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Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Pasty on March 24, 2008, 07:42:40 am
Sonic Team, the remedial class they are, has been in the laboratory for almost exactly a year (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/29/time-to-reinvent-sonic-the-hedgehog-says-sega/) "reinventing Sonic."  Here's what they came up with.

Video (QT) (http://www.modestarcade.com/video/get_video.MOV)


Alright, look.  Yeah, he's a fucking werewolf (http://www.sega-magazin.de/segaon/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/sonicunleashedart.jpg) for some reason.  Yeah, the story doesn't seem altogether great.  When I watched this video, though, it was the closest I've come to shitting my pants in a long time.  It looks good, not great.  They could polish a lot of the stuff up, especially Sonic's running animations.  I'm more interested in the execution of this concept.  I'd felt they should go "3D on a 2D plane" for a while now, and this could be the first REALLY GOOD Sonic game in a long time if they do this right.

Don't fuck this up, SEGA. 

Edit:  Not fake.  Here.  Have more screenshots. (http://forums.exophase.com/showthread.php?t=6266)

I also have it on middling authority (e.g. some guy who claims to be in touch with a SEGA rep on the Penny-Arcade forums, so take that with a grain or two or salt) that this is an all-or-nothing project for SEGA.  Whether this means they give up entirely if it is bad remains to be seen, and would probably be a no-lose situation regardless *snort* *chortle*

In other words, the entire fucking company, not just Sonic Team, is working on this game and giving it as much time and money as it needs.

Quote from: SEGA ON German SEGA magazine
First, we apologize for our fault to post those fake news about the Sonic plot and the confirmation that it would be 2D, gameplay-wise. However, we go on with our own new facts: SEGA is launching SONIC UNLEASHED with a HUGE production budget and it seems not only SONIC TEAM is involved but a very huge part of SEGA’s developer teams including those from Japan, the US and, apparently for the first time, even Europe. There seems to be one clear mission: Rebuild the Sonic brand and prove it could work in 3D environments.

[1223 ][/1223] Hey, SEGA filed a copyright claim in an attempt to make all the media about this game disappear.  To reiterate, it's an actual leak, not HOHO WE SAID THE INFO WAS COMPROMISED BUT ITS REALLY NOT.  This is NDA-breaking shit.  They apparently weren't allowed to let anyone know this game existed until May.  The dudes responsible for this are as good as fired, probably.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: HL on March 24, 2008, 07:58:33 am
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P.S:  It's up in the air as to the legitimacy of these screens and video.  If this is fake, SEGA should hire these fucking people.

Not really, the screens and video were taken from a Sega FTP.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Pasty on March 24, 2008, 08:00:31 am
Sweet.  Then all that's left to do is comment on what we want to see even though sega never listens ugh

Edit:  Wait, what?  They pulled it off a SEGA FTP?  Jesus, dude.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: NightBlade on March 24, 2008, 08:01:55 am
Reinventing for the 4th time now? Gee wizz; does Sonic have a transforming car robot in this installment?

Oh wait, he's a werewolf... Of course
...

 :fogetshrug:
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: HL on March 24, 2008, 08:04:26 am
Quote from: NightBlade on March 24, 2008, 08:01:55 am
Reinventing for the 4th time now? Gee wizz; does Sonic have a transforming car robot in this installment?

So far there is no side kick chars and it looks to be strongly Sonic v Robotnik from everything pic wise so far.

Quote
Edit:  Wait, what?  They pulled it off a SEGA FTP?  Jesus, dude.

That was the story said when they were released, the person who showed them said they got it off of (iirc) Sega of Europe's FTP (might of been Japan/America), they didn't say whether they worked there and LOL SURPRISE or if they hacked into it, but yeah.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: The Dude on March 24, 2008, 08:45:12 am
I like it. Sonic Rivals and Sonic Rivals 2 are in my top fave PSP games. They're side-scrolling/3D Sonic goodness that this Sonic Unleashed seems to have captured. If that's really the deal, then I'm all for it. Manbearpig or not. There's a few screens there showing Sonic becoming Super Sonic, and one with Eggman in the background while Super Sonic is in the centre of a device/platform. Can we possibly shrug off this Werewolf form as a biproduct of the Doctor's experiment? It probably has something to do with those tricky Chaos Emeralds. It usually does.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Aten on March 24, 2008, 09:09:44 am
O.M.G That game looks BEAUTIFUL. I haven't been so excited about a Sonic game since the classics. Any idea what platform this is gonna be for?
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Jester on March 24, 2008, 09:20:11 am
Looks shitty. Looks like it plays exactly the same as Sonic Adventure 2, except the camera has more of a tendancy to stick to the side rather than hang behind.

Sonic was never about holding right and watching the level zoom by behind you. The thing that, back in the day, made Sonic stand out against Mario wasn't just the speed, it was the fact the levels were not on rails. Yeah, Mario always had his secret pipes and blocks with vines hiding inside, but Sonic games always had multiple routes per level, secret passages, hidden powerups, the bonus level/chaos emerald system, etc. A reason to play it through more than once (that isn't fucking EMBLEMS or OK NOW DO THE STAGE WITHOUT GETTING HIT).

In the video, all the guy does is run right and jump occasionally. That might be what some people think about when they think about Sonic, but as someone who played the old games to death when he was little, it sure isn't what I think about.

Also, werewolf? Wtf.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Kaworu on March 24, 2008, 09:30:01 am
Wow that looks like a pile of shit.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Orange00 on March 24, 2008, 09:50:23 am
I agree with Jester, looks like holding right is the key to victory or maybe running is automatic? Graphics look nice when everything is going really fast, but that's all good I can see. Also this isn't really re-inventing the series, maybe in story department dunno, but this looks just like those GBA side-scrollers. I do like Sonic games which stick to 2d, but this time I'd rather see a working 3d-game!! I know Team Sonic doesn't know how to make games, but it's not like anyone expects anything anymore either.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: theHunter on March 24, 2008, 10:57:02 am
It looks good... but I don't trust it.  I REFUSE to get my hopes up for a console Sonic game.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: darkjak951 on March 24, 2008, 11:48:45 am
Quote from: theHunter on March 24, 2008, 10:57:02 am
It looks good... but I don't trust it.  I REFUSE to get my hopes up for a console Sonic game.

if they got the formula right(couple of interviews validating this) than we miiight have somthing to look forward to. StH on the ps3 and 360 han good ideas all ruined with bad controls/camera. don't give up sega! JUST DON'T FUCK UP AGAIN THO XD
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: UPRC on March 24, 2008, 11:51:07 am
I bet they just make crappy Sonic games because they know everyone will buy them anyway, hoping that they're not as bad as their friends and the reviews say.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Rowain on March 24, 2008, 11:52:24 am
Yeah what I liked about old Genesis Sonics was zooming through the level and then seeing a little side passage and going "where does that take me?"

It never ceased to amaze me how you could pretty much fall off any part of a Sonic level and just end up on another route. And man... WEREWOLF. Why, why the hell would they do something stupid like that. Hasn't this constant reimagining of the Sonic universe been what has ticked off their legion of fans? I mean, imagine if Nintendo took the next Wii Mario game and gave Mario two Desert Eagles  and a tuxedo and made him rub noses with high society while sneaking around a mansion looking for secret weapon plans.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: UPRC on March 24, 2008, 12:00:41 pm
Quote from: Rowain on March 24, 2008, 11:52:24 am
I mean, imagine if Nintendo took the next Wii Mario game and gave Mario two Desert Eagles  and a tuxedo and made him rub noses with high society while sneaking around a mansion looking for secret weapon plans.

Haha, that actually sounds pretty funny. Maybe it would be Luigi's Mansion. Seriously.. Mario could be stuck in almost any situation and it would work, as long as it isn't overly serious or realistically violent.

Sonic on the other hand NEEDS his traditional "hip and cool" setting. Werewolf.. Man.. Hahahaha!!!!
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: big ass skelly on March 24, 2008, 12:08:27 pm
Looks like what I was playing on my master system a hundred years ago with prettier backgrounds and shittier camera angles.

And a dumb werewolf gimmick.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Orange00 on March 24, 2008, 12:45:09 pm
oh yea, a werewolf, wtf?

But is it Sonic turning into one or maybe just a new Sonic-copy villain in the same vein as Mecha Sonic, Metal Sonic, (Shadow) etc. It does look like it's Sonic's transformation with that shadow linking the 2.. That's pretty dumb.. My guess is that it just makes Sonic slower and maybe able to punch, slash (if he already can't), maybe Knuckles' climbing ability. Unless this gimmick is very clever in the gameplay, I'll just look down to it.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: dada on March 24, 2008, 02:15:19 pm
Makes me wonder for what reason you'd want to put a leash on Sonic in the first place.

While the video looks pretty cool, Sonic just kind of lost its appeal to me after Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: maladroithim on March 24, 2008, 02:44:06 pm
Well actually this looks sort of fun which is a big step up from other recent Sonic games.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Pasty on March 24, 2008, 04:18:48 pm
To elaborate on my previous posts, I'm calling guarded optimism at this point (like I do with every console Sonic game ever.  It's in the Bible, you fucks, look it up).  The fact that it's been a year and they've come up with this, which basically looks like the Genesis titles on steroids, that says to me that, unlike last time, they actually took a nice, long look at what made the original games work.  Their interpretation may not be everybody's; you can't really please everyone.  More importantly, this carries with it the implicit assumption that they have not figured out how to make a free-roaming 3D Sonic game work yet.  They tried a "reinvention" with that style of gameplay.  It bombed hard.

Part of me hopes to God that they'll get it right this time (by my definition, "getting it right" means making something at least on par with Sonic Rush/Sonic Rush Adventure), and the other part doesn't want to even put it on my wish list for fear that Sonic Team will pull the same old sleight of hand they always do--coating an unplayable game with shiny paint.

Edit:  I also hope Dimps is involved, because that will greatly increase its chances of being decent.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Jester on March 24, 2008, 04:35:05 pm
but.. it doesnt look like the genesis games. like i said and a bunch of people agreed (or at least one guy did i dont read posts ffs), the genesis games were about multiple routes with tons of little hidden shit all over the place (the invincibility tv at the start of s1 green hill act 3, or the sneakers hidden at the start of s3 angel island act 1, for instance)

not going to the right really fast and running through lines after lines of rings.

so no, it doesnt look like the originals on steroids. it looks like the gba games on steroids, or sonic adventure from a side view.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: UPRC on March 24, 2008, 04:37:36 pm
Quote from: Jester on March 24, 2008, 04:35:05 pm
but.. it doesnt look like the genesis games. like i said and a bunch of people agreed (or at least one guy did i dont read posts ffs), the genesis games were about multiple routes with tons of little hidden shit all over the place (the invincibility tv at the start of s1 green hill act 3, or the sneakers hidden at the start of s3 angel island act 1, for instance)

not going to the right really fast and running through lines after lines of rings.

so no, it doesnt look like the originals on steroids. it looks like the gba games on steroids, or sonic adventure from a side view.

Agreed, it looks far more linear than the old Sonic games. This isn't like Mario though, it is more like.. I don't know, the old Crash Bandicoot games?

If the levels at least BRANCH then that might be sort of okay, but a straight level left to right which might CURVE A LITTLE is not very Sonic-esque and gives the impression that Sega just wants to appeal to the "lol sonic are fast!" crowd.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Jester on March 24, 2008, 04:41:23 pm
well theyve been doing that since the gba games started.

i think they have actually forgotten the genesis games. whenever they talk about GOING BACK TO THEIR ROOTS it always looks like the gba games. like that one on ds they said was going back to their roots and it was just a gba sonic on 2 screens.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Kaworu on March 24, 2008, 04:46:26 pm
Yeah after Sonic 3D blast and the failed sonic extreme, sega must've thought "He's a fast hedgehog... lets make the games about being really really fast!" and they've basically ignored [n]everything[/b] that made Sonic games good. The level designs became linear and more cliche/unoriginal, the enemies became fewer and less imaginative, the scripted sequences and set-up stunts often ended up taking control over levels instead of being one-off moments. There hasn't been a truely good Sonic game since Sonic and Knuckles. Sonic advance are playable, but they don't have the level design or enough badnicks/puzzles. They have obsticles but... it sucks. I am such a huge fan of the 90's Sonic games, but I really can't like any made from adventure onwards.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Jester on March 24, 2008, 04:50:48 pm
the best part about the later 2d sonics are how all the bosses are exactly the fucking same
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Liman on March 24, 2008, 05:40:43 pm
Let's all admit it: Sonic were meant for 2D... the concept doesn't work in 3D. Although, it's nice to see that they are at least trying to make it a 2D platform (in a 3D world)... better than the last shitty games over the year.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Ragnar on March 24, 2008, 06:00:58 pm
I think it actually looks good - but then again I probably won't play it either but it's not like REPULSING to look at so it's a start

but the werewolf thing sounds bad

and they should do realism except some person transforms into sonic and he's like AWW SHIT NOW MY EYES ARE ATTACHED TO EACH OTHER THIS IS THE WORST PAIN EVER
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Kaworu on March 24, 2008, 06:56:41 pm
This is what I see when I am on a bad acid trip.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: big ass skelly on March 24, 2008, 07:04:35 pm
Jesus christ kaworu.


That is so xtreme
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: EvilDemonCreature on March 24, 2008, 07:49:38 pm
Heh. When I first heard "re-invent Sonic" and "werewolf" while waiting for the video to load, I was expecting some kind of alternate dimension thing like they did with the Megaman series... Except about a kid who turns into a hedgehog.

But wow. This looks like it's going to do for Sonic what Super Mario 64 did for Mario.

Gee, I hope this doesn't mean the upcoming Mario title is going to do for Mario what Sonic Adventure did for Sonic.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Raimiette on March 24, 2008, 10:10:04 pm
To me it looks like the same gameplay as in Sonic and the Secret Rings for the Wii...which was awful...therefore I'm not going to get my hopes up for this one.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Iaman on March 24, 2008, 10:52:49 pm
This is looking like it should be pretty awesome.  I cannot wait to see this completed and hear some reviews/play it.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Eltee on March 25, 2008, 10:54:23 am
This is looking like the same old fucking crap they have been feeding people since Sonic Adventure. Fuck you Sega, I hate you.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Tau on March 25, 2008, 11:37:05 am
Looks like the old school games gameplay.. in 3D!! Finally haha, Sonic 2 is one of my favorite games, fucken SEGA, never listening.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Liman on March 25, 2008, 12:41:38 pm
By the way,
Why does Sega feel it's important to have a story in the Sonic games? The game on 360 with the chick was just awful. Sonic is just like Mario in a way: The games had a really simple idea and plot: Complete the course, collect rings/money and defeat Robotnik/Koopa at the end of the level. At least Nintendo used a similar formula with Mario 64 and Galaxy (I think).
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: darkjak951 on March 25, 2008, 03:22:48 pm
Quote from: Kaworu on March 24, 2008, 04:46:26 pm
Yeah after Sonic 3D blast and the failed sonic extreme, sega must've thought "He's a fast hedgehog... lets make the games about being really really fast!" and they've basically ignored [n]everything[/b] that made Sonic games good. The level designs became linear and more cliche/unoriginal, the enemies became fewer and less imaginative, the scripted sequences and set-up stunts often ended up taking control over levels instead of being one-off moments. There hasn't been a truely good Sonic game since Sonic and Knuckles. Sonic advance are playable, but they don't have the level design or enough badnicks/puzzles. They have obsticles but... it sucks. I am such a huge fan of the 90's Sonic games, but I really can't like any made from adventure onwards.

all good points, though sonic rush adventure sorta bought the old roots back(cept for ocean travel >.<) explore-wise and puzzle-wise
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Dale Gobbler on March 25, 2008, 04:50:18 pm
This doesn't look half bad, and I like the fact that they reverted back to side-scrolling for the most part. Maybe they do have alternate routes and stuff still in it.

Oh wait, werewolf.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Pasty on March 26, 2008, 08:26:30 pm
Hey, SEGA filed a copyright claim in an attempt to make all the media about this game disappear.  To reiterate, it's an actual leak, not HOHO WE SAID THE INFO WAS COMPROMISED BUT ITS REALLY NOT.  This is NDA-breaking shit.  They apparently weren't allowed to let anyone know this game existed until May.  The dudes responsible for this are as good as fired, probably.  That's why you're not seeing the video anymore.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Pasty on March 26, 2008, 08:58:51 pm
What difference does it make if people are genuinely excited about it?  It doesn't make any difference.  I'm just putting this information out.  Don't care all you want.  I could spout some bullshit about how it's only a leaked build and that it hasn't been polished to a certain level, but at least this leak is honest.  SEGA hasn't had time to gussy it up with extraneous shit that doesn't matter, like poses of Sonic pointing at the camera *you're mine joker*
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Sludgelord on March 26, 2008, 09:09:17 pm
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: darkjak951 on March 26, 2008, 09:15:36 pm
Quote from: dogchode69 on March 26, 2008, 09:09:17 pm

LOLOLOLOL!
certinly, it DOES look like it has great graphics but that was the same case with STH on the 360 and PS3, hopefully we can rest in knowing that this won't be a bust :)
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Kaworu on March 26, 2008, 10:40:13 pm
Graphics are the most important part of the Sonic games.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Ragnar on March 26, 2008, 11:47:00 pm
Quote from: Kaworu on March 24, 2008, 06:56:41 pm
This is what I see when I am on a bad acid trip.

wow I didn't know they moved up to 5D GAMING
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: theHunter on March 27, 2008, 12:02:11 am
5D? What the hell? I didnt even get to see 4D! Sony told me 4D! T_T
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Ragnar on March 27, 2008, 12:22:25 am
Actually we do have 4D games already

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgbcHZHEqSQ
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Grin Tree on March 27, 2008, 06:33:06 am
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Sonic on the other hand NEEDS his traditional "hip and cool" setting. Werewolf.. Man.. Hahahaha!!!!

If anything, what Sega is trying to do now is make Sonic "hip and cool".  I've always hated the redesigned version of Sonic as well as his voice actor and I'M A FASK JERK attitude.  I seriously hope that he gets redesigned again some time and that that it's closer to his Sonic 2 or 3 appearance.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Wina on March 27, 2008, 07:01:15 am
I'm hoping this works out. Looks real beautiful actually but if it ends up a bust -- I'll just entertain myself with the music from the game as usual.

However I did read somewhere that Sega said the following: "rebuild the Sonic brand and prove it could work in 3D environments." But they say it's just Sonic, Tails and Knuckles in this so it seems like they're stripping down quite a few things...taking out Shadow? Taking out Shadow!? I hope this does reclaim some of that S3&K glory...still, was the guy who "came up" with the wolf idea playing Twilight Princess at the time? Like I said, I hope.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Jester on March 27, 2008, 08:09:55 am
Quote from: Grin Tree on March 27, 2008, 06:33:06 am
If anything, what Sega is trying to do now is make Sonic "hip and cool".  I've always hated the redesigned version of Sonic as well as his voice actor and I'M A FASK JERK attitude.  I seriously hope that he gets redesigned again some time and that that it's closer to his Sonic 2 or 3 appearance.
Nah, all they did was update his cool. He was always "cool", it's just back in the 90s being cool was muchos different than it is now.

Little kids today probably like his attitude, just like we did when we were little. Kinda lame, but that's the way growing up goes.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: EvilDemonCreature on March 27, 2008, 07:31:18 pm
I always found the whole persona Sonic potrayed as funny (even in the first games, but especially now) just because his visual design is a derivative of Mickey Mouse.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Leric on March 29, 2008, 01:14:38 am
Quote from: Jester on March 24, 2008, 04:35:05 pm
but.. it doesnt look like the genesis games. like i said and a bunch of people agreed (or at least one guy did i dont read posts ffs), the genesis games were about multiple routes with tons of little hidden shit all over the place (the invincibility tv at the start of s1 green hill act 3, or the sneakers hidden at the start of s3 angel island act 1, for instance)

not going to the right really fast and running through lines after lines of rings.

so no, it doesnt look like the originals on steroids. it looks like the gba games on steroids, or sonic adventure from a side view.
Being a person who loved the Genesis/Megadrive Sonic games (in my opinion Sonic Adventure 2 was the last Sonic game worth playing) but hated the GBA Sonic games (never played the DS games) that's the same thing I thought at first, that this game looked like it would just be a press right fest like the GBA games. But after watching the video again I've noticed these alternate paths on lower levels or in the background (such as in the tree part you can see another path with a spring and some flamethrowers coming from the floor). If you've played Toomba 1 and 2 or Klonoa 1 and 2 you'll know that multiple paths and secrets are something that are very possible (even more so than in a standard 2D game) in a side-scrolling 3D game. The question is though will Sega make this game to the full potential of what it could be? Somehow I doubt it.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: the bloddy ghost on March 29, 2008, 01:32:36 am
Jazz Jackrabbit was always cooler than sonic the hedgehog for me.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Kaworu on March 29, 2008, 12:18:22 pm
Wut, Sonic adventure 2 was way past bad. The sonic levels were essentially a straight line, the knuckles/rouge levels resembled deathmatch arenas than actual game levels (yay big open spaces to dig/show off tits) and the less said about Tails... the better! The story was trash, Chaos become moreso annoying.
Plus the whole bullshit about a certain cliche, totally unoriginal, uninteresting and unfun negro hedgehog.
Sonic adventure was better than adventure 2... but sa is prettybad also!
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: GameMX on March 31, 2008, 01:24:14 pm
While the GRAPHIXXXXXX look good, this sounds like its gonna be another horrible disappointment. Whatever happen to those days, with Sonic 3 and the LOCK-ON TECHNOLOGY (THE TECHOLOGY FOR THE FUTURE! OF THE PAST!) with Sonic & Knuckles, I loved that game...

Now things have been gay'd up to fuck, and not the good type of gay too  :shh: . God damn it Sega, why must you fuck everything up? Shadow the Hedgehog was -ok-. Silver the Hedgehog was shit. WEREWOLF SONICZ is now going too far. Like the Dreamcast, good thing going, lets fuck it up (Bad Marketing).

The last good Sonic game I truely played that I enjoy completely was Knuckles Chaotix for the 32X, Sonic Adventure 2 (Battle) was good, but eh. Also the 32X was SEGA's first and worst failure fyi. Only sold 200,000 units estimated. V-Boy sold 750,000 estimated and that shit gave you health problems! Joys!

EDIT:

Just incase you never heard of Knuckles Chaotix cause of how bad the 32X was on being a failure,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knuckles_Chaotix
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: hero_bash on April 01, 2008, 06:07:48 pm
I don't see a reason to complain about the game yet.. So what if he can transform to a wolf.
I am also a SOnic fan, first game I played since I was a child is Sonic 1... He's my childhood hero.

But anyway, I liked the video and I am giving all my hopes to this release. I think they learned from the mistakes they made from other past versions..
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Dale Gobbler on April 01, 2008, 07:19:59 pm
I guess it couldn't be any worse than when Link turns into a wolf in Twilight Princess. No, it'll probably be much worse. :(
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: HL on April 04, 2008, 04:27:36 am
http://spindash.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=461&Itemid=582

New vid


Apparentally the game is going to have MELEE COMBAT (prolly werewolf sonic) but the interesting part is there is points in that vid where you can see alternate paths, especially on the 2nd stage part, there is a divergence in the pathing.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Dale Gobbler on April 08, 2008, 07:31:54 pm
Here's another commercial(?) for it. A little teaser of Sonic's arm turning into the werehog.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zSw4lCjJBe8&feature=bz303
In case you want to see the comments.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Jester on April 08, 2008, 08:11:50 pm
rofl, what an awful teaser. no one is looking forward to the werewolf thing, at all, no one, and it's the one thing they are playing up. nice.

you know, after watching that video dn just linked, i dont even know what i hate about this game anymore. i think i have just lost all faith in the sonic franchise. i dont know what i dislike about the video, but.. it's.. everything.

and the fucking rails, those were the worst idea ever and THEY ARE BACK HOORAY TERRIBLE CONTROL SEGMENTS WHERE YOU CAN DIE REALLY EASILY

also the alternate paths look like they did in sonic adventure 2, ie worthless and they join back up with the main on-rails segment after a flashy loop de loop woo. i want secret passages and shit that actually reward you for finding them.

i wonder how many dinosaur levels will be in this one
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: theHunter on April 08, 2008, 08:27:14 pm
Quote from: Aztec on April 08, 2008, 07:31:54 pm
Here's another commercial(?) for it. A little teaser of Sonic's arm turning into the werehog.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zSw4lCjJBe8&feature=bz303
In case you want to see the comments.

One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Bondo on April 12, 2008, 12:40:29 pm
I don't know what all the hate is about.  From what I've seen, it looks promising.  Though, I do agree, Sega COULD fuck it up, but I have high hopes that they won't.

People on the internet are like puppies.  If you feed and pet a puppy, it's happy to see you!  If you kick a puppy, it growls and hides from you.  If you try to pet a puppy AFTER you kicked it, it's not going to be sure about you, and despite your good intentions, it'll probably not like you anyway.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Jester on April 12, 2008, 01:17:46 pm
Quote from: Bondo on April 12, 2008, 12:40:29 pm
I don't know what all the hate is about.  From what I've seen, it looks promising.  Though, I do agree, Sega COULD fuck it up, but I have high hopes that they won't.

People on the internet are like puppies.  If you feed and pet a puppy, it's happy to see you!  If you kick a puppy, it growls and hides from you.  If you try to pet a puppy AFTER you kicked it, it's not going to be sure about you, and despite your good intentions, it'll probably not like you anyway.
or maybe, right, people think it just looks like the on-rails sections of sonic adventure/2 but from a side view point, and think the werewolf thing is stupid?

 i mean, you could be right, but it could go either way.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: darkjak951 on April 13, 2008, 01:37:26 am
Quote from: Kaworu on March 29, 2008, 12:18:22 pm
Wut, Sonic adventure 2 was way past bad. The sonic levels were essentially a straight line, the knuckles/rouge levels resembled deathmatch arenas than actual game levels (yay big open spaces to dig/show off tits) and the less said about Tails... the better! The story was trash, Chaos become moreso annoying.
Plus the whole bullshit about a certain cliche, totally unoriginal, uninteresting and unfun negro hedgehog.
Sonic adventure was better than adventure 2... but sa is prettybad also!

chaos was not in SA2's story but was playable in multiplayer in SA2:Battle on the gcn
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Parker on April 13, 2008, 02:43:51 am
This game looks terrible... :(
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Marcus on April 13, 2008, 03:54:02 am
I don't know how many of you read the Sonic comic series but it got a new writer who retconned all the AWFUL and made it mid-90s pre-Knuckles-fanboy-bullshit good.  Maybe SEGA that karma will carry on to SEGA's game... with Sonic the Werewolf.

Atleast we can count on Bioware's game...
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: HL on April 13, 2008, 04:10:27 am
Quote
I don't know what all the hate is about.  From what I've seen, it looks promising.  Though, I do agree, Sega COULD fuck it up, but I have high hopes that they won't.

Kind of like how Sega could of fucked up the past 5 Sonic games, but you had high hopes that they wouldn't, but they did.


:/
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Bondo on April 13, 2008, 04:18:19 am
Quote from: handsome lamb on April 13, 2008, 04:10:27 am
Kind of like how Sega could of fucked up the past 5 Sonic games, but you had high hopes that they wouldn't, but they did.


:/

Yeah, pretty much.  Doesn't hurt to dream though.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Dale Gobbler on April 13, 2008, 05:08:54 am
I just hate how they keep changing Sonic.

Marketing:"Hey, how can we market Sonic to kids who didn't grow up with him?"
Idiot 1:"Maek him mor badass and dramamatic.
Idiot 2:"WAAAAARRREEEWOOOLLLLFFFFF!!"
Marketing:"K. Now let's think about taking him to... the next level."
Asskisser 1:"...the next level. I'll tie that in to the next teaser."
Marketing:"I have a great idea! Since we're going to make Sonic turn into a werewolf, let's go ahead and turn Tails, Kuckles, and Robotnik into werewolves."

I had an mspaint picture to go with it, but decided against it.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Mirthless on April 13, 2008, 10:17:13 am
Quote from: angry black man on April 13, 2008, 03:54:02 am
I don't know how many of you read the Sonic comic series but it got a new writer who retconned all the AWFUL and made it mid-90s pre-Knuckles-fanboy-bullshit good.  Maybe SEGA that karma will carry on to SEGA's game... with Sonic the Werewolf.

Atleast we can count on Bioware's game...
Interesting. Comic series wtf where?
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Marcus on April 13, 2008, 10:33:50 am
Quote from: Mirthless on April 13, 2008, 10:17:13 am
Interesting. Comic series wtf where?

The Archie series which has been in print for the last 15 years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_%28comic_series%29).

Once Sonic hit the Saturn he started sucking terribly what with 3D Blast and that Sonic R with legendary homicidal Tails Doll.  Sonic Adventure was sort of a revival for me but it still lacked classic Sonic charm.  Once Sega shat out that Mario Party ripoff game Sonic pretty much turned into a giant turd.

The comic series is pretty on and off but it's surprisingly decent and does some justice to all the whacky and insane plot lines SEGA tries to throw into the games.  It's kind of funny to think that a bunch of Americans with no affiliation to SEGA are actually capable of producing better media than the guys who originally created it. 
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Aten on April 13, 2008, 08:09:15 pm
I was just playing Sonic Rivals on the PSP, and it was 2D gameplay in 3D world. It was pretty good, so if this is going to be like that, then I don't see a problem.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: HL on April 14, 2008, 03:12:51 am
sonic rivals was really really bad.

i9 hope to god it isnt like that

like dont get me wrong it was like the best sonic in some years but

not saying much
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: Aten on April 14, 2008, 03:17:47 am
Quote from: handsome lamb on April 14, 2008, 03:12:51 am
sonic rivals was really really bad.

Fuck now I'm agreeing. Its REALLY bad. Like, why the fuck can't you play the game at your own pace? This is like, fucking SONIC RACING instead of a normal Sonic game. Fuck you Sega.
Title: New console 2D Sonic game in the works
Post by: GameMX on April 14, 2008, 11:49:40 am
Quote from: Bondo on April 13, 2008, 04:18:19 am
Yeah, pretty much.  Doesn't hurt to dream though.

I miss those days...

Just like how I miss mah donkey...