their 80s shit, not their recent stuff), dinosaur jr's guitar work is pretty fucking catchy and well written. like you said, there're no hooks, no riffs, not really any melody... these are all things that you sort of need! what's the point of being able to play incredibly, incredibly fast and with so much precision if you can't even write a decent song? or, for that matter, anything that sounds like a SONG at all, and not just a bunch of notes thrown together. being able to play like that seems, beyond the novelty of GODDAMN HE'S ACCOMPLISHED, almost totally worthless if that's the only aspect of musicianship you have a solid grip on.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/sCBY9Fb8YGo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=24uSgRy_h-Y
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Who are you to decide what music should be bazooka tooth. If I record the sound of power tools for any prime number of hours and call that music WHO ARE YOU to say it isn't. WHO ARE YOU to say what is or isn't music?
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Who are you to decide what music should be bazooka tooth. If I record the sound of power tools for any prime number of hours and call that music WHO ARE YOU to say it isn't. WHO ARE YOU to say what is or isn't music?
i think it would be best if you stayed out of the music forum.
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i can't even tell if he's being serious.
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All you people that say Batio's solos are lifeless are idiots. It seems that if you play fast, you have no soul. If you utilize slides, bends and slow vibratos, you suck cause you can't play fast. It IS music, it's NOT lifeless. Batio has an acoustic piece that will make you cry. Think about the situation from BOTH sides before making an idiotic post.
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who's ever said someone sucks because they can't play as fast as batio? no one in this topic said anything like that. good to know that you think masturbatory guitar solos are the peak of artistic expression, though! if that youtube linked in the op isn't totally devoid of feeling, then what did you get out of it? ANYTHING AT ALL besides "watch how fast i can play"? maybe all of us are just looking at it in the wrong light, and that with a little bit of perspective we'll realize that, far from lifeless, it's actually a beautiful reflection on a love lost; a sweet meeting and a bitter parting. maybe when steel gets back we can have him listen, and he can turn off all the lights and softly weep to it.
i seriously don't know what the OTHER side you're suggesting we take a look at even is, though. self-indulgent, lacking musical quality vs. ??? (maybe useful as a reference when they finally make wayne's world 3)
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All you people that say Batio's solos are lifeless are idiots. It seems that if you play fast, you have no soul. If you utilize slides, bends and slow vibratos, you suck cause you can't play fast. It IS music, it's NOT lifeless. Batio has an acoustic piece that will make you cry. Think about the situation from BOTH sides before making an idiotic post.
who cares it's just music
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Isn't it official by now that anybody with 666 in their name is just a joke account?
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All you people that say Batio's solos are lifeless are idiots. It seems that if you play fast, you have no soul. If you utilize slides, bends and slow vibratos, you suck cause you can't play fast. It IS music, it's NOT lifeless. Batio has an acoustic piece that will make you cry. Think about the situation from BOTH sides before making an idiotic post.
hahaha
Also since this is about CRAZY GUITARISTS and not cool guitarists (substance over technicality) i gues i should stay out of this topic...
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Ok, i might as well list some few interesting clips i have accumulated by time.
"Li'l Jack Horny Intro/Midnight Express" by Nuno Bettencourt
- Interesting eastern- infuenced electro-accoustic performance by Nuno Bettencourt. Some amazing rhythm work there. Skip to about 0:49.
Al di Meola - Land of the Midnight Sun Pt. 1
- So you guys think Petrucci is something amazing? Then, i guess you could like this song from 1975. Some prog - stuff with flamenco influences. Note: the guy does not shred at all, just listen what he does.
Steve Vai - Tender Surrender
- as a finisher. The very essential of Steve Vai. Vai is... incredible, his emotions are so authentic, just look his gestures and face thorough the whole performance.
Guana might have even more interesting stuff.
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i can't even tell if he's being serious.
Hahahaha stop playing the "inri is a troll card" it's so old.
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good god I created a war xd. personally going into the big battle, I think there is no bad or good guitar. it's all a matter of opinion really. if you think shredding is talented good for you.. if you think shredding is just bragging and not showing soul, good for you to. it's all opinion, and nobody has the same taste. I myself think shredding shows how good you are, but look at jimmy. some pepole say he was the best guitarist of all time. not all of his song were crazy solos though were they, most he was just jamming. so end of argument, bring this topic to normal. :cool:
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He's easily skilled enough to be able to just play endless solos for hours on end, but he actually writes great songs first and then uses solos and stuff to make them better.
This is exactly the way I see it too. We were having a conversation about this on IRC one day and Cliff said how every guitarist wants to play solos and I told him that I don't give a shit about how many solos (or how difficult they are to play) a song has, I'm more interested in good songwriting. If you can write a good song and include fitting solo(s), then that's all cool of course. However, it gets boring when musicians write songs so that they can show off how good they are at their instruments.
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But having technical hability increases brain size so even if you don't use 100% of your power it's a good thing to learn how to play like john petrucci.
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who's ever said someone sucks because they can't play as fast as batio? no one in this topic said anything like that. good to know that you think masturbatory guitar solos are the peak of artistic expression, though! if that youtube linked in the op isn't totally devoid of feeling, then what did you get out of it? ANYTHING AT ALL besides "watch how fast i can play"? maybe all of us are just looking at it in the wrong light, and that with a little bit of perspective we'll realize that, far from lifeless, it's actually a beautiful reflection on a love lost; a sweet meeting and a bitter parting. maybe when steel gets back we can have him listen, and he can turn off all the lights and softly weep to it.
i seriously don't know what the OTHER side you're suggesting we take a look at even is, though. self-indulgent, lacking musical quality vs. ??? (maybe useful as a reference when they finally make wayne's world 3)
frack you pal...frack you hard.
I guess the other side would be the same thing you hear in most instrumental pieces. unfortunately, most people aren't talented enough to do more than create a movie-soundtrack sentimentality or just a series of crescendos. the obvious example of an instrumental track that is just a guitar pretty much is Funkadelic's Maggot Brain, which I think the guitarist described as someone's mom dying and then coming back to life. there's also all of jazz pretty much.
if you view technical ability and emotional ability as a binary switch you're probably an idiot. it's not that hard to figure out if something is a soulless solo and it is as easy as determining the level of emotional investment the song demands from you. if all you are thinking is :incred: then it's not much of a song. I've laughed to myself while listening to Buddy Rich shit, which I guess is the same, but that's mixed in with "man this is some fun fucking music".
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also
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=20769592 this is so funny
edit: watch them all.
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A personal favourite shredder.
His piano stuff is most jaw-dropping for me though
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Man, I used to get Tony and Greg (Howe) mixed up all the time. It wasn't till I started checking out their stuff that I learned Tony is a bit more neo-classical and Greg is more jazz based. Both are amazing though. Man, all this talk about shred makes me want to start a "Shredders of GW" project or something.
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yeah i forgot about maggot brain. it's pretty much the most emotional guitar solo ever (imo of course heh heh)
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I feel like listening to masturbation while listening to that Speed Kills video
Note to self: So that's how the white noise really sounds...
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Nowhere near as crazily talented as some of these guys, but far fucking more talented in the actual sound department, we have Mr Greenwood :
(Bit at the end) That's not really the best of him, but there is an mp3 of him live just freaking out with a guitar for like 1:30.
Edit: For those who are interested found it, http://www.box.net/shared/837fh8xcs0
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I don't think they're so talented holloway
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A personal favourite shredder.
him using delay while explaining shred techniques is really annoying!
blah blah radiohead vid
I'd agree that what radiohead is doing compositionally is way more interesting/innovative than what any of these shred guys are doing.
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wait right this is not about INNOV THIS IS ABOUT SHRED
sorry guys
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__Z6lNp3Ako
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dACc_1G44-I
SRV was a whole other thing.
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SRV was a good Jimi Hendrix emulator
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SRV was a good Jimi Hendrix emulator
damn you cheetos stop saying good things you are surprising me far too much!
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man if you're gonna post voodoo child at least post hendrix's version. srv is good but like inri cheetos said, he's a good hendrix emulator!
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A rather interestin use of digital and solid state based things:
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i don't see how they are really as similar as you say they are. i don't see why you say srv is a hendrix emulator either!
srv was likely influenced by him, yeah, but he's not fucking COPYING his playing style! Of course voodo child is going to sound similar as it is a cover, but outside of that, they don't really sound or play too similarly (really just because they played two different genres of music).
then again, music isn't objective or something to argue about (at least not here), so whatever.
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i'm not saying srv isn't good. he was amazing. he just bases a lot of his playing style around hendrix. he's also done about 3,000 hendrix covers so yeah.
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that was more directed towards xsmsfpsft but yeah, he did do a fuckton of hendrix covers and was influenced by him quite a bit
i don't think he was an EMULATOR, however!
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What I said was about the thousands of covers because I think SRV's playing is more square-y and violent than jimy's so they're very different from that point of view
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A rather interestin use of digital and solid state based things:
that was fucking awesome