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Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: tomohawkjoe on March 14, 2008, 05:50:48 am
http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/35090

the whole thing sounds a bit odd to me contrary to expectation if it is true than this is seriously terrible.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: IceSage on March 14, 2008, 05:54:35 am
Unforunately this isn't the first time someone has been attacked by the way this wish to dress and their lifestyle. And it won't stop until people grow up.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Marcus on March 14, 2008, 06:06:22 am
here in america those two would be thought of as "cool" and the teenagers would probably proceed to stomp on the nearest homeless guy, a homosexual, or anyone wearing a christian cross around their neck.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: IceSage on March 14, 2008, 06:09:42 am
Quote from: angry black man on March 14, 2008, 06:06:22 am
here in america those two would be thought of as "cool" and the teenagers would probably proceed to stomp on the nearest homeless guy, a homosexual, or anyone wearing a christian cross around their neck.

But, how can someone with a cross around their neck be beat up? I thought crosses were like, magical holy shields from Jesus?
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on March 14, 2008, 06:10:17 am
Actually goth is the new geek so no...
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: IceSage on March 14, 2008, 06:19:50 am
Quote from: KBJGXLM on March 14, 2008, 06:10:17 am
Actually goth is the new geek so no...

But being geeky is apparently cool these days. (Although some people don't realize it.)

All these people text messaging and using computers and stuff... Back in the day, only geeks would've utilized such technology and would've been the only ones highly fascinated with it.

Now you see all these commercials for these popular chicks IMing their bff jills...
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on March 14, 2008, 06:29:53 am
You exclude people of colour.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: bonermobile on March 14, 2008, 07:07:03 am
what are you talking about? emo is by far the most "popular" social stereotype
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Marcus on March 14, 2008, 07:20:16 am
Quote from: KBJGXLM on March 14, 2008, 06:29:53 am
You exclude people of colour.

being a minority went out of fashion at the turn of the century and now emo and alternative is going out of style too.  the biggest fad right now is being a self proclaimed atheist  liberal that viciously satirizes and attacks anyone who thinks differently yet is too dumb to realize the irony in their actions. 
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Bondo on March 14, 2008, 10:19:53 am
Curiously, I witnessed a young gothic "emo?" female at the mall one day, much as one normally would.  What separated this particular sighting was the fact that she was sitting right next to a little blue-haired old lady.  The old woman was knitting, and the young woman was looking sullen and depressed, as per usual.

I wish I was carrying a camera.  It would be like those photos of the kittens sleeping on the large dog.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: tuxedo marx on March 14, 2008, 12:06:05 pm
Quote from: angry black man on March 14, 2008, 06:06:22 am
here in america those two would be thought of as "cool" and the teenagers would probably proceed to stomp on the nearest homeless guy, a homosexual, or anyone wearing a christian cross around their neck.
I'm a bit fucked then, I wear three.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Kaworu on March 14, 2008, 12:14:25 pm
Duedeydudeydudey the whole retarded athiest=thebest crap only really happens online and in school. And seriously they are still vastly outnumbered. Don't turn this into a "christians are the new victims".

It's appauling how people are attacked over their apperance let alone killed. Unfortunately people are stupid, so it'll keep happening.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Xeno|Soft on March 14, 2008, 12:20:40 pm
Quote from: Boblet on March 14, 2008, 07:07:03 am
what are you talking about? emo is by far the most "popular" social stereotype
"popular kids/cool kids" who hook up and/or play sport will always be the most "popular" stereotype...ALWAYS. emo is a distant second at best.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: `~congresman Ron paul~~ on March 14, 2008, 12:45:58 pm
Quote from: angry black man on March 14, 2008, 06:06:22 am
here in america those two would be thought of as "cool" and the teenagers would probably proceed to stomp on the nearest homeless guy, a homosexual, or anyone wearing a christian cross around their neck.

I fucking challenge you to show even a modicum of similarity between violence directed at homeless and gays and at christians.

Also I go to a college where the big thing is being counterculture (hipsters yay!!!).
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Vellfire on March 14, 2008, 12:49:33 pm
You are kidding if you think wearing a Christian cross makes you a target.


Unless you count some teen whining online about it being a target.

ESPECIALLY when comparing them to homosexuals and homeless, when homosexuals are being constantly beat up by the people wearing the Christian crosses where I live (we don't have many homeless, or rather not many that are out on the streets available to be beaten up...I'm sure we DO have plenty of homeless somewhere)
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: jamie on March 14, 2008, 12:54:49 pm
anyone who is talking about this attack being religiously motivated is being ridiculous. it sounds like a pack of neds jumped a goth and killed her. this was a murder over high school bullshit.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Vellfire on March 14, 2008, 01:28:10 pm
Quote from: real_jamicus on March 14, 2008, 12:54:49 pm
anyone who is talking about this attack being religiously motivated is being ridiculous. it sounds like a pack of neds jumped a goth and killed her. this was a murder over high school bullshit.

No one was saying this about this attack.  People were saying that in America, a goth (or other people even) would probably attack someone with a cross necklace.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: jamie on March 14, 2008, 01:35:15 pm
my bad
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: CorporateGreed on March 14, 2008, 02:19:54 pm

From what I understand about how you people talk about this, Goth culture is really
weird in America. Either that, or you're just being stereotypical.

This is gay, but hey, it happens all over the globe. exxeptanzz iz 4 l0z0rzzz.

Freakz.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Carrion Crow on March 14, 2008, 03:41:15 pm
I live in Lancashire/Merseyside and I have to say, if you don't have a skinhead around here then you're highly susceptible to attack from the 90% population of violent shaven-head pricks wearing tracksuits, wondering the town drunk as skunks late as night with the only intention of getting into a fight.

I am so glad I went to uni down South.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: CAHRULL on March 14, 2008, 06:14:32 pm
Quote from: angry black man on March 14, 2008, 07:20:16 am
being a minority went out of fashion at the turn of the century and now emo and alternative is going out of style too.  the biggest fad right now is being a self proclaimed atheist  liberal that viciously satirizes and attacks anyone who thinks differently yet is too dumb to realize the irony in their actions. 

So.... college students? :P
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Kaworu on March 14, 2008, 06:20:46 pm
Quote from: crumply on March 14, 2008, 03:41:15 pm
I live in Lancashire/Merseyside and I have to say, if you don't have a skinhead around here then you're highly susceptible to attack from the 90% population of violent shaven-head pricks wearing tracksuits, wondering the town drunk as skunks late as night with the only intention of getting into a fight.

I am so glad I went to uni down South.
Dude... it's bad down south. Here you get knifed for WEARING JEANS or BEING OVER 50 or something equally retarded (I mean sure I guess if you went really down to cornwall or somewhere it'd be ok but that place is so old fashioned sweet shops still have suffragette flags or some shit)
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: crone_lover720 on March 14, 2008, 06:30:16 pm
man, I can't come into general anymore without feeling like I'm surrounded by huge fucking idiots in every topic. people getting beat up and killed in the west for being christian hahahaha

i....i got flamed on digg.com for stating I believe in Christ...what is the world coming to...

Quote from: Kaworu on March 14, 2008, 06:20:46 pm
Dude... it's bad down south. Here you get knifed for WEARING JEANS or BEING OVER 50 or something equally retarded (I mean sure I guess if you went really down to cornwall or somewhere it'd be ok but that place is so old fashioned sweet shops still have suffragette flags or some shit)
dude this is where I'm going to live

also doing an image search for suffragette flag gave me this which is pretty great, so thanks! http://www.theolddyke.co.uk/index.htm
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Carrion Crow on March 14, 2008, 06:39:50 pm
Bristol, the place to be :)
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Ranmaru Mori on March 14, 2008, 08:50:13 pm
Quote from: Kaworu on March 14, 2008, 06:20:46 pm
Dude... it's bad down south. Here you get knifed for WEARING JEANS or BEING OVER 50 or something equally retarded (I mean sure I guess if you went really down to cornwall or somewhere it'd be ok but that place is so old fashioned sweet shops still have suffragette flags or some shit)
Its like that all over England these days. It doesnt really matter where you go, asbo kids will still try and attack you.
Thats just the way it is unfortunatly. (Also, has anyone noticed the rise in yobs attacking pensioners lately?)

I feel sorry for the girls family, I hope they stick all of the girls/girls who did it behind bars.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: The Truth on March 14, 2008, 08:53:54 pm
Quote from: angry black man on March 14, 2008, 06:06:22 am
here in america those two would be thought of as "cool" and the teenagers would probably proceed to stomp on the nearest homeless guy, a homosexual, or anyone wearing a christian cross around their neck.

hahaha you're kidding right


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being a minority went out of fashion at the turn of the century and now emo and alternative is going out of style too.  the biggest fad right now is being a self proclaimed atheist  liberal that viciously satirizes and attacks anyone who thinks differently yet is too dumb to realize the irony in their actions.

hahaha come on stop with the fakeposts
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Roman on March 14, 2008, 10:14:16 pm
Quote from: angry black man on March 14, 2008, 06:06:22 am
here in america those two would be thought of as "cool" and the teenagers would probably proceed to stomp on the nearest homeless guy, a homosexual, or anyone wearing a christian cross around their neck.

haha what the hell are you talking about

edit: SEEMS AS THOUGH THIS POST HAS ALREADY BEEN COVERED so nevermind
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: irmaxks on March 18, 2008, 01:22:49 am
Good, I hate Goths.

They need to grow up, everything they stand for is bullshit, and to top it off they look silly.

Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Marcus on March 18, 2008, 01:38:56 am
Quote from: benjamin franklin on March 14, 2008, 12:45:58 pm
I fucking challenge you to show even a modicum of similarity between violence directed at homeless and gays and at christians.

Also I go to a college where the big thing is being counterculture (hipsters yay!!!).

Challenge taken.

Here's a list of 100 churches that were burned down from 4th quarter 2006 to 4rth quarter 2007 (http://www.ncfbc.org/cbcs.pdf).  Keep in mind that this was a SAMPLE and doesn't represent the total amount in the United States within that year (expect that number to atleast be doubled).  Note that atleast 90% of the total were a result of Arson; if you do a google search with the names of those churches, most of them were a result of a hate crime or vandalism/arson.

Everyone is susceptible to violence.  Everyone.  Saying Christians in America aren't stomped in the ground or killed over their faith is just as ignorant as saying Muslims in America weren't beat to death after 9/11.  If you rely on fucking CNN and FOX for your news, then you're going to get some one sided coverage on what's POPULAR.  The media only covers fads; churches burning down was news back in the 80s with the rise of Death Metal or whatever.  Nowadays, if you're murdered because your gay or whatever then it's instant front page but a backwater protestant church torched because some white supremist faggot or bored college kid hates organized religion?  Pfffft whatever, back page material.  Shit, I remember watching the news a few months ago and there were a series of drive by shootings specifically targetting churches when they let out on sundays.

EDIT: oh and b4 anyone takes my post out of context with "LOL U HATE GAYS" or whatever, my post is about how people of all faith/gender/denomination are equally capable of being the target of violence.  I'm sure there's lots of goths in America that get beat up/killed daily but if the media doesn't report it and it doesn't hit the internet then no one will ever know nor care.

EDIT2: Speaking about crimes against the homeless, it's amazing what you'd find on the internet.  According to New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/15/us/15homeless.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1203083483-attX/jVxo64sdj0CtpbPDw&oref=slogin) there was 130+ reported crimes against homeless people last year which was an increase the year before that.  The National Coalition for the Homeless (http://www.nationalhomeless.org/index.html) is a great website to find information on crimes against homeless that don't make front cover news. 

What is it with youngsters today and beating shit up?  This is generally speaking because it's increasing.  Back in my day, I was too busy watching X-Men and playing tonka trucks in the sandbox.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Beasley on March 18, 2008, 04:24:15 am
Marcus you are a pretty smart guy but you are still really biased whenever it comes to atheists!! if anything hip hop/cool2beblack culture is still way on the rise!

Anyway this is awful. Counter culture fads bug me, but still, this is taken way too far.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Finality on March 18, 2008, 05:12:35 am
Quote from: irmaxks on March 18, 2008, 01:22:49 am
Good, I hate Goths.

They need to grow up, everything they stand for is bullshit, and to top it off they look silly.
Yeah, let's just kill all the goths. Teach them a lesson, a lesson about my nigga G-O-D.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Marcus on March 18, 2008, 05:56:32 am
Quote from: Beasley on March 18, 2008, 04:24:15 am
Marcus you are a pretty smart guy but you are still really biased whenever it comes to atheists!! if anything hip hop/cool2beblack culture is still way on the rise!

Anyway this is awful. Counter culture fads bug me, but still, this is taken way too far.

well considering the internet is a breeding ground for REBELS 2 SOCIETY someone has to represent the opposite point of view without coming off as a one sided evangelist jerk.  fuck, i promote experimentation (so long as you're not like, killing yourself or harming others) and thinking for yourself but i'm like... one in a billion amongst the "conservative" society.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: CorporateGreed on March 18, 2008, 08:20:26 am
Quote from: irmaxks on March 18, 2008, 01:22:49 am
Good, I hate Goths.

They need to grow up, everything they stand for is bullshit, and to top it off they look silly.



Yeah, let's kill anyone belonging to a subculture. If they ain't like us, they don't deserve
to live.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Swordfish on March 18, 2008, 09:00:34 am
Suprisngly, a lot more people would wear goth if they knew where to find but then whatever. Personaly i feel trash like that get banged up for hurting people on the bassis of what they wear and how they choose to live. What does it matter how i choose to live which in no way effects you?
Its ignorant pricks like this that piss me off and make me a tad worried for my own saftey (yes, i'm a goth, don't like it? BITE ME) but in the end it won't stop me from living my life the way i want.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Frankie on March 18, 2008, 10:28:20 am
Is goth really a "lifestyle"? I mean like, isn't it just people who wear dark clothes and eeevil accessories like studded bracelets? I don't really see how that's any more of a "lifestyle" or "culture" than wearing a hat or gamer clothes to stand out. I'm not saying that trying to stand out is a bad thing, its a natural feeling to want to be recognized as an individual and all that jazz (though its debatable if just dressing differently is the right way to do it, aren't you a little more than just a set of clothes? Your different clothes might be overshadowing your actual personality, which is, I hope, much deeper than "I wear dark stuff cuz I'm dark".)

That said though, uh, attacking someone for having a "lifestyle" like this is pretty silly. Were their parents killed by a goth, and they swore vengeance on their kind?
N..never again... goddam goths...
Its pretty obvious that the kids didn't really care for them being goths. Either they were particularly violent kids who were looking for victims to harass and this couple conveniently stood out of the crowd to them, and harassment escalated into violent aggression (like maybe one of the kids was particularly violent in his harassment, and it pushed the other kids to mimic his enthusiasm, which pushed him to be even more aggressive, and so on...) or they actually knew that couple and attacked THEM as people, and the media just assumed that because they had a striking clothing style, it was some sort of cultural bigotry.

A third possibility is, maybe they had some pretty intense fear mongering where they lived about goths and how they "shoot down people at schools". Maybe goths arn't very common where they live, and that somehow suddenly seeing a couple of them was like OH SHIT THEY'RE HERE, TO ARMS. Like, if goths are really really uncommon where they live, maybe they assumed that goths arn't just a style and is more of a kind of ORGANIZATION like the KKK, and that the clothes are really some sort of uniform, and that these two people, no matter how non-threatening they looked, were really dangerous terrorists. That might seem like a very silly approach to the event, but think about it: Imagine you have never heard of goths before, not even once, and the very first contact you have with this "culture" is through stories of school shootings. Add to this the whole evil darkness pale faces part, and its not too hard to imagine them as a cult or a terrorist organization or whatever.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Marcus on March 18, 2008, 01:38:59 pm
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Is goth really a "lifestyle"?

In the defense of Goths it is a lifestyle that's no less legitimate than punk or alternative or wigger or whatever.  Out of all the "lifestyles" Goth probably gets the most bad rep because any mall rat and hot topic shopper can proclaim they're goth and it really pisses off REAL goths.  Being goth in itself is having a fascination over the morbid and macabre but other than that it's just about people who wear a lot of black, party and hang out, and read poetry to each other and shit.

Yeah, getting killed over being yourself is pretty gay.  I bet the guys that stomped them where skat8r bois or wide boys or yard boys or whatever gangs/groups britain has.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: irmaxks on March 18, 2008, 07:06:26 pm
I didn't actually believe anyone would post such hateful things about Goths.

My plan worked to ween out the haters.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: jamie on March 18, 2008, 07:46:29 pm
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In the defense of Goths it is a lifestyle that's no less legitimate than punk or alternative or wigger or whatever.  Out of all the "lifestyles" Goth probably gets the most bad rep because any mall rat and hot topic shopper can proclaim they're goth and it really pisses off REAL goths.  Being goth in itself is having a fascination over the morbid and macabre but other than that it's just about people who wear a lot of black, party and hang out, and read poetry to each other and shit.

Yeah, getting killed over being yourself is pretty gay.  I bet the guys that stomped them where skat8r bois or wide boys or yard boys or whatever gangs/groups britain has.

this kind of attack is really, really common in britain. i've been attacked lots of times by different versions of the same people who were involved in this attack. i don't dress in black or anything like that, but my hair is usually longer than the buzzcut these guys will tolerate and i don't wear tracksuits or brand names like ben sherman or lee. but it's the same kind of attack because it has nothing to do with being a goth or whatever the person is, it's just because the target looks easy and weak, and the target usually is easy and weak.

there is some level of resentment over goths or a guy with longer hair, whatever the specific item is, but that's just cos it isn't what they have decided is how people are going to decorate themselves. there is no trace of being against The Gothic Lifestyle because none of these people think that far, they just get fucked up and attack. 

if you lived in britain you would see the topic title and already know the whole story, but it's not a complicated thing to understand. it was another attack by a gang of chavs, neds, asbos - they've got a bunch of different names in different regions but the reasons are always the same.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 18, 2008, 07:51:58 pm
Quote from: angry black man on March 18, 2008, 01:38:56 am
Everyone is susceptible to violence.  Everyone.  Saying Christians in America aren't stomped in the ground or killed over their faith is just as ignorant as saying Muslims in America weren't beat to death after 9/11.

that's not the point. everyone knows some Christians are killed for their faith. the point is that you are out of your fucking gourd if you think Christians are some kind of persecuted class. good luck running for public office and not being Christian!
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Finality on March 18, 2008, 08:09:02 pm
Quote from: irmaxks on March 18, 2008, 07:06:26 pm
I didn't actually believe anyone would post such hateful things about Goths.

My plan worked to ween out the haters.
Yes, you seem to have missed the whole sarcastic nature behind a good portion of the posts here at GW.

My words are lost on you dumb goths. (JOKING BTW)
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: irmaxks on March 19, 2008, 12:01:15 am
Haha, WHERT.. of course I got the sarcasm. Im not a idiot.

And your custom title is right, only the cool kids do smoke.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Cheshire Cat on March 19, 2008, 12:11:06 am
Often wonder if this is a worse problem in America or the UK.

Cos over there people seem to genreally kill each other more, but here we're all cramped up with people of different cultures and that.
It's a tricky one.

But yeah, pretty sad this happens. Too many people that watched This Is England and didnt quite get the message (or charvas, lest we forget).
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Swordfish on March 20, 2008, 03:51:59 pm
Read poetry? sure i like it but i have yet to do that :P. hmmm Goth is a lifestyle choice, but its a lot more then just the clothes and interests, theres also a mind set that goes along with it, that is : generally a pacifist, un-prejudiced (or whatever the opposite of prejudice is) a satirical point of view when some one tries to make fun of you, and as already said an interest into the dark and macabre, whilst there not defining traits, there ones you can most defiantly expect from a goth. To be honest, theres just to much in what a goth is so its tooo hard to define what goth is.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: theHunter on March 20, 2008, 03:55:58 pm
Thats fucked up, no one should be subject to violence just because there being themselves...


Unless thier rapists or serial murderers or something of the sort those mofos need to die.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: tuxedo marx on March 20, 2008, 07:01:45 pm
Thanks for your input, Hammurabi!
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Vellfire on March 20, 2008, 07:07:21 pm
Quote from: Swordfish on March 20, 2008, 03:51:59 pm
generally a pacifist, un-prejudiced (or whatever the opposite of prejudice is) a satirical point of view when some one tries to make fun of you, and as already said an interest into the dark and macabre, whilst there not defining traits, there ones you can most defiantly expect from a goth.

If this is what being a goth is then not only have I never met a goth, but all the "goths" I know of are the worst goths ever.  They are all INCREDIBLY prejudiced (although they do claim to not be), aren't pacifistic per se (really wanting to start fights but being too afraid of being beat up doesn't count as pacifist), want to be satirical but don't understand what satire is...

I'm starting to think that goths aren't real at this point.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Jester on March 20, 2008, 07:27:31 pm
Ya real goths are extremely rare, because faux-goth is just so popular nowadays.

Being goth doesn't even mean DRESS IN BLACK, you just need an active interest in the goth lifestyle (ie poetry lols).

So yeah chances are no one alive has met a real goth......
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Kaworu on March 20, 2008, 07:29:17 pm
The real goths are generally an extension on the extremes of punk and new wave trends (listen to shit like soussie and the banshies, the cult etc, have their hair look like they styled it with salmon jizz and black die etc)
The modern "goth" is more some poser who watches tim burton movies and thinks they're so deep and unique that they have to imitate them to be an individual. Essentially the modern "goth" isn't a real person persay because they lack the cpacity to show any sign of anything else other than being/doing what they're told to.
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Jester on March 20, 2008, 08:21:30 pm
Quote from: Kaworu on March 20, 2008, 07:29:17 pm
ther than being/doing what they're told to.
yes but only by cool people, not by "the man"
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: ShortCircuit on March 26, 2008, 07:36:36 am
She shouldn't have tried to be so alternative tho should she?
Title: Kobieta zamordowana bo byla gothem
Post by: Swordfish on April 06, 2008, 10:22:02 pm
To be honest, most goth now days are well, just posers. They think goth is just wearing black and listening to bands like Marylin Manson and limpBiskit (sp). Whilst i don't mind people like that, i just hate the fact there only doing it just to be apart of the scene and couldn't care less for anything about what makes a goth a goth.

One thing you must understand is that being goth is about being unique, hence the black (cos most where colours). Goths do have colour, i mean i Have boots that have bright shiny red on them and spikes, and once my hair grows out a bit more longer i'm gonna get red streaks done. And whilst its not a requirement listening to goth/industrial bands like: BAUHAUS, Sisters of mercy, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Nosferatu, killing joke, etc it often a given as most other goths will probably ask you about them (plus there awesome bands any way so why not listen?). and for the record i listen to tons of heavy metal, metal, hard rock, alternative becuase i like it, as do many others.

To be honest a goth doesn't openly go around and say i'm a goth, we just tend to not saying anything unless some one asks. I usually give one of two answers depending on the situation. Usually i say i'm not a goth, i'm me but i associate as part of the goth subculture or i say simply yes i am.
One thing goths don't like is labels so a goth won't rally say there goth as it is a label, so thats a good way to see if either goth or poser.

I look at my self as being apart of the goth culture becuase my likes and dislikes fit in with it, not becuase i like things and dislike things a goth would. I'm not trying to fit in with the goth subculture, i fit in Because what i like makes me apart of the goth subculture..

In the end theres no real defining traits of what a goth is becuase there are so many kinds of goth, the best way to look at it is that every goth is apart of there own subculture and like to hang out with others of similar subculture.

Either way goths are unique from each other as thats what goths strive to be, unique and different from the conformists :)

anything else you want to know, just ask

P.S. Modern goths are as you put, are posers. Unless they associate with the goth culture out of choice and whilst apart of it do what they want, if there having to be told what to do to be a goth, then there just posers.