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Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Kaworu on March 22, 2008, 04:39:25 pm
With either two or one weeks to go (on BBC 2 or BBC 3 recpectively) I dunno who's been watching Torchwood.
For those who don't know, it's a Doctor Who spinoff said to be like "the x-files but in cardiff". It's not like the x-files (apart from like one episode I will mention), and any claims that it's sexy or adult basically mean it has kissing and SEX GAS.
It's pretty bad (and last years was horrendous, but showed potential towards the end), but the past few episodes have started getting pretty good. Episode 10 would have fitted perfectly as an X-File. It's about night carnival folk. Episode 11 was a pretty calm character episode which was cool and Episode 12 was ok too I guess. But yah this season's been all right, it started very OTT and the second episode ended with one of the most hillarious things ever (a business man alien attacking a military base) but it's definately found it's footing and has been a lot more solid this time, if the writting has at points been a little well... bad. Plus there was no SEX GAS this season, so that was good.
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: local_dunce on March 22, 2008, 05:02:04 pm
Man Torchwood is SO BAD, and it has an uncomfortable amount of gay in it for me. But the storylines really are horrendous. I saw the first and then a few of the more recent of this series and every time it has been a disappointment. And why does Jack feel the need to NEVER TELL THIS GIRL ANYTHING even though everybody else knows what's going on.
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Shinan on March 22, 2008, 05:31:24 pm
I really like Torchwood. Apparently I'm the only one though. I've liked it from the very start too. It's wonderfully cheesy in my opinion. But I guess I should say that I unfortuantely never have had much chance to watch Dr. Who (because they've never really aired that over here :( ) So I guess I can blame me liking it on that? Perhaps?
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: 4Dsheep on March 22, 2008, 06:26:29 pm
I like Torchwood too. That and Ashes to Ashes are just about the only TV series I've been following for the past two months. I partly watch it because of the queerness (it's like Will & Grace but actually halfway decent and with aliens) and partly because it's my only connection to Doctor Who in these dark cybermen-deprived times.
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Kaworu on March 22, 2008, 07:04:18 pm
Well Doctor Who does start in about two weeks! so there won't be that long to wait :D
Nah I think Torchwood's problem is that it doesn't know when to and when not to take itself seriously. The characters are different, interesting and go well (ok the potential Toshiko/Owen relationship seems pretty far fetched). The breif, is good and shows potential. But it comes on with SEX GAS, boring plots or shakey cliche directing, There's not really been feel for a continous threat. Billis Manger from the first season was great, he had the perfect amount of creepy (and that he's appearing in the novels suggests to me he's popular enough to warrent becoming a fairly frequent(once every season or two) badguy).
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Jester on March 22, 2008, 08:44:13 pm
Dr Who is about to come back? Aw, I was hoping something horrible was going to happen to everyone who wrote any of the episodes of last season and it'd be cancelled.

On that note, I absolutely hated the first series of Torchwood, and saw no reason to give it a second chance this season. Wasn't the first episode of the first series the alien who absorbed men as they climaxed? Come on.
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Shinan on March 22, 2008, 09:26:19 pm
Quote from: Jester on March 22, 2008, 08:44:13 pm
On that note, I absolutely hated the first series of Torchwood, and saw no reason to give it a second chance this season. Wasn't the first episode of the first series the alien who absorbed men as they climaxed? Come on.
That's the SEX GAS Kaworu keeps mentioning. I didn't even dislike that episode. I like the wacky concepts they put forth and I like it even more when every single one gets resolved every episode. None of that arc-spanning serialized continuos shit.

I like how they introduce concepts I haven't seen too often in TV-SF before. (Though again I haven't seen Doctor Who so I don't know if it's something that is usual within that. Because as far as TV-SF goes Torchwood is pretty top-notch so if the only real fault with it is that it isn't as awesome as Who I don't really know what to say.)

Of course the writing and execution isn't always win. But in SF it has always been the concepts that are important anyway.
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Kaworu on March 22, 2008, 10:18:15 pm
Quote from: Jester on March 22, 2008, 08:44:13 pm
Dr Who is about to come back? Aw, I was hoping something horrible was going to happen to everyone who wrote any of the episodes of last season and it'd be cancelled.

On that note, I absolutely hated the first series of Torchwood, and saw no reason to give it a second chance this season. Wasn't the first episode of the first series the alien who absorbed men as they climaxed? Come on.
Yeah I am totally disappointed with what I've read about this years Doctor Who (I mean the main bad guy will be I mean fucking COME ON! he was overused enough in the 80's) but there are three stories which do seem epic (Planet of the ood (I like ood),The Sontaran one... because Sontarans are one of the coolest aliens ever. Seriously. And the second two parter about a SPACE LIBRARY because it seems so very late Tom Baker). but other than those I really am not looking forward to this :(
(Some of the writers are really good (some of them learned their trade writing audioplays or making Doctor Who spinoffs for BBV) but Russel T Davies has... horrible vision and it's a problem with torchwood as well I think, his control. Like he ejaculates ideas onto a piece of paper, but doesn't put any thought into "does this work?" or "is this good enough?" But I ain't poducer of two of the few watchable TV shows around so I can't comment)

I must say I am annoyed that people do compare torchwood to Doctor Who because it's a totally different type of program, and Torchwood can be fully enjoyed without knowledge of Doctor Who even when most of it's key points are related to that series (Captain jack's immortality, the Rift, torchwood itself and more). But I think that's one of it's strengths that it does seem to exist happily on it's own, with minimal reference.

Anyways I'll likely start a Doctor Who topic in a few weeks anyways, so let's not talk about that here :p


Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on March 23, 2008, 09:47:09 am
Ugh... don't get me started on Torchwood. I sunk in my chair in shame as I was watching it. I acknowledge the fact that I indulge in cheap media more often than I should... but Torchwood was too much for me. I didn't have any hopes for any more Doctor Who after watching it...

Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Jester on March 23, 2008, 11:43:29 am
Quote from: Shinan on March 22, 2008, 09:26:19 pm
Of course the writing and execution isn't always win. But in SF it has always been the concepts that are important anyway.
this is a pretty lame sentence really. i always thought in tv as a whole writing is quite important. i dont really finish watching a show and go THAT WAS A GOOD CONCEPT :D i am usually more THAT WAS A FUN TV SHOW TO WATCH
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: big ass skelly on March 23, 2008, 11:46:34 am
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Jester on March 23, 2008, 11:58:06 am
hahah that is really exactly how i feel but worded better :D about robin hood, too.
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Shinan on March 23, 2008, 03:23:12 pm
Quote from: Jester on March 23, 2008, 11:43:29 am
this is a pretty lame sentence really. i always thought in tv as a whole writing is quite important. i dont really finish watching a show and go THAT WAS A GOOD CONCEPT :D i am usually more THAT WAS A FUN TV SHOW TO WATCH
I'm just an SF guy. And as an SF guy I can get through short-stories with only concept. And I'd say that writing possibly is even more important in short stories?
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Moses on March 25, 2008, 11:33:12 pm
The first three quarters of Torchwood season one was crap.  I think that the more recent ones are pretty decent (certainly better than earlier), but it's still not "adult Doctor Who" (which is a stupid thing to call it in the first place).
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: dicko on March 28, 2008, 12:58:03 pm
it's been getting okay, better than it was but still not entirely watchable.

there have been some interesting concepts, but they haven't been executed properly i think.
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: tuxedo marx on March 28, 2008, 01:08:27 pm
Quote
Some of the writers are really good (some of them learned their trade writing audioplays or making Doctor Who spinoffs for BBV)
True! Stephen Moffat's episodes (The Girl in the Fireplace from 2006 and Blink from 2007) I enjoyed, and it's Moffat, not Davies, who won awards for his Doctor Who writing. Luckily, he's writing a two-parter for the latest series, so if I can stand watching Catherine Tate for any amount of time, I may well enjoy it!
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Kaworu on March 28, 2008, 04:24:06 pm
Yeah his two parter is one of the few I'm really looking forward to!

Also last Torchwood on BBC3 tonight peeps.
tbh a problem with Torchwood is it's influences, it's prettymuch taking stuff (sylistically and plot-wise) from crap like Angel and Buffy. Which are terrible shows anyways. And yet it's advertising itself as sexy-x-files. It needs some more mature storylines and some real mysteries, that get us as an audience guessing (because they for some reason SHOW US WHAT IS GOING ON AS IF WE CAN'T COMPREHEND HINTS AND CLUES). for what it is, it does need to follow closer to X files or Quatermass, because atm it doesn't know whether it's a family, teen or adult show.
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: big ass skelly on March 28, 2008, 04:25:10 pm
Moffat should be in control of doctor who not that asshole davies I swear
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Grindie on March 31, 2008, 09:25:50 am
I remember catching five minutes of this on TV once. Thought it was the saddest thing I had ever seen. Doctor Who gets away with being shit 'cause it's aimed at 7 year olds, Torchwood is the exact same show but they say naughty words and talk about sex.
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Bartz_the_light_knight on April 04, 2008, 08:27:30 am
Well, I feel totally out of space here, cause I actually enjoyed Torchwood (Then again, I'm American and don't know any better.  And we like sex and teenaged rampant Violence... how the HELL can people enjoy CSI?)  I've also never seen the original Doctor Who series, and picked it up around Series 2.   Plus on my side, there was the bonus of seeing James Masters kiss a dude.    Okay, that wasn't the defining thing for me,  to me it felt more mature than what you see now in Sci-Fi (Though I do fuggin Love Stargate Atlantis.)   Anyways, enough of my ravings for this show. 

*slinks back into hiding, head hanging down*
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: local_dunce on April 04, 2008, 08:39:24 am
I don't think I was born when Doctor Who was on Series 2... How old are you dude?
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: big ass skelly on April 04, 2008, 10:07:17 am
I think he's talking about series 2 of the new ones which is also how that perennial asshole Russell T Davies refers to them
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Kaworu on April 05, 2008, 06:10:44 pm
It was actually issued as a new series... Which is kinda odd as Doctor Who was put on hiatus in the 80's... not cancelled. So technically there are two series' of Doctor Who in existence now (but yeah in reality it's a continuation, but technicalities are fun!)
Also worth mentioning that the original series 2 is pretty awesome (it featured the Dalek's invasion of earth)

Also should I just rename this topic and it can be DOCTORWHO discussion, since Torchwood's now finished and Doctor Who has just begun?
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: big ass skelly on April 05, 2008, 06:15:18 pm
That's all very interesting but the main point is that russell t davies is a bad, bad man
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Kaworu on April 05, 2008, 06:33:38 pm
Very much so, have you seen today's Doctor Who? It's atrocious.
Also the words Heavyhanded and foreshadowing could be used to describe a certain aspect, but I think they would be such an understatement.
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: big ass skelly on April 05, 2008, 08:08:54 pm
I didn't see it yet but :(
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Jester on April 05, 2008, 10:44:15 pm
haha, it was so, so bad.

what episodes are not written by russel this season? i dont think im going to bother to watch the rest.
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Carrion Crow on April 05, 2008, 10:48:00 pm
It was quite formulaic it has to be said...
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: big ass skelly on April 05, 2008, 10:57:33 pm
Periodically vandalising the Russell T Davies wikipedia page just doesn't feel like ENOUGH anymore
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: tuxedo marx on April 05, 2008, 11:40:56 pm
Quote from: Jester on April 05, 2008, 10:44:15 pm
what episodes are not written by russel this season? i dont think im going to bother to watch the rest.
Luckily the next 7 episodes are not written by Davies, ending with Moffat's two-parter. That leaves only 4 remaining Davies episodes.
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: local_dunce on April 06, 2008, 12:54:06 am
Catherine Tate is so horrible :( I really hope that the ending of this episode was SIGNS OF ROSE COMING BACK. And hopefully we wont have to put up with Tate for too long!
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Jester on April 06, 2008, 10:32:22 am
oh yeah also billie piper looked terrible!

but wait the next SEVEN arent written by him? wow, why did they open with such a terrible episode, then? stupid humans
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: tuxedo marx on April 06, 2008, 02:00:29 pm
Quote from: scubacoaster on April 06, 2008, 12:54:06 am
Catherine Tate is so horrible :( I really hope that the ending of this episode was SIGNS OF ROSE COMING BACK. And hopefully we wont have to put up with Tate for too long!
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: big ass skelly on April 06, 2008, 02:07:52 pm
Why did Davies decide to move a perfectly good companion (marsha) to his shitty little pet project in favour of the one they effectively killed off in a previous series and a catch phrase-based comedienne who couldn't make me crack a smile whilst I was off my face.

Fuck that guy seriously.
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Kaworu on April 06, 2008, 06:03:48 pm
There's a pretty few bad episodes comming up, the two parters seem the best episodes (though the is written by the woman who wrote last year's Dalek story so I dunno how the Awesomeness of the will be ruined by bad writing)Also the Planet of the Might be cool as I did like them.
I have absolutely no hope for the finale though, it seems to me as BAD FANFICTION.
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Kaworu on April 26, 2008, 07:15:52 pm
today's episode was pretty brawlin'
Martha returned, donna was away for half the episode, and the mighty sontarans made a return. I thought was gunna be terrible as it was written by hellen Rayner, but it was pretty cool. Yeah they made the Sontarans midgets instead of being stocky powerhouses in puffer jackets. but I kinda like their new clothes, just wish they were taller/bigger in general.</fanboy>
Uhg had to tell my dad to shut up (kept saying there should be old unit personel making cameos, and even mentioned bessy (the Doctor's old car when he worked with unit in the 70's (though chronologically took place in the 80's, but the (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIT_dating_controversy)... who cares. )
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: tuxedo marx on April 26, 2008, 07:44:31 pm
yeah, absolutely agreed on tonight's episode. man, the Sontarans are actually pretty awesome, I wasn't expecting anyone so nefarious!
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: local_dunce on April 26, 2008, 08:39:48 pm
I thought it was pretty terrible, I like it when they do interesting episodes like the old Gas Mask kid and the Gargoyles and stuff rather than having ALIENS that look like something out of a kids TV show.
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Post by: Carrion Crow on April 27, 2008, 07:40:14 pm
The alien stereotypes you're on about were prolly in Doctor Who all those years ago ;)
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Post by: local_dunce on April 28, 2008, 07:25:39 am
Yeah I know that, it doesn't make them any more interesting for me. Gas Mask kid was an amazing episode because it was actually fucking creepy and so have been a lot of episodes. This entire series the only thing they seem to be doing is "bringing back" cheap bad looking aliens that aren't exciting or interesting unless you are freakin kaworu.
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: Kaworu on April 28, 2008, 10:20:25 am
ones they have brought back:
Autons
Daleks
Cybermen (NOT the original Cybermen, so these could also be classed as new badies if you're anal about Doctor Who)
Master
Sontarans

the rest have been originals for the relaunch.
*writes five more slitheen episodes to keep BM happy

I do think there should be a more stronger focus on making GOOD NEW BADDIES. Like most of the new stuff they do seems to be really childish/ott and boring. The Ood are somewhat interesting and the Sycorax have potential (also appeared in the comics so they can always come back). but Doctor Who does have a continuity (a heavily convulted one... but one none the less), and so of course they're gunna bring back villains who were already recurring characters. The Sontarans aren't some random obscure villain, they are one of it's popular/well known ones. Like I'd love for them to bring back the Vervoids but they are obscure(even among Doctor Who fans), and nobody would really give a shit except for like me.
I think it's also worth mentioning how tonned down things are in the new series, stories like Genesis of the Daleks simply wouldn't be allowed to be made for the new series. hit like this has really ruined the Sontarans, whose second story consisted of one of them torturing humans to find their weaknesses (also turning them into midgets instead of being body builders also seems to have ruined them).
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: big ass skelly on April 28, 2008, 12:07:17 pm
I liked how the sontarans have now got like old british empire general voices. Good episode I thought.
Title: Doctor Who and Torchwood (whotalk is later down the page)
Post by: local_dunce on April 28, 2008, 12:17:58 pm
Maybe I am just annoyed because they have DR. VS THE CUTE FAT MONSTERS. It all just seems pretty ridiculous save for the Ood who genuinely are quite cool.
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Post by: Carrion Crow on May 03, 2008, 08:10:57 pm
I am completely what the fuck at the preview for next week's episode.

That is all.
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Post by: local_dunce on May 04, 2008, 08:50:52 pm
Luke, I am your father.
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Post by: Kaworu on May 04, 2008, 08:58:23 pm
NOTE: The doctor's Granddaughter, Susan, and her teachers(she liked 60's London so they stayed there, whilst the Doctor was sorting something out) were his first assistant in the 60's! I really hope there is something about Susan's fate mentioned in this episode, because the Doctor let her live in 2150(ish) London, to rebuild after the Dalek's had been defeated(they had control of the earth). It also makes me smile that his daughter is being played by Peter Davison's (fifth Doctor's) daughter.

Also yesterday's was ok. the FIRE SKY thing was ott and just didn't work for me, but then when has helen Raynor been about the science aspects(electrocuting me would mean Time Lord DNA gets infused with Dalek DNA creating Timelord Dalek human hybrids!!)
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Post by: Carrion Crow on May 04, 2008, 09:40:03 pm
Yeah the let's blow up the atmosphere thing seemed like rather a rushed ending to a double-episode.
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Post by: Jester on May 04, 2008, 11:33:33 pm
i totally missed the last two episodes. i guess i just hate doctor who nowadays. oh well.
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Post by: Carrion Crow on June 01, 2008, 05:20:51 pm
Doctor Who was AMAZING this week and it's one of those dreaded 2-parters. It's looking like a common plot device though I am just wondering how they are going to drop that twist.
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Post by: tuxedo marx on June 01, 2008, 05:27:31 pm
Yeah, I really enjoyed it. Good old Steven Moffatt. Anyone else have an inkling on who River Song might be?
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Post by: big ass skelly on June 01, 2008, 05:57:46 pm
Would it really be a bad thing if Moffat just wrote the whole series?

I mean really??? Great episode.
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Post by: 4Dsheep on June 01, 2008, 07:11:30 pm
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
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Post by: esp on June 02, 2008, 09:22:34 am
i dont normally watch doctor who but the most recent episode was quite entertaining

i thought it would have been some really gay foe with all the STAY OUT OF..THE SHADOWS... but it actually was pretty cool.
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Post by: tuxedo marx on June 02, 2008, 11:02:44 am
Quote from: Mark on June 01, 2008, 05:57:46 pm
Would it really be a bad thing if Moffat just wrote the whole series?

I mean really??? Great episode.
He is taking over as head writer next series. Now all we need to do is get rid of Catherine Tate and it will be perfect...

EDIT: Oh apparently Tate is also leaving after this series. Hooray!
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Post by: Carrion Crow on June 02, 2008, 11:49:12 am
She wasn't that bad. She wasn't exactly complemented by any OUTSTANDING episodes this series (thus far).
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Post by: big ass skelly on June 02, 2008, 01:24:38 pm
Quote from: Rockman. on June 02, 2008, 11:02:44 am
He is taking over as head writer next series. Now all we need to do is get rid of Catherine Tate and it will be perfect...
I just got told about this and it made my day.
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Post by: 4Dsheep on June 08, 2008, 03:21:09 pm
Did anyone else notice the staggering amount of zombies Doctor Who pulled off lately? The very first episode has the Autons, then the gas ghosts, the Are You My Mummy, the Ood, arguably the Cybermen as well, the scarecrows, and now the Vashta Nerada with their skeleton-in-a-spacesuit antics. I mean, damn. That's a lot of running away and barricading doors.
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Post by: big ass skelly on June 14, 2008, 06:55:19 pm
This week's was surprisingly good considering it was a Davies episode.
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Post by: Kaworu on June 18, 2008, 09:14:18 am
ok ok the library 2-parter was kinda good, the whole shadows thing I didn't really like as it seemed too much of "heh scare children"(plus it seems to be ripped straight out of the x-files episode "softlight"). I get that that is a point of the show though, so I am not gunna hold it against it. It was a lot slower story at first which was better than ones like Doctor's Daughter which was all running. Moffat seems the best of the writers with pace, so it'll be great when he's head writer (I really enjoyed the first episode but not so much the second) Midnight was also cool because it was something different, and relied more on a core cast than a scary monster (and the second Doctor's son featured, so yay)

Also spoilers for the main badguy at the end of the series!

Also 4D, the Autons are robots, not zombies :(

Also if you care, Torchwood next year will be only five episodes, broadcasted over one week on BBC1, telling one main story. That's the current word anyways.
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Post by: tuxedo marx on June 18, 2008, 02:15:00 pm
oh man

I have been saying this all along and people have been dismissing it as preposterous! Maybe they should have read The Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/2142381/Dr-Who%27s-enemy-Davros-to-make-a-comeback.html) more. (more spoilers I'm afraid)
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Post by: Kaworu on June 21, 2008, 10:53:04 am
ok just want t out there before it airs so you can skip it if you want. But tonight's episode focuses on Donna. So if you hate Donna and I do :(​, then this episode might be one to skip :/
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Post by: local_dunce on June 21, 2008, 10:14:16 pm
Man I loved it, it was the best episode yet! And next week looks fucking awesome too.
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Post by: tuxedo marx on June 22, 2008, 11:37:18 am
Yeah, great episode. Lots of Billie Piper :)
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Post by: Carrion Crow on June 22, 2008, 12:07:14 pm
The trailer for next week had me going WOWOWOWOOWOWOWOWOWOWOOWOWOWOWWOW for a long time. Rockman come to my house for beer and doritos you know you wana.
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Post by: tuxedo marx on June 22, 2008, 12:40:05 pm
eddie a) that is an awesome avatar and b) I would absolutely do it if i had any money for trains
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Post by: big ass skelly on June 22, 2008, 01:51:35 pm
I thought it was pretty bad but that's probably because I don't like rose and I don't like donna.

UK's alright, there's not much petrol here NICE ONE RUSS
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Post by: Kaworu on June 22, 2008, 05:57:27 pm
I wasn't to keen on this week's. It had a nice premise but it just felt weak, and nothing held any real gravity (apart from the labour camps bit which I really didn't like, I guess mostly because my parents were saying"that's what they should do here right now". Yeah I'm looking forward somewhat to next week's one. Fuck everybody from Doctor Who, Torchwood and The Sarah Jane Adventures (I've... watched a couple...) and the D man making a return, I got a nerdboner.
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Post by: big ass skelly on June 26, 2008, 11:01:27 am
Yeah kinda looking foward to seeing davros but this is another RTD dalek outing right? No doubt there'll be some cringeworthy RTD shit to boot HERE COME THE DRUMS HERE COME THE DRUMS
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Post by: Kaworu on June 27, 2008, 05:48:49 pm
well I think we can safely assume what the cliffhanger is going to be.
The doctor and his assistants seperated. Doctor facing Davros, trapped by Daleks. Assistants trapped elsewhere by Daleks, perhaps some with The Doctor, but not all.
Millions and millions of Daleks appear in a CGI frenzy.
This has been the cliffhanger for the last three series' endings so he can't really disappoint us by throwing a curveball.
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Post by: tuxedo marx on June 27, 2008, 09:44:09 pm
Yeah, pretty much replace Daleks with toclafane and you have it. also Paul O'Grady and Richard Dawkins in cameos sounds... cringeworthy.
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Post by: big ass skelly on June 28, 2008, 10:52:28 pm
That was a nasty cliffhanger
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Post by: tuxedo marx on June 28, 2008, 11:04:03 pm
Was totally not expecting that, considering Tennant has denied leaving the show this season (http://www.whatsontv.co.uk/primetime/doctor_who/news/2457). Intriguing stuff!
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Post by: Dale Gobbler on June 28, 2008, 11:06:27 pm
I actually saw Doctor Who for the first time last week. Every time I saw the commercials for it, I was like "crappy sci fi show". Then I kind of accidentally flipped to the channel it was playing on and I couldn't turn away. I was so interested in what was going on and stuff (I think it was  a major plot twist episode and I was curious wtf was going on). I didn't even change the channel during the commercials. I rarely don't change the channel during the commercials because I don't want to miss anything.
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Post by: Kaworu on June 29, 2008, 07:10:52 pm
3 years is the standard (patrick troughton and peter davidson both said it's the most suitable because it avoids getting typecast, plus Sylvester McCoy(my fave) lasted three years) so it wouldn't be that much of a suprise. I kinda hope it isn't a real regeneration and they throw a stick into it because it'd overshadow Davros and I don't want David Tennant to be denied a Davros scene because they tend to be THE BEST (Destiny of the daleks of course being the exception that proves the rule)
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Post by: local_dunce on June 29, 2008, 08:44:00 pm
NO :( What a fucking cliffhanger, I really really like Tennant too, he is my favourite doc. WHAT THE FUCK.
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Post by: tuxedo marx on June 29, 2008, 09:24:18 pm
Ahem! Tennant is also contractually obliged to play the Doctor in 3 specials (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2007/09/03/48471.shtml). Regeneration would also create a paradox with the whole River Song thing. Sounds like they're gonna throw a spanner in the works!
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Post by: big ass skelly on June 29, 2008, 09:59:37 pm
Wasn't river song like YOU'VE GOT THE SAME EYES BUT YOUR DIFFERENT
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Post by: Carrion Crow on June 29, 2008, 10:53:59 pm
Man the wait until next Saturday seems TOO long. They better not push it back because of some shittu sports event or something otherwise we're gonna have to MGS the bbc.
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Post by: tuxedo marx on June 29, 2008, 11:03:10 pm
Quote from: crumply on June 29, 2008, 10:53:59 pm
Man the wait until next Saturday seems TOO long. They better not push it back because of some shittu sports event or something otherwise we're gonna have to MGS the bbc.
no man, they pushed back everything except Doctor Who yesterday because of Wimbledon. with the viewers Doctor Who rakes in they can't afford to push it back!
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Post by: big ass skelly on June 29, 2008, 11:10:11 pm
I don't mind if they give new doctor but I'll be a little sad because Tennant's really pretty good at it
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Post by: local_dunce on June 30, 2008, 09:53:46 am
Yeah :( I really like Tennant. But I guess no better time than any to say if Tennant isn't the doc, who do you want it to be?
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Post by: local_dunce on June 30, 2008, 09:56:40 am
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/organgrinder/2007/08/james_nesbitt_the_new_doctor_w.html
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Post by: Kaworu on June 30, 2008, 10:14:00 am
it'd make sense since he did do that jaxkyl/hyde show with Moffat, I guess.

also next weeks is 65 minutes long. That's like nearly one and a half episodes.
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Post by: big ass skelly on June 30, 2008, 03:54:57 pm
Apparently tennant has already started filming the christmas special so it's unlikely we'll have a new doctor.


My bet is it'll be SOMETHING to do with that hand in a jar from his first episode
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Post by: tuxedo marx on June 30, 2008, 10:10:13 pm
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My bet is it'll be SOMETHING to do with that hand in a jar from his first episode
This makes sense because it hasn't really played a part yet. Also there is a shot of it pretty much every time they were in the TARDIS in this episode. It does look like they're setting it up for something.
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Post by: tuxedo marx on June 30, 2008, 10:12:59 pm
Quote from: scubacoaster on June 30, 2008, 09:56:40 am
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/organgrinder/2007/08/james_nesbitt_the_new_doctor_w.html
I stopped reading at "according to today's Sun". "The Truth", anyone?
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Post by: Kaworu on July 05, 2008, 06:56:00 pm
At least Rose is gone for good.

Yeah this well felt weak towards the end with tackyness. Maybe some senes of jack and Co sneaking round Dalek ship, but yeah I didn't like the last 20/30 minutes *_*

(lol kaworu complains about everything made after the 80's)
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Post by: tuxedo marx on July 05, 2008, 07:24:05 pm
I dunno, vindication for the Cult of Skaro was pretty great. Surprised Jenny didn't turn up in this episode, considering it did feature everyone ever. Rose finally avec Docteur was nice too. Poor old Bernard Cribbins, though!
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Post by: Carrion Crow on July 05, 2008, 07:35:14 pm
Billie and the doctor gettin it onnnnnnnnnn.

*ahem*

I didn't like the ending of this series. There was too much going on. So much that hardly anything got covered properly, every plot twist seemed rushed and lame as if the people writing the script were relentlessly cramming it all in there. It was more entertaining than the rest of the drivel that's on TV at the moment but damn they were cutting it a bit fine.

If James Nesbitt is the next Doctor I don't know what I'll do. I mean what's gonna happen there? Is he gonna fend off droves of Cybermen with a swipe of his yellow pages, cackling before he downs another pint of guinness.
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Post by: Kaworu on July 05, 2008, 07:47:27 pm
yeah my two complaints are...
A. it was so over the top, like it seemed a farce, yet the actions didn't really get thought over (kinda like how in the 80's story Logopolis, The Master destroys like half the universe but it gets ummed and arred over)
2. Everything was glossed over :/ nothing felt really solid apart from like rose and donna. Characters like Micky, torchwood possy just felt in there for the sake of being in there. Can't badmouth Sarah jane because she was in Genesis of the Daleks.
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Post by: tuxedo marx on July 05, 2008, 08:42:14 pm
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If James Nesbitt is the next Doctor I don't know what I'll do.
Woah, we don't have a new Doctor yet.
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Post by: local_dunce on July 05, 2008, 09:07:21 pm
Yeah, WEAK. I mean the whole thing really wrecked it for me. It was kind of a cop-out way of getting her out of the series and she was pretty shit at it overall (although you could tell they had been planning it throughout the whole fuckin series.) Then they needed to tie off Rose like it wasn't good enough to just leave her out there and not bring her back at all (which would have been tragic and awesome.) I like Rose, she has been my favourite of the Rose/Martha/Donna trio but if they were gonna top it off with a fucked up happy-tears ending like this I'd rather they just left her out there rotting away in her own little parallel universe how it was before. The TWO DOCS thing would have been fantastic if they did get a new doctor in and there was two doctors chillin around for a bit, Tennant and Nesbitt (???) but yeah ultimately it wouldn't pan out and then WHO KNOWS IN THE END.

Anyway I'm pretty disappointed.

So yeah what does everyone expect from the future? New assistants, (What the fuck is up with his daughter by the way? They might bring her back for that MABE?)
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Post by: Bill Murray on July 05, 2008, 09:57:56 pm
It looks like they tried to kill off several different storylines at the same time which was just horrid. It's ridiculous that there's now two doctors (just to complete the equilibrium etc) and getting rid of Tate in the most awkwardly bleak way possible. Why should we keep watching if all the current storylines have just been cut off? It's a bit naff.

But you know, another christmas special with *shockhorror* another entrance from the darleks cybermen, woo hoo?
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Post by: big ass skelly on July 05, 2008, 10:03:41 pm
Yeah there was alot of LET'S WRAP IT UP, WRAP IT ALL UP, WRAP EVERYTHING UP NOW!!! in this but I thought that was because Davies is quitting (fired I hope?) and they wanted to give some real writers a fresh start on it without feeling like they have to tie up all his old bullshit.
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Post by: 4Dsheep on July 06, 2008, 12:24:24 pm
Let's extrapolate the next series' finale... damn, I don't think I'll live to see the end of it.
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Post by: Carrion Crow on July 06, 2008, 12:27:47 pm
Yeah, they can basically just recall characters from the "parallel universe" whenever they want a shitty plot device now.
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Post by: Bill Murray on July 06, 2008, 02:23:27 pm
That is pretty awful.
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Post by: Kaworu on July 06, 2008, 06:32:14 pm
The relaunch has already become too wrapped up in it's own continuity :/
I kinda hope this does mean it'll be something of a fresh start back in the big bold universe instead of being hung up around NEW EARTH and whatever. Moffat is a much better writer so we know that respect it'll be better... In 2010.
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Post by: tuxedo marx on July 06, 2008, 06:55:26 pm
yeah 2010 is the most awful thing about it. Lets shit it up and not sort it out until then!
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Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on July 07, 2008, 02:53:59 am
Naff? Ummed and arred? I'm going to need a translation.
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Post by: tuxedo marx on July 07, 2008, 10:11:09 am
Naff is rubbish, umming and arring is being indecisive. Think of people going "umm... ahh... errr..."