Metal Gear Solid for the Playstation was an AMAZING game, and I personally think it's the best 3D platformer game that has been made so far. I consider it to have been a huge contributor to the idea of interactive fiction, maybe the most significant one in the history of modern gaming. Its only real shortcomings were the low difficulty and duration of the game, although this also made it a very rentable game to a wide audience (the average non-serious gamer would not, for example, be able to get very excited about renting a game like Final Fantasy VIII).
By the way, you don't need to have played the original two Metal Gear games to be able to vote here. They're relatively obscure because they aren't really very good.
I'm pretty sure you're joking and like took someone's comments on Super Mario 64 and just inserted MGS and that's pretty hillarious if you are.Sorry to burst your bubble, but I wasn't joking. Metal Gear Solid really was innovative in the area of interactive fiction. I can't even think of what comes closest if you're looking at games released in 1998 and before. Can you mention even a single game?
Metal gear Solid 2 was made to be a deliberately bad game to laugh at the fanboys, most notably the Solid Snake fanboys. It's ridiculous in every aspect and so over the top it makes Star Wars seem like a WW2 documentary. I shouldn't really be suprised that people still cannot grasp that and take it as a serious game... but people do, and I am suprised. I mean... vampires... rollerskating fat guys... a hillariously over the top plot and so much self-awareness... How the fuck can anybody take it seriously?
That being said the original MGS made some pretty solid criticisms about the stupidity of videogames (and most importantly the stupidity of gamers), and the fact that even after so long people aren't getting what it was made to do is somewhat hysterical. The original MGS has to get my vote. It's a great parody of both the spy genre and action movies, and rips gaming culture to shreds. One of the few comedy games that knew how to be comedy.
They're relatively obscure because they aren't really very good.
They were VERY good for their day.
They were only on the MSX and never saw a release outside of Japan. That's why they're so obscure.
Also is MG2 really that great or do people just have a big half-chub about it because it's this epic unplayed retro game
They were only on the MSX and never saw a release outside of Japan. That's why they're so obscure.Okay, well, to be honest, I kind of jumped to a conclusion there. I didn't really know how they were rated, but I just assumed they weren't very received extraordinarily well. (Maybe because I'm a big fan of NES games but simply could not get into those two.)
wrong
1 was released here, 2 was japan only until recently.
just wanting something to be true doesn't make it so! there is no evidence for any of this.Except countless magazine interviews with Kojima and other members of the staff.
Except countless magazine interviews with Kojima and other members of the staff.
sources? i've never heard ANYTHING about MGS2 or 1 being a parody. it is a serious game man!
If you only played the NES versions then yeah, you're right, they're shit. The NES Metal Gear is badly edited and almost nothing like the original version and the unofficial NES sequel is even worse. If you're a big fan of MGS then you should at least give Metal Gear 2 for the MSX a chance.I never played an MSX game in my life. Maybe I should give them a try!
sources? i've never heard ANYTHING about MGS2 or 1 being a parody. it is a serious game man!Edge magazine. They do an article/interview on the metal gear series like every few months. next-gen (http://www.next-gen.biz/) also go on about MGS regularly (I think the last BIG ONE was in early jan/December)
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You love Neon Genesis Evangelion and are talking to us about ridiculous?
huh im confused
no one is debating that mgs isn't ridiculous. i just think it's just that... ridiculous. kojima is known for taking extreme measures in making his games and is a pretty crazy dude.
I realize that it would seemingly be better to compage Tarantino's movies but he doesn't seem like he could make a good moviethat /isn't/ that way and Kojima seems like he could
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/obsessed
but dude, Kaworu is obsessed with: Dr Who, Transformers and Neon Genesis Evangelion. My point is he is in no place to give anyone an in-depth lecture about something being ridiculous!
nothing personal kaworu but yeah..
Metal Gear Solid 2 is obviously more than just a simple game that's "kinda funny" at times. The way it breaks itself down to the point of ridicule cannot be attributed than anything else than purpose. It was meant to be so terrible. Just like, say, Earthbound.
But Metal Gear Solid, I'm not sure about. The thing is, that game too is quite ridiculous at times (I hope I don't need to explain why) but that can mostly be attributed to the fact it's Japanese and the Japanese like silly things a lot. It's not exactly beyond the margin of credibility as much as any average anime, whereas Metal Gear Solid 2 is.
Metal Gear Solid 2 is obviously more than just a simple game that's "kinda funny" at times. The way it breaks itself down to the point of ridicule cannot be attributed than anything else than purpose. It was meant to be so terrible. Just like, say, Earthbound.
But Metal Gear Solid, I'm not sure about. The thing is, that game too is quite ridiculous at times (I hope I don't need to explain why) but that can mostly be attributed to the fact it's Japanese and the Japanese like silly things a lot. It's not exactly beyond the margin of credibility as much as any average anime, whereas Metal Gear Solid 2 is.
i still don't see how MGS2 is some EPIC PARODY. this is HIDEO KOJIMA, the man who visits warzones and shit. i bet if you asked him he would find it completely serious!dude
yes, it is extremely ridiculous at times (fatman?), but no more than tons of other games.
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i can think of ONE OTHER GAME that is as overtly ridiculous to the point that it cannot possibly be a serious attempt at a game, and that is xenogears (and maybe the xenosaga games but i have a sinking feeling that those are 100% sincere). it's been years since i played mgs2, but honestly, while i understand your point of IS HIDEO KOJIMA REALLY CAPABLE OF THIS LEVEL OF SATIRE??? especially when you take a look at the body of his work as a whole, it's just... it's too absurd for me to believe that it's serious. i know it would be inconsistent with what we know about him and his other games, but it's just so much more ludicrous than anything else he's made, that i seriously have trouble believing it's not some kind of giant weird joke. maybe his whole visiting battlefields to........... get a feel....... for war thing was just another joke. maybe he is secretly some kind of comedy mastermind who gets a kick out of acting like a ridiculous game designer.
do you like my analogy :(No.
i still don't see how MGS2 is some EPIC PARODY. this is HIDEO KOJIMA, the man who visits warzones and shit. i bet if you asked him he would find it completely serious!The very fact that he doesn't admit to it being a joke it part of it. Why would he? Does the average artist explain why he made the statue blue or does he leave that to the public to find out?
yes, it is extremely ridiculous at times (fatman?), but no more than tons of other games.
Also I think it's important to point out (nobody else has) that the first 1/3 of the game on the tanker is actually not that strange at all and is fairly firmly grounded in reality. Incidentally it was also my favorite part.The tanker isn't a third of the game. It's more like... I dunno, 1/20th. It takes like ten minutes to finish.
The entire game is "firmly grounded in reality", as everything that happens actually does happen. The Patriots do exist, Ocelot really is possessed by Liquid, Vamp really does exist, etc etc etc etc.are you seriously going to split hairs over this?
Just because it isn't your version of what is possible doesn't mean it didn't happen in the game. The game takes place in a different universe where giant fucking robots with nuclear weapons exist, ok.
It's safe to assume that technology is crazy, and I'm sure they'll explain Vamp more thoroughly, just like they did Fortune.
are you seriously going to split hairs over this?
up until this point in the series, most of the events in all the games (excepting shit like psycho mantis) were firmly rooted in OUR reality. the only exceptions were the psychic guy and some minor technological things that are probably at least semi-feasible in a conceptual sense. it can very easily be seen that the game's supposed to take place in the same basic reality as our own, and the change isn't that it deviates from our perception of what reality is (that's deep btw), it's that it deviates from its own definition of what reality was up until that point. and uh... it's a pretty big change.
like the ability to walk on water and survive gun shots to the head and possess people through surgical arm implants?
The entire game is "firmly grounded in reality", as everything that happens actually does happen. The Patriots do exist, Ocelot really is possessed by Liquid, Vamp really does exist, etc etc etc etc.No, you're wrong, and there's nothing you can say, so there.
Just because it isn't your version of what is possible doesn't mean it didn't happen in the game. The game takes place in a different universe where giant fucking robots with nuclear weapons exist, ok.
It's safe to assume that technology is crazy, and I'm sure they'll explain Vamp more thoroughly, just like they did Fortune.
like the ability to walk on water and survive gun shots to the head and possess people through surgical arm implants?
I'm noticed that Americans (not all, but a lot) are usually surprisingly intolerant to differing styles of art and presentation, and usually dismiss those that they aren't used to as "crazy" or "ridiculous".
In the end though, I'm sure most of this can be contributed to the perception that Japanese are wild and crazy kids to most Americans.
What's so weird about Vamp? He was/is a Vampire.
The End could do photosynthesis, The Sorrow could speak with the dead, Psycho Mantis could do telepathy and telekinesis, Fortune had Lady LuckHidden content (Click to reveal), there was that ventriloquist murderer in MGAC!D, etc etc.(though this is questionable since she really just had that machine to reflect bullets and crap... even though it still worked after the machine was shut down.)
Metal Gear isn't 'weird', it just isn't realistic. There's a fantasy edge to this series that keeps it perfectly balanced between serious and silly. That's why I love it.
Vamp is bisexual he's like David Bowie and every chick in a porno movie
His moniker has dual meanings, being a short form of the English word vampire as well as refering to his bisexual orientation.
That was the second reason for his name, I believe.
like the ability to walk on water and survive gun shots to the head and possess people through surgical arm implants?
Metal Gear Solid 2 is obviously more than just a simple game that's "kinda funny" at times. The way it breaks itself down to the point of ridicule cannot be attributed than anything else than purpose. It was meant to be so terrible. Just like, say, Earthbound.
But Metal Gear Solid, I'm not sure about. The thing is, that game too is quite ridiculous at times (I hope I don't need to explain why) but that can mostly be attributed to the fact it's Japanese and the Japanese like silly things a lot. It's not exactly beyond the margin of credibility as much as any average anime, whereas Metal Gear Solid 2 is.
I have gone my entire life without playing a single Metal Gear title.
I normally wouldn't post in a topic like this in that situation, but it feels like such a feat is worth some kind of merit.
I don't play MGS like you should (i.e, stealth) so I really enjoyed the combat options and general setting of the game.
mgs2 was solid, less repetitive than mgs1 thats for sure...but mgs1 was still superior and twin snakes further proved this. I haven't played 3, but i hear good things :)I actually think that Twin Snakes just added all the stuff I hated about Metal Gear Solid 2. Including the soundtrack.
why is no one talking about the infamous dick grab in mgs2 (by the president no less)
this pretty much seals the deal