Post by: Bravo on March 07, 2008, 02:58:06 am
PS: I know that a lot of you guys are not from the USA, but this event likely still had an impact on your lives. Please specify if you are from the US or not.
Post by: Marcus on March 07, 2008, 03:00:34 am
It also put military spending at a record high but instead of using the money to improve equipment, it's being wasted on statues and renovations that end up getting blown up again as well as being used to pay for hornets that fly the president onto aircraft carriers and perform flight maneuvers that no one cares about.
9/11 also gave paranoid xenophobes an excuse to point fingers at brown people who wear turbans. I guess you can also blame it as an excuse for corrupt politicians to get ill-informed voters to support them... you know, all of life's problems stem around 9/11. Got cancer? Dust from the WTC caused it. Diabeetus? 9/11. Mexican stealing your job? It's because some towelhead blew up the towers. 9/11. nine-eleven. nyan-ee-leven.
Post by: Ryan on March 07, 2008, 03:07:46 am
Post by: ase on March 07, 2008, 04:55:25 am
I was on snopes.com today and I noticed that the Top 25 Legends are pretty much all spam e-mails about :
A) SOMEONE IS BEING UNPATRIOTIC. BOYCOTT THEM NOW!!! (See: Barack Obama is Muslim, refuses to pledge allegiance to the flag; Starbucks makes 9/11 rescuers pay for water; new U.S. coins omit the phrase "In God We Trust") -
B) A CELEBRITY IS DOING UN-CHRISTIAN THINGS. MAY JESUS CHRIST SAVE US. (See: Kathy Griffin)
So basically, snopes.com has showed me that 9/11 has increased the concentration of fucking gullible idiots as well as the concentration of ultra-conservative stupid SUPPORT AMERICA KILL ARABS/TERRORISTS (same thing) people
Post by: Drevean on March 07, 2008, 05:06:54 am
And if his answer sucks, ask your friends dad.
Post by: Paragon on March 07, 2008, 05:15:10 am
Post by: Marcus on March 07, 2008, 05:30:34 am
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So basically, snopes.com has showed me that 9/11 has increased the concentration of fucking gullible idiots as well as the concentration of ultra-conservative stupid SUPPORT AMERICA KILL ARABS/TERRORISTS (same thing) people
i am 100% certain those spam emails come from bored teenagers. religious people don't believe in computers, duh.
Post by: Kaworu on March 07, 2008, 10:21:31 am
Post by: Vellfire on March 07, 2008, 01:54:58 pm
I saw a bumper sticker on someone's car the other day that said "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's in English, thank a soldier." with a big American flag by it.
I AM GLAD WE ARE PROTECTING OUR LANGUAGE FROM BEING OVERTAKEN BY OTHER COUNTRIES (OUR LANGUAGE(NOT YOURS((FUKKIN BRITS))
I now understand why we were attacked and why we're at war. I mean, think about it--the terrorists are really winning. They wanted to overtake our language, and now that we've been attacked we're saying terrorist words like Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden and Al Jazeera like every day! We have to go to war with them so we can reclaim English for America!
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Post by: Vellfire on March 07, 2008, 02:47:07 pm
holy fuck
IF THE JAPANESE HAD WON WE MIGHT NOT BE SPEAKING JAPANESE BUT WE SURE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS BUMPER STICKER
(this isn't the exact one i saw of course because like i said this one had a big ol' american flag)
Post by: kentona on March 07, 2008, 03:22:29 pm
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Post by: Mince Wobley on March 07, 2008, 05:54:21 pm
Post by: Vellfire on March 07, 2008, 07:57:24 pm
After 9/11 I noticed a lot of people blasting a large shoop da whoop (http://sketchfu.com/images/drawings/24266.png?1184267098) beam of hatred and bigotry towards American Iraqis and other races... but maybe thats just because I live in the south.
holy shit do you mention that in all of your posts (this is the second time i've seen you do it) because if so you will be banned pretty fast
that shit doesn't belong on gw
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on March 07, 2008, 08:53:54 pm
After 9/11, everything became more politically correct.
ahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha
the opposite of this.
Post by: Achiro on March 07, 2008, 09:08:48 pm
Edit : For those who don't know, wagging the dog is when you make something bad happen to cover up something else, in summary.
Post by: Drevean on March 07, 2008, 09:09:12 pm
I don't live in US and I don't think it affected my life but I wonder what would be happening right now if they didn't do it?
I'm assuming you mean if they didn't bomb the World Trade Centers.
And who knows. We (us here in the U.S.) would probably be in the beginning of a whole new age of prosperity. Bush might have been able to focus his energy more on his ranch and stroke, further emphasizing how pampered a breed we really are.
Post by: Achiro on March 07, 2008, 09:10:42 pm
I'm assuming you mean if they didn't bomb the World Trade Centers.wasn't he already palnning to go to war with iraq before 9/11?
And who knows. We (us here in the U.S.) would probably be in the beginning of a whole new age of prosperity. Bush might have been able to focus his energy more on his ranch and stroke, further emphasizing how pampered a breed we really are.
Post by: Drevean on March 07, 2008, 09:27:11 pm
wasn't he already palnning to go to war with iraq before 9/11?
Maybe... It's easy to assume so, yes. It's about hope sucka! Hope!
Post by: Finality on March 07, 2008, 10:01:15 pm
9/11 has increased the concentration of fucking gullible idiots as well as the concentration of ultra-conservative stupid SUPPORT AMERICA KILL ARABS/TERRORISTS (same thing) peopleI would agree this is one of the ways it changed America. As far as security, America has pretty much lost the fear that terrorists live in our backyards and are planning an attack in an hour. And those who still believe that could spend their time better. At the risk of sounding like a pessimistic, 9/11 will eventually be remembered the same way we look at Pearl Harbor. Sure it changed people, but I don't think it actually changed the world, it just changed how we viewed it for a while.
Post by: Achiro on March 07, 2008, 10:05:05 pm
I would agree this is one of the ways it changed America. As far as security, America has pretty much lost the fear that terrorists live in our backyards and are planning an attack in an hour. And those who still believe that could spend their time better. At the risk of sounding like a pessimistic, 9/11 will eventually be remembered the same way we look at Pearl Harbor. Sure it changed people, but I don't think it actually changed the world, it just changed how we viewed it for a while.
Didn't America alreayd know about the Pearl harbor attack and allowed it to still happen? same could be said about 9/11 later on I guess.
I think it's retarded as hell that if you even mention 9/11 ina public area people will be all like "omg don't talk about 9/11 my entire family and pet dog and cat and house and gameboy advance got killed in it ansd it offends me".
You don't see people whine everytime someone talks about guns when there parents were shot.
Post by: dada on March 07, 2008, 10:42:58 pm
Didn't America alreayd know about the Pearl harbor attack and allowed it to still happen? same could be said about 9/11 later on I guess.
I think it's retarded as hell that if you even mention 9/11 ina public area people will be all like "omg don't talk about 9/11 my entire family and pet dog and cat and house and gameboy advance got killed in it ansd it offends me".
You don't see people whine everytime someone talks about guns when there parents were shot.
:doom:
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on March 08, 2008, 12:38:02 am
Didn't America alreayd know about the Pearl harbor attack and allowed it to still happen? same could be said about 9/11 later on I guess.
I think it's retarded as hell that if you even mention 9/11 ina public area people will be all like "omg don't talk about 9/11 my entire family and pet dog and cat and house and gameboy advance got killed in it ansd it offends me".
You don't see people whine everytime someone talks about guns when there parents were shot.
Please stop posting.
Post by: Kizzycrew on March 08, 2008, 01:44:11 am
(OUR LANGUAGE(NOT YOURS((FUKKIN BRITS))
If that's what your language looks like, keep it. I'm happy speaking English thank you.
Fucking Americans.
Post by: Drevean on March 08, 2008, 01:49:19 am
Post by: Kizzycrew on March 08, 2008, 01:55:21 am
Mmm, I'll be your big faut bloody cheeze buhgha all night Kizzy ; )
Well done, not only have you confused be, you've disturbed me too.
Mission complete?
Post by: ase on March 08, 2008, 01:59:29 am
If that's what your language looks like, keep it. I'm happy speaking English thank you.Before you go around flaming people, I'd like to inform you that sarcasm, irony, and parody perception is a necessary tool to have in order to post on these forums. Please update your software.
Fucking Americans.
Post by: Kizzycrew on March 08, 2008, 02:05:32 am
Before you go around flaming people, I'd like to inform you that sarcasm, irony, and parody perception is a necessary tool to have in order to post on these forums. Please update your software.
You're the one running Windows 98 here, pal! Is it because I didn't post a :fogetlaugh:?
Post by: Drevean on March 08, 2008, 02:20:33 am
Post by: `~congresman Ron paul~~ on March 08, 2008, 02:34:16 am
also I think that 9/11 drew us into a horrible war in Iraq that will lead to decades of cynicism just like after Watergate and Vietnam! I don't see the damage Bush has done being undone for many, many years.
Post by: Kizzycrew on March 08, 2008, 02:44:05 am
Cumouwn' ya twat! Aughain't beein aubstraughkt ou nuttin'! Aum just lettin' ye know thought you're a douche!That's not too bad for scottish actually. You should get a job as a professional comedian someday, your family would be proud of you.
Wow. I didn't believe the whole GW IS BEING INFESTED WITH IDIOTS propaganda until I read this thread!!
also I think that 9/11 drew us into a horrible war in Iraq that will lead to decades of cynicism just like after Watergate and Vietnam! I don't see the damage Bush has done being undone for many, many years.
Quite true. What scares me is all the people who still think it's for the right reasons. Ah well.
Post by: Drevean on March 08, 2008, 02:51:44 am
That's not too bad for scottish actually. You should get a job as a professional comedian someday, your family would be proud of you.
No, my family will never love me. Especially if I was a comedian. Anyways, I didn't really mean to be a dick to you, I just hate it when people throw out the "fucking Americans" line. I'm a white American. :fogetshh: But, as long as you hate Americans I'll make fun of the way you bloody Redcoats speak.
Post by: Kizzycrew on March 08, 2008, 03:05:09 am
I like Americans on the most part. The most part... Oh. And our sense of humour is superior! Thats about it though :fogetlaugh:
Post by: Vellfire on March 08, 2008, 03:07:43 am
Post by: Kizzycrew on March 08, 2008, 03:10:45 am
Post by: Drevean on March 08, 2008, 03:11:22 am
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Post by: ase on March 08, 2008, 03:20:13 am
Talk about something vaguely regarding the OP's intended discussion questions or don't post at all.
Post by: Doktormartini on March 08, 2008, 03:29:09 am
This is only kind of related butHow is Al Jazeera a terrorist word? ha
I saw a bumper sticker on someone's car the other day that said "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's in English, thank a soldier." with a big American flag by it.
I AM GLAD WE ARE PROTECTING OUR LANGUAGE FROM BEING OVERTAKEN BY OTHER COUNTRIES (OUR LANGUAGE(NOT YOURS((FUKKIN BRITS))
I now understand why we were attacked and why we're at war. I mean, think about it--the terrorists are really winning. They wanted to overtake our language, and now that we've been attacked we're saying terrorist words like Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden and Al Jazeera like every day! We have to go to war with them so we can reclaim English for America!
Pretty much a lot has changed. So much that you can't really talk about it all here. Lots of people are dumb and think that Muslim = Terrrorist and that's not the case. Lots of people think Iraq = 9/11 that's not the case either. People need to educate themselves more rather than just speak out on things they don't know.
Post by: Ryan on March 08, 2008, 03:32:03 am
People need to educate themselves more rather than just speak out on things they don't know.
this is beyond ironic coming from you!
Post by: Doktormartini on March 08, 2008, 03:43:20 am
this is beyond ironic coming from you!Haha I understand what you are getting at....
Post by: Yuki H. on March 08, 2008, 06:22:26 am
Since I moved from ny to out of state (Florida), a lot of them do not understand what the twin towers are, and what happened that day. A lot of them said they were like "okay" when they saw this building just totally explode everywhere..
Downtown Ny is pretty much dead after that attack, so many businesses were lost in that area, or had to close down just because of the twin towers. Consumerism in that area probably went down a little too..
Post by: Drevean on March 08, 2008, 07:09:06 am
I feel like 9/11 did not affect those who did not have any ties to it. Like, family members who worked there, or firefighters... stock.. whatever.
Since I moved from ny to out of state (Florida), a lot of them do not understand what the twin towers are, and what happened that day. A lot of them said they were like "okay" when they saw this building just totally explode everywhere..
Downtown Ny is pretty much dead after that attack, so many businesses were lost in that area, or had to close down just because of the twin towers. Consumerism in that area probably went down a little too..
I can't disagree more. I had no family that was hurt, or killed in those attacks. But I will say that I saw the second tower get hit on live television, while I was just beginning my high school career. I was sitting in my biology class as a freshmen when it happened, so soon into the school year. It was aweful. That whole day was the most grim day I ever knew. And I'll always remember watching that TV, the whole class as rowdy as we got, in complete silence and disbelief.
It's affected all of us here in America. Of course those who lost loved ones were directly effected the most. But also amongst those who are greatly effected are the individuals like me, who saw everything that seemed so care free as an early teen, vanish within a year. As a youngster, life was great, and happy, and it seemed there wasn't a problem in my entire world. Even right before highschool, when I was becoming more aware of the world and the things around me, life seemed great. But after 9/11, a lot has changed. I went from living in a stable (enough) nation, to living in a whole world of intolerance and hate. Never before 9/11 did I ever hear the words "camel jockey," "rag head," or "sand nigger." But after 9/11 it was damn near every other word out of a high schooler's mouth. Wether to be directly hateful, or just to be funny, there was a lot of shit being flung around those halls about anything to do with a plane or a bomb or a foreigner.
Also, think of the families here in America who have Arab or other middle eastern ethnic backgrounds. They were hated, for a time. And still are by some select individuals. For a long time and perhaps still now they all received the coldest of stares out in public. I'm not certain but I'd even assume there's been hate crimes and killings against those families who are supposed to be our American brothers and sisters. They too were very much affected.
You don't have to have a direct tie to 9/11 to be affected by it. You just need to know where certain influences in your life come from.
Post by: Paragon on March 08, 2008, 08:19:21 am
I took the LIBERTY (which I wouldn't have if I were from some backwards planet where America didn't rule) to add some American images to better represent that red-blooded American spirit you put behind each and every word.
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I can't disagree more. I had no family that was hurt, or killed in those attacks. But I will say that I saw the second tower get hit on live television, while I was just beginning my high school career. I was sitting in my biology class as a freshmen when it happened, so soon into the school year. It was aweful. That whole day was the most grim day I ever knew. And I'll always remember watching that TV, the whole class as rowdy as we got, in complete silence and disbelief.
It's affected all of us here in America. Of course those who lost loved ones were directly effected the most. But also amongst those who are greatly effected are the individuals like me, who saw everything that seemed so care free as an early teen, vanish within a year. As a youngster, life was great, and happy, and it seemed there wasn't a problem in my entire world. Even right before highschool, when I was becoming more aware of the world and the things around me, life seemed great. But after 9/11, a lot has changed. I went from living in a stable (enough) nation, to living in a whole world of intolerance and hate. Never before 9/11 did I ever hear the words "camel jockey," "rag head," or "sand nigger." But after 9/11 it was damn near every other word out of a high schooler's mouth. Wether to be directly hateful, or just to be funny, there was a lot of shit being flung around those halls about anything to do with a plane or a bomb or a foreigner.
Also, think of the families here in America who have Arab or other middle eastern ethnic backgrounds. They were hated, for a time. And still are by some select individuals. For a long time and perhaps still now they all received the coldest of stares out in public. I'm not certain but I'd even assume there's been hate crimes and killings against those families who are supposed to be our American brothers and sisters. They too were very much affected.
You don't have to have a direct tie to 9/11 to be affected by it. You just need to know where certain influences in your life come from.
God Bless.
Post by: Drevean on March 08, 2008, 08:26:44 am
Post by: Dark Angel on March 08, 2008, 08:56:12 am
I saw a bumper sticker on someone's car the other day that said "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's in English, thank a soldier." with a big American flag by it.
While I disagree with the "thank a soldier" bit, I DO agree with the "Welcome to America, now speak english". I think it really fucking ridiculous that people who speak a foreign language move anywhere, legally or otherwise, and expect the people there to cater to them. If you are going to move to a country that speaks a different language than you, it is your fucking responsibility to learn their language.
Post by: Kaworu on March 08, 2008, 10:23:53 am
While I disagree with the "thank a soldier" bit, I DO agree with the "Welcome to America, now speak english". I think it really fucking ridiculous that people who speak a foreign language move anywhere, legally or otherwise, and expect the people there to cater to them. If you are going to move to a country that speaks a different language than you, it is your fucking responsibility to learn their language.So why aren't you speaking in one of the many extinct native american dialects?
Post by: Evangel on March 08, 2008, 12:15:48 pm
Since then, a lot of things have gone to shit. Just about my entire country (United States) is paranoid as fuck, not just of potential terrorists, but paranoid of our own government which has tightened security while reducing personal liberties. While I personally have not been affected, the possibility of wiretapping and being imprisoned sans habeas corpus is always there.
I'm very pissed with the way the government and media have played the events of 9/11. The whole point of terrorism is to instill fear and doubt in the people. The media has facilitated that by constantly reminding us of the past events and the possibility of more attacks. While that is realistic, the way they portray it is ridiculous. For weeks after 9/11, the videos of the attack were played on repeat countless times on every major news network. The horror of the carnage was imprinted into everyone's brains.
Riding on the initial shock of the attack, the nation was led into very much unnecessary combat. The initial operations in Afghanistan were understandable, but the shit that still goes on in Iraq is just stupid. As long as we have a presence there, there will always be someone to fight us. It's a drain on lives and puts serious doubts on our country's integrity. There is no physically fighting terrorism. It is the result of fucking over certain groups of people in the Middle East for years. Our invasion of Iraq only angers those groups more.
Post by: Vellfire on March 08, 2008, 12:25:40 pm
While I disagree with the "thank a soldier" bit, I DO agree with the "Welcome to America, now speak english". I think it really fucking ridiculous that people who speak a foreign language move anywhere, legally or otherwise, and expect the people there to cater to them. If you are going to move to a country that speaks a different language than you, it is your fucking responsibility to learn their language.
99.9% of the people who own this bumper sticker at one point or another travel abroad but they know no languages other than english.
They only own it because they want Mexicans to "stop speaking their goddamn commie Mexican".
Post by: Ryan on March 08, 2008, 03:48:41 pm
While I disagree with the "thank a soldier" bit, I DO agree with the "Welcome to America, now speak english". I think it really fucking ridiculous that people who speak a foreign language move anywhere, legally or otherwise, and expect the people there to cater to them. If you are going to move to a country that speaks a different language than you, it is your fucking responsibility to learn their language.
:rolleyes:
i expect you will never travel abroad then, right? you wouldn't want to burden those countries with catering to your English-speaking needs
Post by: ase on March 08, 2008, 04:10:20 pm
:rolleyes:your so dumb. obviesly every country (even china) speaks english. it's the offical language of the world didnt you hear???
i expect you will never travel abroad then, right? you wouldn't want to burden those countries with catering to your English-speaking needs
don't believe me?? look at south africa... english is one of its official languages and IT HAS AFRICA IN THE NAME
Post by: crone_lover720 on March 08, 2008, 04:20:21 pm
Post by: Saleop on March 08, 2008, 05:32:21 pm
pretty sure he is talking about
MOVING to another country, not just visiting it.
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 08, 2008, 08:16:53 pm
I seriously think anyone who thinks having signs in Spanish and English means people won't learn English is pretty much a xenophobe because come on.
Post by: Dark Angel on March 08, 2008, 08:21:35 pm
You know guys, to be fair, I am
pretty sure he is talking about
MOVING to another country, not just visiting it.
Correct and...
:rolleyes:
i expect you will never travel abroad then, right? you wouldn't want to burden those countries with catering to your English-speaking needs
Halfway correct. I would never move to another country and not learn their language. And I would never visit another country without learning some basic vocabulary to get me by, as well as carrying some sort of two-way dictionary. Seriously guys, it's been four years, stop jumping on my back like this.
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 08, 2008, 08:25:27 pm
Post by: Dark Angel on March 08, 2008, 08:27:44 pm
EDIT-Ok, that is an example, not a literal point.
Post by: Wil on March 08, 2008, 09:44:01 pm
Post by: ase on March 08, 2008, 10:40:13 pm
Ok. Sounds good to me. I'm talking about people who go out and use their four year old english speaking children to order fries.Did you think that maybe they are using their kids to order food at McDonald's because they have been driven to a state of fear by shits like you and are scared of displaying their non-perfect English skills to xenophobic high schoolers who will run back to the food prep area and snigger about the verb-noun disagreement among the other mexicans and poor kids of immigrants who are working there. Those kids will pretend to laugh at the joke to keep a friendly atmosphere and not get beaten up at the one place that provides them with money. Meanwhile, the mother of the kid ordering the food works at a factory job for near-minimum wage for 45 hours a week where her fellow employees ignore her when she asks them questions and laugh behind her back, wrongly assuming that she doesn't know enough English to understand when people are calling her an idiot. She gets home and instead of taking a break after the work day has to cook dinner for the family because there's a mortgage to pay and not enough money to go out todinner twice a week. She tried to take night classes for English a few years ago but found herself too tired to concentrate or read a book after a day of squinting under a magnifying glass to paint a few thousand police and firefighter badges at the factory. Instead, she tells her eight-year old son to approach the cashier because he's been going to elementary school for a few years now where he actually mingles with people who want to talk to him in English.
EDIT-Ok, that is an example, not a literal point.
Nah, you wouldn't know anything about that.
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 08, 2008, 11:52:59 pm
Post by: Vellfire on March 09, 2008, 02:00:26 am
not that you shouldn't try, i am just saying that as long as you aren't an asshole about it it's not really that big a deal!
Post by: Bravo on March 09, 2008, 03:58:12 am
Post by: Dark Angel on March 09, 2008, 09:44:11 am
EDIT-Ok, that is an example, not a literal point.
God damnit ASE, go get fucked in the ass you stupid piece of shit. If you must know the one fucking example I am talking about the mexican was wearing a LEATHER COAT AND GOLD CHAINS around his neck and spent ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS ON PIZZA AND TOKENS FOR VIDEO GAMES. But hey, LET JUST CONTINUE THE TREND AND ASSUME THE WORST ABOUT DARK ANGEL BECAUSE IT'S STILL COOL FOUR YEARS LATER.
BY THE FUCKING WAY I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE BRAVE ENOUGH TO PAY A GUY 10 GRAND TO LEAD THEM ACROSS THE BORDER KNOWING THAT HE WILL GLADLY DITCH THEM IF IT'S IN HIS INTEREST IN THE SLIGHTEST, BRAVE ENOUGH TO FACE THE 130+ HEAT IN THE DRY DESERT WITH NO FOOD OR WATER, AND BRAVE ENOUGH TO FACE THE BORDER PATROL AGENTS THAT WILL DO WORSE THAN LEAVE THEM HIGH AND DRY BUT LACK THE CAJONES TO LEARN A FUCKING LANGUAGE.
But good point though you got me.
Post by: Vellfire on March 09, 2008, 12:34:38 pm
ALSO ONE EXAMPLE EQUALS EVERYONE
Post by: bible_basher on March 09, 2008, 02:36:26 pm
Didn't America alreayd know about the Pearl harbor attack and allowed it to still happen? same could be said about 9/11 later on I guess.I have not read the rest but I gotta reply to this post.
I think it's retarded as hell that if you even mention 9/11 ina public area people will be all like "omg don't talk about 9/11 my entire family and pet dog and cat and house and gameboy advance got killed in it ansd it offends me".
You don't see people whine everytime someone talks about guns when there parents were shot.
First off, it's rumoured(or confirmed, I'm not sure) that BRITAIN allowed the pearl harbour attack to happen, not america!
And guns IN GENERAL != TO A SPECIFIC EVENT
I would write a longer post but you are so stupid I need to cut it down.
Post by: Wash Cycle on March 09, 2008, 02:41:46 pm
God damnit ASE, go get fucked in the ass you stupid piece of shit.man go get fucked in the ass yourself you stupid piece of shit. do you not realize he pretty much just told you part of his life story and you told him to go get fucked in the ass? What the fuck is wrong with you dude?
also I dont know if you realize this, because you grew up speaking it, but english is pretty much the hardest language on earth to master. Granted its pretty difficult for us English speakers to learn a tonal language like Chinese or Yoruba or Navajo or whatever but ffs man, we native English speakers really take for granted how difficult it is for people to learn to speak English. I mean imagine if you were from a rural poor unindustrialized area with little to no schooling and then all of a sudden you were forced to learn a new language by people who refused to speak your language. It'd be pretty fuckin difficult no? I think the thing you fail to understand is that many people's deficiencies at speaking English when they first come to this country is not for lack of trying man. Not for the lack of caring enough, not for any of your stupid racist justification reasons either.
christ
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 09, 2008, 02:47:08 pm
God damnit ASE, go get fucked in the ass you stupid piece of shit. If you must know the one fucking example I am talking about the mexican was wearing a LEATHER COAT AND GOLD CHAINS around his neck and spent ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS ON PIZZA AND TOKENS FOR VIDEO GAMES. But hey, LET JUST CONTINUE THE TREND AND ASSUME THE WORST ABOUT DARK ANGEL BECAUSE IT'S STILL COOL FOUR YEARS LATER.
BY THE FUCKING WAY I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE BRAVE ENOUGH TO PAY A GUY 10 GRAND TO LEAD THEM ACROSS THE BORDER KNOWING THAT HE WILL GLADLY DITCH THEM IF IT'S IN HIS INTEREST IN THE SLIGHTEST, BRAVE ENOUGH TO FACE THE 130+ HEAT IN THE DRY DESERT WITH NO FOOD OR WATER, AND BRAVE ENOUGH TO FACE THE BORDER PATROL AGENTS THAT WILL DO WORSE THAN LEAVE THEM HIGH AND DRY BUT LACK THE CAJONES TO LEARN A FUCKING LANGUAGE.
But good point though you got me.
I don't even get this post. it's like...you proved yourself wrong man. I can't...I can't even post about this.
congrats internet you win this battle.
Post by: jamie on March 09, 2008, 03:03:49 pm
Post by: Vesper on March 09, 2008, 03:39:34 pm
man go get fucked in the ass yourself you stupid piece of shit. do you not realize he pretty much just told you part of his life story and you told him to go get fucked in the ass? What the fuck is wrong with you dude?
also I dont know if you realize this, because you grew up speaking it, but english is pretty much the hardest language on earth to master. Granted its pretty difficult for us English speakers to learn a tonal language like Chinese or Yoruba or Navajo or whatever but ffs man, we native English speakers really take for granted how difficult it is for people to learn to speak English. I mean imagine if you were from a rural poor unindustrialized area with little to no schooling and then all of a sudden you were forced to learn a new language by people who refused to speak your language. It'd be pretty fuckin difficult no? I think the thing you fail to understand is that many people's deficiencies at speaking English when they first come to this country is not for lack of trying man. Not for the lack of caring enough, not for any of your stupid racist justification reasons either.
christ
Is english really the hardest language to learn? I've heard that swedish is terribly difficult but then I've heard almost any native speaker saying their language is the hardest so it might just be about language-penis. My language is much harder than yours!
Then again english might've been proven hard, I don't find it that hard though (I bet I made some horrible mistake somewhere in this post that contradicts this statement ;;)
Post by: Rye Bread on March 09, 2008, 03:41:42 pm
:cursing: :words:
Wow this is probably the worst post I've read on GW in a long time.
Post by: ase on March 09, 2008, 05:30:37 pm
no, but seriously. English is one of the most difficult languages to learn, especially because of the large amount of exceptions to grammar rules, the way groups of letters change sound depending on context, a shitload of homonyms (http://www.cooper.com/alan/homonym_list.html) (most adults still fuck up "your" "you're" "their" "they're" "buy" "bye" "by") not to mention really stupid and complex rules about accentuation coupled with the fact that native speakers have their own gay dialects that prevent non-native speakers from learning proper English (a tendancy to slur words together to make one really long word that doesn't make any sense to someone who doesn't know that "whajusay" means "What did you say?")
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 09, 2008, 05:36:49 pm
whats the past tense of burst, swim, hang, lie, lay?
Post by: ase on March 09, 2008, 05:44:13 pm
http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/errors.html
Post by: Vellfire on March 09, 2008, 06:23:05 pm
Because I don't.
Post by: Dark Angel on March 09, 2008, 06:32:42 pm
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 09, 2008, 06:35:34 pm
especially considering how the only continent we can walk to predominantly speaks spanish.
Post by: Ryan on March 09, 2008, 06:40:49 pm
Post by: alucard on March 09, 2008, 06:53:59 pm
9/11 nvr forget
Post by: Dark Angel on March 10, 2008, 03:19:57 am
Post by: ase on March 10, 2008, 03:42:20 am
Ok, was it plain enough that time? Does anyone really think that I deserve to be called "absolutely ignorant, bigoted, making horrendous stereotypes, and being an absolutely revolting and selfish human being." because I think it's the responsibility of the mover to learn the language of the country they move to?Yes because you think you understand the whole fucking world and you refuse to understand anything outside of your own little American-and-proud (notice I didn't say "caucasian" because HEAVEN FORBID i accuse you of acting like a typical comfortable white boy) bubble. It is to an immigrant's benefit to be able to fluently speak the language of the land he emigrated to but it is nowhere as easy as you, for some dumb reason, think it is. I know this first hand but you apparently don't give a shit because ITS JUST ONE EXAMPLE NO ONE ELSE IS LIKE THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS A DIRTY MEXICAN WHO WANTS TO SPEAK MEXICANO WITH HIS BLOOD BROTHAS FUCK ENGLISH.
Learning a new language is much easier when you
1) Are a child/adolescent
2) ATTEND PUBLIC SCHOOL AND COMMUNICATE WITH ENGLISH KIDS FOR 6 HOURS A DAY
3) watch 8 hours of cartoon network every day
Good luck learning one of the more difficult languages of the world when you have a full time job + overtime + no life outside of the home/apartment, and when no one else is supporting you but, on the contrary, making shit harder for you by mocking you everywhere you go.
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 10, 2008, 03:48:58 am
Post by: Dark Angel on March 10, 2008, 03:56:07 am
I said I agree with "This is America, now speak english." Not speak english or GTFO. I did NOT say that and THAT IS WHAT I SCREAM ABOUT EVERY FUCKING TIME. You guys just assume the WORST shit about me.
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 10, 2008, 04:19:33 am
you can't say THIS IS AMERICA NOW SPEAK ENGLISH and expect people to not follow the contrapositive.
if you are in america, speak english
if you do not speak english do not be in america.
prettttty simple there.
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on March 10, 2008, 05:54:06 am
had to have his 4-6 year old kid tell me he wanted pizza and tokens. I'm not saying fuck him! I'm not calling him an idiot or saying fucking go back to his country. I DO think it's silly that he can't speak enough to order food but I don't look down on him for it!
plenty of american women have their 4-6 year old kids go ask for marlboros. he didn't speak the language, or he didn't speak it well enough to ask for pizza and tokens, so he got his more fluent child to do it for him.
what is the problem here? that it's embarrasing to have children speak a language better than you?
isn't it more embarrasing having a mexican who can't speak english wearing a leather coat and gold necklace see you working in a pizza store?
Post by: Dark Angel on March 10, 2008, 07:22:53 am
1. Maybe it'd be embarrasing if I really was the dick you all think I am.
2. I'm a manager :shrug:
uhhhhhh...what.
you can't say THIS IS AMERICA NOW SPEAK ENGLISH and expect people to not follow the contrapositive.
if you are in america, speak english
if you do not speak english do not be in america.
prettttty simple there.
Yes, yes I can. Because I said one, not the other. I say what I mean and I mean what I say.
Post by: Vellfire on March 10, 2008, 11:46:31 am
Speaking English is really, really hard, and it could easily be that he was learning, but didn't have enough English under his belt to order food. I've been taking German for a year now (which is still easier than learning English would be) and I don't know how to ask for pizza. I DEFINITELY don't know how to ask for tokens. Pizza is something that you may or may not learn in a language class because they tend to stick to things like "SOUP, SALAD, GLASS OF WATER" and those types of things. It's impossible for a class to teach you every single type of food, and it's even harder to learn them if you're learning the language on your own. Tokens are something that you have to ask for so rarely (unless they are bus tokens or something but most places use cards now so...) that there is no chance of that being taught in a class. The amount of money someone has has nothing to do with their capacity to learn also!
All that aside, it sounds like you're at a kid-themed, Mr. Gatti's or Chuck E. Cheese type place if pizza and tokens are involved. A lot of parents have their kids order things because they're teaching them how to order things. I was so shy as a child that my mom finally had to make me start ordering for myself or else I would have never learned how to do that kind of shit for myself. The kid is also growing up in an English speaking environment and learns that stuff like crazy. Little kids just soak all that up no problem. The dad's job wasn't to PROVE A POINT TO AMERICA that day, his job was to get him and his kid some tokens and pizza and enjoy themselves, and there was no reason to fuck that up by spending an hour trying to talk to you in broken English instead of just having his son do it, which is teaching his son to talk to people anyway, and get his point across quickly without getting in other customers' way and hassling you. Yeah, there was a good chance he was doing this partly for your sake man.
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 10, 2008, 12:47:29 pm
LEGAL TIME but a contrapositive is the only logical statement as true as the original.
if you want the right to stay in america than you do speak english. "you want the right to stay in america" is p. "you do speak english" is q. ergo, if p, then q, to boil it down.
now, the contrapositive is TRUE no matter what, assuming the premise is true. if p then q allows for if !q then !p. if billy eats cheese he dies. if billy does not die then he did not eat cheese.
ooorrrrr if you do not speak english, you do not want the right to stay in america.
it was your statement, no one made any logical missteps in saying you meant the above!
Post by: Keith Stones on March 10, 2008, 01:41:46 pm
I said I agree with "This is America, now speak english." Not speak english or GTFO. I did NOT say that and THAT IS WHAT I SCREAM ABOUT EVERY FUCKING TIME. You guys just assume the WORST shit about me.
what?
This is America, now speak English. = what you said
SPEAK ENGLISH OR GTFO = what you didn't say
Spoilers (Click to reveal)
they mean the same thing
Post by: Dark Angel on March 10, 2008, 02:21:32 pm
Man dude the problem is that you are still only talking about this ONE EXAMPLE, which is not conclusive evidence!
What is wrong with that? I didn't and don't care to write everytime I have seen or had this happen to me. It isn't like it was the one and oly time. As for the rest of what you said, that is all fine with me.
STEREO, The reason I said "haha yes I can yes I can" is because one, and most important, I DID explain what I meant in the original post. I said it's their responsibility and that's about it. Two, I have had this conversation plenty of time with friends, family, and more importantly, co-workers (even some hispanics!) and I have never been accused of even beening a big poo-poo head. The way I say it may change from conversation to conversation but my belief stays the same and whaddya know, it's only the people here at GW that freak out and accuse me of being a horrile person.
EDIT-And it's not like this was built up in the thread, I said the one post and immediately it was ARG GRAB THE PITCH FORKS AND TORCHS WE'RE LYNCHING THIS FUCKER. The least anyone could of done was "Hey that sounds pretty fucked up just what the fuck do you mean?"
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 10, 2008, 02:45:30 pm
christ, inbred hicks only associate with inbred hicks, that doesn't mean they are right!
you can keep saying "I only meant it's their responsibility" and that doesn't mean anything. of course it is. and guess what, they are learning English. that doesn't mean that companies and communication can't embrace bilingualism as well. it's helpful to everyone if they have the option to press 1 for English or 2 for Spanish and unless you're claiming all you wanted to do was state a fact we all knew and you have no opinion at all about people who speak Spanish more and better than English (the examples you've brought up indicate that this is not the case), then I don't quite follow why you have a persecution complex.
Post by: Lars on March 10, 2008, 03:51:18 pm
i heard it was pretty big!!
edit: spanish is a much prettier language than english my suggestion is everyone learn spanish instead :)
Post by: Evangel on March 10, 2008, 04:46:14 pm
no dude, that's not how it works.
LEGAL TIME but a contrapositive is the only logical statement as true as the original.
if you want the right to stay in america than you do speak english. "you want the right to stay in america" is p. "you do speak english" is q. ergo, if p, then q, to boil it down.
now, the contrapositive is TRUE no matter what, assuming the premise is true. if p then q allows for if !q then !p. if billy eats cheese he dies. if billy does not die then he did not eat cheese.
ooorrrrr if you do not speak english, you do not want the right to stay in america.
it was your statement, no one made any logical missteps in saying you meant the above!
this is pretty ridiculous. the dude has a different opinion, get over it. sure, it's not as understanding as yours or mine, but he surely doesn't have to provide conclusive evidence or some bullshit to validate it. that's why it's an opinion. He would prefer that foreigners who reside here would learn some english, but would not force one to leave, which he has clearly restated.
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I said I agree with "This is America, now speak english." Not speak english or GTFO.
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I DO agree with the "Welcome to America, now speak english".
You can argue reasonably about why you disagree with an opinion (which i have seen very little of in this topic), but you can't try to tell them what their opinion is just to make it seem worse.
What am I talking about, this thread has gone to shit anyways. What happened to 9/11??
Post by: Paragon on March 10, 2008, 05:37:27 pm
this is pretty ridiculous. the dude has a different opinion, get over it. sure, it's not as understanding as yours or mine, but he surely doesn't have to provide conclusive evidence or some bullshit to validate it. that's why it's an opinion. He would prefer that foreigners who reside here would learn some english, but would not force one to leave, which he has clearly restated.Sorry man, DarkAngel showed up, everyone had to throw into ATTACK MODE
You can argue reasonably about why you disagree with an opinion (which i have seen very little of in this topic), but you can't try to tell them what their opinion is just to make it seem worse.
What am I talking about, this thread has gone to shit anyways. What happened to 9/11??
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on March 10, 2008, 07:06:55 pm
edit: spanish is a much prettier language than english my suggestion is everyone learn spanish instead :)
this is true but spanglish is disgusting
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 10, 2008, 07:56:25 pm
this is pretty ridiculous. the dude has a different opinion, get over it. sure, it's not as understanding as yours or mine, but he surely doesn't have to provide conclusive evidence or some bullshit to validate it. that's why it's an opinion. He would prefer that foreigners who reside here would learn some english, but would not force one to leave, which he has clearly restated.
You can argue reasonably about why you disagree with an opinion (which i have seen very little of in this topic), but you can't try to tell them what their opinion is just to make it seem worse.
What am I talking about, this thread has gone to shit anyways. What happened to 9/11??
except he's never backed down from his original statement. "This is America, now speak english"
okay, is it a stretch to say if you want to be/are in America, then you have an obligation to speak english is a CORRECT rephrasing of the statement?
and then the contrapositive of if you feel like you don't have an obligation to speak english, then you do not want to be/are not in America.
which is what everyone is taking issue with. you can think that's some grave misinterpretation, but when coupled with his later example of someone asking their children order food for them, it's pretty clear that despite what he's trying to backpedal now, his original claim was that YOU'RE IN AMERICA; NOW SPEAK ENGLISH was in agreeance with the contrapositive, meaning (essentially) that if you aren't speaking english, get out of America. that's what he said. he can BACKPEDAL now and say OH I NEVER MEANT IT I JUST MEANT THEY HAVE AN OBLIGATION but that doesn't change the fact that the initial reaction is to his first statement, which guess what is a fair leap for anyone to make, especially considering his later examples.
that and the idea of an OBLIGATION to forcibly learn a language is kind of hilarious and bigoted in itself. what are you going to do, NOT serve them fries? if someone doesn't want to learn a language, it's not the best decision but it's their call. ASE's mom doesn't know English, does that mean she's failing her obligations as an immigrant somehow?
and and and also the original bumper sticker is not about some bullshit obligation, it's catered to the right wing, which has been for forcibly deporting illegal immigrants for some time now.
http://www.bumperart.com/ProductDetails.aspx?SKU=2004022501&ProductID=1934
this is not a coincidence.
also opinions without any basis are completely worthless and should be derided. hell, there are opinions WITH factual basis (eugenics) that should be derided. you have every right to criticize someone's opinion, how they phrase it, and what they are really saying. you can bury an opinion with words and backpedaling but other people are not dense to fall for it.
Post by: Evangel on March 10, 2008, 09:32:20 pm
except he's never backed down from his original statement. "This is America, now speak english"
okay, is it a stretch to say if you want to be/are in America, then you have an obligation to speak english is a CORRECT rephrasing of the statement?
and then the contrapositive of if you feel like you don't have an obligation to speak english, then you do not want to be/are not in America.
which is what everyone is taking issue with. you can think that's some grave misinterpretation, but when coupled with his later example of someone asking their children order food for them, it's pretty clear that despite what he's trying to backpedal now, his original claim was that YOU'RE IN AMERICA; NOW SPEAK ENGLISH was in agreeance with the contrapositive, meaning (essentially) that if you aren't speaking english, get out of America. that's what he said. he can BACKPEDAL now and say OH I NEVER MEANT IT I JUST MEANT THEY HAVE AN OBLIGATION but that doesn't change the fact that the initial reaction is to his first statement, which guess what is a fair leap for anyone to make, especially considering his later examples.
that and the idea of an OBLIGATION to forcibly learn a language is kind of hilarious and bigoted in itself. what are you going to do, NOT serve them fries? if someone doesn't want to learn a language, it's not the best decision but it's their call. ASE's mom doesn't know English, does that mean she's failing her obligations as an immigrant somehow?
and and and also the original bumper sticker is not about some bullshit obligation, it's catered to the right wing, which has been for forcibly deporting illegal immigrants for some time now.
http://www.bumperart.com/ProductDetails.aspx?SKU=2004022501&ProductID=1934
this is not a coincidence.
also opinions without any basis are completely worthless and should be derided. hell, there are opinions WITH factual basis (eugenics) that should be derided. you have every right to criticize someone's opinion, how they phrase it, and what they are really saying. you can bury an opinion with words and backpedaling but other people are not dense to fall for it.
sounds like a matter of semantics to me, which is a waste of time when the person has already clarified themselves. if you want to get all technical like that, isn't he just telling the person to speak english? what the immigrant decides to do after that is up to them.
the idea that an immigrant should learn their new nation's language isn't that wild and hateful of an idea anyways. i could probably go to many parts of the world that don't understand it and get the meanest looks when i say something incomprehendable.
however, living in the south, i'm always glad to hear something other than a southern drawl (even though most here share darkangel's opinion). working at subway, i learned pretty much the spanish equivalent to every meat and vegetable.
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 10, 2008, 10:14:26 pm
sounds like a matter of semantics to me, which is a waste of time when the person has already clarified themselves. if you want to get all technical like that, isn't he just telling the person to speak english? what the immigrant decides to do after that is up to them.
the idea that an immigrant should learn their new nation's language isn't that wild and hateful of an idea anyways. i could probably go to many parts of the world that don't understand it and get the meanest looks when i say something incomprehendable.
however, living in the south, i'm always glad to hear something other than a southern drawl (even though most here share darkangel's opinion). working at subway, i learned pretty much the spanish equivalent to every meat and vegetable.
okay my question is why do you have to tell anyone to speak English?
I do not see why you think this was just some reasonable statement of logic instead of, quite literally, a bumper sticker expressing hatred of immigrants.
so it's either you take the logical approach and its xenophobic or you take it in context and regardless of backpedaling he totally agreed with a pretty stupid statement. neither is that great.
also you won't really find that idea outside the US. there are a few countries with immigration problems but very few seem to have this issue with language. there's a good article from the New Yorker I've posted before here that illustrates this well: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/12/17/071217fa_fact_lizza?printable=true
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Dean Allen, a plump and friendly fellow sporting an American-flag tie, told me that he runs something called Spirit of Liberty; he’s also helping Witherspoon’s campaign. “Some of these people may be coming in here to get jobs washing dishes, but some of them are coming in here to hijack airplanes,” he explained. “If you’re down there trying to look at the people coming across the border, maybe a lot of them are just motivated by economics, and they want a job washing dishes or cutting grass. But I can’t tell Jose Cuervo from the Al Qaeda operatives by looking at them, because they cut their beard off. It’s like trying to get fly manure out of pepper without your glasses on, you know? I mean, not a racist thing, but they’re all brown with black hair and they don’t speak English and I don’t speak Arabic or Spanish, so if they don’t belong here and they don’t come here legally, I want to know who’s here.” He echoed McCain’s observation that the anti-immigrant feeling is strongest in states with new Hispanic populations. “The illegal Hispanic population, it’s definitely growing,” he said. “I can tell you just from how many you see when you walk in Wal-Mart, and you drive down the street and you see buildings now with writing in Spanish that says ‘tienda,’ which is Mexican for ‘store.’ You didn’t see that even a year or two ago.”
try finding that in France :(
Post by: Kaworu on March 10, 2008, 11:30:46 pm
also you won't really find that idea outside the US. there are a few countries with immigration problems but very few seem to have this issue with language. there's a good article from the New Yorker I've posted before here that illustrates this well: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/12/17/071217fa_fact_lizza?printable=trueWe totally get that attitude over here and it is horrendous. Immigrants comming in are like really, really helping our country but brits are too proud to accept that and it's disgusting. So they're all like "Fuck off speak polish in england why not fuck off back to poland!" and they're not seeing how it's racist... and unfortunately it's a view promoted in the tabloids which most of england seems to read.
try finding that in France :(
I've given up trying to speak with my parents about politics, because it comes down to "filthy poles stealing english jobs!" or "they can't be bothered to speak english, it's disgusting, they should be sent back home"
And I swear I'm gunna choke the next person I hear who says "Who won the bloody war anyway?" when talking about europe :(
Post by: goldenratio on March 11, 2008, 12:12:44 am
i really wish i had taken spanish in high school (french?? what was i thinking) because i'd like to be able to speak with people who don't speak english. There was this pretty hot girl that worked at mcdonalds who had a huge crush on me but i couldnt imagine going out with her when neither of us speak the others' language. i wonder what its like to have sex with someone who doesn't speak your language?
anyways yeah i think most americans look at it backwards. we have no entitlement to this country and if it just so happens that masses of [SOME ][/SOME] move to the US then we should embrace them and attempt to "merge" our cultures or at the very least accept them, rather than try to fight them off as if this is our country and ONLY our country. What's interesting though is that most americans say "if i moved to another country id learn their language" but thats mostly because
a) they will never ever move to another country and they know this their entire lives
b) if you ever did move to another country you would eventually learn the native language (except in cases like ASEs mom where she never leaves the house or whatever) just from being around people that speak it. this is a MUCH slower process than actually studying a language, but I would imagine most americans would do this unless whatever they were doing in said country required them to learn the language faster.
edit : also a large portion of immigrants work where? drug dealers, factories and crap, and construction. all of these will have a bunch of OTHER people of their ethnicity working there so they are never just shit out of luck. Something like ASEs mom which WC seemed to indicate that she worked in a factory or something? but she's polish and there arent exactly an influx of polish immigrants like there are mexicans. I dont think anyone here is talking about those kinds of immigrants, because it'd be pretty ridiculous for the relatively tiny polish, korean, etc groups to demand all our signs and automated telephony systems offer their languages as well. For some reasons americans have this false sense of entitlement, but really the united states' "official" language(s) are "english and spanish" now PERIOD.
edit2: you know the more i think about it if you look on smaller localized regions, you have large concentrations of ethnicities. im probably wrong but it seems like the florida area (florida is a worthless state if you ask me. i have no desire to go there i just imagine it being hot and everyone's wearing tanktops and rollerblades and it smells of wicker, sweat and sunscreen) has lots of cajuns/haitians (french speakers) and maybe the northern area has area of high canadian populations (uh french too i guess but most canadians speak english i bet). because really its not like mexicans are INVADING THE US ARGH they are really only localized the southwestern states anyways. I don't know what to think anymore can someone straighten this out for me?
Post by: Evangel on March 11, 2008, 12:43:52 am
edit2: you know the more i think about it if you look on smaller localized regions, you have large concentrations of ethnicities. im probably wrong but it seems like the florida area (florida is a worthless state if you ask me. i have no desire to go there i just imagine it being hot and everyone's wearing tanktops and rollerblades and it smells of wicker, sweat and sunscreen) has lots of cajuns/haitians (french speakers) and maybe the northern area has area of high canadian populations (uh french too i guess but most canadians speak english i bet). because really its not like mexicans are INVADING THE US ARGH they are really only localized the southwestern states anyways. I don't know what to think anymore can someone straighten this out for me?
your idea of florida offends me :sad: i've actually been freezing my ass off for the past few weeks. I never see French people here, and especially don't hear the language spoken.
Ever since Hurricane Ivan, Dennis, and Katrina, however, our Hispanic population has skyrocketed. It's definitely not just a southwestern thing. You'll be hard-pressed to find a construction crew without a Hispanic dude, some crews consisting of nothing but Hispanics. A lot of them are obviously fresh from beyond the border, as they don't know a word of English. Some of them have wacky haircuts haha.
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 11, 2008, 12:46:30 am
pretty sure she's normal guys I was just fucking around and I guess he didn't reply yet!
Post by: holloway on March 11, 2008, 12:53:59 am
Post by: ase on March 11, 2008, 01:30:06 am
edit : also a large portion of immigrants work where? drug dealers, factories and crap, and construction. all of these will have a bunch of OTHER people of their ethnicity working there so they are never just shit out of luck. Something like ASEs mom which WC seemed to indicate that she worked in a factory or something? but she's polish and there arent exactly an influx of polish immigrants like there are mexicans. I dont think anyone here is talking about those kinds of immigrants, because it'd be pretty ridiculous for the relatively tiny polish, korean, etc groups to demand all our signs and automated telephony systems offer their languages as well. For some reasons americans have this false sense of entitlement, but really the united states' "official" language(s) are "english and spanish" now PERIOD.first of all steel is gay because he made it sound like my mom is a slave at our house (which isn't true at all (only on sundays))
But yeah, she doesn't "go out" very often in the sense that she will go somewhere with english-speaking people. A lot of people at her job (yeah its a factory) are foreigners too, so when she talks to them she is getting a second-rate lingusitic education by learning broken english and wrong grammar! And, as is probably the case with other immigrants, those who DO speak English have gotten a huge whiff of that AMERICAN PRIDE smell and treat her like shit (ex. they take the easy badges and give her the hard ones so when she is doing piecework, they end up getting paid more for doing more pieces/hour OR they will just ignore her when she has questions or even just WANTS TO TALK)
You're right. We can't expect America to conform to 20 different emigrating nationalities, but when you have 40 million people speaking the same language (Spanish) it makes sense to work with them! As I said, it is beneficial for immigrants to learn the official language and so TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY most immigrants do! Very few immigrants are going to say "Screw English. All of my friends speak Spanish so I will get along just fine for the next 30 years" because there will be hundreds of instances every day where communicating in English will benefit you in one way or another.
Post by: Dark Angel on March 11, 2008, 02:12:57 am
are...are you saying because people you associate with agree with you, you can't be a bad person?
christ, inbred hicks only associate with inbred hicks, that doesn't mean they are right!
you can keep saying "I only meant it's their responsibility" and that doesn't mean anything. of course it is. and guess what, they are learning English. that doesn't mean that companies and communication can't embrace bilingualism as well. it's helpful to everyone if they have the option to press 1 for English or 2 for Spanish and unless you're claiming all you wanted to do was state a fact we all knew and you have no opinion at all about people who speak Spanish more and better than English (the examples you've brought up indicate that this is not the case), then I don't quite follow why you have a persecution complex.
Ok, this is EXACTLY what I mean. I said THIS-I have never been accused of even beening a big poo-poo head.
I DID NOT say that they all agreed with me. Some don't/didn't but my point is they don't accuse me of being a horrible person. They might think my opinion is fucked up AT FIRST, because I may not explain it well AT FIRST, but once I clarify what I mean (like I did in my FIRST POST) they at least respect my opinion.
And persecution complex? Dude, EVERY topic I post in that isn't about movies or games someone comes in and attacks me and my opinion. I'm sure YOU are responsible for at least 25% of them too! I mean fuck, someone called me stupid because cell phones cost money and I got the warn for telling them to fuck off!
And how can you say I am BACKPEDALING when I clarifed EXACTLY what I meant in my FIRST post. I provided that ONE example ONLY BECAUSE ASE portrayed all foriegn speaking people as dirt poor workers. I was saying "No, I have witnessed wealthy foriegn speaking people this is what I saw".
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also you won't really find that idea outside the US.
And that is just incorrect. I know people who are mexican but because they were born in America were treated like shit when they went to visit their grandparents in Mexico.
Post by: Vellfire on March 11, 2008, 02:18:33 am
And how can you say I am BACKPEDALING when I clarifed EXACTLY what I meant in my FIRST post. I provided that ONE example ONLY BECAUSE ASE portrayed all foriegn speaking people as dirt poor workers. I was saying "No, I have witnessed wealthy foriegn speaking people this is what I saw".
what the fuck dude that whole story was just "UGH THIS DUDE MADE HIS KID SPEAK ENGLISH FOR HIM, ALSO HE WAS RICH"
the point of that story wasn't to point out that they were wealthy, the point was to show that UGH WHY CAN'T HE LEARN ENGLISH HIMSELF
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 11, 2008, 02:23:54 am
Post by: Dark Angel on March 11, 2008, 02:42:18 am
Post by: Lars on March 11, 2008, 03:56:23 am
Post by: fatty on March 13, 2008, 11:54:17 am
You know guys, to be fair, I amhaiku[/s]
pretty sure he is talking about
MOVING to another country, not just visiting it.
plenty of american women have their 4-6 year old kids go ask for marlboros. he didn't speak the language, or he didn't speak it well enough to ask for pizza and tokens, so he got his more fluent child to do it for him.i am embarrased because there are hundreds of millions of kids that speak chinese better than i do
what is the problem here? that it's embarrasing to have children speak a language better than you?
isn't it more embarrasing having a mexican who can't speak english wearing a leather coat and gold necklace see you working in a pizza store?
Right so this is just basically you guys calling me a liar. Well whatever. I'm not lying.what no, NO, NONONONONONONONONONO you are definetely not a liar(you are just a xenophobe(I am cool now(i use slack grammatical style)))